The "New Album" Thread. Thanks to the long ass thread, I’m going home!

[Sweersa]

6 minutes ago, Free Bird said:

Not THE reason but probably A reason. That’s why they use the old drum takes

I've also heard Axl valued Chris Pitman in the band due to his prowess in the studio. 

I like Brain's drums, but also feel Frank played well on the parts he did in If The World. 

[fabrph5]

17 hours ago, Blackstar said:

Well, I listened to both Eddie Trunk shows from last Monday, and when I finally got to the very end of the second one I heard Eddie Trunk say that.... but he was talking about L.A. Guns, not GN'R (he had Tracii Guns on)

*

So, everybody, nothing to see here...

Maybe that was it, As ive stated 8 times now, SHE heard, not ,me

[Ratam]

2 hours ago, Sweersa said:

Frank and Melissa?  

[2020_Intensions]

7 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

Slash never said 4-6 songs. He definitely suggested they could compile the songs into an album later. Do I need to post the quotes for you? 

They don't have an album as in a finished product ready to be released tomorrow. They have the songs to go on an album. And yes, they clearly can drip feed these songs, because that's what they are doing, and then - as Slash said - they might compile them onto an album later.

You think Susan lied about an album to fool dumbasses like me? Why would she do that? Explain her motives for wanted to fool unknown fans and risk the ire of the band and Duff for lying about their business? I am really curious to hear more about how you make this seem a more reasonable explanation than simply that she was right but that things haven't come out yet.

The reason why we don't have an album seems definitely to be that they haven't been able to release it yet, which in itself has many explanations most of which lie with Axl.

Anyway, why do you get so emotional about this? Are you pissed because someone handles the situation much better than you? Does it bother you that you get so whiny about this and I am so cool with it? 

I've addressed all of this too many times to count over the past few years. Slash said they already released two songs, and the plan was to release another 1-2 songs and then another 1-2 songs. And then that would be all of it. Then they would possibly compile that into an album. That's where 4-6 comes from. Also, you're a condescending prick. 

[SoulMonster]

6 minutes ago, 2020_Intensions said:

I've addressed all of this too many times to count over the past few years. Slash said they already released two songs, and the plan was to release another 1-2 songs and then another 1-2 songs. And then that would be all of it. Then they would possibly compile that into an album. That's where 4-6 comes from. Also, you're a condescending prick. 

You are conflating things Slash said. He said different things at different times, basically contradicting himself. Or, perhaps he is just a bit sloppy when talking about these things and not so concerned over it. Regardless, the first quote from him indicated they had enough songs recorded to make an album. This aligns with what Axl has said, it aligns with what Susan said, it aligned with what Fernardo said. It all adds up. And it still adds up no matter how badly you deal with my condescending tone. You just end up coming across as some guy not able to deal with either facts nor pushback. 

And hey, explain again how you arrive at the conclusion that Susan has decided to troll the fanbase for shits and giggles despite how that reflects on her husband and his band. I am still really curious about how you rationalize such a ridiculous interpretation.

[Free Bird]

2 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

You are conflating things Slash said. He said different things at different times, basically contradicting himself. Or, perhaps he is just a bit sloppy when talking about these things and not so concerned over it. Regardless, the first quote from him indicated they had enough songs recorded to make an album. This aligns with what Axl has said, it aligns with what Susan said, it aligned with what Fernardo said. It all adds up. And it still adds up no matter how badly you deal with my condescending tone. You just end up coming across as some guy not able to deal with either facts nor pushback. 

And hey, explain again how you arrive at the conclusion that Susan has decided to troll the fanbase for shits and giggles despite how that reflects on her husband and his band. I am still really curious about how you rationalize such a ridiculous interpretation.

They can talk about an album as long as they want. 5 years later and there’s still no album. Whoever believes those people talked shit has a point.
You know exactly what Slash said, still you’re cherrypicking his comments to present them as facts while ignoring the timeline. He talked about two released songs and another 2 one-two combos. Saying he never said “4-6 songs” is contentwise utterly bullshit. That’s simple math. Basically you rely to a drunk woman and to Fernando… enough said.

