The "New Album" Thread. Thanks to the long ass thread, I’m going home!

[Tom2112]

On 12/11/2024 at 7:32 AM, Majestic Beast said:

Chinese Damnocracy leftovers sucks,bring new whole era stuff with classical sound.

When the talk about a 2nd (and 3rd) record was out there I always viewed the songs as probably equal or pretty close quality to what came on Chinese and as such not left overs. Songs that were kept back off Chinese because maybe there wasn't enough space OR Axl just had a bunch of songs that didn't fit with the mood of certain other songs... however that assumption was wrong, and that seems to be the general consensus. These songs somehow seem more derided than even Chinese, at least Chinese had a large group of fans that would go to bat for it, you have to search long and hard for people that love these new songs.

So yeah. It's beyond the time to kill the left overs, no more should be released (Including Monsters, Atlas and whatever else even my favourite State of grace🥲), time to put out a record with fresh material that has a little more depth in terms of expanded lyrics, smoother arrangements that aren't trying so hard to be different/modern, solos that aren't just added for the sake of having a solo (Slash hasn't delivered properly on any of the songs thus far), new vocals and those vocals should not be processed anyway near as much as 'Love to love'... I don't really care who plays on it, if they want to bring other guitarists, keys, drums to get the job done so be it... but Slash/Duff and Axl need to record their parts and they need to be the core writers... not like the leftovers that place Slash and Duffs name on songs they had zero to do with, outside of replacing parts. And I don't care if Slash and Duff "made their own parts" they didn't and don't serve songwriting credit and those songs...nor should they want it😂

[SoulMonster]

4 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

When the talk about a 2nd (and 3rd) record was out there I always viewed the songs as probably equal or pretty close quality to what came on Chinese and as such not left overs. Songs that were kept back off Chinese because maybe there wasn't enough space OR Axl just had a bunch of songs that didn't fit with the mood of certain other songs... however that assumption was wrong, and that seems to be the general consensus. These songs somehow seem more derided than even Chinese, at least Chinese had a large group of fans that would go to bat for it, you have to search long and hard for people that love these new songs.

So yeah. It's beyond the time to kill the left overs, no more should be released (Including Monsters, Atlas and whatever else even my favourite State of grace🥲), time to put out a record with fresh material that has a little more depth in terms of expanded lyrics, smoother arrangements that aren't trying so hard to be different/modern, solos that aren't just added for the sake of having a solo (Slash hasn't delivered properly on any of the songs thus far), new vocals and those vocals should not be processed anyway near as much as 'Love to love'... I don't really care who plays on it, if they want to bring other guitarists, keys, drums to get the job done so be it... but Slash/Duff and Axl need to record their parts and they need to be the core writers... not like the leftovers that place Slash and Duffs name on songs they had zero to do with, outside of replacing parts. And I don't care if Slash and Duff "made their own parts" they didn't and don't serve songwriting credit and those songs...nor should they want it😂

Tangential to this, Axl should release the rest of the CD era material more like the songs were originally written with their original musicians (whoever that was) and then start afresh with Slash and Duff making brand new music. 

[Tom2112]

35 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Tangential to this, Axl should release the rest of the CD era material more like the songs were originally written with their original musicians (whoever that was) and then start afresh with Slash and Duff making brand new music. 

Yeah sometime that would be ok, just compile it all together and release it, I'd be far more curious to hear the final versions before Slash/Duff did their work on the songs and the songs were remixed. Limited edition physical copies and then streaming.

As for the immediate future the only sensible option is to get off the path that's obviously not working and get onto the new stuff that people will almost certainly be more excited and open to... well that could be shit too, but you can hope😄 

 

[SoulMonster]

6 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

Yeah sometime that would be ok, just compile it all together and release it, I'd be far more curious to hear the final versions before Slash/Duff did their work on the songs and the songs were remixed. Limited edition physical copies and then streaming.

As for the immediate future the only sensible option is to get off the path that's obviously not working and get onto the new stuff that people will almost certainly be more excited and open to... well that could be shit too, but you can hope😄 

From their perspective things might be working splendidly. They have managed to successfully reunite Axl and Slash, to most fans' excitement, and they have managed to successfully tour the world for years, to audiences' obvious excitement. And they get very rich. From their perspective this is a huge win for everybody. and obviously not something that is "not working". 

The amount of people who crave a new GN'R record, or even just a few songs, is really small and getting smaller every year. Catering to these fans to the point where it conflicts with the massive touring, wouldn't make sense. And yes, Duff and Slash (and maybe Axl) would like to expand the back catalog with additional music and maybe they are not 100% satisfied with things. but they obviously considers the set-up they have better than the alternative, and presumably they consider that to be the end of touring while trying to make new music with Axl which is like pulling teeth and with a significant risk of it all falling apart.

[Tom2112]

1 hour ago, SoulMonster said:

From their perspective things might be working splendidly. They have managed to successfully reunite Axl and Slash, to most fans' excitement, and they have managed to successfully tour the world for years, to audiences' obvious excitement. And they get very rich. From their perspective this is a huge win for everybody. and obviously not something that is "not working". 

