Would re-recording or re-doing old Videos be an insult to the old Gn’R?

[The Sandman]

Would re-recording or re-doing old Videos be an insult to the old Gn’R?

Hey Gunners,

When watching some of the classic older videos on Kerrang! that many people would not realise that people such as Slash, Duff or Izzy are no longer part of Guns N’ Roses as a group. In a time where commercials and promotion are vital to a bands success (although seemingly not with the lack of promotion compared to ticket sales of this tour…), music videos are inevitable for when the songs are released. What they may be? It is pure speculation, and for which songs too, no-one knows. The problem being, unlike most other bands where only a member may have changed – if that, this group has gone through more changes than William Shatner’s career has.

What I’m getting at is that many, including Uncle Axl, won’t want to be promoting the ‘old’ Gunners, instead the ‘new’ Gunners, and thus won’t want the old videos shown as much, if at all. Especially as he’s worked hard to put across to us the ‘new’ Gn’R through tours. It will leave people disappointed if they don’t see who they thought it should be in videos, or even on tour, and thus may lead him to re-record certain videos, or even produce new ones for songs that haven’t got them. The current video list stands at:

Welcome to the Jungle (original and Live Era)

It’s So Easy (banned and Live Era)

Sweet Child O’ Mine (original and Alternate)

Paradise City

Patience

You Could Be Mine

Don’t Cry (Original and Alt)

Live and Let Die

November Rain

Yesterdays

The Garden

Civil War

Dead Horse

Garden Of Eden

Estranged

Since I Don’t Have You

Of those, only 8 are played regularly on the current tour. This leaves a lot of leeway for videos of older songs, but with the new band. Songs such as ‘Mr.Brownstone’, ‘My Michelle’, ‘Rocket Queen’, ‘Out Ta Get Me’, ‘Think About You’, ‘Nightrain’ or even reduxes of the songs such as ‘You Could Be Mine’, or ‘Knockin’ On Heaven’s Door’ – songs that never made it onto the ‘Welcome To The Videos’ set due to copyright issues.

By doing this, this could allow mass promotion for the band through music channels, and acquaints them with the new band, through re-recorded versions of the old songs. We already know Appetite was re-recorded, and imagine new videos made from those, side by side with videos of ‘Chinese Democracy’, ‘Better’ and ‘I.R.S’. Whilst only speculative, it certainly provides a lot of scope, new videos or re-recordings. But if this was done, is it an insult to the old Gn’R? The people who actually wrote the songs for the most part? Is it unfair to remove their videos or replace them as the times change? Or start to phase them out as part of a mass promotional campaign?

Whilst I’m not for re-recording many videos, to redo the copyright bound videos and make new ones for those songs which do not have them could be a very good promotional exercise. However, is this unfair on the old gunners, or an indication of how times have changed?

Indeed, is putting out a re-recorded version of Appetite ‘wrong’? Is it unfair to re-record the work of artists, and re-release it using the new band? In essence, it would be a cover with changes (i.e. Nightrain solos, Sweet Child length, etc.), but would this be permissible? As fans of a group, would you want to see this happen – to signify the change in time and the group? Or would you see it as more of a desecration of a sacred object, that shouldn’t be touched by a group of musicians?

I’m throwing ideas out there, and wanting opinions, anyone willing to provide?

Sandman.

[Binge_And_Slash]

Recording old videos DEFINATELY would be an insult.

I don't know if they re-recorded a song or two, and then threw in a live video of it, that might be okay.

but re-doing old videos would be terrible.

[st0n3r]

As much as I like the new band, I don't think Axl should do this. It really is an insult for the old band. People who are new to GNR and see the new vids wouldn't give them the respect they deserve for creating the songs. After all, It was Axl, Slash, Duff and Izzy who wrote them, not the new band.

(My english isn't that good, but I hope you get my point)

[Charles Manson]

Nice idea for a discussion dude.

I think it would be pissing on the original bands work if they were to release re-recorded work or re-shoot entire music videos...

But then again, actually using the name GnR is an insult to the old band when they are more or less a glorified cover band.

I think they should focus only on Chinese Democracy and make a name for themselves with that, than rather living off other peoples former glorys. And then the above sentence will be void, and they shall be known as The next generation of GnR or The Evolution of GnR with the awesomeness that is Chinese Democracy.

