The "New Album" Thread. Thanks to the long ass thread, I’m going home!

[Blackstar]

1 hour ago, Free Bird said:

I didn’t disregard her because she’s a woman. That would be stupid. And I don’t remember she was interviewed by Brando. I’m remembering a situation where she was partying with a friend, shouting something about a new record. Maybe it was her friend and not her. I didn’t take it seriously and half a decade later I can say I wasn’t wrong. When she talked about “killer new stuff”, didn’t everybody thought about a new record? And didn’t Slash later stated they hadn’t work on “new” music at all? Rehashing 20 years old songs isn’t exactly “new stuff” imo…

I can see you in 2030 still trying to convince everybody that there’s a new record waiting to be released, using the same old statements.

Regarding Susan, it's two different situations. The partying with her friend one was in 2015 amidst reunion rumours, where her friend actually confirmed them:

https://www.a-4-d.com/t7638-2015-11-11-guitar-world-friend-of-duff-mckagans-wife-guns-n-roses-are-coming-back-mfers

The talk about recording new stuff was in April 2020 when she was interviewed by Brando:

https://www.a-4-d.com/t8455-2020-04-27-appetite-for-distortion-susan-holmes-mckagan-talks-books-family-and-new-gnr

[Blackstar]

As for Fernando's "6 months" statement, I think it's simple: when he made that comment (in September 2019) there was a world tour announced for 2020 (which was scheduled to begin in March 2020). Fernando knew that Slash and Duff had already started laying tracks on CD era songs and probably that there was a plan to release, if not an album, some of that stuff during the 2020 tour.

But then the tour was cancelled because of Covid.

Edited November 5 by Blackstar

[SoulMonster]

19 minutes ago, Free Bird said:

I don’t disagree with that but I never stated Fernando lied deliberately. I don’t care why he said what he said but it’s a fact that he was wrong.

No, I know, I was referring to the ongoing discussion where someone refused to accept that Fernando simply could be wrong. They seemed to think he had deliberately lied to us, without detailing why Fernando would do such a thing. have paraphrased Hanlon's razor two or three times earlier in this discussion and I will quote it properly now: 

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

And again, this is not a comment to you, @Free Bird, but that previous discussion and that previous argument by someone else.

People criticize me for always sticking up for Team Brazil, and occasionally I do when I feel they get unwarranted criticism, but that comment from Fernando was directly wrong and he shouldn't have made it, he should have known better, we knew better. He has had a tendency to stick his foot in his mouth. He should use professionals channels for communication (not Reddit), he should be professional in how he phrases his communication as befits his position, and he should be extremely careful about making any promises or suggestions about what is to come unless it is set in stone. Hopefully he has learnt from his mistakes, he certainly seems to have taken a less communicative approach. 

[jamillos]

The thing is, Merchnando lacks not only professionalism – i.e. he shouldn’t make such public statements when he’s not sure it’s backed up with facts, especially Axl having laid down most of the vocals etc., knowing perfectly well that since he’s the official band manager, that statement will be quoted across the internet and read by thousands of people – but also some common courtesy, i.e. addressing such statement a year or two later, saying just a few simple sentences, like 'hey guys, sorry, plans changed, can’t tell you much here, but some stuff happened and hopefully xyz... anyway, we’ll let you know as soon as we can tell you something new' etc. You know? Just basics. No hard disclosures, dates, promises or anything. Decency, humbleness (especially from someone who lives off other people’s talent and their fans’ money). But that would require some basic communication skills and human qualities, in addition to just booking the same old shows and arranging merchandize. 
Well, I guess he’s too busy working out responses to sexual predatory lawsuits. 

GN’R. The only mega famous rock n’ roll band with incompetent management and a weird family flock following the singer at every step!