The amount of people who crave a new GN'R record, or even just a few songs, is really small and getting smaller every year. Catering to these fans to the point where it conflicts with the massive touring, wouldn't make sense. And yes, Duff and Slash (and maybe Axl) would like to expand the back catalog with additional music and maybe they are not 100% satisfied with things. but they obviously considers the set-up they have better than the alternative, and presumably they consider that to be the end of touring while trying to make new music with Axl which is like pulling teeth and with a significant risk of it all falling apart.

No, I meant in what they are choosing to release and how they are choosing to promote it. The reunion and touring is a success that basically nobody would argue with.

I think most could argue a great defense to anyone suggesting the singles have performed in remotely well in comparison to other mega acts rock that have released material. 

But also, a few years people / media were still happy to see GNR, they were saying they hoped for new music but they were quite happy with the shows. Now, there's these articles about their static set list, there's radio personalities like Eddie Trunk talking about them not releasing a new album in the 8yrs they've been back and now whether an album moves the needle commercially or not there is a pressure to produce. And that could also mean they produce a new tour that is not essentially additions to the NITL set list. Full overhaul of the set from top to bottom or new album because people are losing interest, not enough that they won't sell plenty of tickets next year, but enough that they aren't selling out as much as they could though.

Edited December 12, 2024 by Tom2112

[SoulMonster]

5 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

No, I meant in what they are choosing to release and how they are choosing to promote it. The reunion and touring is a success that basically nobody would argue with.

I think most could argue a great defense to anyone suggesting the singles have performed in remotely well in comparison to other mega acts rock that have released material. 

It's interesting, isn't it, that Axl would be okay with releasing the music in such a lackluster fashion? But at the same time, he barely did any promotion for Chinese Democracy either, seemingly intent on promoting the songs through touring only. It seems to be the same now, the difference just being that the songs aren't packaged on an album, with all that entails. I think he has actually compromised a bit, trying to balance different things like his own desire to get the remaining stuff out, Slash and Duff's desire to release more music and be part of it, fans' desire for new music, while also keep the touring going, but not do it as an album statement. I think albums take a lot out of Axl and that it is easier with single releases where the songs themselves are the product and not where an album is the product. 

[JAxlMorrison]

On 12/11/2024 at 2:32 AM, Majestic Beast said:

Chinese Damnocracy leftovers sucks,bring new whole era stuff with classical sound.

Yay anything goes 2024! 😴 

[Lelex95]

5 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

When the talk about a 2nd (and 3rd) record was out there I always viewed the songs as probably equal or pretty close quality to what came on Chinese and as such not left overs. Songs that were kept back off Chinese because maybe there wasn't enough space OR Axl just had a bunch of songs that didn't fit with the mood of certain other songs... however that assumption was wrong, and that seems to be the general consensus. These songs somehow seem more derided than even Chinese, at least Chinese had a large group of fans that would go to bat for it, you have to search long and hard for people that love these new songs.

So yeah. It's beyond the time to kill the left overs, no more should be released (Including Monsters, Atlas and whatever else even my favourite State of grace🥲), time to put out a record with fresh material that has a little more depth in terms of expanded lyrics, smoother arrangements that aren't trying so hard to be different/modern, solos that aren't just added for the sake of having a solo (Slash hasn't delivered properly on any of the songs thus far), new vocals and those vocals should not be processed anyway near as much as 'Love to love'... I don't really care who plays on it, if they want to bring other guitarists, keys, drums to get the job done so be it... but Slash/Duff and Axl need to record their parts and they need to be the core writers... not like the leftovers that place Slash and Duffs name on songs they had zero to do with, outside of replacing parts. And I don't care if Slash and Duff "made their own parts" they didn't and don't serve songwriting credit and those songs...nor should they want it😂

It’s not self evident that anything that could come out from this formation right now would be better than the left overs. 
axl voice even in the studio isn’t something to write home about nowadays. 
I don’t think the left overs are bad or at least don’t have the potential to be as good as the stuff in Chinese democracy, but whit such difference in the voice performance their stuck publishing tempered demos and the production is very bad. 
honestly I really like the new stuff, the general is to me the worst one yet but perhaps and hard skool are pretty decent and absurd is very interesting. 

[JimiRose]

is it out yet?

[Voodoochild]

12 minutes ago, JimiRose said:

is it out yet?

It is. Check their My Space.

[Tom2112]

4 hours ago, Lelex95 said:

It’s not self evident that anything that could come out from this formation right now would be better than the left overs. 
axl voice even in the studio isn’t something to write home about nowadays. 
I don’t think the left overs are bad or at least don’t have the potential to be as good as the stuff in Chinese democracy, but whit such difference in the voice performance their stuck publishing tempered demos and the production is very bad. 
honestly I really like the new stuff, the general is to me the worst one yet but perhaps and hard skool are pretty decent and absurd is very interesting. 

But you appreciate that you are not the majority on this. Go to a comments section, play then for a friend it's nearly always the same response. Either meh or this is god awful. Chinese was either so bad or so good, there was very few in the middle. Thos latest material is absolute substandard, and not saying you are wrong for liking them, like what you like!

