rockerman Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Just talked to some of my friends that saw the Boise show and they felt ripped off. They were soooooooo disappointed.They said that Axl was off key most of the night and the sound was$%%#@!!!.... Now before you dis THESE people you have to realize that they are heavy duty GNR and Axl fans. They would defend him over Jesus Christ..and they are mormans! We Saw them twice in 91 when we were in college. They didnt go expecting to see Old GnR but what they say was a parody of them... THe "band lacked reason"like they were puppets going through the motions. Like a really good cover band in a bar..No personality..good musicians but no chemistry (good or bad).Technically predictible but sort of irrelevant...Even the younger fans that wouldn't remember Old GNR weren't impressed by the new sound or players. Of course this is a warm up tour for later on when CD comes out but damn $150 for a burned out show sux even if it is AXl????I mean play some new songs besides the same 4-5 that from what I hear wont even be on the new album. If you cant turn your fans on to the new sound in concert when ya gonna do it? The consenses is that the two warm up bands suck especially Cky and should go. Kinda like the Jimi hendrix/Monkees billing. MAke this PURE GNR.... Granted Boise was only show #2 (of the North American tour)but time will tell if Axls touring legs have gone limp.I would imagine it hard to go from Stadiums to half sold out venues. Then again maybe we have to realize that Axl really is so far from the sun set strip that he "can't find his way back home" perhaps there will be no "turn me around and take me back to the start." :-Xc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COKE8 Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 not to take anything away form your associated but i DUUNO why are there are some americans saying the new gnr sucks live? it's like the whole world says the new gnr rocks live but just 2 shows into the tour in north american and everyone is bitchin'? I mean these guys just starting out they have not been together that long other than dizzy reed, axl , and of course robin finck. Shit Brain, buckethead, and esp Richard Fortus joined gnr late. YOu can not expect them to be best friends right away it takes time and besides think of the pressure each member has on their shoulders to try and succede at something that has never been done. Yes, there have been bands that lost a member here and there and continued the success of the latter but never like this situation where only one real true gunner is still around. SHit SLASH himself mentioned that the NEW GNR kick ass this coming from a guy that has hatred toward his former partner. This is only techincally what like there 12th or 13 overall life performace ever? anyhow, where can i get those mini-kfc buckets like the tacoma fans wore? Say did your Boise associates see any mini-buckets in the audience??? new GNR 4-life 2-SWEET!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockerman Posted November 12, 2002 Author Share Posted November 12, 2002 I dunno about the mini bucket thing but it was great to read Meta SOuls review.. thats the $hit I wanna hear about GNR especially since they roll into Moline this Sunday!!! I think the reaction to this whole thing is lack of hype.. you dont read about these guys... you dont see em in metal edge, rolling stones or hit parader magazine... No one knows quite why were here ...always searching for answers that never appear. you get the feeling of a big mind phuck going on here. you see them here and there in grainy pictures. All part of Uncle Axls master plan I guess.. there was a time I thought he might actually save us from the evil forces of Rap but I see he jumped on that band wagon also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Sparkle Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 I dunno about the mini bucket thing but it was great to read Meta SOuls review.. thats the $hit I wanna hear about GNR especially since they roll into Moline this Sunday!!! I think the reaction to this whole thing is lack of hype.. you dont read about these guys... you dont see em in metal edge, rolling stones or hit parader magazine... No one knows quite why were here ...always searching for answers that never appear. you get the feeling of a big mind phuck going on here. you see them here and there in grainy pictures. All part of Uncle Axls master plan I guess.. there was a time I thought he might actually save us from the evil forces of Rap but I see he jumped on that band wagon also.you must live under a rock... and I have seen several recent gnr concerts live... rio, vegas... and clips of the 1st 2 american shows... they are playing just fine. sooo many haters... so few bullets ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madison Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Just talked to some of my friends that saw the Boise show and they felt ripped off. They were soooooooo disappointed.They said that Axl was off key most of the night and the sound was$%%#@!!!.... Now before you dis THESE people you have to realize