mr.drummin Posted May 24, 2006 Share Posted May 24, 2006 (edited) Is the new GNR run and controlled by Axl? does Axl treat the New band members indeed like replacements?I'm just think because if it were down to say Richard Fortus for example, CD would have been out for around half a year or so by now. 13 years we still have no CD and not many tours. I really think Axl needs to give the new GNR more freedom and say in what they do. Axl does the interviews, decides all tour dates and if he doesn't feel like showing up, he doesn't. I am also quite sure (don't ask why) that they don't have much say in what song are on the set-list. If I were in this band I would have lost patience especially Fink. Is this just my opinion or do you people agree? Give the new band members some respect Axl! Edited May 24, 2006 by mr.drummin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adnan Posted May 24, 2006 Share Posted May 24, 2006 I think that since "Better" is essentially a 'Robin song', yes, I believe they do have artistic freedom to an extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAlien Posted May 24, 2006 Share Posted May 24, 2006 Is the new GNR run and controlled by Axl? does Axl treat the New band members indeed like replacements?I'm just think because if it were down to say Richard Fortus for example, CD would have been out for around half a year or so by now. 13 years we still have no CD and not many tours. I really think Axl needs to give the new GNR more freedom and say in what they do. Axl does the interviews, decides all tour dates and if he doesn't feel like showing up, he doesn't. I am also quite sure (don't ask why) that they don't have much say in what song are on the set-list. If I were in this band I would have lost patience especially Fink. Is this just my opinion or do you people agree? Give the new band members some respect Axl!Axl did treat even original members as if they were working for him so why not the new guys?Axl owes the band and pay them to do their job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JONEZY Posted May 24, 2006 Share Posted May 24, 2006 Axl runs the show. These guys knew that when they signed up for this.I HOPE, when the album is released, we will hear some interviews from the band members, especially Finck. I've never heard anything fromthis guy, and I want to hear his thoughts concerning the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucketslash Posted May 24, 2006 Share Posted May 24, 2006 From what I understand, Axl's been doing his best to avoid uyi syndrome completely. To do this, he's taken every member's every opinion into the song writing process, so as to blend every element that they(the members) have and bring it into a cd, to create the best cd they can make. This as such makes the record more of a record by GUNS N' ROSES than anyone before it, rather than seperate songwriting credits, leading to disputes as axl as said "i'm not gonna play his song if he dosen't do mine", or afd, in which 2 people would write a song and the rest would hide behind the credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted May 24, 2006 Share Posted May 24, 2006 That's only the songwriting aspect of it.But as far as when they play, where they play, who they play with, what they play, what time they play, who they can talk to, who they can't talk to, when the album will be ready, what songs will be on the album, artwork, merchandise, publishing rights, label dealings, and other business affairs, that's all Axl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzsaw Posted May 24, 2006 Share Posted May 24, 2006 From what I understand, Axl's been doing his best to avoid uyi syndrome completely. To do this, he's taken every member's every opinion into the song writing process, so as to blend every element that they(the members) have and bring it into a cd, to create the best cd they can make. This as such makes the record more of a record by GUNS N' ROSES than anyone before it, rather than seperate songwriting credits, leading to disputes as axl as said "i'm not gonna play his song if he dosen't do mine", or afd, in which 2 people would write a song and the rest would hide behind the credits.What is your source for this information regarding the process for CD? It certainly didn't come from Axl, so I'm curious who your insider is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucketslash Posted May 24, 2006 Share Posted May 24, 2006 From what I understand, Axl's been doing his best to avoid uyi syndrome completely. To do this, he's taken every member's every opinion into the song writing process, so as to blend every element that they(the members) have and bring it into a cd, to create the best cd they can make. This as such makes the record more of a record by GUNS N' ROSES than anyone before it, rather than seperate songwriting credits, leading to disputes as axl as said "i'm not gonna play his song if he dosen't do mine", or afd, in which 2 people would write a song and the rest would hide behind the credits.What is your source for this information regarding the process for CD? It certainly didn't come from Axl, so I'm curious who your insider is.axl's said it in different interviewssearch no farther than the eddie trunk interview and a few recent interviews as to the cd writing process, the other members have stated this a few times too,axl's the one who said "not play his song" during the trunk interviewon the afd credits, look in the faq for the true song credits, then compare it to afd when everything was by GUNS N' ROSES.there is no secret, there is no monarchy, there is a band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F*ck Fear Posted May 24, 2006 Share Posted May 24, 2006 From what I understand, Axl's been doing his best to avoid uyi syndrome completely. To do this, he's taken every member's every opinion into the song writing process, so as to blend every element that they(the members) have and bring it into a cd, to create the best cd they can make. This as such makes the record more of a record by GUNS N' ROSES than anyone before it, rather than seperate songwriting credits, leading to disputes as axl as said "i'm not gonna play his song if he dosen't do mine", or afd, in which 2 people would write a song and the rest would hide behind the credits.What is your source for this information regarding the process for CD? It certainly didn't come from Axl, so I'm curious who your insider is.I've heard Tommy say it before. Something on the lines of,everyone throwing