Guns N' Roses to return to the road in 2025

[allwaystired]

3 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

I agree with all that, I just don't see it as a problem if venues go out before the band, or if it doesn't happen simultaneously. Maybe even the band doesn't see it as a problem and decided to spend a few more days making sure they are ready (like fixing the poster for obvious mistakes :)).

I don't think 99.999% of people that could potentially be interested in attending a GN'R show would care, or even know, that venues and the band weren't synchronized on going public at the tour, and it won't affect their decision-making process the slightest. Again, this just seems like us fans making a storm in a teacup, again, over something entirely non-consequential.

I think you're probably right in that most people won't give a shit about this, and will probably not know anything about it. I'm fairly sure it won't impact at all on people's decision whether to go or not and really doesn't actually matter that much. 

But I think others point remains, that as a bunch of people way more engaged with GNR than others (and more than is healthy!) it is remarkable that there is ALWAYS a complication, a mess up, a leak, an error, something. 

That's why people find it amusing/frustrating/ridiculous/whatever I think. 

It's a unique part of the GNR experience! 

[SoulMonster]

Just now, allwaystired said:

But I think others point remains, that as a bunch of people way more engaged with GNR than others (and more than is healthy!) it is remarkable that there is ALWAYS a complication, a mess up, a leak, an error, something. 

My point was also that maybe this isn't a mistake. Maybe the band, being entirely aware that it won't affect sales, is not as concerned over the synchronicity between venue/promoter and band here, as we are, so they perhaps decided to delay the announcement until they were sure everything was correct knowing it wouldn't matter. Maybe they -- and correctly in my opinion -- thought it would reflect much more poorly on them if they went public with a poster that clearly contained mistakes than if they just waiting a few days till everything was okay. It is not like they had already stated they would announce a tour on a specific date (and hence failed to deliver on a promise, again).

[Stiven.DxN.10]

Anybody who was at the Budapest show last year, what were the prices? I'm planning a trip for next year. 

[RoryGallagher86]

5 minutes ago, Stiven.DxN.10 said:

Anybody who was at the Budapest show last year, what were the prices? I'm planning a trip for next year. 

I'm thinking the same, would love to know this too! 

[allwaystired]

11 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

My point was also that maybe this isn't a mistake. Maybe the band, being entirely aware that it won't affect sales, is not as concerned over the synchronicity between venue/promoter and band here, as we are, so they perhaps decided to delay the announcement until they were sure everything was correct knowing it wouldn't matter. Maybe they -- and correctly in my opinion -- thought it would reflect much more poorly on them if they went public with a poster that clearly contained mistakes than if they just waiting a few days till everything was okay. It is not like they had already stated they would announce a tour on a specific date (and hence failed to deliver on a promise, again).

That's a very charitable way of looking at it! 

I do think it was a mistake to be honest, that the dates leaked like that, as the 'big tour announcement' is actually quite a big thing in concert promotion (I have friends in that world) and leaked dates are regarded as a big problem as they lessen the impact....and bands want that initial big impact as so many tickets are initially sold on impulse, especially highly priced ones. 

I would imagine people are pissed off behind the scenes about this one and some people will be up against the wall! 

[SoulMonster]

17 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

That's a very charitable way of looking at it! 

I do think it was a mistake to be honest, that the dates leaked like that, as the 'big tour announcement' is actually quite a big thing in concert promotion (I have friends in that world) and leaked dates are regarded as a big problem as they lessen the impact....and bands want that initial big impact as so many tickets are initially sold on impulse, especially highly priced ones. 

I would imagine people are pissed off behind the scenes about this one and some people will be up against the wall! 

I am a charitable guy!

I thought we agreed this would have no consequences re: concert attendance and hence it can't be thought of as a "big problem" or even a problem at all. You even said, "I'm fairly sure it won't impact at all on people's decision whether to go or not and really doesn't actually matter that much." Yet now you seem to argue as if it matter a lot. 

I agree with the previous you who said it won't matter. If it actually did affect sales, then yes, that would be a problem and someone would deservedly be up against a wall. Now it is just another example of sleuthing fans figuring out of things a bit too early, this time where the band intends to tour, but with no practical consequences for the band. It is a trivial thing blown out of proportions by fans. 

[Blackstar]

1 hour ago, PatrickS77 said:

Actually, it is a bit unusual.

