Who is the woman at the start of The Garden? (EDIT: Erin Everly most likely)

[StrangerInThisTown]

3 hours ago, Blackstar said:

I don't know who it is, but it's not very likely that it's Erin, because the voice is in the demo, too, which was probably recorded before Axl and Erin met.

Wasn't the poem Axl wrote, that became the lyrics to SCOM, about her? And SCOM was already written and even demoed in the studio in '86. the same year that this demo is also from. So that poem existed even before SCOM even existed, which means he had already met her. How wouldn't this line up? You must be talking a very short timespan where they wouldn't have met in 86 for this to be right. Maybe a matter of mere weeks.

Edited August 1 by StrangerInThisTown

[Blackstar]

5 minutes ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

Wasn't the poem Axl wrote, that became the lyrics to SCOM, about her? And SCOM was already written and even demoed in the studio in '86. the same year that the demo is also from.

Yeah, Axl and Erin met some time in the first months of 1986. But the West Arkeen demos are probably earlier than that (e.g. Bad Obsession was written a year before Mr. Brownstone was written).

[StrangerInThisTown]

7 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Yeah, Axl and Erin met some time in the first months of 1986. But the West Arkeen demos are probably earlier than that (e.g. Bad Obsession was written a year before Mr. Brownstone was written).

What makes you think those demos are earlier than the first months of 1986? Given the short timespan we're talking I think it's more likely than it is unlikely that they had already met. Bad Obsession was written in 1985, but who knows when they recorded the demo? They could not have gone and recorded it very fast after they wrote it, it could have happened months later. As far as I know, or always thought, those demos come from 1986.

Edited August 1 by StrangerInThisTown

[StrangerInThisTown]

4 hours ago, Rindmelon said:

Here https://krakenfiles.com/view/oLrLMTPQ97/file.html

It really does sound like Erins voice. That posters thought it was Axl, and that it was case closed, is literally unbelieveable to me lmao.

Here's another clip of her talking:

 

Edited August 1 by StrangerInThisTown

[Blackstar]

16 minutes ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

What makes you think those demos are earlier than the first months of 1986? Given the short timespan we're talking I think it's more likely than it is unlikely that they had already met. Bad Obsession was written in 1985, but who knows when they recorded the demo? They could not have gone and recorded it very fast after they wrote it, it could have happened months later. As far as I know, or always thought, those demos come from 1986.

There is no concrete information about when exactly those demos were recorded. It has been assumed that it was in 1986 because fans have referred to them as the "Hell House demos", but it's not certain they were recorded during the "Hell House" days. In fact, Duff here says they were recorded in West Arkeen's apartment (when Duff and West lived in the same apartment block) before GN'R had a rehearsal space, which would be in 1985:

https://www.a-4-d.com/t6546-2011-05-16-the-a-v-club-set-list-duff-mckagan

(Duff obviously confused 14 Years with Bad Obsession)

Edited August 1 by Blackstar

[StrangerInThisTown]

42 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

There is no concrete information about when exactly those demos were recorded. It has been assumed that it was in 1986 because fans have referred to them as the "Hell House demos", but it's not certain they were recorded during the "Hell House" days. In fact, Duff here says they were recorded in West Arkeen's apartment (when Duff and West lived in the same apartment block) before GN'R had a rehearsal space, which would be in 1985:

https://www.a-4-d.com/t6546-2011-05-16-the-a-v-club-set-list-duff-mckagan

(Duff obviously confused 14 Years with Bad Obsession)

Okay if he had mentioned The Garden among them that would be very clear proof that it's from 1985, but he didn't, so it's back to speculation if it's from the Hell House sessions or not. That he didn't mention it is a slight indication pointing more in the direction that it's not from those apartment sessions.

Given that we can only be talking about a matter of a few months, if not weeks, here, I'm going with that it's Erin. We may never find out for sure, but saying that it's "unlikely" is far-fetched to me. If we only had this to go on, ok I wouldn't be so sure, but finding out that the voice also actually matches hers that much, is what makes it more likely than unlikely in my opinion.

 

Also reading that, where the hell is the "cool little lazy summertime hit" demo version of It's So Easy? I need to hear that shit

 

Edited August 1 by StrangerInThisTown

[Blackstar]

8 minutes ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

Okay if he had mentioned The Garden among them that would be very clear proof that it's from 1985, but he didn't, so it's back to speculation if it's from the Hell House sessions or not.

Given that we can only be talking about a matter of a few months, if not weeks, here, I'm going with that it's Erin. We may never find out for sure, but saying that it's "unlikely" is far-fetched to me. If we only had this to go on, ok I wouldn't be so sure, but finding out that the voice also actually matches hers that much, is what makes it more likely than unlikely in my opinion.

 

Also reading that, where the hell is the "cool little lazy summertime hit" demo version of It's So Easy? I need to hear that shit

 

I'm not saying that it's 100% not Erin. But there were many girls around the band in those early days, so it could have been any of them.

Even though Duff didn't mention The Garden specifically, it is assumed that all those demos came from the same sessions. Based on what Duff says it would have been during the very early days of the band, around June-July 1985 (they probably rented the Sunset & Gardner studio space around August 1985).

[D4NNY]

17 minutes ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

Given that we can only be talking about a matter of a few months, if not weeks, here, I'm going with that it's Erin. We may never find out for sure, but saying that it's "unlikely" is far-fetched to me. If we only had this to go on, ok I wouldn't be so sure, but finding out that the voice also actually matches hers that much, is what makes it more likely than unlikely in my opinion

In all seriousness though, if it was a women’s voice, given how many “groupies” they had around (a lot) it could be someone they don’t even know anymore and couldn’t remember if we asked them. I like my guess about Erin, it would be a cool little cameo from her but with all the women they knew in the mid to late 80’s it could also be a complete stranger. Could also be Axl of course but I just can’t hear it myself. Some things are just meant to remain a mystery. 