[2020_Intensions]

10 minutes ago, Free Bird said:

They can talk about an album as long as they want. 5 years later and there’s still no album. Whoever believes those people talked shit has a point.
You know exactly what Slash said, still you’re cherrypicking his comments to present them as facts while ignoring the timeline. He talked about two released songs and another 2 one-two combos. Saying he never said “4-6 songs” is contentwise utterly bullshit. That’s simple math. Basically you rely to a drunk woman and to Fernando… enough said.

Thank you ... I know I'm not alone here

[El Guapo]

Slash probably doesn't give a fuck since a long time anymore because he knows the whole "new record" thing is uninspired and basically going nowhere. Because, Axl.

 

[Rovim]

5 hours ago, Free Bird said:

They can talk about an album as long as they want. 5 years later and there’s still no album. Whoever believes those people talked shit has a point.
You know exactly what Slash said, still you’re cherrypicking his comments to present them as facts while ignoring the timeline. He talked about two released songs and another 2 one-two combos. Saying he never said “4-6 songs” is contentwise utterly bullshit. That’s simple math. Basically you rely to a drunk woman and to Fernando… enough said.

Susan checked with Duff getting his permission to share with the fans that Gn'R were working on an album. she had no reason to lie. the problem with sharing anything when it doesn't come from Axl and even if it does, is that Axl is known to reserve the right the change his mind constantly so until its out, you can never actually know it's definitely coming but I don't believe these people talked shit.

Slash has probably changed his position a few times on the matter for the same reason which is Axl has changed his mind. maybe they went with the singles approach after Axl wanted to release it another way, who knows.

when the leader of the band is Axl Rose and some band members and people who are close to the band share a piece of info it's always problematic for the reasons I've stated. doesn't mean they're lying and what Slash has said did happen and the fact is there is still the option for them to release more singles and compile it into an album.

[The Matinator]

Idk why this never gets brought up in these discussions but didn't the dude who recorded the original Monsters (then thought to be the General) cell phone clip say they played another unreleased song a that afterparty? Maybe I'm imagining thing but I could have sworn.

[Free Bird]

1 hour ago, Rovim said:

Susan checked with Duff getting his permission to share with the fans that Gn'R were working on an album. she had no reason to lie. the problem with sharing anything when it doesn't come from Axl and even if it does, is that Axl is known to reserve the right the change his mind constantly so until its out, you can never actually know it's definitely coming but I don't believe these people talked shit.

Slash has probably changed his position a few times on the matter for the same reason which is Axl has changed his mind. maybe they went with the singles approach after Axl wanted to release it another way, who knows.

when the leader of the band is Axl Rose and some band members and people who are close to the band share a piece of info it's always problematic for the reasons I've stated. doesn't mean they're lying and what Slash has said did happen and the fact is there is still the option for them to release more singles and compile it into an album.

Speculation.

When Axl Rose is responsible for your band then don’t share specific info like this.

[Rovim]

1 minute ago, Free Bird said:

Speculation.

When Axl Rose is responsible for your band then don’t share specific info like this.

specific info like what? what Fernando shared was dumb. what Susan shared was that they were working on an album. what Slash shared actually happened and personally I would rather know something compared to radio silence.

I get what you're saying though, and I think this is the reason why Axl is not talking, but without at least Slash and Duff talking about it we can't even make an educated guess as to what's happening, that sucks even more imho cause it's not like nothing is happening, at least we're getting something every couple of years or so.

 

[Free Bird]

7 minutes ago, Rovim said:

specific info like what? what Fernando shared was dumb. what Susan shared was that they were working on an album. what Slash shared actually happened and personally I would rather know something compared to radio silence.

I get what you're saying though, and I think this is the reason why Axl is not talking, but without at least Slash and Duff talking about it we can't even make an educated guess as to what's happening, that sucks even more imho cause it's not like nothing is happening, at least we're getting something every couple of years or so.

