theredrobber Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 After reading the Lisa Reed "December 23rd" comment and many other postings by people who don't want to hear "too much" of the new material before it is remastered forget that we heard half of both UYI albums before they came out. This was 16 years ago before the internet was even around. Consider this:There are 30 songs between both albums. As for me personally, I heard the following months or years before they were tweaked and remastered:Right Next Door To Hell: Heard live on the spring/summer '91 tourDust N Bones: '91 tourLive And Let Die: '91 tour (not to mention knowing the song through Paul McCartney)Don't Cry: Heard in '87 at their Cleveland gig and on numerous early bootlegsBad Obsession: '91 tourBack Off Bitch: On numerous bootleg and demo lpsDouble Talkin Jive: '91 tourNovember Rain: '91 tour & many early bootlegsComa: '91 tourCivil War: '91 tour and the benefit album that it was first released on14 Years: '91 tourKnockin On Heaven's Door: '87 & '91 tours along with Ritz video & many bootlegsEstranged: '91 tourYou Could Be Mine: '91 tour and Terminator 2 soundtrackThat's 14 songs! You probably shouldn't count the alternative version of Don't Cry or My World (not the whole band playing), so over half of both albums were heard before they came out. In fact, when I saw them in Cleveland in '87 they also played Patience, You're Crazy" (acoustic) & "Used To Love Her" a year before "Lies" came out! I'm sure that people in LA got to hear much of AFD before it came out.The bottom line seems to be clear that Axl has always "leaked" his songs way before they were mass released. Now we have the internet to find them with.I don't think this hurts the integrity of the tunes at all and it definately doesn't hurt future album sales. All it does is give us fans a chance to hear music evolve from ideas to demos to finished product. So for me personally what does it hurt to have a little "Appetizer For Destruction" every now and then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEEP11 Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 After reading the Lisa Reed "December 23rd" comment and many other postings by people who don't want to hear "too much" of the new material before it is remastered forget that we heard half of both UYI albums before they came out. This was 16 years ago before the internet was even around. Consider this:There are 30 songs between both albums. As for me personally, I heard the following months or years before they were tweaked and remastered:Right Next Door To Hell: Heard live on the spring/summer '91 tourDust N Bones: '91 tourLive And Let Die: '91 tour (not to mention knowing the song through Paul McCartney)Don't Cry: Heard in '87 at their Cleveland gig and on numerous early bootlegsBad Obsession: '91 tourBack Off Bitch: On numerous bootleg and demo lpsDouble Talkin Jive: '91 tourNovember Rain: '91 tour & many early bootlegsComa: '91 tourCivil War: '91 tour and the benefit album that it was first released on14 Years: '91 tourKnockin On Heaven's Door: '87 & '91 tours along with Ritz video & many bootlegsEstranged: '91 tourYou Could Be Mine: '91 tour and Terminator 2 soundtrackThat's 14 songs! You probably shouldn't count the alternative version of Don't Cry or My World (not the whole band playing), so over half of both albums were heard before they came out. In fact, when I saw them in Cleveland in '87 they also played Patience, You're Crazy" (acoustic) & "Used To Love Her" a year before "Lies" came out! I'm sure that people in LA got to hear much of AFD before it came out.The bottom line seems to be clear that Axl has always "leaked" his songs way before they were mass released. Now we have the internet to find them with.I don't think this hurts the integrity of the tunes at all and it definately doesn't hurt future album sales. All it does is give us fans a chance to hear music evolve from ideas to demos to finished product. So for me personally what does it hurt to have a little "Appetizer For Destruction" every now and then!Some radio stations played the album version of Bad Apples on the air before UYI came out. Not a very good song to choose but I guess its all they had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredrobber Posted February 27, 2006 Author Share Posted February 27, 2006 You're right! I remember hearing Bad Apples, Dead Horse, Yeterdays & Breakdown weeks before when the radio stations had the pre-release stuff, but by then the album was in the can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobot Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 I saw them perform in Hampton, VA shortly before UYI was released and they played many of the songs from those albums that night - and I'm sure they were played on other nights as well. Remember the tour started before the albums were released. Some of those shows were bootlegged on video and sold in some independent music stores in my area. So the songs were heard both live and on the vhs bootlegs. Not to mention many of the tapes that were going around months ealier with a rough version of November Rain (one in particular has a girl riding a unicorn on the front or something crazy like that - I have it packed away somewhere). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axlswife Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 you guys make sense!!! hopefully it will be the same way this time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madman2267 Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 I got my copy of UYI I & II 2 week's before it was out so I knew what they were gonna play up here ahead of time.In between riot's too,sweet!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-GenerationX Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Great intial post and great thread overall.People need to chill the fuck out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjakalen Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 i remembver that Pretty Tied Up was played on radio before the realase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennaSide Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Agreed. I'm sure a lot of people don't remember/weren't around for all that. It wasn't really a big deal... My, what a difference a decade makes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painkiller545 Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 you guys make sense!!! hopefully it will be the same way this timeNOOOO!!! If we hear most of CHIDEM now, then ther is no point on buying the CD when it comes out. So. Im just sayin here, that Im gonna stay with the three leaks i have, and just live off those till the CD acctually comes out.PAZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimb0 Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 you guys make sense!!! hopefully it will be the same way this timeNOOOO!!! If we hear most of CHIDEM now, then ther is no point on buying the CD when it comes out. So. Im just sayin here, that Im gonna stay with the three leaks i have, and just live off those till the CD acctually comes out.PAZIf the whole album leaks on the net. I WILL DL IT. I want to hear it. I don't care, but I'll also buy it the first day