Billy Cundy Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 (edited) There’s been some rumblings regarding the (inevitable) Oasis reunion - Noel has prompted Liam to ‘give him a call’ in so many words. What does this have to do with GN’R? Well.. Noel has recently divorced from his wife Sara McDonald. As we’ve seen with the mighty Slash, nothing seems to spur a reunion on like an absolutely devastatingly costly rockstar divorce settlement. I also understand there was animosity between Perla and Axl, as there is between Sara and Liam G. Are we seeing what we saw with GNR in 2015/16, or will the scallywag Gallagher’s continue to bitch and antagonise one another via RadioX and equally underwhelming solo efforts? I’ve always thought there were a fair few parallels between Oasis and GNR. Both were considered ‘dangerous’ and comprised of ‘bad boys’; not in a contrived showbiz way either - Liam and Axl were legitimate headcases who might actually smack you then knick your bike. Both bands also had a knack for repurposing and recycling the best 60s and 70s rock, wearing their influences on their sleeves and writing universally accessible rock n’ roll, loved by millions. They share some musical common ground too, both bands owing a lot to the Rolling Stones, The Who, and The Sex Pistols. I could be overthinking it - but Oasis/GNR music was nasty rock n’ roll written by nasty boys, paying tribute to the giants of the generation that preceded them and delivering it with ferocity and arrogance for a 90s audience. Volatile controversial frontmen, substance abuse, revolving line ups, strained inter-band relationships (particularly between the hotheaded lead singers and the softer spoken more introverted guitarists)… and now a costly divorce potentially resulting in a long-coming Uber-profitable reunion? all rock n roll cliches, yes… but certainly parallels to be drawn. will we be seeing the Oasis equivalent of ‘NITL’? If we do, will it last and trudge on like GNR seem to be destined to do? Seems unlikely but the same may have been said about axl n co prior to 2012? Will there be new music? The Gallaghers have pumped out far more than GNR have over the years…. Are these bands even comparable, or am I way off? Let me know your thoughts. Edited May 8, 2023 by Billy Cundy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 An Oasis reunion would be cool. I dunno if it'd work for long though. They have both had solo success so I do wonder if they could handle sharing the limelight for long. Plus divorce is fairer here in comparison to LA. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 There are rumours they have met up behind closed doors, but who knows. Masterplan is an amazing song though I do know that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted May 8, 2023 Share Posted May 8, 2023 I’d go 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Cundy Posted May 9, 2023 Author Share Posted May 9, 2023 5 hours ago, janrichmond said: An Oasis reunion would be cool. I dunno if it'd work for long though. They have both had solo success so I do wonder if they could handle sharing the limelight for long. Plus divorce is fairer here in comparison to LA. I agree, I don’t think Liam and Noel could sustain an uneasy truce. I guess if we are comparing them to Axl and Slash (this is a GNR forum I suppose after all) Axl’s reclusive persona coupled with Slash and Duff’s unwavering commitment to diplomacy and keeping the peace minimises any risk of getting in each others lines of fire . I’m sure it’s a very professional ‘let’s meet on stage, do the gig, get paid, and return to our lives’. The British music press can’t take a dump without asking at least one of the Gallaghers to make a comment on it, and both of them are always 100% willing to oblige. Neither of them have ever NOT had an opinion on anything. There’d be far more scope and opportunity for another fall-out. but then again, they’re brothers. Even if there was a bit of aggro, as long as it wasn’t a brutal showdown, they might be more likely to hash it out. The only thing bonding axl and slash is the band/brand Guns N’ Roses. Liam and Noel have the same mum. Big difference. maybe Noel’s scratched the ‘solo album’ itch. Liam has said he thinks Noel just wanted to split and release music away from oasis. I think Noel felt limited by the band, their image, and Liam’s emotional/vocal range. After some pedestrian ‘experimental’ excursions, Noel has circled back around to writing the type of britpop lad anthems that made him famous in the first place. Maybe he’s thinking ‘if Im back here again, might as well sell out stadiums rather than arenas’….. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Cundy Posted May 9, 2023 Author Share Posted May 9, 2023 12 hours ago, ZoSoRose said: I’d go Hell yeah same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamillos Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 Well, if they stop looking back in anger, then maybe... Ba dum tss 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 On 5/8/2023 at 8:00 PM, Billy Cundy said: There’s been some rumblings regarding the (inevitable) Oasis reunion - Noel has prompted Liam to ‘give him a call’ in so many words. What does this have to do with GN’R? Well.. Noel has recently divorced from his wife Sara McDonald. As we’ve seen with the mighty Slash, nothing seems to spur a reunion on like an absolutely devastatingly costly rockstar divorce settlement. I also understand there was animosity between Perla and Axl, as there is between Sara and Liam G. Are we seeing what we saw with GNR in 2015/16, or will the scallywag Gallagher’s continue to bitch and antagonise one another via RadioX and equally underwhelming solo efforts? I’ve always thought there were a fair few parallels between Oasis and GNR. Both were considered ‘dangerous’ and comprised of ‘bad boys’; not in a contrived showbiz way either - Liam and Axl were legitimate headcases who might actually smack you then knick your bike. Both bands also had a knack for repurposing and recycling the best 60s and 70s rock, wearing their influences on their sleeves and writing universally accessible rock n’ roll, loved by millions. They share some musical common ground too, both bands owing a lot to the Rolling Stones, The Who, and The Sex Pistols. I could be overthinking it - but Oasis/GNR music was nasty rock n’ roll written by nasty boys, paying tribute to the giants of the generation that preceded them and delivering it with ferocity and arrogance for a 90s audience. Volatile controversial frontmen, substance abuse, revolving line ups, strained inter-band relationships (particularly between the hotheaded lead singers and the softer spoken more introverted guitarists)… and now a costly divorce potentially resulting in a long-coming Uber-profitable reunion? all rock n roll cliches, yes… but certainly parallels to be drawn. will we be seeing the Oasis equivalent of ‘NITL’? If we do, will it last and trudge on like GNR seem to be destined to do? Seems unlikely but the same may have been said about axl n co prior to 2012? Will there be new music? The Gallaghers have pumped out far more than GNR have over the years…. Are these bands even comparable, or am I way off? Let me know your thoughts. Now let's focus on the main difference - The guys in Oasis can still go! I'd really love an Oasis reunion. I managed to catch them live on the Dig Out Your Soul tour and I'd love to see them again. I hope their reunion won't be as much of an uninspired shitfest as NITL. I imagine they'd break up again halfway through the tour though. This is Oasis after all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Cundy Posted May 9, 2023 Author Share Posted May 9, 2023 20 minutes ago, username said: Now let's focus on the main difference - The guys in Oasis can still go! I'd really love an Oasis reunion. I managed to catch them live on the Dig Out Your Soul tour and I'd love to see them again. I hope their reunion won't be as much of an uninspired shitfest as NITL. I imagine they'd break up again halfway through the tour though. This is Oasis after all. DOYS was cool, shock of the lightning is one of my favourite Oasis songs. I think it’ll likely be a lot more hectic. It will be the hooligan event of the century. Every NITL era GNR gig I’ve been to has been pretty civil - the Guns fans seem to be pretty courteous and relaxed. Oasis attracts absolute headers in Britain. I saw NG and the high flying birds (or Potato Gallagher and the low charting turds as Taylor Hawkins would call ‘em; RIP king)…it was the most boring, pedestrian gig ever and the bucket hatted, lager swilling, adidas wearing clientele were STILL fighting and smashing windows outside the arena. Oasis back together would be an absolute yob shitstorm of biblical proportions. Probably pretty fun, but I imagine the police force in the UK are already planning a recruitment drive if the boys come back to town haha. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Cundy Posted May 9, 2023 Author Share Posted May 9, 2023 20 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said: I have to say I've never understood that image you're talking about. As if they're playing Wonderwall in biker bars. Fans and crowds for the heaviest of metal tend far, far, far more laid back and personable than the particular breed of lager swilling lunatics Oasis seem to attract. Oasis just seem to inspire a very specific type of British hooliganism. It was part of their appeal. Coked up lads in bucket hats and parkas who want to fight. It’s more akin to football fandom than music fandom. They were proto-chav heroes - prior to the great gangsta rap/hip-hop revolution of the early 2000s, Oasis were the yobbo icons. I appreciate how British it is. I’ve been to metal/rock gigs where the 7ft bearded dude in full leather gear and a face tattoo will politely step aside if you try to get past. Noel’s gig on the other hand was full of pasty little lads in polo shirts chucking bottles, and sunburnt bald geezers in football jerseys looking for any excuse to punch you in the back of the head. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Cundy Posted May 9, 2023 Author Share Posted May 9, 2023 24 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said: Gangsta rap started in the 90s? The guys you describe need their heads kicked in lol. ‘Chav’ culture really began in the 2000s when white British working class kids got into rap, particularly Eminem, 50 cent… etc. Before there were gold chains and tracksuits, there were bucket hats and football jerseys. As I said, hooligans have always existed, but in the 90s, rather than rappers being the icons, Oasis were. Rap rose to prominence and influenced us more so in the 2000s (in my opinion). I kind of like that they are a weirdly native, distinctively British breed, and a testament to how influential Oasis were … but only really in British culture. I find it funny and weirdly endearing these lads don’t exist around the world, only over here. It’s just a different kind of rock fan. I find alt-metal bros with sleeve tattoos and a love of artisanal coffee, 8 string guitars and craft beer pretty embarrassing.. gimme a silly lad in a parka any day. At least they’re having fun. And oasis music is legitimately exciting enough to change how people dress and act, 30 years after their debut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Cundy Posted May 9, 2023 Author Share Posted May 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said: Ah ok gotcha you were saying became popular in the 2000s; specifically in the UK. The alt-right metal bros you describe are douchebags and so are fantasist soft-as-fuck chavs wearing bucket hats pretending to being Liam Gallagher(I'm a fan but let's be honest he's a soft cunt lol) punching strangers in the back of the head lol. You find that endearing? I obviously didn’t say punching people in the back of the head was endearing did I mate? I just meant the bucket hat brigade are so distinctly and hilariously British, and they’re a testament to the enduring influence of Oasis in the UK and how powerful their music is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Cundy Posted May 9, 2023 Author Share Posted May 9, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said: No, you didn't say punching people in the back of the head is endearing but you seemed to be saying the Oasis fans who do stuff like that, 'they' are endearing. Do you think the Gallagher brothers are tough and if so why? Genuinely asking because my impression is they're like Axl(who I'm also a big fan of) - ultimately mostly all posturing and talking shit. Hiding behind bodyguards. Etc Oasis make a lot of a sense in Britain to British people, hence the subculture that seems to exclusively exist over here. They’re the butt of the joke over here, not in a nasty way, just in the same way people laugh at Peaky Blinders culture, or ‘Live Laugh Love’ mums. It’s a subculture that even Noel hates. I find it endearing how very British and silly it is. It’s our own little thing that can’t be recreated anywhere else. A lot of them just love the music and wanna look like and cosplay Liam. Don’t condone their actions. I do imagine it would get nastier and more hectic than a metal gig if they got back together though. To your second question; no, of course none of them are hard. They’re all about 5”6. Edited May 9, 2023 by Billy Cundy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Cundy Posted May 9, 2023 Author Share Posted May 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said: The combination of the hooligan subculture being toxic bullshit and the fact there is no doubt many worthwhile British things to be proud of, is why I'm compelled to be baffled. I just don't get it. I guess it's reserved/oppressed England having a sort of guilty pleasure and living vicariously. Which I suppose is a general human thing, not just British. leave it out, you’re looking too deeply into what I’m saying. I’m not ‘proud’ of oasis fans or endeared to violence/hooliganism at gigs, I’m just saying it’s interesting to see a distinctly British subculture, that couldn’t exist anywhere else, still around 30 years after a band was relevant. I’m not even English so I couldn’t even take any pride in it if I wanted too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Cundy Posted May 9, 2023 Author Share Posted May 9, 2023 18 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said: Personally I'm not into that. It bothers me. I feel like this relates to how people glorify and romanticize the mafia. One of the reasons I love The Sopranos is it goes out of its way to lambast and mock that. Yeah man, nostalgic Brit’s in parkas getting lairy at an Oasis gig and murderous organised crime gangs are one and the same. I love the sopranos, the happy endings all the characters had really encouraged me to start eating gabagool and killing my friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Cundy Posted May 10, 2023 Author Share Posted May 10, 2023 5 hours ago, Oldest Goat said: They're not on the same scale but they are the same thing imo. Someone living vicariously through dickheads suckerpunching innocent people is a similar mentality to someone not understanding The Sopranos and living vicariously through that. Dunno what your point in the second bit is? You’ve deeply misunderstood and misinterpreted everything I’ve said and subsequently cast weird aspersions on my character haha. No wonder you fall out with everyone on this forum, ya melt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 10 hours ago, Billy Cundy said: Fans and crowds for the heaviest of metal tend far, far, far more laid back and personable than the particular breed of lager swilling lunatics Oasis seem to attract. Oasis just seem to inspire a very specific type of British hooliganism. It was part of their appeal. Coked up lads in bucket hats and parkas who want to fight. It’s more akin to football fandom than music fandom. They were proto-chav heroes - prior to the great gangsta rap/hip-hop revolution of the early 2000s, Oasis were the yobbo icons. I appreciate how British it is. I’ve been to metal/rock gigs where the 