More locker stuff? Tom Zutaut

[D4NNY]

10 hours ago, gunsnchalupas said:

I would say he is very insecure and afraid of the songs getting out there, but then there are all those stories of him excitingly trapping people into listening to Chinese Democracy demos while he explains which dead Beatle the bridge of each song is a tribute to. 

It's incredibly strange that they got back together in 2016 and it took them 5 years to start releasing new music. Especially when you consider that they didn't even have to write new stuff because Axl conservatively had a 40 minute album already finished. Also consider, that music only came out after the Village leaks. It is entirely possible that if that stuff never leaked, we don't get any of those singles. 

You can be a fan and also admit that this band does not operate in an optimal fashion. 

This is the most normal post you've ever posted.. 

[D..]

15 hours ago, jamillos said:

Yeah but I'd say you're overthinking it a bit. He's had two decades to figure that shit out. And when stuff did leak, fuck all happened. And when HS leaked, suddenly he didn't need another decade to finally release it, did he. He's not made of candy, you know. 

When things leak, it's out there, so you don't really have a choice. A lot of what was released between 2008 & now was influenced by the leaks.

And yeah @gunsnchalupas Axl used to (maybe he still does) have songs on his phone or a usb key and some people were lucky enough to hear some unheard songs & stories. Happened to someone I met years ago, he told me he was invited in some kind of minibus with Axl, they were drinking beers and Axl made him listen to some songs & remix with cool anecdotes. He likes to give surprises to people, but that's when he wants to, when he feels like it and is in a particular mood. When I met him in 2010, he was nice to everyone but you could clearly tell he was kind of annoyed (we were waiting just in front of a hotel in Oslo, I didn't like that idea, it's like being a stalker), he was just doing his best to act professionally, sign autographs & take pictures. You could feel he is very private guy. Richard Fortus was kind of the same. Bumblefoot on the other hand clearly enjoyed those kind of interactions, everyone is wired differently. I think the best situations happen when it's by chance, when you don't force things.

[Guest]

Just a few thoughts on this...

Jeff Greenberg who worked at the village and later bought it in 2007 had the studio's paperwork system modernised years ago to the same system another used (might be Conway, I forget) Anyway the point is the tracking numbers for locker discs (J287 n' so forth) were literally just on paperwork back in the early 2000's however that information will have been migrated over to there newer internal system when the studio was being updated by Greenbeerg and Al Schmitt.

Basically if the stuff Zoot was phoned about was from village studios, then GN'R's lawyers will know what it is likely to be as they will have an itinerary of exactly what Zoot had access to. If it was village stuff then I would imagine that they would be J tracked discs as opposed to Universal internal CD's (which have the owner's name printed on them) as he was fired from the project before it's likely any of those were made.

It would be mildly interesting to know if he informed the concerned party when this stuff was originally stolen, i hope for his sake he did.

[gunsnchalupas]

8 hours ago, D4NNY said:

This is the most normal post you've ever posted.. 

Thank you. I will show wifey (my wife) next time she argues that I shouldn't be on "that guns n roses website".

[Karice]

3 hours ago, gunsnchalupas said:

Thank you. I will show wifey (my wife) next time she argues that I shouldn't be on "that guns n roses website".

LMAO! 🤣🤭 But to be fair, she probably read that ROMANTIC "Stranded in a California Snowstorm," thread you wrote about how DREAMY Axl was and her thoughts were 😵‍💫

[colonizedmind]

On 11/15/2024 at 1:19 PM, janrichmond said:

I agree that he should be able to show us, the legal letter he received pointed out that the comments section in his video shows him confirming that there is music, and that is what called attention to the situation. Had it been just memorabilia items then there would not be an issue. 

Guns N Roses (Axl!) must be the only artist on planet earth that actively tries to stop music coming out, by any means, at all costs.
It's hilarious, as that kinda defeats the purpose of being an artist...the antithesis of what almost all of them do! 