I seem to remember it happening before. It was mostly the case of festival organizers announcing the lineup before the artists, but there have been cases of standalone concerts, too.

And, if I'm not mistaken regarding the 2025 tour, there haven't been official announcements from the local venues/promoters really so far (with the exception of the billboards in Lithuania - and the festival in Germany?). The rest is unofficial announcements, teasing or strong rumours.

[allwaystired]

5 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

I am a charitable guy!

I thought we agreed this would have no consequences re: concert attendance and hence it can't be thought of as a "big problem" or even a problem at all. You even said, "I'm fairly sure it won't impact at all on people's decision whether to go or not and really doesn't actually matter that much." Yet now you seem to argue as if it matter a lot. 

I agree with the previous you who said it won't matter. If it actually did affect sales, then yes, that would be a problem and someone would deservedly be up against a wall. Now it is just another example of sleuthing fans figuring out of things a bit too early, this time where the band intends to tour, but with no practical consequences for the band. It is a trivial thing blown out of proportions by fans. 

Yeah, I did contradict myself a bit there! 

Well, personally I don't think it makes a difference (and it wouldn't to me) but it is definitely seen and considered in the industry to make a difference.

It's why they have very strict embargoes on these announcements. Most major media places will have these dates now, but would potentially face legal action if they printed them. Not that that legal action would ever happen obviously....but they would ruin their standing with promoters and getting exclusives/access etc. 

There's another side to it too, in that local promoters and venues can get very angry about it, if their venue is losing attention to another location that has leaked out while theirs hasn't. 

There's a lot of politics in this world- the order that stuff gets announced in can get very complex. It's why you often see bands announced for a festival before their own tour dates- that festival promoter will have paid a premium for that few days/weeks attention on their festival. 

[PatrickS77]

45 minutes ago, RoryGallagher86 said:

I'm thinking the same, would love to know this too! 

Does it matter? Prices won't be/doesn't have to be the same this year. Last year I paid 38 900 HUF for FOS.

[PatrickS77]

26 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

I am a charitable guy!

I thought we agreed this would have no consequences re: concert attendance and hence it can't be thought of as a "big problem" or even a problem at all. You even said, "I'm fairly sure it won't impact at all on people's decision whether to go or not and really doesn't actually matter that much." Yet now you seem to argue as if it matter a lot. 

I agree with the previous you who said it won't matter. If it actually did affect sales, then yes, that would be a problem and someone would deservedly be up against a wall. Now it is just another example of sleuthing fans figuring out of things a bit too early, this time where the band intends to tour, but with no practical consequences for the band. It is a trivial thing blown out of proportions by fans. 

Well. For sure it won't affect sales. People are gonna buy or not, the way concerts are announced won't change that. But on whether it's a mistake, it depends on which philosphy you follow. Do you want to have the maximum impact and release it all at once with a bang or release dates one after the other, like some acts do, which is highly annoying for the fan, not knowing whether they should buy now or wait for a better date or create some buzz and get people talking by "accidently" leaking the information, then pulling it, to then release it all at once to a public that is already waiting for it. I still question how or who got a hold of that link (with the information that shouldn't have been accessible to anyone, if you follow the first philosophy)?? 

Edited November 28, 2024 by PatrickS77

[JimiRose]

2 hours ago, PatrickS77 said:

All the venues/promoters have to take care of 1 date, theirs. GNR have to take care of all the dates. I'd imagine there are many moving parts behind the scenes. And they want to announce, once everything is lined up. Maybe there is another date coming, maybe 1 or 2 dates will be moved. Could be many issues. The main fuck up is, that some clown put the dates on a website that is accessible from the outside and that individual promoters were not told to keep their mouths shut until they get the getgo from GNR. We would not have an idea of what is going on, if that wouldn't have happened. And lets not act like all their tour announcements have been like that. This is the first time a major blunder happened.

Yes but they were probably also told that this was the date they were being released and would have pre scheduled the announcements, then last minute as usual GnR say they have fucked up need to delay and then that message doesnt necessarily get to everyone in time. If GnR just stuck to the initial plan and delivered it, then it'd be fine. oits not like they havent had 12 months to plan this

1 hour ago, SoulMonster said:

I agree with all that, I just don't see it as a problem if venues go out before the band, or if it doesn't happen simultaneously. Maybe even the band doesn't see it as a problem and decided to spend a few more days making sure they are ready (like fixing the poster for obvious mistakes :)).