that they are heavy duty GNR and Axl fans....I find it really hard to believe that these so-called GNR fans would be ragging on Axl like that. I mean, from your description, they would rather Axl stay holed up in his studio in Malibu than play live shows again, and I can't imagine any long-time fan feeling that way. I think most Gunners who have been following the band from the start have been anxiously awaiting Axl's return, and would certainly overlook a few glitches as Axl works out the kinks in the first few live gigs. Don't forget he's been secluded in a studio for nine years, and has only played a handful of live shows in that period. Having him onstage and gearing up for his long-awaited return to the rock world -- even if there are a few glitches -- is far better than not having him make music for us at all. ... THe "band lacked reason"like they were puppets going through the motions. Like a really good cover band in a bar..No personality..good musicians but no chemistry (good or bad).Technically predictible but sort of irrelevant...There's no question the old band had any incredible chemistry when they played together. But this band hasn't been together long, and has only played a handful of live gigs together. Give them a chance to gel together while they're on the road, and hopefully the chemistry will come. .. Even the younger fans that wouldn't remember Old GNR weren't impressed by the new sound or players....And you base this statement on what? Your friends? : I thought you said they were older fans. ... Of course this is a warm up tour for later on when CD comes out but damn $150 for a burned out show sux even if it is AXl????..I've been waiting for nine years for the new album and even longer to see Axl play live again. So, for me, the money is well spent. .. The consenses is that the two warm up bands suck especially Cky and should go. Kinda like the Jimi hendrix/Monkees billing....I have to agree on this one. I don't know where Axl's head was at when he booked these guys to open for GNR. Maybe it ensures no one will upstage GNR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Sparkle Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 I like cky... they are a decent band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_Guns Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Madison sure knows how to break it downG-Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelers29 Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 URLI personally have not seen GNR...or should I say the "new" GNR since back in "92, when they were undoubtedly the best rock band EVER!!!!! But after seeing the MTV skit and hearing some of the reviews...I am a bit leary of attending their Chicago show. If someone would PLEASE reply to me...unbiased...but honestly...HOW BAD IS HIS VOICE??????? ;D...thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnrlies Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 I would like to say somehting which i think is accurate...Those who say the actual band suck, are totally wrong. I mean sure they may not be as good in terms of chemistry or have the same attitutde and style (buckethead removes any chance of that whatsoever) as the old band, but they can play the old songs. So regardless on your opinion of the actual band itself, you have to accept the band plays ok. In fact one could even go so far to say that they are fucking kick ass! I mean if this were a new band, and had no assosciation with slash, duff, izzy etc, then old GNR fans would be praising them for bringing an edge to the music.The main problem ironically, i believe lies with AXL... (i say ironically, becuase for all this time people have been dishing the band, and now it turns out that AXL is the one to dish!)For most people, the shite performance at the VMA's lingers on which pertrudes into peoples perceptions of the new band. However, i believe that axl hasn't been singing that bad anyway, (based on boots etc) and although he is no where near his peak, he has sung far worse before. As for the one particular show that may of been viewed as crap from axl's perspective, i mean mbe so... I havent seen or heard it so i cant comment, but at least accept that its a one off, becuase he has sung fine on all other occasions....Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupid_Moron Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 ^ Totally agree...... The band rocks.... Axl is the one letting them down atm..... BUT.. Only because he was soooo fuckn good in the old band! Like he can still sing... and like someone said somewhere b4 his "new voice" is suited to the new songs more then the old! But i have the whole london show and he kicks ass.... then again i have heard a couple where he wasnt great... but still good... i think alot has to do with the quality of the set up and bootlegging and such!Meanwhile.. we can be garaunteed that the album will sound great! ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 i have 2 say gnr rocked the roof off in London Arena they were amazin, & the noise when they came out on stage was the loudest i've ever heard. I don't think the haters r talkin abt the same band i went 2 c because gnr were brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Sparkle Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 'new voice'? I have been listening to gnr since 1986 and axl's voice sounds pretty much the same... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffan Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Since '96 , Right around the Time Slash and Duff left :-/ , To bad you missed em in thier Prime hope the new band gets real big so you can get that feelin ;D . Peace GnR Nation 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockerman Posted November 13, 2002 Author Share Posted November 13, 2002 Ya know in all of this discussion one gets the idea that onehas to either be for or against Axl. I find it really sad/pathetic that someone making a honest comment or GOD FORBID an personal opinion about the music suddenly becomes a AXl hater/lover or a OLD GNR VS NEW GNR person.....I mean get real junkies Hes only a man.I saw him when he was so coked up that he didn't know which planet he was on in 87. I listened to him rant and rave about his family in 91 for over 5 minutes at show which was "flawed" but brilliant. You left those shows feeling like you had just seen THE EVENT of your lifetime. Thats why I was so happy to hear Megasouls review of Boise. He's just a real person with alot of issues and his art/music is an expression I admire. I think he has ample talent and resources to pull this off. If he dont like critisim he can just sht the ^^%$#*! up and stay secluded. "yous in the Jungle baby yous gonna die....." Anytime you put yourself out there especially in America people are gonna be there to pick it apart. It is after all art. And Uncle Axl has to learn to GIVE as well as he gets.Its the very rules he plays by. He even said it in his interview prior to going to China. If it works for you fine ..if it don't to bad... THe F***er was notorious for starting $hit in the day and being contrary to just about everything and everyone that he perceived as a threat rather they were or not. Personally for myself I think the new band is really good.. almost to good. Studio muscian good. AWESOME GOOD. Does it inspire? we'll see .I particullarly like "The Blues" And I like the way he throws his vocals into a whole nother pitch. The attitude I was drawn to with the old GnR was the rawness of thier sound.Raggedy men playing raggedy music .... Iwas in LA in 86 87 and the bands were all starting to sound alike and look alike like a corporate play GNR ripped them apart. But iI remember seeing Axl when he wore lipstick on the street and had the glam look like everybody else did. Hey i think its groovy that Axls has pushed the envelope and tried to find a new sound that is fresh. To that I say "Right on" I hear ya and I will support ya but I won't get down on my knees for ya( not like some of the people in this forum who would wait like dogs at the table to get a scrap of food.) The dispersion of information is vastly different in 2002 than it was in 92 folks..look at this forum. I mean hell theres already bootlegs of the Boise show out there!!! People can be more criticle of what thier paying for. Music and bootlegs are to availble and peoples tastes are more varied than they were 10 years ago. Before to get a bootleg you had to hang aroud the record shops with all the other hopheads hoping to at best get a cassette copy smuggled out in your friends brothers girlfriends sisters bra..... So chill out folks and realize that this is all in good fun.. there aint a single one of in this forum who wouldn't get Axls back if it ever came to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Sparkle Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Since '96 , Right around the Time Slash and Duff left :-/ , To bad you missed em in thier Prime hope the new band gets real big so you can get that feelin ;D . Peace GnR Nation 8)I meant 1986 sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Sparkle Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Ya know in all of this discussion one gets the idea that onehas to either be for or against Axl. I find it really sad/pathetic that someone making a honest comment or GOD FORBID an personal opinion about the music suddenly becomes a AXl hater/lover or a OLD GNR VS NEW GNR person.....I mean get real junkies Hes only a man.I saw him when he was so coked up that he didn't know which planet he was on in 87. I listened to him rant and rave about his family in 91 for over 5 minutes at show which was "flawed" but brilliant. You left those shows feeling like you had just seen THE EVENT of your lifetime. Thats why I was so happy to hear Megasouls review of Boise. He's just a real person with alot of issues and his art/music is an expression I admire. I think he has ample talent and resources to pull this off. If he dont like critisim he can just sht the ^^%$#*! up and stay secluded. "yous in the Jungle baby yous gonna die....." Anytime you put yourself out there especially in America people are gonna be there to pick it apart. It is after all art. And Uncle Axl has to learn to GIVE as well as he gets.Its the very rules