I've sometimes wondered, say if it was the reverse and music was profitable and touring not so much, would we be getting yearly releases and a tour every 10 years?
Mind, probably a new version of "Greatest Hits" with a random new outtake each time 

Once upon a time this wasn't the story...
While a decently long wait between Appetite and Illusions, they did put out Lies and Illusions was basically 3 LPs in one, in terms of track count...then even a tour album in Spaghetti shortly after...they were doing well, normal even then...
Then classic fame, power, money, ego and LSD problem. The Lead.Singer.Disorder kind too...

So what changed? I guess we have to put it down to experience and business but probably mostly experience, as plenty of "old skl" acts still put out work from time to time.
The Chinese debacle killed all the joy from making music for Axl...he said a lot of things in that era and made a lot of statements and hardly any of it came to fruition, so it's a bit embarrassing and he's surely too proud to go through all that again, ever! IF anything ever came, it wouldn't surprise me if we woke up one morning and it's OUT. Surprise release. No hype. That would be awesome, let's be honest! 
However, now that there's not really a financial incentive, while it frustrates, I kinda can understand why Axl won't go there...
It must have totally burned him and he's moved on and probably doesn't want to return and open old wounds, he seems quite happy and chill these days, for better and worse...
So for us, sadly I'd bet my house that we'll never see from the ground up, a new GNR record ever...Shame, as recent evidence shows Axl's still decent and well Slash and Duff have been match fit since they turned like 17...
Maybe we need a petition, have we ever tried that? Maybe send it to the Swift fans and tell them Axl's dumped Lana for them - they'll support anyone that worships Taylor....
 

Edited November 18, 2024 by colonizedmind

[evilfacelessturtle]

11 minutes ago, colonizedmind said:

he said a lot of things in that era and made a lot of statements and hardly any of it came to fruition, so it's a bit embarrassing and he's surely too proud to go through all that again

Here's an interesting question: would we rather have lots of mysterious teases about what is coming next, like the CD era, or radio silence until something does, like post reunion? I think I like the teasing and mystery. It would at least give us something to talk about, not to mention build up hype so the releases don't go unnoticed like the NITL singles have.

[Gordon Comstock]

7 minutes ago, evilfacelessturtle said:

Here's an interesting question: would we rather have lots of mysterious teases about what is coming next, like the CD era, or radio silence until something does, like post reunion? I think I like the teasing and mystery. It would at least give us something to talk about, not to mention build up hype so the releases don't go unnoticed like the NITL singles have.

 

At this point the result of either option is cynicism.

"We haven't heard them talk about anything, so obviously they aren't doing anything."

"We heard about this epic called The General 20 years before it was released and it was an over-hyped piece of shit. Don't hype up unheard songs."

The 2nd option is basically what happened when Duff mentioned "Amen". I don't think there's any scenario where Absurd or The General get a generally positive reaction, but production aside, at least stuff like Hardschool or Perhaps might have been better-received as album tracks. The answer is to drop an album of tracks at once, the roll-out doesn't really matter for a legacy band but it's easier for this audience to judge an album over random singles.

[Rovim]

2 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

At this point the result of either option is cynicism.

"We haven't heard them talk about anything, so obviously they aren't doing anything."

"We heard about this epic called The General 20 years before it was released and it was an over-hyped piece of shit. Don't hype up unheard songs."

The 2nd option is basically what happened when Duff mentioned "Amen". I don't think there's any scenario where Absurd or The General get a generally positive reaction, but production aside, at least stuff like Hardschool or Perhaps might have been better-received as album tracks. The answer is to drop an album of tracks at once, the roll-out doesn't really matter for a legacy band but it's easier for this audience to judge an album over random singles.

is Axl ready to be judged in that way where it's a full album? does he have the incentive to put one out quickly and is such an album with Slash and Duff add ons even exists?

Absurd was the first single released with Slash so how much does Axl care about how the material is received? I think it's more like finishing what he started so it's still Chinese but now it's old and it's piece by piece so gives the advantage of it can't be judged as harshly as a full release.

