Axl hates UYIs?

[Newbie Rose]

I mean come on, only four songs out of 30 are being played. Well okay, all four are played each night, but WTF, two covers (Live & Let die, KOHD) and two obvious smash hits (YCBM & November rain) and thats it?

We all know that theres so much more to "Use your Illusion"s than just those songs;

"Dont cry"(fuck the Bumblefoot "solo"), "Civil war", "Estranged", "The Garden", "Garden of eden"... the list goes on. Some of these songs could well work with the new material, and some of them would be full-on straight forward adrenaline rush rocknroll... not to mention most of them being big hits aswell...

In comparison they play 8-10 songs from "Appetite" each night, and songs like "Think about you" or "My michelle" are indeed fan favourites but hardly smash hits or songs that a wider audience would like to hear instead of say "Dont cry" or "Civil war".

The setlists during this tour have been GREAT, but not surprising at all, especially if you think what theyve played from UYIs.

Or might AXL just be afraid how the not-so-familiar UYI songs get across... But that cant be since theyre playin the new songs...

So PLEASE play MY WORLD atleast just once...

Just my toughts tough...

Edited September 22, 2006 by Newbie Rose

[SylvesterStallone]

That's a good question and I think a lot of us are wondering about it. Why is it the UYI songs are not making it onto the setlists? They seem very much suited to this band. It's not like they haven't had plenty of time to learn the whole catalogue by now.

Axl was never a big fan of the AFD style songs, if anything he has always alluded to the fact that he made that record so that he could do UYI which was his grand vision.

If he hates UYI now it would be very ironic since that whole project was pretty much his baby.

It's really too bad, I wonder if we will ever hear UYI tunes like civil war, estranged, pretty tied up,etc ever again...

Edit: There is no way an audience would rather hear cover tunes like KOHD and LALD or AFD's weaker tunes like My Michelle and Out ta get me over "Don't Cry", "Civil War", "Estranged",etc. No freakin way. There is really no excuse to not play Don't Cry, that is the first guns n roses song ever written and an absolute classic. It has every right to be on that setlist along with November Rain.

Edited September 22, 2006 by SylvesterStallone

[Newbie Rose]

DUST & BONES or/and PRETTY TIED UP played with Izzy... ahhh....

[NEU-YORK]

the new band are supposed to have like 70 songs written.

maybe they learned AFD and a select few and then concentrated on the new stuff. thats what we all want anyway itsn't it???????

[Rick]

I think everyone has always wondered why they don't do more.

I'd love to hear Axl's response in an interview.

R.

[Axls_Disillusion]

That's a good question and I think a lot of us are wondering about it. Why is it the UYI songs are not making it onto the setlists? They seem very much suited to this band. It's not like they haven't had plenty of time to learn the whole catalogue by now.

Axl was never a big fan of the AFD style songs, if anything he has always alluded to the fact that he made that record so that he could do UYI which was his grand vision.

If he hates UYI now it would be very ironic since that whole project was pretty much his baby.

It's really too bad, I wonder if we will ever hear UYI tunes like civil war, estranged, pretty tied up,etc ever again...

Edit: There is no way an audience would rather hear cover tunes like KOHD and LALD or AFD's weaker tunes like My Michelle and Out ta get me over "Don't Cry", "Civil War", "Estranged",etc. No freakin way. There is really no excuse to not play Don't Cry, that is the first guns n roses song ever written and an absolute classic. It has every right to be on that setlist along with November Rain.

my michelle and out ta get me actually suit the band perfectly. Some of the most energetic songs of the performance. you'll see what i mean in a couple weeks

[F*ck Fear]

To be honest I don't want them to play anymore UYI material. As the tour goes on, maybe play Don't Cry, because well, Ron plays it now anyways. But I'd like to see more old tunes dropped only to be replaced by Chinese Democracy songs.

[Charles Manson]

UYI was partly the reason Nirvana got big.

UYI as good as it was, was too much. Not enough emotion and rawness. Nirvana had that.