 

Well, to clarify… What Slash said happened so far… time frame aside. I believe what Duff says that “they want”, “have a desire” “working on new music”. I don’t believe they worked on new music with Axl but I believe each of them has written something with GUNS in mind and even worked on it in rehearsals maybe. Everything that comes from outside this circle is like hot air imo…

wasn’t Susan partying with her friend when she mentioned a new record years ago? Did Fernando mentioned a record at all? Wasn’t it more like “new music within 6 months”? Regardless he’s not anyone I we would rely on.

For the record: I don’t say they will never release a record again. But for the near future I don’t think we can expect more than Monsters and its b-side.

15 minutes ago, Rovim said:

specific info like what?

New album (half a decade ago) 

[Rovim]

2 minutes ago, Free Bird said:

Well, to clarify… What Slash said happened so far… time frame aside. I believe what Duff says that “they want”, “have a desire” “working on new music”. I don’t believe they worked on new music with Axl but I believe each of them has written something with GUNS in mind and even worked on it in rehearsals maybe. Everything that comes from outside this circle is like hot air imo…

wasn’t Susan partying with her friend when she mentioned a new record years ago? Did Fernando mentioned a record at all? Wasn’t it more like “new music within 6 months”? Regardless he’s not anyone I we would rely on.

For the record: I don’t say they will never release a record again. But for the near future I don’t think we can expect more than Monsters and its b-side.

Susan was partying with a friend before the reunion and the friend spilled the beans if I'm not mistaken. Fernando did mention an album, I also believed he just said new music within 6 months but that was incorrect. 

my guess is Susan was talking about Slash and Duff working on Axl's Chinese material, but who knows how many tunes exactly have they worked on until now.

if they don't have enough for a full album of Chinese tunes, they can always rework a few more tunes as I believe Axl has enough material with vocals for a full album including the NITL singles.

[SoulMonster]

7 hours ago, Free Bird said:

They can talk about an album as long as they want. 5 years later and there’s still no album. Whoever believes those people talked shit has a point.
You know exactly what Slash said, still you’re cherrypicking his comments to present them as facts while ignoring the timeline. He talked about two released songs and another 2 one-two combos. Saying he never said “4-6 songs” is contentwise utterly bullshit. That’s simple math. Basically you rely to a drunk woman and to Fernando… enough said.

Yes, I do know exactly what Slash said:

"There’s new Guns material coming out as we speak, and we’ll probably keep putting it out until the entire record’s worth of stuff is done and then put it out solid."

and:

"There’s a handful of those songs that we actually fixed up and did when we were in lockdown, so those have yet to be released. So those are gonna come out. They’re really good, too, so I’m excited for those. We’re just gonna put out, like, one or two songs, and another one or two songs. I think that’s gonna be pretty much all of them; I’m not sure exactly how many we did in total."

These two quotes can be interpreted different ways, from "they only recorded a few songs and he was wrong when he implied they could constitute an album" to "they recorded enough for an album but later he couldn't remember how many they were." And alternatively, "they only recorded up to max six songs but he expect to work on more so in the end they would have enough for an album."

"Relying on a drunk woman"? Susan was drunk when Brando interviewed her and hence she was lying about the band working on an album? Wow. And Fernando just lied about it because? That's what he does? 

Here's a uncrazy explanation of it all:

Slash and Duff were working on adding their parts to old CD era songs in 2019. Fernando couldn't help himself from saying this would result in an album in six months. I don't think the band ever planned a quick release, and they might not have had enough songs with Slash and Duff to constitute an entire album back then, either, yet Fernando might have thought so or thought about an EP when he talked about an album in six months. Again, one shouldn't credit to malice what is more easily explained by stupidity. The a few months later Susan mentioned they had been working on some "killer new stuff". I don't think she should be disregarded because she was "drunk", nor a "woman". The band then started to release singles, and we are currently up to four with Monsters likely also having been finalized and ready to go. 

