Funeral Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 (edited) Songs like 'Beggars & Hangers On', 'Be the Ball' and 'Serial Killer' wipe the floor with all of the current leaks..-Kickingthehabit :lol: Slash, how ya doing?............ Edited June 29, 2006 by Funeral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_l Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 well knightrider: No. Slash's Snakepit (escpecially Ain't Life Grand) is kick ass! great stuff! I happen to like Neurotic Outsiders to. Izzy have put out a lot of crap but also a few good songs here and there. Loaded is well.. not that good. But all in all, you can't say that they taken so long because they released stuff in the meantime.I take it you are into the punk sound.yeah.. or alteast garage rock n roll. call it punk if you want to. but I'm happy when they put an organ in the punk sound too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzkillz Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 For those who complain about why Axl has taken so long, well, if you consider that VR is the first album produced by the 'old GnR', then you can almost argue that it's taken Slash, Duff, and Matt 10+ years as well to collectively put out an old style GnR type album. VR is the direction that Slash, Duff, and Matt would have taken GnR.Independently, over the years these guys have produced their own albums, but we all know how bad they were. Heck, let's admit it...their individual works sucks! It just goes to show that anybody can put out an album after an album but it takes real innovative creativity to produce art that will be remembered.So, in 10+ years, you can almost argue that Axl has produced more materials then the old GnR. Well, atleast we can bet on Axl's work to be more memoriable.Axl has 3+ albums worth of material. He could have released over the years these albums, but he chose not to. He has chosen to release them at a point where the new GnR was ready and the materials on the album were the best that they could possibly be. Just imagine what some of the new songs must have sounded like 7 or 10 years ago.Once Santa Clause delivers the new GnR merchandise and albums, we all weren't be able to keep up!Peace!Thats INSANE... they have all been involved in different projects and released albums. Even with Weiland's run ins with the law and drug problems, they got an album out in less than a year since VR became an official band. Axl is STILL working on the same shit for the last 10 years. WTF??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightrider Posted June 29, 2006 Author Share Posted June 29, 2006 (edited) Actually I can't see how u can say it took 10 years...all the guys were busy doing other stuff!They didn't spend the last years hiding in their mansions!And also CD is not out yet........They might as well have been hiding in their mansions! Nobody outside the hardcore GnR and Slash fans actually heard or knew about their solo (side) endeavours. Only VR has had some commercial success. VR is the first band and album produced by the old GnR that actual has some value.Come on, honestly, if Axl had sung on Snakepit's and VR albums, GnR would be insignificant at this point in time. They would be just like Motley Crue and those other 80's bands. GnR would be the brunt of all the jokes for fans of modern rock music.The point I'm trying to convey here is VR is the first recarnation of the old GnR that has actually had some real significance and impact on the modern rock music scene. Abeit, not that much though, but much more than Snake Pit or Duff's or Matt's or even Izzy's previous bands. So, yes they may have been keeping busy, but it's only recently that they, VR, has been noticed by the rest of the world. So, it's actually taken Slash and company 10+ years to produce an album of any significance (since UYI).So, if CD does come out this fall, and its every bit as good as the insiders say it is, then you can say that Axl has put 3 albums of significance. That's 2 more then the old GnR - and in LESS time! LOL Edited June 29, 2006 by knightrider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Manson Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 GnR would be the brunt of all the jokes for fans of modern rock music.You mean they aren't already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightrider Posted June 29, 2006 Author Share Posted June 29, 2006 You mean they aren't already? Exactly! As much as we love GnR, we need to face the fact that they are not highly respected by other musicians - even if GnR has had more commercial success. As cool as some of Slash's riffs were, Nirvana's Kurt Cobain had more respect. Axl wants to be successful, but he wants to be respected as a genius and musician by other musicians and intellectuals as well. Not just by Sebastian Bach and other long haired people from the 80's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAlien Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 You mean they aren't already? Exactly! As much as we love GnR, we need to face the fact that they are not highly respected by other musicians - even if GnR has had more commercial success. As cool as some of Slash's riffs were, Nirvana's Kurt Cobain had more respect. Axl wants to be successful, but he wants to be respected as a genius and musician by other musicians and intellectuals as well. Not just by Sebastian Bach and other long haired people from the 80's SLASH is very much appreciated and respected in the musical world actually... I can't tell the same for Axl maybe but i guess that's because of his prima donna attitude if only he could stop with all that shit... people would focus on his talent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 What's this emphasis on having an "impact" being "big" ??If you like playing, go out and play. Don't be cooped up in a hole for over a decade. Wanna rock? Go out and do it. All those side-projects you dismiss as irrelevant, they might not have slain the charts, but the guys sure as hell had a blast taking it out on the road, I can assure you of that.When Chinese Democracy doesn't become the next Joshua Tree or Dark Side Of The Moon, maybe then Axl might realize how much time he wasted not rocking out with/for the fans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightrider Posted June 29, 2006 Author Share Posted June 29, 2006 SLASH is very much appreciated and respected in the musical world actually...Slash is respected for his bluesy rock solos ... a throw back to the old rock days of Aerosmith, the Stones, and Led Zepplin. But any guitarist will tell you that that's not too hard. If anything, it's his presence on stage that makes him stand out. Not necessarily his craftsmanship.In terms of modern musicians, you don't hear too many of Slash's influences.Why do you think Axl believed that Slash was so easily dispensible when Matt introduced him to Robin Finck?If you like playing, go out and play. Don't be cooped up in a hole for over a decade. Wanna rock? Go out and do it.Maybe's that the point - Axl didn't like "rocking out" to the stuff that Slash was bringing to GnR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetness Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 Songs like 'Beggars & Hangers On', 'Be the Ball' and 'Serial Killer' wipe the floor with all of the current leaks..