[Lelex95]

14 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

But you appreciate that you are not the majority on this. Go to a comments section, play then for a friend it's nearly always the same response. Either meh or this is god awful. Chinese was either so bad or so good, there was very few in the middle. Thos latest material is absolute substandard, and not saying you are wrong for liking them, like what you like!

Oh yes, I know I’m not in the majority here at all. 
to be honest I did show the new songs to friends of mine that are not necessarily gnr fans and the reaction were way more mixed than you would anticipate. 
they don’t speak English so to them lyrics are not a great deal till they read them on paper, which I guess when reacting to a song like absurd plays a big part. 
I love monsters and atlas which are yet to come out, I consider those very good songs. 

[Sweersa]

On 12/12/2024 at 3:14 AM, SoulMonster said:

Tangential to this, Axl should release the rest of the CD era material more like the songs were originally written with their original musicians (whoever that was) and then start afresh with Slash and Duff making brand new music. 

Amen! And in such a case, if these CD-era songs are sprinkled into the next album or two, and mixed and mastered appropriately with any actual new material, no one except for a few (us, the crazy super fans) will even know they are from departed members. Heck, the GN'R pinball machine from 2020 by Jersey Jack has three CD songs on it, and the fans of that game (most are also fans of the band) talk about those songs and refer to Robin's solo, etc. as being great Slash moments because the footage displayed on the game is from the NITL. They even use some of Robin and Bucket's playing in other parts of the game. Robin is featured prominently (his TIL solo, abbreviated) during the mystery revolver animation that is a big part of the game. 

[jamillos]

On 12/12/2024 at 5:28 PM, JimiRose said:

is it out yet?

It is. But it didn’t reach the bowl. 
I knew I’d miss it
So I had to clean it
And I can still hear my complaints 

[Tom2112]

On 12/13/2024 at 2:55 PM, Sweersa said:

Amen! And in such a case, if these CD-era songs are sprinkled into the next album or two, and mixed and mastered appropriately with any actual new material, no one except for a few (us, the crazy super fans) will even know they are from departed members. Heck, the GN'R pinball machine from 2020 by Jersey Jack has three CD songs on it, and the fans of that game (most are also fans of the band) talk about those songs and refer to Robin's solo, etc. as being great Slash moments because the footage displayed on the game is from the NITL. They even use some of Robin and Bucket's playing in other parts of the game. Robin is featured prominently (his TIL solo, abbreviated) during the mystery revolver animation that is a big part of the game. 

True. Also hilarious that there's gnr fans that probably also uttered "it's gnr without Slash" that ignored Chinese only to hear it now in a pinball machine and like it thinking it's Slash. Just need to savour the "I knew it" a little longer😄

[jimisbatman]

On 12/11/2024 at 8:32 PM, Majestic Beast said:

Chinese Damnocracy leftovers sucks,bring new whole era stuff with classical sound.

I doubt they're capable of "classical sound“ without key members, Adler/Izzy.

 

Honestly, not just saying this as I love the CD era, but the best you could hope for is Slash/Duff saying yes sir, 3 bags full, and carrying on the Axl Rose soap opera.

[jamillos]

51 minutes ago, jimisbatman said:

I doubt they're capable of "classical sound“ without key members, Adler/Izzy.

 

Honestly, not just saying this as I love the CD era, but the best you could hope for is Slash/Duff saying yes sir, 3 bags full, and carrying on the Axl Rose soap opera.

They have some material from the 95 era, that's also an option. 

[allwaystired]

5 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

Hi! I'm new around here and don't know how things work. How many albums can I expect to be released in the near future???

Seriously though fuck this band lol.

Hi, welcome to the forum. 

None, but thanks for your interest.

P.S. hideous sweatpants, laundry bags and cooking boards are available for purchase. 

[Ratam]

11 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

Hi! I'm new around here and don't know how things work. How many albums can I expect to be released in the near future???

Seriously though fuck this band lol.

Wow!!! Welcome back! The GREAT @Oldest Goatis back!  You to take sabbatic year of the Forum, i' very happy you is back 

[jackparker123]

My current imaginary Chinese Democracy 2 playlist that I recently burnt to a CDR for my car:

1. Thyme
2. PRL
3. Hard Skool
4. Atlas Shrugged
5. Me and My Elvis
6. Love To Love
7. Perhaps
8. Blood In The Water
9. Absurd
10. Eye On You
11. Going Down
12. State Of Grace
13. Zodiac
14. Oh My God
15. Nothing
16. The General
17. Monsters 

 

[gavgnr]

11 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

Hi! I'm new around here and don't know how things work. 

Seriously though fuck this band lol.

You have gone from newbie to GnR Jedi in one single post brother 

[DTV88]

10 hours ago, jamillos said:

They have some material from the 95 era, that's also an option. 

Without vocals, right?

[jamillos]

45 minutes ago, DTV88 said:

Without vocals, right?

Well that's an eternal question. 

[SoulMonster]

1 hour ago, DTV88 said:

Without vocals, right?

Yes, without vocals.

[Sweersa]

1 hour ago, DTV88 said:

Without vocals, right?

No one here knows, and any who do, are not going to care enough to tell us.