[Free Bird]

1 hour ago, SoulMonster said:

Yes, I do know exactly what Slash said:

"There’s new Guns material coming out as we speak, and we’ll probably keep putting it out until the entire record’s worth of stuff is done and then put it out solid."

and:

"There’s a handful of those songs that we actually fixed up and did when we were in lockdown, so those have yet to be released. So those are gonna come out. They’re really good, too, so I’m excited for those. We’re just gonna put out, like, one or two songs, and another one or two songs. I think that’s gonna be pretty much all of them; I’m not sure exactly how many we did in total."

These two quotes can be interpreted different ways, from "they only recorded a few songs and he was wrong when he implied they could constitute an album" to "they recorded enough for an album but later he couldn't remember how many they were." And alternatively, "they only recorded up to max six songs but he expect to work on more so in the end they would have enough for an album."

"Relying on a drunk woman"? Susan was drunk when Brando interviewed her and hence she was lying about the band working on an album? Wow. And Fernando just lied about it because? That's what he does? 

Here's a uncrazy explanation of it all:

Slash and Duff were working on adding their parts to old CD era songs in 2019. Fernando couldn't help himself from saying this would result in an album in six months. I don't think the band ever planned a quick release, and they might not have had enough songs with Slash and Duff to constitute an entire album back then, either, yet Fernando might have thought so or thought about an EP when he talked about an album in six months. Again, one shouldn't credit to malice what is more easily explained by stupidity. The a few months later Susan mentioned they had been working on some "killer new stuff". I don't think she should be disregarded because she was "drunk", nor a "woman". The band then started to release singles, and we are currently up to four with Monsters likely also having been finalized and ready to go. 

I didn’t disregard her because she’s a woman. That would be stupid. And I don’t remember she was interviewed by Brando. I’m remembering a situation where she was partying with a friend, shouting something about a new record. Maybe it was her friend and not her. I didn’t take it seriously and half a decade later I can say I wasn’t wrong. When she talked about “killer new stuff”, didn’t everybody thought about a new record? And didn’t Slash later stated they hadn’t work on “new” music at all? Rehashing 20 years old songs isn’t exactly “new stuff” imo…

I can see you in 2030 still trying to convince everybody that there’s a new record waiting to be released, using the same old statements. 

 

 

[jamillos]

I believe they may also be working on new music, as Duff said, but this "they" probably mean just Slash with Duff (+ possibly Richard or whoever). And until a certain singer joins in, we know what all this is worth...

[Free Bird]

2 hours ago, Rovim said:

Susan was partying with a friend before the reunion and the friend spilled the beans if I'm not mistaken. Fernando did mention an album, I also believed he just said new music within 6 months but that was incorrect. 

my guess is Susan was talking about Slash and Duff working on Axl's Chinese material, but who knows how many tunes exactly have they worked on until now.

if they don't have enough for a full album of Chinese tunes, they can always rework a few more tunes as I believe Axl has enough material with vocals for a full album including the NITL singles.

We all know what they could, question is what they’ll do. I respect you for being that perennial but how someone can think it’s strange that people stopped believing in new music by this band considering Axl’s track record is beyond my understanding. As long as no new record is coming out, either written from scratch, or full of left overs, the people who express their doubts, have every right to do so.

[SoulMonster]

21 minutes ago, Free Bird said:

I didn’t disregard her because she’s a woman. That would be stupid. And I don’t remember she was interviewed by Brando. I’m remembering a situation where she was partying with a friend, shouting something about a new record. Maybe it was her friend and not her. I didn’t take it seriously and half a decade later I can say I wasn’t wrong. When she talked about “killer new stuff”, didn’t everybody thought about a new record? And didn’t Slash later stated they hadn’t work on “new” music at all? Rehashing 20 years old songs isn’t exactly “new stuff” imo…

I can see you in 2030 still trying to convince everybody that there’s a new record waiting to be released, using the same old statements. 

