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It's probably for a pop up type shop to sell a verity of specific merchandise? 

Perhaps for NYC & london. They have done something like that in the past. 

Or maybe it's for a graphic within the on screen animations during the intro and the show itself.

Whatever it is, it probably won't live up to what we are expecting.

 

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14 minutes ago, Axl_morris said:

It's probably for a pop up type shop to sell a verity of specific merchandise? 

Perhaps for NYC & london. They have done something like that in the past. 

Or maybe it's for a graphic within the on screen animations during the intro and the show itself.

Whatever it is, it probably won't live up to what we are expecting.

 

Could be a pop up shop yeah. But given he has said in the past that sometime's he turns around on stage see's the videos and thinks "whats that all about? who did that?" (Im paraphrasing) I dont think he cares too much about the on screen videos to keep a trademark going this long.

He has extended the trademark 4 times in around 2 and a half years, that's a lot of time to keep the ball in the air (even for him) for it not to be something.

Doesn't mean it's a full blown album of course, but it's something. Trademark ends in September so will see what happens

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5 minutes ago, BillConnor_1982 said:

I can’t find Hell Rose Place on Spotify yet

Give it time.lol

Also if your typing in Rose surely that's gotta bring up GN'R

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2 hours ago, Shacklermyrye said:

Could be a pop up shop yeah. But given he has said in the past that sometime's he turns around on stage see's the videos and thinks "whats that all about? who did that?" (Im paraphrasing) I dont think he cares too much about the on screen videos to keep a trademark going this long.

He has extended the trademark 4 times in around 2 and a half years, that's a lot of time to keep the ball in the air (even for him) for it not to be something.

Doesn't mean it's a full blown album of course, but it's something. Trademark ends in September so will see what happens

Doubt Axl even knows this is being done. Cheetos, beer, TV. Leaves the house to play gigs. That's Axls life in his 60s. You keep saying there is new music. we know there is at least an albums worth of songs recorded and ready to go, yes. It is the releasing of these tracks people find so hard to believe. mainly because in 32 years 1 original album has been released. So forgive all of us that expect this to yield the sum of fuck all. 

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9 hours ago, Chris 55 said:

HOW?

I remembered the Stay Of Execution trademark from a few years back so thought I'd look up any current one's.

So less stumbled and more looked and found really

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By the way, on instagram, Beta follows this account:

https://www.instagram.com/hellroseplace/

There's an illustration of a skeleton among fire and green-light holding a naked redhead lady. Neither Google images nor Bing images has picked this image up as a pre-existing image when using image search. It was posted January 8 2019.

It's also followed by santista17 and youngroadie, and by bachaballz (Beta follows this bachaballz person).

However, its bio has gotohell.com , which leads to Ozzy Osbourne's facebook page.

 

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3 hours ago, BucketEgg said:

By the way, on instagram, Beta follows this account:

https://www.instagram.com/hellroseplace/

There's an illustration of a skeleton among fire and green-light holding a naked redhead lady. Neither Google images nor Bing images has picked this image up as a pre-existing image when using image search. It was posted January 8 2019.

It's also followed by santista17 and youngroadie, and by bachaballz (Beta follows this bachaballz person).

However, its bio has gotohell.com , which leads to Ozzy Osbourne's facebook page.

 

I think that "Bacha" is the Son-in-law of Beta.

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1 hour ago, Shacklermyrye said:

Tenuious link perhaps but it stood out a bit because of the Hell rose place thing. Axl has had this shirt made by designer Adam Mars

r/GunsNRoses - Cool design that Axl wore on stage is made by Adam Mars

HellShirtAxl_1024x1024@2x.jpg?v=1590177396

Yours for $48 if they ever come back in stock https://adam-mars.com/products/axl-rose-hell-shirt-world-tour?_pos=6&_sid=26a9c3d5d&_ss=r

Shirt was made in 2020, interesting.

 

So based on stuff people have posted in this thread, the timeline currently goes:

Hell Rose Place instagram made, and image uploaded, in 2019 January.

Axl performs wearing a hell shirt at 2020 January 31st .

Hell Rose Place trademark filed  2020-07-31.

Hell Rose Place trademark has been extended multiple times. Most recent extension was the fourth extension, Wednesday, March 1, 2023. 2023/03/01.

https://www.trademarkelite.com/trademark/trademark-search.aspx?sw=hell rose place
says there's an upcoming deadline in 2023 in 2023/09/2023. Maybe it will be extended for a fifth time.

so + 6 months from March 1, 2023, plus another 6 months after that for the possible fifth extension, then we're waiting around until March 2024 to see if it lapses.

 

The instagram account interests me. So at one point, it might have been a separate but related to GnR entity that deserved its own account, instead of being absorbed by the usual GnR account. And there was activity going on in 2019/2020, but then suddenly that all halted. Long setup time? Halted by covid?