Edited November 5 by jamillos

[Rovim]

4 hours ago, Free Bird said:

We all know what they could, question is what they’ll do. I respect you for being that perennial but how someone can think it’s strange that people stopped believing in new music by this band considering Axl’s track record is beyond my understanding. As long as no new record is coming out, either written from scratch, or full of left overs, the people who express their doubts, have every right to do so.

I don't think it's strange that some fans lost hope in regards to a full album. I just believe that despite Axl's track record, there is still a chance we'll get some version of CD ll with Slash and Duff as a compilation and dare I say maybe even more than that, but I'm fairly optimistic that Axl won't let the legacy of Gn'R end with a whimper cause my guess is that's important for him and he still has everything he needs to at least try and move forward from the Chinese era, even if it's a hybrid album of old and new. 

I agree with @SoulMonster though, time is running out for Axl at the slow pace he is going when it comes to brand new music, but I still think there's still a chance for that to happen cause even though the reunion with Slash and Duff as we now know, meant focusing on the touring, on the money, at least now he has a lot of the classic sound of Gn'R at his disposal.

wait and see is my position and I don't blame anyone for being too jaded to take that whole situation seriously. I just think that if you're informed enough, you know that Axl is unpredictable for good or bad so I'm not sticking a fork in it just yet.

 

[Sweersa]

The slow drip of reworked CD2 singles is better than nothing, but I'd much prefer a full album to absorb. The good, the bad, etc. I'll take it all. My primary concern is the mixing and mastering. If it's done like Perhaps, that's more than acceptable. Hard Skool and The General, not so much. If they include these songs on an eventual album, will they remix them? I assume at the very least they will be remastered to fit the other tracks on the album.

[Rovim]

Just now, Sweersa said:

The slow drip of reworked CD2 singles is better than nothing, but I'd much prefer a full album to absorb. The good, the bad, etc. I'll take it all. My primary concern is the mixing and mastering. If it's done like Perhaps, that's more than acceptable. Hard Skool and The General, not so much. If they include these songs on an eventual album, will they remix them? I assume at the very least they will be remastered to fit the other tracks on the album.

kinda like Catcher sounds like it was reworked to fit with the other Chinese tracks on the official 2008 version of Chinese. I prefer the Brian May demo version, that was practically perfect especially with the Pitman synth part.

[Sweersa]

Just now, Rovim said:

kinda like Catcher sounds like it was reworked to fit with the other Chinese tracks on the official 2008 version of Chinese. I prefer the Brian May demo version, that was practically perfect especially with the Pitman synth part.

I totally agree. With the 2008 album stuff, we mostly have the older more raw versions, which I largely prefer to the 2008 mixes. With whatever becomes of CD2/further NITL singles, we more or less have three eras of that material. We have 20+ year old mixes for the songs that were "completed" then, like Perhaps, Atlas, Hardschool, etc. and a few years later Soul Monster, Shackler's Revenge, The General, Scraped, etc. and there's no doubt 2008 (or so) mixes that would have been updated through the years with Bumblefoot, etc. and just general bloat like with the 2008 album with fancy intros and additional layers, and now it is presumed some of those songs have further been modified by Slash and Duff being thrown in the mix. So it's frankensteined frankensteined material. 

[Rovim]

2 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

I totally agree. With the 2008 album stuff, we mostly have the older more raw versions, which I largely prefer to the 2008 mixes. With whatever becomes of CD2/further NITL singles, we more or less have three eras of that material. We have 20+ year old mixes for the songs that were "completed" then, like Perhaps, Atlas, Hardschool, etc. and a few years later Soul Monster, Shackler's Revenge, The General, Scraped, etc. and there's no doubt 2008 (or so) mixes that would have been updated through the years with Bumblefoot, etc. and just general bloat like with the 2008 album with fancy intros and additional layers, and now it is presumed some of those songs have further been modified by Slash and Duff being thrown in the mix. So it's frankensteined frankensteined material. 

yeah the way I see it it's like Axl kept updating the material like a software update and some of the features of the old versions were cooler to some fans. 

the 2008 official version sounds like 2 or 3 mini albums stuck together, not the same feeling like UYI, but that Chinese was supposed to be at least 2 albums or a double album but Axl just kept working on some main tunes that never left the aaa list and new ones that could have been saved for later for a different album like he originally planned with the trilogy, kept adding layers and players.

some changes worked for me and some made it lose power and the vibe of it. biggest fault I find with it is the drums losing balls and Tommy's bass very low in the mix.