-Kickingthehabit :lol: Slash, how ya doing?............Laughing in denial again, way to go Funeral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAlien Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 SLASH is very much appreciated and respected in the musical world actually...Slash is respected for his bluesy rock solos ... a throw back to the old rock days of Aerosmith, the Stones, and Led Zepplin. But any guitarist will tell you that that's not too hard. If anything, it's his presence on stage that makes him stand out. Not necessarily his craftsmanship.In terms of modern musicians, you don't hear too many of Slash's influences.Why do you think Axl believed that Slash was so easily dispensible when Matt introduced him to Robin Finck?If you like playing, go out and play. Don't be cooped up in a hole for over a decade. Wanna rock? Go out and do it.Maybe's that the point - Axl didn't like "rocking out" to the stuff that Slash was bringing to GnR.I don't think Axl ever thought that SLASH was easily dispensible, SLASH left and he could do nothing about it, that's all, oh and SLASH is cool even if u listen without watching him..........plus, r u a GnR fan?Then u'd be a SLASH fan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martina Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 SLASH left and he could do nothing about it ofcourse,he could do nothing about his decision.>slash left - and he could do nothing about it< thats like,really stupid sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabre Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 If Slash is so dispensible, then why does axl need two guitarists to replace him?moreblack's got it right, Slash etc have been doing what they're doing, they're living they're life as rockstars, on the road, writing and recording songs. Ie all they ever wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Manson Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 If Slash is so dispensible, then why does axl need two guitarists to replace him?The guys got a point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patience 4 Axl Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 SLASH left and he could do nothing about it ofcourse,he could do nothing about his decision.>slash left - and he could do nothing about it< thats like,really stupid sentence.So is that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 SLASH left and he could do nothing about it ofcourse,he could do nothing about his decision.>slash left - and he could do nothing about it< thats like,really stupid sentence.So is that.I think martina missed that the "he" The Alien was talking about was Axl."Slash left - and Axl could do nothing about it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martina Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 if he=axl, than sentence sounds normalbut if he=slash,than sentence souns stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAlien Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 if he=axl, than sentence sounds normalbut if he=slash,than sentence souns stupid he=Axl, thanks moreblack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martina Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 ah,thats fine then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightrider Posted June 29, 2006 Author Share Posted June 29, 2006 (edited) If Slash is so dispensible, then why does axl need two guitarists to replace him?moreblack's got it right, Slash etc have been doing what they're doing, they're living they're life as rockstars, on the road, writing and recording songs. Ie all they ever wanted.Axl doesn't need two guitarist to replace Slash, are you kiddin'? It's already been stated in interviews and stuff before. Axl has always wanted another guitarist - ie. a 3 guitar band. If you listen carefully to the live and leak stuff, you notice that each of the three guitarist brings a different element and sound to the band. And these guitarist aren't your dumb Guilby Clarke type rhythmist either. If anything, Slash's ego was too big to share the music and stage with another guitarists. Just ask IZZY ... (Axl will confirm as well)But yeah, all the power to Slash for sticking with his guns, staying true to his brand of rock music, and doing what he only knows what to do. There's nothing wrong with that. I tend to admire more people like Axl who try to change the world - even if they fail, atleast they tried. Edited June 29, 2006 by knightrider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixtus Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 For those who complain about why Axl has taken so long, well, if you consider that VR is the first album produced by the 'old GnR', then you can almost argue that it's taken Slash, Duff, and Matt 10+ years as well to collectively put out an old style GnR type album. VR is the direction that Slash, Duff, and Matt would have taken GnR.Independently, over the years these guys have produced their own albums, but we all know how bad they were. Heck, let's admit it...their individual works sucks! It just goes to show that anybody can put out an album after an album but it takes real innovative creativity to produce art that will be remembered.So, in 10+ years, you can almost argue that Axl has produced more materials then the old GnR. Well, atleast we can bet on Axl's work to be more memoriable.Axl has 3+ albums worth of material. He could have released over the years these albums, but he chose not to. He has chosen to release them at a point where the new GnR was ready and the materials on the album were the best that they could possibly be. Just imagine what some of the new songs must have sounded like 7 or 10 years ago.Once Santa Clause delivers the new GnR merchandise and albums, we all weren't be able to keep up!Peace!excellent job boy..agree 100 percent!....and yeah...VR is just..SHIT..imagine THESE songs...would be GNR songs...uncle axl would never EVER release them..no way...so....GNR 2006/07..will kick ass again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawrence Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 If Slash is so dispensible, then why does axl need two guitarists to replace him?moreblack's got it right, Slash etc have been doing what they're doing, they're living they're life as rockstars, on the road, writing and recording songs. Ie all they ever wanted.Axl doesn't need two guitarist to replace Slash, are you kiddin'? It's already been stated in interviews and stuff before. Axl has always wanted another guitarist - ie. a 3 guitar band. If you listen carefully to the live and leak stuff, you notice that each of the three guitarist brings a different element and sound to the band. & none of those three elements sound as good as slash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funeral Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 If Slash is so dispensible, then why does axl need two guitarists to replace him?Fortus alone can play better than Slash!....check him out, DONNINGTON - June 11thPARADISE CITY PARADISE CITY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Flower Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 Fortus can play, but he can't create.He earns his wage playing stuff Slash created nearly twenty years ago. Plays it very well, though. Better than Finck, that's for damn sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackamo! Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 Slash is Overra--- I'll just keep it to myself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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