Also noting that the Hell Rose Place is owned by Axl himself put under "Owner Type: Individual", instead of being owned by "Guns N' Roses" "Owner Type: Partnership" like the Guns N' Roses trademark is. https://www.trademarkelite.com/trademark/trademark-detail/74295264/GUNS-N-ROSES

solo work was incoming? shacklermyrye noticed the trademark was also split other categories (class 9, class 25, class 41.)  https://www.trademarkia.com/search/trademarks?query=hell+rose+place&reset_page=false ). Class 9 interests me the most, since that's the one specifies prerecorded music.

 

 

 

sidetrack:
also there's this "Pugs n roses" https://www.trademarkelite.com/trademark/trademark-detail/88173847/PUGS-N-ROSES , also owned by Guns N Roses since 2018.
"Based on GUNS N' ROSES, the PUGS N ROSES trademark is used in the following business: Clothing, namely, t-shirts, hats, bandannas, sweat pants, shirts, sweat shirts, hoodies, and leggings , Adoption services for domestic animals . "

Is this some drama I'm seeing, according to the Legal history section of this page? (as in, there was some fighting over who could have the name?)

"PUBLISHED FOR OPPOSITION"
"LETTER OF PROTEST ACCEPTED"
...
"AUTOMATIC UPDATE OF ASSIGNMENT OF OWNERSHIP", etc

 

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After looking at the other trademarks, I wonder if it's actually Axl filing all these trademarks, or someone else in Axl's camp doing stuff on his behalf.

The lapsed GNAIR stuff are all filed under his name, instead of the Guns N Roses partnership. The GNAIR stuff all also have 5 extensions.

Also the W.A.R alcohol stuff dates back to 2017, got extended multiple times, lapsed, but now they're trying to file it again. So they're insistent on that.

Also, there's numerous trademarks for AXL.

Has Axl himself ever been a brand? Doesn't he normally keep with the Guns N' Roses name? But all these recent trademarks indicate interest in turning possibly Axl by himself into a brand. All the AXL and AXL ROSE trademarks,  along with the Hell Rose Place, are filed 31 July 2020.


One of the AXL and AXL ROSE trademarks are about blogs? Notoriously private Axl is gonna become a blogger??? really????
https://www.trademarkia.com/axl-rose-90086840?country=us
https://www.trademarkia.com/axl-90086812?country=us

And the other AXL trademarks are clothing related, and also class 9 of audio and video recordings of music and performances.
https://www.trademarkia.com/owners/Rose%2C W. Axl?reset_page=false

 

Pulling up the timeline again:

Hell Rose Place instagram made, and image uploaded, in 2019 January.

Axl performs wearing a hell shirt at 2020 January 31st .

Hell Rose Place and all the other Axl trademarks filed  2020-07-31.

2021-08-06, Absurd released.
2021-08-24, Hardskool released.
2022-02-25, Hardskool EP released.

Hell Rose Place trademark has been extended multiple times. Most recent extension was the fourth extension, Wednesday, March 1, 2023. 2023/03/01.

so + 6 months from March 1, 2023, plus another 6 months after that for the possible fifth extension, then we're waiting around until March 2024 to see if it lapses.

 

Going deep into baseless speculation, how likely/possible do you think the other unreleased Chinese Democracy tracks are getting shoved into Axl's solo category instead of hanging out with the rest of the GnR catalog? (Unless Hell Rose Place is also a GNR thing like GNAIR that gets filed under just Axl's name instead of the Guns N Roses partnership.)  As in, someone in GnR's organisation decided Absurd and Hardskool sounded GnR enough to be part of main GnR, and the other stuff gets split off into Hell Rose Place / whatever is going on in there? Then the GnR people don't have to think about adding all these Chinese Leftovers to the touring setlist to promote new GnR music and possibly displace the classic songs, and instead, like how there's one Duff song in the setlist, they'd have one CD2 song in the setlist that gets rotated around as the band tours places, or ignore it all together.

 

 

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I really don't know what it's for, going by what I remember reading when I found it either new music or live music and merch rights to the name.

Apart from that I wonder if him trademarking different versions of his name is a defensive trademarking move to stop it being used with out consent or something.

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I mean that may well sound a little far fetched

But consider some years back there was a band called Reinventing Axl Rose who had shall we say not the highest opinion of Axl.  Along with the fact that there now seems to be a rap collective or it might be album called Guns N' Roses. I get the whole Appitite For Destruction NWA thing but that was years back (and they were friends).

To me it makes complete sense for him to protect his name legally as much as the band name when both have been used by other parties.

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if anyone feels like looking and comparing the trademarks and their history

Duff's trademarks:
https://www.trademarkia.com/owners/McKagan%2C Michael A.?reset_page=false
https://www.trademarkelite.com/trademark/trademark-owner/McKagan, Michael A.