[Sweersa]

12 minutes ago, Rovim said:

some changes worked for me and some made it lose power and the vibe of it. biggest fault I find with it is the drums losing balls and Tommy's bass very low in the mix.

Amen! At least we got the Village and other leaks. 

[tboneman]

"Art is never finished, only abandoned." - That Leonardo guy 

 

[Atlas19]

50 minutes ago, tboneman said:

"Art is never finished, only abandoned." - That Leonardo guy 

 

Please, don't tell that to Axl

[rumandraisin]

6 hours ago, Rovim said:

yeah the way I see it it's like Axl kept updating the material like a software update and some of the features of the old versions were cooler to some fans. 

the 2008 official version sounds like 2 or 3 mini albums stuck together, not the same feeling like UYI, but that Chinese was supposed to be at least 2 albums or a double album but Axl just kept working on some main tunes that never left the aaa list and new ones that could have been saved for later for a different album like he originally planned with the trilogy, kept adding layers and players.

some changes worked for me and some made it lose power and the vibe of it. biggest fault I find with it is the drums losing balls and Tommy's bass very low in the mix.

The change in the drums was a shame, after all the effort they went to recording Brain up in the attic of the studio. Take IRS for example, compare the drums on the "I bet you think I'm doing this all...." part to the album version. Shame. 

And the bass on the title track? No comparison to the early version, all the early versions in fact from 2000 to 2007, Tommy ruled this song. 

[Spoon87]

1 hour ago, rumandraisin said:

The change in the drums was a shame, after all the effort they went to recording Brain up in the attic of the studio. Take IRS for example, compare the drums on the "I bet you think I'm doing this all...." part to the album version. Shame. 

And the bass on the title track? No comparison to the early version, all the early versions in fact from 2000 to 2007, Tommy ruled this song. 

That early IRS Version was a beast of a song, so mean and rough. 

[Sweersa]

1 hour ago, rumandraisin said:

The change in the drums was a shame, after all the effort they went to recording Brain up in the attic of the studio. Take IRS for example, compare the drums on the "I bet you think I'm doing this all...." part to the album version. Shame. 

And the bass on the title track? No comparison to the early version, all the early versions in fact from 2000 to 2007, Tommy ruled this song. 

I don't know what they were thinking with the final mixes as it relates to bass. too many cooks in the kitchen, probably! I wish they used the Andy Wallace mixes. Even by then, the songs were bloated, but less so than the 2008 album, and those mixes were all Bucket and Robin.  

I loved Josh's drumming on everything. I wish they kept him on a few songs, especially the title track, as he wrote it, or some of it. 

Edited November 5 by Sweersa

[WhazUp]

16 hours ago, Rovim said:

kinda like Catcher sounds like it was reworked to fit with the other Chinese tracks on the official 2008 version of Chinese. I prefer the Brian May demo version, that was practically perfect especially with the Pitman synth part.

The version that came out on the Village Sessions leak is my favorite, some of the overdubs we heard on the album version are there but still has the really cool ambient part and Brian May's guitar work there

[Axls_Moustache_Rules]

What happened to that track that would play with something being sent out over Halloween? 

 

That's not it. We have a surprise! We are also building a limited run of music boxes featuring another track from the band. We can't tell you yet what the track will be. You will have to play it to find out! These will be only sent to a select group of Nightrain members, selected at random, who purchase ONLY the premium package. Winning music boxes will include instructions on how to redeem your prize(s).