I don't think 99.999% of people that could potentially be interested in attending a GN'R show would care, or even know, that venues and the band weren't synchronized on going public at the tour, and it won't affect their decision-making process the slightest. Again, this just seems like us fans making a storm in a teacup, again, over something entirely non-consequential.

It's another chapter that fits in with the overall story arc. the story being one of incompetence and unreliability. which when parting with money, in the current climate, is not something that should be taken lightly. 

[SoulMonster]

15 minutes ago, JimiRose said:

It's another chapter that fits in with the overall story arc. the story being one of incompetence and unreliability. which when parting with money, in the current climate, is not something that should be taken lightly. 

You are worried that the incompetence will result in the shows being cancelled or something? I am not afraid of that, and if it happens I trust I will get my money back.

[gavgnr]

23 minutes ago, JimiRose said:

If GnR just stuck to the initial plan and delivered it

New album title incoming 

[Ratam]

People that put Vienna, It need an map of the world.....

[stezmacc]

Reckon we’ll get the official announcement tomorrow? Swear everytime they have announced a euro tour it’s been on the last Friday of November? Annoyingly when u need to save money for Christmas! Got a feeling the Birmingham UK date might be Villa park? 

[rocknroll41]

4 minutes ago, stezmacc said:

Reckon we’ll get the official announcement tomorrow? Swear everytime they have announced a euro tour it’s been on the last Friday of November? Annoyingly when u need to save money for Christmas! Got a feeling the Birmingham UK date might be Villa park? 

Word on the street is that the announcement is delayed to Monday.

[Coma16]

1 hour ago, stezmacc said:

Reckon we’ll get the official announcement tomorrow? Swear everytime they have announced a euro tour it’s been on the last Friday of November? Annoyingly when u need to save money for Christmas! Got a feeling the Birmingham UK date might be Villa park? 

I have it on good word of authority that announcement is coming on Saturday.

[Italian girl]

On 11/25/2024 at 6:59 PM, DoMw94 said:

Yes it was. I had the page up while booking hotels. It was even linked in this thread when it was live!

Here he comes: The second most boring user on this board.

I'll ignore you too.

[allwaystired]

1 hour ago, stezmacc said:

Reckon we’ll get the official announcement tomorrow? Swear everytime they have announced a euro tour it’s been on the last Friday of November? Annoyingly when u need to save money for Christmas! Got a feeling the Birmingham UK date might be Villa park? 

Yeah it was, I saw the website page before it got taken down. 

[DoMw94]

49 minutes ago, Italian girl said:

Here he comes: The second most boring user on this board.

I'll ignore you too.

Where's that come from? Totally uncalled for.

[Axl_morris]

I booked my Birmingham flight.

I've booked a flight to a show that hasn't been announced.

I'm insane. 

[Stiven.DxN.10]

8 minutes ago, Axl_morris said:

I booked my Birmingham flight.

I've booked a flight to a show that hasn't been announced.

I'm insane. 

I feel you! Did this for Budapest and Sofia. We def have stockholm's syndrome. 

[PatrickS77]

7 hours ago, JimiRose said:

Yes but they were probably also told that this was the date they were being released and would have pre scheduled the announcements, then last minute as usual GnR say they have fucked up need to delay and then that message doesnt necessarily get to everyone in time. If GnR just stuck to the initial plan and delivered it, then it'd be fine. oits not like they havent had 12 months to plan this

It's another chapter that fits in with the overall story arc. the story being one of incompetence and unreliability. which when parting with money, in the current climate, is not something that should be taken lightly. 

How is it incompetence if they noticed a problem and decided to fix it, before releasing all dates and then having to change things? You don't know what the hold up is. Maybe it is out of their hands and all dates are fixed, but one needs more work. Again, they have to take care of all the dates and rely on 20 different promoters in different countries. But yeah, the most easiest thing is to blame GNR. I'm sure they are not the first band having an anouncement delayed. We just usually don't hear of it and really, it makes absolutely no difference if it is announced a week earlier or a week later, so fuck any arbitrary deadline. It is bettter to announce stuff when everything is sealed.

And yeah, like Soulmonster said, if a concert is cancelled, you get your money back. So there is no real issue there.

Edited November 28, 2024 by PatrickS77

[GigdealBigegg]

Where is the London show?

[opalho]

8 minutes ago, GigdealBigegg said:

Where is the London show?

I think Wembley Stadium.