he plays by. He even said it in his interview prior to going to China. If it works for you fine ..if it don't to bad... THe F***er was notorious for starting $hit in the day and being contrary to just about everything and everyone that he perceived as a threat rather they were or not. Personally for myself I think the new band is really good.. almost to good. Studio muscian good. AWESOME GOOD. Does it inspire? we'll see .I particullarly like "The Blues" And I like the way he throws his vocals into a whole nother pitch. The attitude I was drawn to with the old GnR was the rawness of thier sound.Raggedy men playing raggedy music .... Iwas in LA in 86 87 and the bands were all starting to sound alike and look alike like a corporate play GNR ripped them apart. But iI remember seeing Axl when he wore lipstick on the street and had the glam look like everybody else did. Hey i think its groovy that Axls has pushed the envelope and tried to find a new sound that is fresh. To that I say "Right on" I hear ya and I will support ya but I won't get down on my knees for ya( not like some of the people in this forum who would wait like dogs at the table to get a scrap of food.) The dispersion of information is vastly different in 2002 than it was in 92 folks..look at this forum. I mean hell theres already bootlegs of the Boise show out there!!! People can be more criticle of what thier paying for. Music and bootlegs are to availble and peoples tastes are more varied than they were 10 years ago. Before to get a bootleg you had to hang aroud the record shops with all the other hopheads hoping to at best get a cassette copy smuggled out in your friends brothers girlfriends sisters bra..... So chill out folks and realize that this is all in good fun.. there aint a single one of in this forum who wouldn't get Axls back if it ever came to it. I love how some people have actual blood samples and know that Axl was 'coked out' you don't know what you are talkign about... another general statement you have no idea about... puuuuuuuuuuhlease : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_Guns Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 blargin?G-Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_Guns Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 Hey ghost face.. It don't take a blood test to see when some F**er is wacked out of his skull. When you have to lean on your mike stand to stand up and and you cant hardly find your line in the song much less sing it Your f**ked up on something.MMM maybe it was jetlag...or nerves.....oh he was sick or it was the altitude .......... anything else but the truth...Axl was a junkie too boys and girls only he was smart enough not to let it crash him or so he says......cides its common knowledge that many of the shows he was late for was because he was to f**cked up to sing.....he admits that much. Besides thats really not the issue the issue is staying real and not letting yourself be a mindless zombie that cant think critically about anything or anyone. If you cant do that your part of the problem and never part of the solution......all you end up being is a double talking jive motherf**ker.I think your message should be directed at mr. sparkle thank you :DG-Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockerman Posted November 13, 2002 Author Share Posted November 13, 2002 Sorry Ghost face....My bad ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_Guns Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 :-*G-Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badZan Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 a...just another old gnr fan hwo can not let go the old gnr. to him.. the new gnr looks nothing like the old, so there for he is disappointed. he said there is no chemistry in this band....but hwo can he see the chemistry... when he hates this bandto the old gnr fans in this board....i have to say....get over it people. what this guy just said....i have heard it all over the net, it is the same post...the same crying for the old band : like axl said at boise to them haters.... if you dont like this band....go home and watch the old videos and dvds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_Guns Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 true indeed..i mean it is unfair to just keep comparing, comparing, comparing. even though it has the same name, it is a totally different band. G-Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockerman Posted November 13, 2002 Author Share Posted November 13, 2002 Just another old geezer who what??????? damn Badzan. I should punch you right upside your chops... ;Dyou evidently don't catch my drift..... I never said I hated this band.,. read!!!! As a muscian I am critical. It don't take long to see how much energy is exchanged amoung people during a performance. I mean when I saw Axl in Denver he was all over Slash on stage. If I was Slash I would have dropped my guitar first and Axl second but his anger was evident in his playing that was "chemistry".....Axls airing out dirty laundry in front of 70,000 people and Slash just jammed on.....your probably one of those fellas who