But in order for this to work, Axl really needs to hurry up and "Bury Appetite..."

[.Seal]

It would simply be useless. When CD is released Im sure that GN'R will start concentrating on CD songs more leaving few of the hits (PC, WTTJ etc..) to the list.

[thefriendlyfiend]

Really bad idea. Don't touch the original video's. People like to see the old video's. Make some new video's of Chinese Democrazy, but don't change history!

[The Sandman]

Nice idea for a discussion dude.

Cheers

Would you be bothered if they released previously unreleased tracks after re-recording them? Such as Crash Diet, etc.?

[.Seal]

Nice idea for a discussion dude.

Cheers

Would you be bothered if they released previously unreleased tracks after re-recording them? Such as Crash Diet, etc.?

Why would they do that?? CD is coming and like Axl said they've got songs worth 2 and half cds..

Edited July 14, 2006 by .Seal

[steveysham]

I think they should focus only on Chinese Democracy and make a name for themselves with that, than rather living off other peoples former glorys

see i dont know why people say this because it's not asif they are re-selling all the songs. People don't know what songs they are going to see when going to a gig and it's not asif they have to pay for everysong that's played.

i wouldn't re-record the videos its a pointless waste of money and gnr has an interesting history which would be a shame to erase.

[Desilusioned]

That would go simply against the reason of existence of this new band, Axl didn't wanted to create a new band in order to erase the old lineup, the continuation of Gn'R is what it is..the continuation of Gn'R, only with a diferent lineup...

This new band will certanly leave the old stuff basically the same, they only changed it in lives performances!

If they touch the old stuff material, it would be an extremely cocky an arrogant move by the band...they would get me surprised if they did that! (oh and of course, "the haters!" will fire at will against the band)

To end, stop calling GN'R a cover band, fisrt of all the name is still the same so the band can't really be covering theire own stuff, and they have new songs...it just wrong and it gives a bad image of who call thos band a cover band!

Think About it!

[Longpig]

The reason the old videos are flying about is because there is a market for GnR, but nothing new to put on. As soon as 2/3/4 singles are released then the focus will be on them, rather than the old songs. I'm sure that they won't disappear altogether but will not get nearly as much airplay.

So the way to promote the new band is to get product out there done by the new band. I really don't think channels would not play the new stuff, I just think it's not there and there's a need for GnR.

So get it out already!!

LP

[Charles Manson]

I think they should focus only on Chinese Democracy and make a name for themselves with that, than rather living off other peoples former glorys

see i dont know why people say this because it's not asif they are re-selling all the songs. People don't know what songs they are going to see when going to a gig and it's not asif they have to pay for everysong that's played.

I was talking about the name. AFD, UYI, TSI, Lies are whats connected to GnR as far as albums go. and this version of GnR have no ties with that material whatsoever. This is why they need to "bury Appetite" and focus more on getting CD out there and getting new songs played at the gigs. Otherwise they are living off the former bands glory...

But hopefully, the days of all this will come to an end. and hopefully, "soon" will BE the word!

[LA_0013]

It would never happen. Ever.

I mean, some people are always against Axl as it is (whether justified or not). Some already think he is egotistical, and others think he should never be using the name GNR with a whole new band.

But if he were to pull off something like that, I think many people would just see him as a complete asshole. So it won't happen.

LA

[T Patten]

They're not the new band's songs, so it would be a massive insult to the proper members of Guns n Roses and it'd be totally pathetic if Axl went that low.

Edited July 14, 2006 by T Patten

[marina]

It would never happen. Ever.

I mean, some people are always against Axl as it is (whether justified or not). Some already think he is egotistical, and others think he should never be using the name GNR with a whole new band.

But if he were to pull off something like that, I think many people would just see him as a complete asshole. So it won't happen.

LA

plus it would look stupid. those videos belong in a space n time, what u gonna have bumble playin his foot guitar outside of some desert chapel? or even funnier, if he were still in the band, buckethead drivin a car offa cliff? it'd also look like axl was frightened to do anything other than the old shit n it'd detract IMMENSELY from the Chi Dem album

Edited July 14, 2006 by marina

[steveysham]

the thing i don't get is. people are gettin uppy about using the name but when you think about it, if axl wants to continue playing guns n' roses music what else would you call the band? "Axl and the errotic daiseys?"