[StrangerInThisTown]

1 hour ago, Blackstar said:

I'm not saying that it's 100% not Erin. But there were many girls around the band in those early days, so it could have been any of them.

Even though Duff didn't mention The Garden specifically, it is assumed that all those demos came from the same sessions. Based on what Duff says it would have been during the very early days of the band, around June-July 1985 (they probably rented the Sunset & Gardner studio space around August 1985).

I concur I guess there's just too many unknowables here in this case to really reach a conclusion. I'm adamant the voice is Erin dead on, comparing it several times. Maybe this is one that CSI:MYGNR can't solve. 

1 hour ago, D4NNY said:

In all seriousness though, if it was a women’s voice, given how many “groupies” they had around (a lot) it could be someone they don’t even know anymore and couldn’t remember if we asked them. I like my guess about Erin, it would be a cool little cameo from her but with all the women they knew in the mid to late 80’s it could also be a complete stranger. Could also be Axl of course but I just can’t hear it myself. Some things are just meant to remain a mystery. 

Right, but I can atleast congratulate you on that you have a great set of working ears mate, unlike those nutbags here who insist that's fucking Axl You literally HAVE to feel like a fucking idiot after hearing that isolated vocal version that @Rindmelon posted.

Atleast we can conclude that's definitely not Axl but a girl. But it is interesting they kept and used the same vocal 5 years later on UYI if it's just some random groupie chick. One would wonder if she ever even found out she's on the album..

Edited August 1 by StrangerInThisTown

[jacdaniel]

I bet you could ask Slash this question and even he wouldn’t have a clue 

[evilfacelessturtle]

Not every female voice or song about a woman is about Erin or Stephanie.

I swear, it's only a matter of time before one of y'all says My Michelle is about Erin.

[History2010]

Genius says it's a child's voice. But there's no source for that info. I think there's a decent chance it could be a sample taken from something else. 

[evilfacelessturtle]

On 8/2/2024 at 8:18 PM, History2010 said:

Genius says it's a child's voice. But there's no source for that info. I think there's a decent chance it could be a sample taken from something else. 

I actually did the lyrics for that song on Genius. I've been a contributor for a while. I didn't really think much about it, it sounded like a child to me, but maybe it's not.

[F*ck Fear]

I always just assumed it was one of 'The bitches" that get credited in Coma.

[2020_Intensions]

Always assumed it was Axl. He does sound a lot like the recorded version when he did it live in '93. But if you go back and listen to it now after having this question in your head, it is very clear that it is NOT Axl. 

[axlvai]

On 8/4/2024 at 9:21 AM, F*ck Fear said:

I always just assumed it was one of 'The bitches" that get credited in Coma.

That can be correct. I was on that idea too.

[StrangerInThisTown]

20 hours ago, axlvai said:

That can be correct. I was on that idea too.

I would agree if it hadn't been for the same vocal being already on the demo from 5-6 years earlier.

[Thood9]

All these years I assumed it with either Axl or Shannon Hoon..🤷‍♂️

[Rovim]

4 hours ago, Thood9 said:

All these years I assumed it with either Axl or Shannon Hoon..🤷‍♂️

I was certain it was Chaka Khan

[Karice]

19 hours ago, Thood9 said:

All these years I assumed it with either Axl or Shannon Hoon..🤷‍♂️

Shannon Hoon is a real possibility to think about. Shannon Hoon had that high pitched voice. 🤔💡 RIP to Shannon, a true angel.  😇

[Karice]

21 hours ago, Rovim said:

I was certain it was Chaka Khan

Yeah, no. I can't see Chaka Kahn collaborating with Axl. Chaka is R&B, Axl is Hard Rock. Two VERY different Genres. Although Aerosmith l, a Hard Rock Band collaborated with Run DMC, a Hip Hop Group, so you never know. I still can't see Chaka and Axl collaborating though. 🤔💡

[77Jesters]

I'm sure I've read it's Shannon Hoon before, can't recall who said it or where, but sounds probable to me.

[rcktqveen]

On 8/1/2024 at 7:04 PM, Karice said:

😱☢️🤔💡

 

On 8/1/2024 at 7:04 PM, Karice said:

Speaking of Demos, I remember asking if Back Off Bitch was about Erin , 😱☢️IIRC, Soul Monster said that Back Off Bitch was actually written around 1982 before Erin and Axl met. 🤔💡

Not really sure, but isn't it about Axl's ex-gf Gina Siler, who moved in with him to LA in 1982, then kicked him out in 1983 due to his "anger issues"? 

https://www.a-4-d.com/t540-1991-09-dd-spin-guns-n-neuroses-axl

Allegedly, Shadow Of Your Love is written about her, toospan widgetspan widget

Edited August 9 by rcktqveen
Accidentally quoting twice

[Blackstar]

5 hours ago, 77Jesters said:

I'm sure I've read it's Shannon Hoon before, can't recall who said it or where, but sounds probable to me.

It's not, because the voice is also on the demo from 1985/86 and Shannon Hoon was not in the picture then.

4 hours ago, rcktqveen said:

 

Not really sure, but isn't it about Axl's ex-gf Gina Siler, who moved in with him to LA in 1982, then kicked him out in 1983 due to his "anger issues"? 

https://www.a-4-d.com/t540-1991-09-dd-spin-guns-n-neuroses-axl

Allegedly, Shadow Of Your Love is written about her, toospan widgetspan widget

I don't think these songs were necessarily about someone in particular. Shadow Of Your Love was inspired by Thin Lizzy.

[2020_Intensions]

I have a question ... What is the meaning or purpose of "No I wont" at the start of the song? Do we have that answer?