madison Posted November 29, 2002 Share Posted November 29, 2002 Axl and GNR are facing a different world than the one they left a decade ago. Music is far more splintered with different fans being drawn to different sounds: Some fans back pop fluff like Pink, others go for nu-metal, some rally behind the older bands like U2 and Aerosmith, and still others back the hip hop sound. And there's not a lot of crossover. At the same time, music is changing and fans seem to be restless -- similar to the way it was in the late 80s and early 90s. Fans seem to be moving toward music with an edgier sound. My question is .. do you think one band -- like GNR -- can once again win the recognition and respect of all music fans? Can one band dominate the industry again? What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupid_Moron Posted November 29, 2002 Share Posted November 29, 2002 Yes they can and yes they will! ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkAboutYou Posted November 29, 2002 Share Posted November 29, 2002 Axl needs to work very hard to convince the world that GNR is as good as the original band.The 3 year tour is a very good idea, axl needs to not listen to the critics, and let the music speak.I'm sure the albums will kick ass, I just hope they will get the appreciation they will deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_Guns Posted November 29, 2002 Share Posted November 29, 2002 Yes they canG-Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holydiver Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 based on the "fact" that this is a "new" band i don't believe it will be able to achieve the same as the old one. maybe it becomes one of the biggest bands of our time but that doesn't mean it has conquerred the world, right ? i believe it is able to make good music but not to start a new way of thinking/acting as the old one did.. what makes me think that? i don't know exactly.. it's axl who is older now... it's the other guys who obviously don't have 1/10 of the attitude the old members had, it's the image axl is selling these few last months that indicates he'll go for the more mainstream side.. i just fell it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnrlies Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 I think its got to do with the way fans perceive music.well not in this particular instance i dont think this kind of think is possible (total world domination) mbe in a few years when the world is fully over the whole "alternative / anti sellout" craze this can happen. (by the way what im refering to is the wave that nirvana started whereby if a band played to a crowd over 40 000 people they are to be considered sellouts)But i mean no new band after GNR has had the same success as them.. I mean its only the oldies liek ac/dc etc who can fill stads like GNR did. No new band has! I mean there has been bands like RHCP who have written new music etc and can do stadiums, but then they were around before Gnr so they dont count!haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barracuda Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 :)i believe we all agree the music needs a kick in the ass like it did when GNR first stormed onto the scene.personaaly,i would like nothin better than for axl n crew to dominate the scene once again.however i dont see it happening,at least not in the same magnitude as they previous did.axl is brilliant and iam sure he will deliver an epic cd of which all others will be judged. after silence-that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressable is music! GNR music mostly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shades Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 This will be an EPIC verse in rock n roll history someday, I do think the magnitude of GNR returning will have that much of an impact... and its good to be here to watch it happen.I have watched rock and roll completly evolve into a mixture of rock rap (eminem and kid rock)and head banging (Korn, limp bizcuit, etc.) trying to share the stage with 90's bubblegum rock like (matchbox 20, blink 182, etc.) with an occasional old school sound like Garbage, or Counting Crowes stepping in and reminding us of what used to be.But music must progress, cant stick on one sound too long, so its all good I guess.But with Axl coming back to try to turn everything back 10 years is not only exciting but very unique.I think the new GNR sounds just as good as the old (from what ive heard so far)The quality of the tunes will be the real factor in the end, not weather Buckethead or Robyn can play as good as Slash.Im just going to enjoy this for the moment knowing it could go away as quick as it came back....RIght now, GNR rules in my music world ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 i hope they do, but its the decision of other gnr fans, some won't listen 2 the music if Slash or Duff aren't in the band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little_witch Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 I hate to say it because I have no problem with this being GNR but I think Axl may have shot himself in the foot when he kept the name. It's an issue for a lot fans of the old band. They're less accepting because of it and that can only hurt him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_Guns Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 If they aren't going to be accepted because of the name...then to hell with those peopleG-Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnrlies Posted November 30, 2002 Share Posted November 30, 2002 well i dont think the name really matter in terms of their success (well i mean its going to help them not be bad for them)I mean they will at least get instant air time becuase its "guns n roses" and then they can establish themselves as a new band when they are better known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little_witch Posted December 1, 2002 Share Posted December 1, 2002 The name Axl Rose would have gotten them instant airtime but it would have avoided the whole "that's not GNR" argument. It honestly doesn't matter to me but it does to a lot of other paople. I just worry about the consequences of alienating a whole segment of his potential fanbase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madison Posted December 1, 2002 Author Share Posted December 1, 2002 The name Axl Rose would have gotten them instant airtime but it would have avoided the whole "that's not GNR" argument. It honestly doesn't matter to me but it does to a lot of other paople. I just worry about the consequences of alienating a whole segment of his potential fanbase.I agree. It makes no difference to me what he calls the band. If it had been called "The Axl Rose Band" or just "Axl Rose," I'd still be there to see it. I do understand why some people object to him using the name though. However, at the end of the day, I still believe these same people will (secretly) buy the new band's album and will go to see the band perform. btw, where is Nathan these days? This is his favorite topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 1, 2002 Share Posted December 1, 2002 i think that they already have conquered the music industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moss Posted December 1, 2002 Share Posted December 1, 2002 Yes, they will! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnrlies Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 I agree. It makes no difference to me what he calls the band. If it had been called "The Axl Rose Band" or just "Axl Rose," I'd still be there to see it.We all would be! (people iont his forum)But for the general public and the music industry in general he would need to prove himself, whereas under the name GNR he can gain the respect that has come from the old band. I mean for the most part, most of the casual fans who dont even know the original members, they will get that extra attanetion. And theres no way in the world that axl would of got on MTV if he hadn't been called GNR.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spazprm Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 I think when the new Cd's come out people will be more comfortable using the name "GnR" cause all the new people would have made the songs...I think anything is possible. Would be cool if they did conquer the music industry because I could see how they go from half-sold out Arena's to sold out Arena's to sold out Stadiums... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockerman Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 This generation...( the millinials born since 1980) is still waiting for its Led Zepplin, its Beatles, its "Guns and Roses".. there are big bands but nothing like the creative original forces that were in the 60's ,70's, 80's you could say that GNR was the last great rock band in the 90's but so far not one single band has stepped up to the plate to claim thier crown. There are lots of pretenders but nothing like selling out 100,000 + seat stadium or people camping out for three days to get a copy of an album coming out.. There has been no "events" like Mile High Stadium in Denver..... or St. Louis. OZZFEST is even smaller by comparison. Grunge would have never happened if GNR would have come off of the road and gone right back into the studio but it didnt and now look at the music today. Uninspired corporate thinktank crapola. CAn This GNR Do IT???? Deep inside I want to say yes but I know the music business to well to think that the "mood" is there to bring back stadium rock again. Tastes and images are too intermingled today. You have urban white boys rapping like ghetto black boys and chunking it up in amixture of retread ground. Rock is meant to have the power of RAW REBELLION at the top of MY LUNGS. I think were gonna have a well thought out album in Chinese Democracy...... I think it will be overproduced due to the ability of computer digital recording...( its easier to record music now than it was 10 years ago and less expensive) You can do 100+ retakes on a song to get it "perfect" if you need to ... so the element of rawness is probably a AFD memory. i think the nature of corporate music is such that target audiences will be catered to to ensure maximum impact and that by the way may not include the core audience left over from the 80's and 90's. The fact that this generation has access to music from all over the world via p2p downloading makes it less likely that GNR will achieve the lofty place it had. I know in the early 90's most people I know bought maybe 3 or 4 albums a year.. now they download 3 or 4 albums a night.... I think that Axl will have some hits on his hands but will they be endearing hits that stand the tests of time? Emblimatic of 2003? For myself I personally hope so. I havent been inspired by a band since 91' and thats kinda miserable to say. Even the resurgence of metal lately seems lackluster needing a major relevance. I mean what exactly is this generation rebelling against? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Sparkle Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 so now you're a Dr and a record exec : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madison Posted December 2, 2002 Author Share Posted December 2, 2002 This generation...( the millinials born since 1980) is still waiting for its Led Zepplin, its Beatles, its "Guns and Roses".. there are big bands but nothing like the creative original forces that were in the 60's ,70's, 80's you could say that GNR was the last great rock band in the 90's but so far not one single band has stepped up to the plate to claim thier crown.....That's why Axl's timing couldn't be better. With the right album, he could re-claim that crown. .. CAn This GNR Do IT???? Deep inside I want to say yes but I know the music business to well to think that the "mood" is there to bring back stadium rock again. Tastes and images are too intermingled today. You have urban white boys rapping like ghetto black boys and chunking it up in amixture of retread ground. Rock is meant to have the power of RAW REBELLION at the top of MY LUNGS...I disagee. I think the mood is there for change. People are restless for a new sound -- similar to the way it was in the late 80s. But only time will tell if lightning can strike twice for Axl and he is the one who invokes that change and brings real rock back to the masses. I'm counting on him to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockerman Posted December 3, 2002 Share Posted December 3, 2002 You have a point there Madison. I tend to be to exacting when it comes to music. I won't say that I'm unimpressed by what I hear from GNR. My hopes are that lightning will strike twice! From what I hear of the new songs there is a concept to explore new ground and that gets me going. I think Axl has the potential to put together a" new revolution". What I think will be funny is to watch what the industry does after Chinese Democracy comes out... If its a hit and heralds in a" new era" how many copy cat bands will suddenly hit the market. But I have to say it in pure speculation I hope to God that Axl hasn't sold out. I hope he stays closer to his roots than trying to fuse techno/industrial/hard rock/metal/hiphop into one package. But I do agree we need some new sound.. I don't know what that is but Im waiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaman Posted December 3, 2002 Share Posted December 3, 2002 i think that with the new band they easier succeed. and if this is good they could change music again, because there is a lot of rock nostalgic people, but they could only do it if their original like they were before no band was ever been similair to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnrlies Posted December 3, 2002 Share Posted December 3, 2002 the new band will be successfull in that sense only if they appeal to all music fans...That means the preteensThe young teens (12 - 15) the older teens (15 - 20) and the young adults (20 - 30)They need that span of fan attention in order to be as popular as they were. They will get the older fans (late teens young adults, but whether they can gain attention of the younger teens and preteens is the area of difficulty...The old GNR had fans in all these categories, but whether the new band can have that fan base is the key to their success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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