[izzyjim]

5 hours ago, colonizedmind said:

Guns N Roses (Axl!) must be the only artist on planet earth that actively tries to stop music coming out, by any means, at all costs.
It's hilarious, as that kinda defeats the purpose of being an artist...the antithesis of what almost all of them do! 

Good thing you're not a Prince fan

[SoulMonster]

7 hours ago, colonizedmind said:

Guns N Roses (Axl!) must be the only artist on planet earth that actively tries to stop music coming out, by any means, at all costs.

You talking about the guy who released four singles over the last few years? Obviously, he wants the music to come out on his terms and fights to prevent leaks. Like most artists. Nothing different there. The difference is that he just spends incredibly long to get his music out. 

[GNR 1991]

Axl could've kept this reunion cashgrab go on for 8+ years without releasing any of the four singles. He decided to rerecord these leftovers with Slash and Duff and ultimately release them when he didn't have to. Ideally and selfishly, I think unloading the rest of all the Chinese leftovers and plopping them on an album instead of dripfeeding singles every 2 years is the way to go. Unfortunately, I think it's been reported that Slash and Duff only recorded these 5-6 tracks so that's all there is. Would love to be wrong.

[colonizedmind]

4 hours ago, izzyjim said:

Good thing you're not a Prince fan

Funny thing is....Prince is probably my favourite artist of all time...

He fed us almost 40 albums during life though despite the crazy lawsuits

...

[colonizedmind]

3 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

You talking about the guy who released four singles over the last few years? Obviously, he wants the music to come out on his terms and fights to prevent leaks. Like most artists. Nothing different there. The difference is that he just spends incredibly long to get his music out. 

My point stands....those releases feel like reason to tour products...

As far as we know other than signing off, Axl hasn't done any work on them since pre 2008...Slash and Duff and perhaps Fortus and others but it seems Axl hasn't touched them, just signed off mixes....

So it's not like he's tinkering until it's ready like you are implying...if anything, most of the songs could have used a second/third verse and to actually be finished to the same perfectionist standard he set up until CD. If he had put 10% effort in, we could have had a couple of new really awesome tunes....

Edited November 18, 2024 by colonizedmind

[SoulMonster]

Just now, colonizedmind said:

My point stands....those releases feel like reason to tour products...

Still, if he was actively trying to prevent music come out, he wouldn't be releasing music.

[colonizedmind]

3 hours ago, GNR 1991 said:

Axl could've kept this reunion cashgrab go on for 8+ years without releasing any of the four singles. He decided to rerecord these leftovers with Slash and Duff and ultimately release them when he didn't have to. Ideally and selfishly, I think unloading the rest of all the Chinese leftovers and plopping them on an album instead of dripfeeding singles every 2 years is the way to go. Unfortunately, I think it's been reported that Slash and Duff only recorded these 5-6 tracks so that's all there is. Would love to be wrong.

Those quotes are debatable as Slash didn't exactly say and was just thinking out loud....also they're years old, if we believe Duff, there seems to be more than that and who knows, they may have added since quotes were made....

If anything, there's nothing stopping them competing a few more and putting out an album, surely there's enough material if Axl circa 2014. Is to be believed 

Edited November 18, 2024 by colonizedmind

[colonizedmind]

1 minute ago, SoulMonster said:

Still, if he was actively trying to prevent music come out, he wouldn't be releasing music.

Ok dude, don't act autistic... Obviously I was using hyperbole to make a point, I think most people will back my point that out of all the big bands of the last 45 years, we are the most starved fans with still all active members living....

Things could change...I live in hope but sigh in fear.

[SoulMonster]

4 minutes ago, colonizedmind said:

Ok dude, don't act autistic... Obviously I was using hyperbole to make a point, I think most people will back my point that out of all the big bands of the last 45 years, we are the most starved fans with still all active members living....