Edited November 6 by Axls_Moustache_Rules

[gnfr20179]

3 hours ago, Axls_Moustache_Rules said:

What happened to that track that would play with something being sent out over Halloween? 

 

That's not it. We have a surprise! We are also building a limited run of music boxes featuring another track from the band. We can't tell you yet what the track will be. You will have to play it to find out! These will be only sent to a select group of Nightrain members, selected at random, who purchase ONLY the premium package. Winning music boxes will include instructions on how to redeem your prize(s).

Begs the question: has ANYONE received a music box yet? 

[Spoon87]

10 hours ago, Axls_Moustache_Rules said:

What happened to that track that would play with something being sent out over Halloween? 

 

That's not it. We have a surprise! We are also building a limited run of music boxes featuring another track from the band. We can't tell you yet what the track will be. You will have to play it to find out! These will be only sent to a select group of Nightrain members, selected at random, who purchase ONLY the premium package. Winning music boxes will include instructions on how to redeem your prize(s).

They most likely forgot about it.

Or it was just another version of You're crazy and the 5 people who ordered this forgot about it already.

[El Guapo]

12 hours ago, Axls_Moustache_Rules said:

What happened to that track that would play with something being sent out over Halloween? 

 

That's not it. We have a surprise! We are also building a limited run of music boxes featuring another track from the band. We can't tell you yet what the track will be. You will have to play it to find out! These will be only sent to a select group of Nightrain members, selected at random, who purchase ONLY the premium package. Winning music boxes will include instructions on how to redeem your prize(s).

Reading that again pisses me off.

 

[Zeppelin]

20 hours ago, Axls_Moustache_Rules said:

What happened to that track that would play with something being sent out over Halloween? 

 

That's not it. We have a surprise! We are also building a limited run of music boxes featuring another track from the band. We can't tell you yet what the track will be. You will have to play it to find out! These will be only sent to a select group of Nightrain members, selected at random, who purchase ONLY the premium package. Winning music boxes will include instructions on how to redeem your prize(s).

Plans changed.

[TooHardSkool]

Waiting three months for your music box to come just for a shitty rendition of Cornshucker, that'd be f'n amazing lmao 

[GnR Chris]

On 11/5/2024 at 7:26 AM, Sweersa said:

The slow drip of reworked CD2 singles is better than nothing, but I'd much prefer a full album to absorb. The good, the bad, etc. I'll take it all. My primary concern is the mixing and mastering. If it's done like Perhaps, that's more than acceptable. Hard Skool and The General, not so much. If they include these songs on an eventual album, will they remix them? I assume at the very least they will be remastered to fit the other tracks on the album.

The thought of “The General” and “Perhaps” being on a full Guns N’ Roses album that releases several years after the singles hit streamers would be sadly hilarious. 

When and if the time ever comes when GNR do a full record, I don’t want any previously released studio tracks taking up “space” on it.

[GnR Chris]

On 11/5/2024 at 1:59 PM, rumandraisin said:

The change in the drums was a shame, after all the effort they went to recording Brain up in the attic of the studio. Take IRS for example, compare the drums on the "I bet you think I'm doing this all...." part to the album version. Shame. 

And the bass on the title track? No comparison to the early version, all the early versions in fact from 2000 to 2007, Tommy ruled this song. 

Kinda strange the way they turned down the bass on the final studio release of Chinese. It’s not at the level of Metallica’s Justice record, obviously, but a song like “Riad” was a certified banger in the locker leaks. The synth and bass turned way up. The title track, idk, I’ve kinda always preferred the studio release. The bass was too high on some of the early leaks we heard. It did lose its grungier elements though.

[SoulMonster]

28 minutes ago, GnR Chris said:

The thought of “The General” and “Perhaps” being on a full Guns N’ Roses album that releases several years after the singles hit streamers would be sadly hilarious. 

When and if the time ever comes when GNR do a full record, I don’t want any previously released studio tracks taking up “space” on it.

What you want & what you get are two completely different things.