 

vs

Axl's trademarks:

https://www.trademarkia.com/owners/Rose%2C W. Axl?reset_page=false
https://www.trademarkelite.com/trademark/trademark-owner/Rose, W. Axl

 

 

An example history of one of Duff's trademarks:

https://www.trademarkia.com/duff-mckagan-88157469?country=us

Spoiler

Mark Details


Serial Number

88157469

Mark Type

Service Mark

 

Legal History


Status Date Action Taken
3rd Dec 2019 REGISTERED-PRINCIPAL REGISTER
17th Sept 2019 OFFICIAL GAZETTE PUBLICATION CONFIRMATION E-MAILED
17th Sept 2019 PUBLISHED FOR OPPOSITION
29th Jul 2019 CORRESPONDENCE RECEIVED IN LAW OFFICE
15th Aug 2019 ASSIGNED TO LIE
30th Jul 2019 TEAS/EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE ENTERED
7th Aug 2019 APPROVED FOR PUB - PRINCIPAL REGISTER
29th Jul 2019 TEAS RESPONSE TO OFFICE ACTION RECEIVED
28th Aug 2019 NOTIFICATION OF NOTICE OF PUBLICATION E-MAILED
29th Jan 2019 NOTIFICATION OF NON-FINAL ACTION E-MAILED
29th Jan 2019 NON-FINAL ACTION WRITTEN
27th Oct 2018 NEW APPLICATION OFFICE SUPPLIED DATA ENTERED IN TRAM
29th Jan 2019 NON-FINAL ACTION E-MAILED
19th Oct 2018 NEW APPLICATION ENTERED IN TRAM
25th Jan 2019 ASSIGNED TO EXAMINER

 

An example history of one of Axl's trademarks:

https://www.trademarkia.com/axl-rose-90086834?country=us

Spoiler

Mark Details


Serial Number

90086834

Mark Type

Service/Collective Mark

 

Legal History


Status Date Action Taken
3rd Mar 2023 NOTICE OF APPROVAL OF EXTENSION REQUEST E-MAILED
1st Mar 2023 SOU EXTENSION 4 GRANTED
1st Mar 2023 SOU EXTENSION 4 FILED
1st Mar 2023 TEAS EXTENSION RECEIVED
2th Sept 2022 NOTICE OF APPROVAL OF EXTENSION REQUEST E-MAILED
31st Aug 2022 SOU EXTENSION 3 GRANTED
31st Aug 2022 SOU EXTENSION 3 FILED
31st Aug 2022 TEAS EXTENSION RECEIVED
3rd Mar 2022 NOTICE OF APPROVAL OF EXTENSION REQUEST E-MAILED
1st Mar 2022 SOU EXTENSION 2 GRANTED
1st Mar 2022 SOU EXTENSION 2 FILED
1st Mar 2022 TEAS EXTENSION RECEIVED
3rd Sept 2021 NOTICE OF APPROVAL OF EXTENSION REQUEST E-MAILED
1st Sept 2021 SOU EXTENSION 1 GRANTED
1st Sept 2021 SOU EXTENSION 1 FILED
1st Sept 2021 TEAS EXTENSION RECEIVED
2th Mar 2021 NOA E-MAILED - SOU REQUIRED FROM APPLICANT
5th Jan 2021 OFFICIAL GAZETTE PUBLICATION CONFIRMATION E-MAILED
5th Jan 2021 PUBLISHED FOR OPPOSITION
16th Dec 2020 NOTIFICATION OF NOTICE OF PUBLICATION E-MAILED
2th Dec 2020 APPROVED FOR PUB - PRINCIPAL REGISTER
2th Dec 2020 EXAMINER'S AMENDMENT ENTERED
2th Dec 2020 NOTIFICATION OF EXAMINERS AMENDMENT E-MAILED
2th Dec 2020 EXAMINERS AMENDMENT E-MAILED
2th Dec 2020 EXAMINERS AMENDMENT -WRITTEN
19th Nov 2020 ASSIGNED TO EXAMINER
1st Sept 2020 NEW APPLICATION OFFICE SUPPLIED DATA ENTERED
4th Aug 2020 NEW APPLICATION ENTERED

and one of Axl's lapsed ones

https://www.trademarkia.com/gnair-88035979?country=us

Spoiler

Mark Details


Serial Number

88035979

Mark Type

Service Mark

 