their ideas and it gets passed around to everyone to see what they can come up with,for that idea.But yes,for the most part I believe it's Axl's show. Sure they all have ideas that get worked on etc,but the album hasn't come out yet,because Axl said so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetness Posted May 24, 2006 Share Posted May 24, 2006 Its Axls band, and its his album. Instumentaly I'm sure the other members give some of their input towards songs, Axl cant write guitar solos for one thing. But this really is Axls band, he didnt go through the trouble to own the fucking name to share it with other bandmates. The name GNR is the backbone to his solo career and unless CD is a huge hit with memorable guitar riffs and solos, people will go to the concerts to see Axl, not the other members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynameisjonas Posted May 24, 2006 Share Posted May 24, 2006 Tommy just got in a fight with Axl about something band related, so obviously they're not just yes-men and they have a say in what happens in the band. it's just usually when something big is underway, they're on a gag order...and i can't really blame Axl for doing that, he should announce CD, not Fortus (cause he said it was coming out in September a while ago before Axl said 'Fall') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucketslash Posted May 24, 2006 Share Posted May 24, 2006 Its Axls band, and its his album. Instumentaly I'm sure the other members give some of their input towards songs, Axl cant write guitar solos for one thing. But this really is Axls band, he didnt go through the trouble to own the fucking name to share it with other bandmates. The name GNR is the backbone to his solo career and unless CD is a huge hit with memorable guitar riffs and solos, people will go to the concerts to see Axl, not the other members.well, axl is the frontmanand i'm willing to bet after years in the studio, thier not gonna want to reveal muchand as far as we know, both axl and we know that these people have worked really hard to be accepted as gnrand axl does repect the guys as members of the band as gnrhe's said it publiclyonly people like you don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAlien Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 Its Axls band, and its his album. Instumentaly I'm sure the other members give some of their input towards songs, Axl cant write guitar solos for one thing. But this really is Axls band, he didnt go through the trouble to own the fucking name to share it with other bandmates. The name GNR is the backbone to his solo career and unless CD is a huge hit with memorable guitar riffs and solos, people will go to the concerts to see Axl, not the other members.That will probably change and change and change again ...I'm going for Axl alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen8R Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 SERIOUSLY, THERE IS NO CHINESE DEMOCRACY ALBUM, ITS REALLY CHINESE BUREAUCRACY!!!Axl is on top and some of you are right, there is SOME input by the rest of his hired guns, the band is literaly a bureaucracy. The information goes up and the orders go back down. E.I. Someone has an idea for a solo...Axl then tells them to write it, then listens to it and then tells them to re-write it, scrap it, change it or work on it, depending on whether he likes it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussie_axl Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 SERIOUSLY, THERE IS NO CHINESE DEMOCRACY ALBUM, ITS REALLY CHINESE BUREAUCRACY!!!Axl is on top and some of you are right, there is SOME input by the rest of his hired guns, the band is literaly a bureaucracy. The information goes up and the orders go back down. E.I. Someone has an idea for a solo...Axl then tells them to write it, then listens to it and then tells them to re-write it, scrap it, change it or work on it, depending on whether he likes it or not.dirty little bastard ! thats whaT they would put on your head stone! and fuck what a bore! still won't play along, like i should ! like you would! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallucination Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 No. They have a say as long as Axl likes it. If he doesn't he gets squashed. Sure Robin can come up witha riff but if Axl doesn't like it, it's out the window. No matter how much Robin wants it if Axl doesn't want it than too bad. Just my opinion but I think this is pretty much a one man show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorhail91 Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 GNR have always been volatile and things now are no better! Probably members will come and go... I think that the major challege will be the release of a new album, or consolidates GNR as a really new band or will creat gaps (again) among members and everything returns to ground zero! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pebbles Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 I think Axl is in total control, and as long as they all agree on this the show will go on. Axl is basically getting all the publicity, less and less is said about gnr, its Axl Rose this and Axl Rose that. Just my opinion. Actually he is the only one i care about anyway, with his attitude i hate to admit that, but its the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzbub Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 (edited) I have no idea how the creative process works in GNR, but, on kroq, Axl told Kevin & Bean that all of the members are "opinionated individuals." I just hope they all strive for musical excellance, regardless of who has final decision-making power. Who needs another "So Fine"? Edited May 26, 2006 by blzbub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucketslash Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 Who needs another "So Fine"?some times i really hate that song....the lyrics are crap.....duff sounds like's a (pun intended) dead horse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCGNR Posted May 27, 2006 Share Posted May 27, 2006 Me thinks most of the new album will be original Axl Rose material with the band's talents added into the mix to COMPLEMENT his vision. That being said, I do believe there will also be Fink & Stinson type songs that the band comes together to make a finished product.Everything else is all Axl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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