Definitely. I just disagree with the idea that Axl doesn't want to release music. The four recent singles proves he does. The problem isn't that he doesn't want to, but that he isn't able to (at least not in a timely fashion). If he didn't want to release more music then it would be over.              

[colonizedmind]

32 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Definitely. I just disagree with the idea that Axl doesn't want to release music. The four recent singles proves he does. The problem isn't that he doesn't want to, but that he isn't able to (at least not in a timely fashion). If he didn't want to release more music then it would be over.              

Well you can have a variance of desire, right? 

The gage of that can tip in either realities favour....

If he was really keen (despite all the baggage) and artistically Inspired, it's highly likely an album would have popped out in the last 16 years! 

Because the history of the industry tells us that...Even The Cure are back!

....And that is where we are missing each others point...those singles don't really prove Axl wants to make music...as all the music he contributed to them were done in a different era, when he was productive...and they seem to be throw out there tracks (btw I quite like them for balance) just on the method of delivery and non comment aspects alone...

"Not being able to" is vague...there's a lot of psychology behind that...

[SoulMonster]

14 minutes ago, colonizedmind said:

Well you can have a variance of desire, right? 

The gage of that can tip in either realities favour....

If he was really keen (despite all the baggage) and artistically Inspired, it's highly likely an album would have popped out in the last 16 years! 

Because the history of the industry tells us that...Even The Cure are back!

....And that is where we are missing each others point...those singles don't really prove Axl wants to make music...as all the music he contributed to them were done in a different era, when he was productive...and they seem to be throw out there tracks (btw I quite like them for balance) just on the method of delivery and non comment aspects alone...

"Not being able to" is vague...there's a lot of psychology behind that...

Absolutely. But it is far from your comment that he doesn't want to release music and is actively fighting against it, even with exaggeration. 

[bojan]

The bottom line is - if a band wants to write/record an album they just f'n do it.

The recipe for a constructive recording session is to leave all other things aside (egos, wives, management included), lock yourself in a mansion/castle/haunted house wherever the fuck (ala Exile on main street, Blood Sugar Sex Magic) and flash out those songs from scratch/ideas/riffs and turn them into finished songs.

Yes, it was easier to do it before (no substance help this time) but it can be done as long as all are ready to be outside of their comfort zone and wipe their own ass, so to say.

 

Rant over, I feel a little better 

[bojan]

Another story altogether is whether it is commercially profitable, that shouldn't be of an interest to an artist who wants to put his work out there.

To quote a former employee, it's not fuckin' brain surgery 🙂

[colonizedmind]

5 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

Absolutely. But it is far from your comment that he doesn't want to release music and is actively fighting against it, even with exaggeration. 

Well, if it makes you happy, I'll reword it ever so slightly....doesn't want to release new music...for his band. Are you gonna argue against that?

[SoulMonster]

8 minutes ago, colonizedmind said:

Well, if it makes you happy, I'll reword it ever so slightly....doesn't want to release new music...for his band. Are you gonna argue against that?

No, not at all . It doesn't even seem he wants to record new music, at least not until he is finished with the old material. 

[colonizedmind]

6 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

Definitely. I just disagree with the idea that Axl doesn't want to release music. The four recent singles proves he does. The problem isn't that he doesn't want to, but that he isn't able to (at least not in a timely fashion). If he didn't want to release more music then it would be over.              

I think the easiest way to put for you is mathematical terms....I'm not saying conclusively, Fort Knox door slammed in our faces music locked....but I'm saying his actions for decades speak to someone that is 95% (generous) not concerned with releasing (and certainly NOT making it from scratch) music.

He's 5% concerned and it took (it seems) a massive leak and the likelihood of future ones to finally throw a few bones...

Just as well, as at this point official Guns have been taken over by in the unofficially released discography department which, for Axl, as a control freak, has to be a disaster in wanting to control your own narrative department 

Edited November 18, 2024 by colonizedmind