cant accept the fact that there are people out here that can actually think...Oh my god he said something about Axl! Perhaps your like MAdison who believes that to be a fan you have to be reverent. Shuushhh here comes Axl bow....... The old us vs them thing....That you can't say anything remotely true about our beloved Uncle Axl. Like the Gods will punish us if we actually say "Ya know what from what I hear those two shows kinda sucked." If It wasnt GnR people wouldnt give a $hit... people come to compare (at least for now) it cant be helped(or denied) and that will go on for a long long time. Dont think thats true??? then why not name it the Axl Rose Experience?? Because the draw is in the GNR name... only were finding out that maybe to much time has passed and people really don't give a craep anymore. Read throught the list of venues and see that many of them arent even half sold out....Marketing woes or WHAT? Since most people simply don't give a $hit there has to be some of us out here that do kind of stuff. Not to say one way or another or to piss and rave about the good ol days. Just an opinion. As for letting it go it was done before UYI tour was finished..... Perhaps as a GNR "fan" you'll understand what the true meaning of being a "fan" is. It aint about image bro..... if it is stick with Slipknot...or Marilyn... This tour All Im saying is Rock On people.... It aint about clinging to the past its about evolving and growing.... sure well miss the Old GNR(until the reunion tour) But don't forget to play the GnR game and that solely means THINK FOR YOUR OWN ^***!!$## self.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_Guns Posted November 13, 2002 Share Posted November 13, 2002 All Im saying is Rock On people.... It aint about clinging to the past its about evolving and growing.... sure well miss the Old GNR(until the reunion tour) But don't forget to play the GnR game and that solely means THINK FOR YOUR OWN ^***!!$## self..your last paragraph rox..no reunion thoughG-Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockerman Posted November 13, 2002 Author Share Posted November 13, 2002 Just another old geezer who what? damn Badzan. I should punch you right upside your chops... ;Dyou evidently don't catch my drift..... I never said I hated this band.,. read!!!! As a muscian I am critical. It don't take long to see how much energy is exchanged amoung people during a performance. I mean when I saw Axl in Denver he was all over Slash on stage. If I was Slash I would have dropped my guitar first and Axl second but his anger was evident in his playing that was "chemistry".....Axls airing out dirty laundry in front of 70,000 people and Slash just jammed on.....your probably one of those fellas who cant accept the fact that there are people out here that can actually think...Oh my god he said something about Axl! Perhaps your like Madison who believes that to be a fan you have to be reverent. Shuushhh here comes Axl bow....... The old us vs them thing....That you can't say anything remotely true about our beloved Uncle Axl. Like the Gods will punish us if we actually say "Ya know what from what I hear those two shows kinda sucked." If It wasnt GnR people wouldnt give a $hit... some people come to compare out of curiosity (at least for now) Much of the original fanbase is now in thier late 30's early 40's the angle has to be on getting a new yunger fan base...( thats why the DJ and CK&Y Jelly) it cant be helped(or denied) and that will go on for a long long time. Dont think thats true??? then why not name it the Axl Rose Experience?? Because the draw is in the GNR name... only we're finding out that maybe to much time has passed and people really don't give a craep anymore. They were selling tickets at 10.00 a piece to sell seats just to have enough people to justify putting on a show(the promoters) Read throught the list of venues and see that many of them arent even half sold out....Marketing woes or WHAT? Since most people simply don't give a $hit they wont buy CHinese Democracy there has to be some of us out here that do keep watch. Not to say one way or another or to piss and rave about the good ol days. Just an opinion. sorry to offend . As for letting it go it was done before the UYI tour was finished..... Perhaps as a GNR "fan" you'll understand what the true meaning of being a "fan" is. Not some dogged wag thinking that critisim good or bad is paramount to blashphemy It aint about image bro..... if it is stick with Slipknot...or Marilyn.We all like a freak show.The band is awesome really.. technically proficient.. magnifiecent in thier execution... amazing in how they can sound SO TRUE TO THE ORIGINAL SOUND....Buckethead is light years ahead of Slash technique wise. IS he better? kind of like arguing over which is better T*TS or A*s?? All Im saying is Rock On people.... It aint about clinging to the past its about evolving and growing.... sure well miss the Old GNR(until the reunion tour) But don't forget to play the GnR game and that solely means THINK FOR YOUR OWN ^***!!$## self.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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