Legal History


Status Date Action Taken
3rd Oct 2022 ABANDONMENT NOTICE E-MAILED - NO USE STATEMENT FILED
3rd Oct 2022 ABANDONMENT - NO USE STATEMENT FILED
5th Mar 2022 NOTICE OF APPROVAL OF EXTENSION REQUEST E-MAILED
4th Mar 2022 SOU EXTENSION 5 GRANTED
24th Feb 2022 SOU EXTENSION 5 FILED
4th Mar 2022 CASE ASSIGNED TO INTENT TO USE PARALEGAL
24th Feb 2022 TEAS EXTENSION RECEIVED
7th Aug 2021 NOTICE OF APPROVAL OF EXTENSION REQUEST E-MAILED
5th Aug 2021 SOU EXTENSION 4 GRANTED
5th Aug 2021 SOU EXTENSION 4 FILED
5th Aug 2021 TEAS EXTENSION RECEIVED
16th Feb 2021 NOTICE OF APPROVAL OF EXTENSION REQUEST E-MAILED
12th Feb 2021 SOU EXTENSION 3 GRANTED
12th Feb 2021 SOU EXTENSION 3 FILED
12th Feb 2021 TEAS EXTENSION RECEIVED
25th Aug 2020 NOTICE OF APPROVAL OF EXTENSION REQUEST E-MAILED
21st Aug 2020 SOU EXTENSION 2 GRANTED
21st Aug 2020 SOU EXTENSION 2 FILED
21st Aug 2020 TEAS EXTENSION RECEIVED
16th Jul 2020 APPLICANT/CORRESPONDENCE CHANGES (NON-RESPONSIVE) ENTERED
16th Jul 2020 TEAS CHANGE OF CORRESPONDENCE RECEIVED
16th Jul 2020 ATTORNEY/DOM.REP.REVOKED AND/OR APPOINTED
16th Jul 2020 TEAS REVOKE/APP/CHANGE ADDR OF ATTY/DOM REP RECEIVED
16th Jul 2020 TEAS CHANGE OF OWNER ADDRESS RECEIVED
26th Feb 2020 NOTICE OF APPROVAL OF EXTENSION REQUEST E-MAILED
24th Feb 2020 SOU EXTENSION 1 GRANTED
24th Feb 2020 SOU EXTENSION 1 FILED
24th Feb 2020 TEAS EXTENSION RECEIVED
24th Feb 2020 TEAS CHANGE OF CORRESPONDENCE RECEIVED
24th Feb 2020 APPLICANT/CORRESPONDENCE CHANGES (NON-RESPONSIVE) ENTERED
24th Feb 2020 ATTORNEY/DOM.REP.REVOKED AND/OR APPOINTED
24th Feb 2020 TEAS REVOKE/APP/CHANGE ADDR OF ATTY/DOM REP RECEIVED
24th Feb 2020 TEAS CHANGE OF OWNER ADDRESS RECEIVED
27th Aug 2019 NOA E-MAILED - SOU REQUIRED FROM APPLICANT
2th Jul 2019 OFFICIAL GAZETTE PUBLICATION CONFIRMATION E-MAILED
2th Jul 2019 PUBLISHED FOR OPPOSITION
12th Jun 2019 NOTIFICATION OF NOTICE OF PUBLICATION E-MAILED
23rd May 2019 ASSIGNED TO LIE
10th May 2019 APPROVED FOR PUB - PRINCIPAL REGISTER
7th May 2019 TEAS/EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE ENTERED
6th May 2019 CORRESPONDENCE RECEIVED IN LAW OFFICE
6th May 2019 TEAS RESPONSE TO OFFICE ACTION RECEIVED
7th Nov 2018 NOTIFICATION OF NON-FINAL ACTION E-MAILED
7th Nov 2018 NON-FINAL ACTION E-MAILED
7th Nov 2018 NON-FINAL ACTION WRITTEN
30th Oct 2018 ASSIGNED TO EXAMINER
17th Jul 2018 NEW APPLICATION OFFICE SUPPLIED DATA ENTERED IN TRAM
16th Jul 2018 NEW APPLICATION ENTERED IN TRAM

I can't seem to find the same info on the other trademarkelite site  so I'm unsure how correct it is, but Axl's trademarks are both service/collective marks, while Duff only has a service mark. one of Duff's marks also has a

"

First Use Date in General

30th Sept 1993

First Use Date in Commerce

30th Sept 1993

"

on Trademarkia, but the same mark Trademarkelite has a

"

First Use Anywhere: Not Available
First Use in Commerce: Not Available

"

, so that's an unclear point.

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Good lord you have gone deep......

too deep

you may never come back again from the rabbit hole you have tumbled down. My advice would be to stay away from the wayback machine, that way leads only to madness and not going outside for extended periods of time...time in which one could plant and grow crops.

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Hellrose Place.  let's see.  it can't be anything music related bc, well Axl doesn't release.that kind of stuff.  

I'm guessing it's a traveling haunted house.  filled with hot chicks.  who are super annoying and bitchy.  the scary part is that doors stay locked and you can't get out until GNR releases a new album.......  YOURE GONNA DIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE!   LOL

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