it comes out. I wanna have it in my hands, see the inserts read the lyrics and whatever the fuck else is in there. It should come with a book on the whole 13 year process, that would be cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Niveen Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 (edited) After reading the Lisa Reed "December 23rd" comment and many other postings by people who don't want to hear "too much" of the new material before it is remastered forget that we heard half of both UYI albums before they came out. This was 16 years ago before the internet was even around. Consider this:There are 30 songs between both albums. As for me personally, I heard the following months or years before they were tweaked and remastered:Right Next Door To Hell: Heard live on the spring/summer '91 tourDust N Bones: '91 tourLive And Let Die: '91 tour (not to mention knowing the song through Paul McCartney)Don't Cry: Heard in '87 at their Cleveland gig and on numerous early bootlegsBad Obsession: '91 tourBack Off Bitch: On numerous bootleg and demo lpsDouble Talkin Jive: '91 tourNovember Rain: '91 tour & many early bootlegsComa: '91 tourCivil War: '91 tour and the benefit album that it was first released on14 Years: '91 tourKnockin On Heaven's Door: '87 & '91 tours along with Ritz video & many bootlegsEstranged: '91 tourYou Could Be Mine: '91 tour and Terminator 2 soundtrackThat's 14 songs! You probably shouldn't count the alternative version of Don't Cry or My World (not the whole band playing), so over half of both albums were heard before they came out. In fact, when I saw them in Cleveland in '87 they also played Patience, You're Crazy" (acoustic) & "Used To Love Her" a year before "Lies" came out! I'm sure that people in LA got to hear much of AFD before it came out.The bottom line seems to be clear that Axl has always "leaked" his songs way before they were mass released. Now we have the internet to find them with.I don't think this hurts the integrity of the tunes at all and it definately doesn't hurt future album sales. All it does is give us fans a chance to hear music evolve from ideas to demos to finished product. So for me personally what does it hurt to have a little "Appetizer For Destruction" every now and then!We shouldn't mix the songs played live by the band with leaked tracks. That's a very different matter. Edited February 27, 2006 by Alan Niveen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmpaller Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 There will be plenty of new music to listen to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobot Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 I'm guessing that Axl will do what many smart bands do nowadays to compell fans to purchase the actual cd - not the poor attempt at copyright protection that renders a cd unplayable in many devices - I mean some dvd content. Maybe whatever the first video is, a short documentary on the making of, or take another cue from NIN and release the album in surround-sound or dual-disc like Trent has been doing and continues to do. A surround-sound or DTS version of Chinese Democracy would be drastically different in quality to anything that you could get in mp3 format in the form of leaks or illegal downloads. For those that aren't audiophiles this may not matter, but in the time that has lapsed, this attention to detail could have been realized which may account for the delay (among other things). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*ParadiseCityGirl* Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 It should come with a book on the whole 13 year process, that would be cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackamo! Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 It should come with a book on the whole 13 year process, that would be cool. Or at least an official documentary... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martina Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 We shouldn't mix the songs played live by the band with leaked tracks. That's a very different matter.exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GooseKiller Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 I remember people saying that they had NR and The Garden demos or mastered on a tape like 2 years before UYI's came out.Also, we heard KOHD on a soundtrack a year before UYI's came out. Also...again...we heard Bad Apples live and there was a rough mix going around in early '91. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaneda Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 This is true. The main difference today is we have all this file sharing and internet bullshit that makes stuff spread like wildfire. In 1991, if you wanted to hear the Illusions, you had to buy the album, you coulnd't download it for free. So anything that leaks online is going to be everywhere in a matter of hours. Nothing Axl can do to stop that. Just put the album out and tour, problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredrobber Posted February 27, 2006 Author Share Posted February 27, 2006 We shouldn't mix the songs played live by the band with leaked tracks. That's a very different matter.exactlyI agree with both of you guys. My thread was meant more for everyone saying that they don't want to be disappointed in hearing the songs in their unfinished state before the cd comes out. We have heard songs before the cds many times before. My comment about Axl leaking was meant that he has teased us with unreleased songs in the past and made us wait quite awhile to own them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin_Pig Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Axl says there will be 13 tracks on CD.There is no half of 13.We cannot hear 1/2 of Chinese Democracy.Unless we get into fractions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heiro Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Axl says there will be 13 tracks on CD.There is no half of 13.We cannot hear 1/2 of Chinese Democracy.Unless we get into fractions...What would you call 9 seconds of Catcher in the Rye? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Volitan Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 you guys make sense!!! hopefully it will be the same way this timeNOOOO!!! If we hear most of CHIDEM now, then ther is no point on buying the CD when it comes out. So. Im just sayin here, that Im gonna stay with the three leaks i have, and just live off those till the CD acctually comes out.PAZIf the whole album leaks on the net. I WILL DL IT. I want to hear it. I don't care, but I'll also buy it the first day it comes out. I wanna have it in my hands, see the inserts read the lyrics and whatever the fuck else is in there. It should come with a book on the whole 13 year process, that would be cool.Chapter 1: Axl starts doing some writingChapter 2: Axl sits in his mantion for 7 yearsChapter 3: Axl goes on a tour for a while on stops before the tour is close to over.Chapter 4: Ex-Gunners create an album and release it before Axl even picks a singleChapter 5: ChiDem is released. Sounds like shit, and flops.THE END Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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