7ft bearded dude in full leather gear and a face tattoo will politely step aside if you try to get past. Noel’s gig on the other hand was full of pasty little lads in polo shirts chucking bottles, and sunburnt bald geezers in football jerseys looking for any excuse to punch you in the back of the head. This is very accurate. Even here. Metalheads, in my experience, are generally really chill people looking to have their type of fun. They might try to look scary, but they're mostly chill people. The worst type of crowds, by far, are the retarded whitetrash yobs described here. Because they get absolutely smashed out of their minds drunk and generally don't give a fuck. Music is more of a backdrop for them to which they can display their retardation. Even here Oasis was one of the most rowdy gigs I've been to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Cundy Posted May 10, 2023 Author Share Posted May 10, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Oldest Goat said: Uh oh spaghettios. Nope, you've got the wrong end of the stick on this one. Firstly, I'm genuinely asking here, how have I misunderstood and misinterpreted everything(anything) you've said? What weird aspersions have I cast on your character? Why would I want to do that when I don't even know you and as far as I can recall, up till this point, we've only agreed with each other in discussions? I'm all ears, "ya melt". You are the one who's misunderstood/misinterpreted just like you're the one getting personal. All I've done is think out loud rightly criticising this horrible and embarrassing British subculture - that you brought up btw - because it deserves to be criticised. I'm from NZ which is close with England and I'm 3/4 British and half my family is there. You're not even British apparently so why on Earth are you so uppity? I'm inclined to be critical of my own culture when it's warranted. As for the "No wonder you fallout with everyone on this forum" try NOT believing everything you hear on TV. It's factually not true. Secondly, stop being such an old woman and name who's been telling you this I am 100% certain I won't be at all surprised and will be able to counter. When you don't have a clue what you're on about you should stay out of it and mind your fucking business instead of staggering up to me like a drunk trying to provoke me, trying to get involved in shit that has nothing to do with you. Not reading that essay, sorry lad. Edited May 10, 2023 by Billy Cundy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Cundy Posted May 10, 2023 Author Share Posted May 10, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said: That's it. Get back in line and shut the fuck up and stop crying your heart out, lad. Just felt like you were calling me a cunt who championed violence against innocent people because I mentioned the very definitive Britishness of the oasis fanbase was endearing and interesting in the 2020s. Suddenly I was pro-mafia!! I’m not in any way nationalistic or pro-hooliganism, I love nice happy gigs where everyone is pure chill and everyone’s super nice. I’ve never even moshed. I was just commenting on the Britishness of it all. I like subcultures. I like seeing punks committed enough to music to have a Mohawk. Don’t condone them spitting and fighting, but that is a side effect of rock n’ roll. I like seeing jazz cats in roll neck jumpers and spatz. I don’t condone heroin use or pencil moustaches but some people go all in, don’t they? I am British btw, but I’m not English. I’ll leave you with that little conundrum. Cough.. welsh.. cough. The only country with as many sheep as yours I think. Edited May 10, 2023 by Billy Cundy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 It's nice that you two were arguing at first and then bonded over sheepshagging. Mygnrforum; bringing (awful) people together since 2003! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Cundy Posted May 10, 2023 Author Share Posted May 10, 2023 (edited) @usernameHey, I’m not awful. but I do fuck livestock. Can’t deny that one. Edited May 10, 2023 by Billy Cundy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 I've been to North Wales and there are shitloads of sheep there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Cundy Posted May 10, 2023 Author Share Posted May 10, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, janrichmond said: I've been to North Wales and there are shitloads of sheep there ‘North Waleans are like haemorrhoids… it’s not the end of the world if they come down…. as long as they go back up!’ - anonymous south Walean Just kidding, lovely people and a beautiful part of the country. I’ve done some recording at both Monnow Valley and Rockfield studios down ‘ere in the south. There’s a lot of love for Oasis in Wales. Edited May 10, 2023 by Billy Cundy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 11 hours ago, Billy Cundy said: @usernameHey, I’m not awful. You post on a GnR forum. Of course you're awful. 9 hours ago, janrichmond said: I've been to North Wales and there are shitloads of sheep there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Cundy Posted May 11, 2023 Author Share Posted May 11, 2023 10 minutes ago, username said: You post on a GnR forum. Of course you're awful. Fair play, zero arguing with that 😂 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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