I guess that to Susan it probably was "new stuff". Keep in mind that although the songs are old, to the public they are still new, if you get my meaning. 

I don't think I have ever claimed a new record is "waiting to be released". As I stated earlier, I think they have the songs ready, and I think they have for quite a while. But a bunch of songs doesn't make an album. An album is songs and cover art, it is thank yous and lyrics, packaging, distribution agreements, marketing plans, etc etc. Of course they could just put it out on Spotify and be finished with it, but I don't think that is what Axl wants. We'll see.

As for taking comments on albums seriously: I think we should be a little bit more sophisticated than taking anything literally and at face value or disregard everything from some conspiracy theory that they deliberately lie and conceive us. I think Susan thought they were working on a new album, and she might or might not have thought it would come out in a...timely fashion. I don't know if she indicated any timelines at all. But referring to it as "killer new stuff" isn't wrong, in my opinion, although it likely was - and she knew - old songs reworked on into new music that had not been released before. With Fernando we can allow ourselves to be more critical, he is a manager after all. His "six months" was unprofessional considering that he should know better than to make any such off-hand promises. Still, it does indicate they were working on music and perhaps that they intended to release an album, and maybe even fairly quickly. Still we know better than Fernando, we know that you can always add up to 10 years on any GN'R plan. We know that because we have been around for a while. Fernando should know better. But deliberately lying to us for shits and giggles? Nah, that's silly. Sometimes people are just wrong because they are wrong, and not out to get us.

[SoulMonster]

5 minutes ago, Free Bird said:

We all know what they could, question is what they’ll do. I respect you for being that perennial but how someone can think it’s strange that people stopped believing in new music by this band considering Axl’s track record is beyond my understanding. As long as no new record is coming out, either written from scratch, or full of left overs, the people who express their doubts, have every right to do so.

No one is stating that people don't have the right to be doubtful about new music ever coming out  Why do you even say such a thing?

The question here wasn't whether we would get a new album, or whether it could contain new-new or CD era music, but the amount of music that Slash and Duff had worked on. My argument was that it was likely enough for an album, the other argument was that it wasn't. I argued why I think there is enough, the other person argued why he thought otherwise.

It is ENTIRELY legit to doubt we will ever get a new album, of old songs or new songs. Of course it is  We are talking about GN'R here, after all. I find that view way too pessimistic, though, considering that everybody has stated their desire to release an album, the songs are obviously there (although Slash and Duff might have to add their parts to additional songs if they are going to be on them), and their plan of trickle feeding singles seems to be happening. The only argument I can see against a new album at some point is that things take so much time and it might simply be running out for them. Everything else is fans who can't deal with the slowness and go a bit silly. 

[Free Bird]

23 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

I guess that to Susan it probably was "new stuff". Keep in mind that although the songs are old, to the public they are still new, if you get my meaning. 

I don't think I have ever claimed a new record is "waiting to be released". As I stated earlier, I think they have the songs ready, and I think they have for quite a while. But a bunch of songs doesn't make an album. An album is songs and cover art, it is thank yous and lyrics, packaging, distribution agreements, marketing plans, etc etc. Of course they could just put it out on Spotify and be finished with it, but I don't think that is what Axl wants. We'll see.

As for taking comments on albums seriously: I think we should be a little bit more sophisticated than taking anything literally and at face value or disregard everything from some conspiracy theory that they deliberately lie and conceive us. I think Susan thought they were working on a new album, and she might or might not have thought it would come out in a...timely fashion. I don't know if she indicated any timelines at all. But referring to it as "killer new stuff" isn't wrong, in my opinion, although it likely was - and she knew - old songs reworked on into new music that had not been released before. With Fernando we can allow ourselves to be more critical, he is a manager after all. His "six months" was unprofessional considering that he should know better than to make any such off-hand promises. Still, it does indicate they were working on music and perhaps that they intended to release an album, and maybe even fairly quickly. Still we know better than Fernando, we know that you can always add up to 10 years on any GN'R plan. We know that because we have been around for a while. Fernando should know better. But deliberately lying to us for shits and giggles? Nah, that's silly. Sometimes people are just wrong because they are wrong, and not out to get us.