To say the band has no ties is utter bull. Ok the guys supporting axl may not have but axl is the only guy who has been there since the beginning. Dizzy has minor ties with some of the illusion stuff aswell. Would you not be happier knowing that it is axl and his choosen people that is playing the gnr stuff rather than the new generations being deprived of hearing it live until the day all the gnr music is covered by various rap, pop, and pop idol winners. When yoy think about it a new fan at a concert sees them play with no knowlesge of the past, they go home buy the old albums and discover it's even better.

[marina]

the thing i don't get is. people are gettin uppy about using the name but when you think about it, if axl wants to continue playing guns n' roses music what else would you call the band? "Axl and the errotic daiseys?"

To say the band has no ties is utter bull. Ok the guys supporting axl may not have but axl is the only guy who has been there since the beginning. Dizzy has minor ties with some of the illusion stuff aswell. Would you not be happier knowing that it is axl and his choosen people that is playing the gnr stuff rather than the new generations being deprived of hearing it live until the day all the gnr music is covered by various rap, pop, and pop idol winners. When yoy think about it a new fan at a concert sees them play with no knowlesge of the past, they go home buy the old albums and discover it's even better.

what would i call the band? Axl Rose N The Fill In The Blanks perhaps?

[Charles Manson]

the thing i don't get is. people are gettin uppy about using the name but when you think about it, if axl wants to continue playing guns n' roses music what else would you call the band? "Axl and the errotic daiseys?"

To say the band has no ties is utter bull. Ok the guys supporting axl may not have but axl is the only guy who has been there since the beginning. Dizzy has minor ties with some of the illusion stuff aswell. Would you not be happier knowing that it is axl and his choosen people that is playing the gnr stuff rather than the new generations being deprived of hearing it live until the day all the gnr music is covered by various rap, pop, and pop idol winners. When yoy think about it a new fan at a concert sees them play with no knowlesge of the past, they go home buy the old albums and discover it's even better.

what would i call the band? Axl Rose N The Fill In The Blanks perhaps?

"fatty mcgee and the guys who arent slash" - Conan B)

[marina]

the thing i don't get is. people are gettin uppy about using the name but when you think about it, if axl wants to continue playing guns n' roses music what else would you call the band? "Axl and the errotic daiseys?"

To say the band has no ties is utter bull. Ok the guys supporting axl may not have but axl is the only guy who has been there since the beginning. Dizzy has minor ties with some of the illusion stuff aswell. Would you not be happier knowing that it is axl and his choosen people that is playing the gnr stuff rather than the new generations being deprived of hearing it live until the day all the gnr music is covered by various rap, pop, and pop idol winners. When yoy think about it a new fan at a concert sees them play with no knowlesge of the past, they go home buy the old albums and discover it's even better.

what would i call the band? Axl Rose N The Fill In The Blanks perhaps?

"fatty mcgee and the guys who arent slash" - Conan B)

thats some fucked up shit!!

[sweetness]

I would lose all my respect for Axl, like he cares about that.

[The Sandman]

Nice idea for a discussion dude.

Cheers

Would you be bothered if they released previously unreleased tracks after re-recording them? Such as Crash Diet, etc.?

Why would they do that?? CD is coming and like Axl said they've got songs worth 2 and half cds..

He has never specified that those tracks aren't previous demos, or songs, has he? Thus, he could put Crash Diet on Chinese Democracy. They do start with the same letter

Edited July 14, 2006 by The Sandman

[Rebel Yell]

Re-recording or re-doing old videos would be an insult to Universal's pocketbook.

Not to mention Axl now thinks some of the videos are cheesy.

[November_rain]

I think that´s not going to happen dudes.

[Nightcrawler]

Recording old videos DEFINATELY would be an insult.

I don't know if they re-recorded a song or two, and then threw in a live video of it, that might be okay.

but re-doing old videos would be terrible.

Not to mention a waste of time. Nobody would play them. If it's for commericials promoting tour stops, just use live footage of the new band.

Axl did re-record AFD and a couple of other songs already. I'd love to hear them.

[buzzkillz]

the real question should be, why would you want that to happen??