adnan Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 (edited) I think that a lot of us list GN'R as one of our favorite bands, but not as the most talented or "best". In the midst of speaking so much about other bands who are more talented, we seem to forget that GN'R are actually an immensely talented band who made GREAT music on the UYI albums. I am unbelievably thrilled that Axl and Co. didn't just continue making loud versions of Rolling Stones influenced songs, and took a new direction, took influences of Queen, Elton John, and several Punk bands and incorporated it into two absolutely brilliant albums that showcase the real talent this band had/has. To me, I get pissed off when people listen to Appetite and go "This is good for an 80's metal band", GN'R's talent is really on show only in superb songs like "Locomotive", "Coma", "Civil War", "Estranged", "November Rain" and even the best metal song they put out "Perfect Crime", and the absolutely brilliant and underrated "14 Years".So, I would like to know how you guys rank GN'R based ONLY on musical talent compared to other bands in history? I would say they would land about 7th on the list in my opinion of all bands in history. 1. Queen2. The Rolling Stones3. The Beatles4. The Eagles5. Led Zeppelin6. The Smiths7. Guns N' Roses.EDIT: Mods, please leave this in My World as it is a comparison and will get more neutral responses here than elsewhere. Edited April 27, 2006 by adnan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genesis Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Based on talent, they're not that competant with their playing. All it really is is power chords and riffs. I've heard sloppy live stuff stuff too. Good for an 80s rock band.Rush, Naked City, Faith No More, Mr Bungle, Frank Zappa, Miles Davis > Guns N Roses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marina Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 depends what u consider talent, i consider Public Image Limited to be the most talented band i've ever encountered that did as much for the progression of popular music as say, the beatles but i wouldn't say, in terms of muscianmanship, they could do all that hotdog buckethead shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genesis Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 do all that hotdog buckethead shit.I'm sorry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest katie Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 weak in talent, they never changed, they were very good at the musical side, and axl could write amazing musicbut they never evolved, and there are better than them at what they do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightrain_Kid Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 weak in talent, they never changed, they were very good at the musical side, and axl could write amazing musicbut they never evolved, and there are better than them at what they doIts so easy to Estranged is not the sound of evolving then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f**k_your_enemy Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 weak in talent, they never changed, they were very good at the musical side, and axl could write amazing musicbut they never evolved, and there are better than them at what they doIts so easy to Estranged is not the sound of evolving then?That's exactly what I was going to say. A band goes from sleaze rock to epic ballads like November Rain and Estranged and you say they never changed or evolved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damian 1200 Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Lets settle it like thisBRITNEY SPEARS>GNR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genesis Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 weak in talent, they never changed, they were very good at the musical side, and axl could write amazing musicbut they never evolved, and there are better than them at what they doIts so easy to Estranged is not the sound of evolving then?It's not like it's a positive progression though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevGNR666 Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 i'd rank them pretty low musicianship wise- because they really didn't have much imagination in their song topics or song progressions...perhaps the miles davis all star band/quintet was the most talented band in history- john coltrane and through the whole post-bop modern jazz era...as far as rock goes musicianship wise i have to tip my cap to rush or perhaps cream, and led zeppelin up there as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest katie Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 weak in talent, they never changed, they were very good at the musical side, and axl could write amazing musicbut they never evolved, and there are better than them at what they doIts so easy to Estranged is not the sound of evolving then?It's not like it's a positive progression though.exactly, it's still the same genre...all be estranged a good move etc. there are no risks and nothing excitingly new Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f**k_your_enemy Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 weak in talent, they never changed, they were very good at the musical side, and axl could write amazing musicbut they never evolved, and there are better than them at what they doIts so easy to Estranged is not the sound of evolving then?It's not like it's a positive progression though.exactly, it's still the same genre...all be estranged a good move etc. there are no risks and nothing excitingly newI think from going from AFD style sleazey rockers to epic piano ballads like November Rain is a risk.And commercially it was a positive progression. You can't argue that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genesis Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 I'm sure at the time when they gained the Phil Collins fans who enjoyed piano AOR epics, many of the original fans were unimpressed or put off by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest katie Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 (edited) weak in talent, they never changed, they were very good at the musical side, and axl could write amazing musicbut they never evolved, and there are better than them at what they doIts so easy to Estranged is not the sound of evolving then?It's not like it's a positive progression though.exactly, it's still the same genre...all be estranged a good move etc. there are no risks and nothing excitingly newI think from going from AFD style sleazey rockers to epic piano ballads like November Rain is a risk.And commercially it was a positive progression. You can't argue that.comercially certainly not...more money in the pocket....but i just don't think they ever really moved on, they just went a little forward then back againwhich is boringbut we are supposed to be disgusing talent...enough of this diversion i say! i feel as if i have hijacked a thread and theft has never suited me Edited April 27, 2006 by katie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adnan Posted April 27, 2006 Author Share Posted April 27, 2006 Did you guys read my original post before responding?In response to some of the comments, AFD is not a great album musically, the UYI's are VERY good musically, the riffs are good, solos excellent, and musicianship in lyrics and structure EVIDENT!GN'R evolved, much to the better to be honest. AFD is just a sleaze rock album, a good one, but nothing GREAT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genesis Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Many would reverse your opinion, saying AFD was solid. On the other hand, the UYIs were directionless, scattered, filler-containing pretentious noodling.Dont get me started on the Incident? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildrose Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 High. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f**k_your_enemy Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Many would reverse your opinion, saying AFD was solid. On the other hand, the UYIs were directionless, scattered, filler-containing pretentious noodling.Dont get me started on the Incident?I'm not saying the Illusions are more of a solid album. I'm just saying Guns N' Roses did progress and change. I didn't say it was for the better though. But you can't say they didn't evolve.You can't include TSI? into this conversation as that was a covers album and would obviously show no progression on original material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genesis Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Many would reverse your opinion, saying AFD was solid. On the other hand, the UYIs were directionless, scattered, filler-containing pretentious noodling.Dont get me started on the Incident?I'm not saying the Illusions are more of a solid album. I'm just saying Guns N' Roses did progress and change. I didn't say it was for the better though. But you can't say they didn't evolve.You can't include TSI? into this conversation as that was a covers album and would obviously show no progression on original material.I know, but it was the heat of the moment. Is all forgiven????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr-fukaji Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Not as good as Talking Heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Niveen Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Should charisma be considered as talent ?If yes, GN'R is one of the most talented bands ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.drummin Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 GNR are the best band in the world ever. Nobody compares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDRM Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 gnr> all band based on talenthowever there are many very talented band out thereLed zep of coursefloydwham! u2(i really dislike queen/brian may ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adnan Posted April 28, 2006 Author Share Posted April 28, 2006 (i really dislike queen/brian may )You sir, are what we like to call a tasteless asshole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rd Wheel Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 the most talented band ever was CreameGNR doesnt come close talentwise to them, but they are in my top 10...they had a talented tandem and a VERY talented song writing rhythm guitarist in Izzy Stradlin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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