I don’t disagree with that but I never stated Fernando lied deliberately. I don’t care why he said what he said but it’s a fact that he was wrong.

[Blackstar]

1 hour ago, Free Bird said:

I didn’t disregard her because she’s a woman. That would be stupid. And I don’t remember she was interviewed by Brando. I’m remembering a situation where she was partying with a friend, shouting something about a new record. Maybe it was her friend and not her. I didn’t take it seriously and half a decade later I can say I wasn’t wrong. When she talked about “killer new stuff”, didn’t everybody thought about a new record? And didn’t Slash later stated they hadn’t work on “new” music at all? Rehashing 20 years old songs isn’t exactly “new stuff” imo…

I can see you in 2030 still trying to convince everybody that there’s a new record waiting to be released, using the same old statements.

Regarding Susan, it's two different situations. The partying with her friend one was in 2015 amidst reunion rumours, where her friend actually confirmed them:

https://www.a-4-d.com/t7638-2015-11-11-guitar-world-friend-of-duff-mckagans-wife-guns-n-roses-are-coming-back-mfers

The talk about recording new stuff was in April 2020 when she was interviewed by Brando:

https://www.a-4-d.com/t8455-2020-04-27-appetite-for-distortion-susan-holmes-mckagan-talks-books-family-and-new-gnr

[Blackstar]

As for Fernando's "6 months" statement, I think it's simple: when he made that comment (in September 2019) there was a world tour announced for 2020 (which was scheduled to begin in March 2020). Fernando knew that Slash and Duff had already started laying tracks on CD era songs and probably that there was a plan to release, if not an album, some of that stuff during the 2020 tour.

But then the tour was cancelled because of Covid.

Edited November 5, 2024 by Blackstar

[SoulMonster]

19 minutes ago, Free Bird said:

I don’t disagree with that but I never stated Fernando lied deliberately. I don’t care why he said what he said but it’s a fact that he was wrong.

No, I know, I was referring to the ongoing discussion where someone refused to accept that Fernando simply could be wrong. They seemed to think he had deliberately lied to us, without detailing why Fernando would do such a thing. have paraphrased Hanlon's razor two or three times earlier in this discussion and I will quote it properly now: 

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

And again, this is not a comment to you, @Free Bird, but that previous discussion and that previous argument by someone else.

People criticize me for always sticking up for Team Brazil, and occasionally I do when I feel they get unwarranted criticism, but that comment from Fernando was directly wrong and he shouldn't have made it, he should have known better, we knew better. He has had a tendency to stick his foot in his mouth. He should use professionals channels for communication (not Reddit), he should be professional in how he phrases his communication as befits his position, and he should be extremely careful about making any promises or suggestions about what is to come unless it is set in stone. Hopefully he has learnt from his mistakes, he certainly seems to have taken a less communicative approach. 

[jamillos]

The thing is, Merchnando lacks not only professionalism – i.e. he shouldn’t make such public statements when he’s not sure it’s backed up with facts, especially Axl having laid down most of the vocals etc., knowing perfectly well that since he’s the official band manager, that statement will be quoted across the internet and read by thousands of people – but also some common courtesy, i.e. addressing such statement a year or two later, saying just a few simple sentences, like 'hey guys, sorry, plans changed, can’t tell you much here, but some stuff happened and hopefully xyz... anyway, we’ll let you know as soon as we can tell you something new' etc. You know? Just basics. No hard disclosures, dates, promises or anything. Decency, humbleness (especially from someone who lives off other people’s talent and their fans’ money). But that would require some basic communication skills and human qualities, in addition to just booking the same old shows and arranging merchandize. 
Well, I guess he’s too busy working out responses to sexual predatory lawsuits. 

GN’R. The only mega famous rock n’ roll band with incompetent management and a weird family flock following the singer at every step!

Edited November 5, 2024 by jamillos