If UYI was recorded in the same style as AFD with raw emotion and with the occasional piano bits (NR, Estranged etc) and none of that synth shit, it wouldv'e smashed Nevermind (I love that album aswell)

So in brief, Axl was upset that his vision didn't do aswell as he wanted and he knows this. So as of late, he says that the Illusions was all Slash etc. He tried to "bury Appetite" but couldn't and he wants to forget about them.

With that being said, I still love the Illusions because thought the old GnR were artistic gods with some of the songs on that Album.

[F*ck Fear]

I love those albums. Fuck I'm listening to Back Of Bitch right now. I just don't think this band needs to play them. Lets roll on, and get some Chinese Democracy tunes.

[Bromle]

There was a inteveiw posted here not to long ago where he said something about it. Not directly, but you got the idea with it.

It was about re recording Appetite. And the reason he did that was becouse he knew that although many fans love the UYI stuff. It's the appetite people love the most. And That is right. Although I personally prefer the illusions anyday. But most poeple like appetite more and he knows that. He is just trying to give the fans what they want.

And I also think's its about emotional stuff to. Why he don't play estranged. And the way Slash made it work with the guitar. I think it would just tear him appart. And like Dizzy said in Makin the fucking videos. It was not a fun song to do live becouse it was so damn hard. So many pauses etc. I think the new band would pull it off. Bu t I think they prefer the old "easy" songs.

[Shuffle]

I'm pretty sure the reason they don't play Don't Cry anymore is because the guy that Axl sang it with, Shannon Hoon (I think it was his cousin, not sure though), died and that it's to painful or something like that.

[Kesseli]

like axl said himself "I worked too hard on my illusions just to throw them all awaaaaay"

[DirtyDeeds]

That's a good question and I think a lot of us are wondering about it. Why is it the UYI songs are not making it onto the setlists? They seem very much suited to this band. It's not like they haven't had plenty of time to learn the whole catalogue by now.

Axl was never a big fan of the AFD style songs, if anything he has always alluded to the fact that he made that record so that he could do UYI which was his grand vision.

If he hates UYI now it would be very ironic since that whole project was pretty much his baby.

It's really too bad, I wonder if we will ever hear UYI tunes like civil war, estranged, pretty tied up,etc ever again...

Edit: There is no way an audience would rather hear cover tunes like KOHD and LALD or AFD's weaker tunes like My Michelle and Out ta get me over "Don't Cry", "Civil War", "Estranged",etc. No freakin way. There is really no excuse to not play Don't Cry, that is the first guns n roses song ever written and an absolute classic. It has every right to be on that setlist along with November Rain.

I would rather hear My Michelle and Out Ta Get Me than Don't Cry and Civil War. Estranged I'd like to hear, though.

[IndiannaRose]

That's a good question and I think a lot of us are wondering about it. Why is it the UYI songs are not making it onto the setlists? They seem very much suited to this band. It's not like they haven't had plenty of time to learn the whole catalogue by now.

Axl was never a big fan of the AFD style songs, if anything he has always alluded to the fact that he made that record so that he could do UYI which was his grand vision.

If he hates UYI now it would be very ironic since that whole project was pretty much his baby.

It's really too bad, I wonder if we will ever hear UYI tunes like civil war, estranged, pretty tied up,etc ever again...

Edit: There is no way an audience would rather hear cover tunes like KOHD and LALD or AFD's weaker tunes like My Michelle and Out ta get me over "Don't Cry", "Civil War", "Estranged",etc. No freakin way. There is really no excuse to not play Don't Cry, that is the first guns n roses song ever written and an absolute classic. It has every right to be on that setlist along with November Rain.

I would rather hear My Michelle and Out Ta Get Me than Don't Cry and Civil War. Estranged I'd like to hear, though.

You'd rather hear Out Ta Get Me than Civil War?....

[blzbub]

Maybe there's a different royalty arrangement for UYI than AFD or Lies. Given the strife and lawsuits between Axl, Slash and Duff, it may be a means to keep from paying those dudes any more cake than he has to. Maybe someday he'll play "So Fine" as a gesture of reconciliation . . .

[Patience 4 Axl]

Edit: There is no way an audience would rather hear cover tunes like KOHD and LALD or AFD's weaker tunes like My Michelle and Out ta get me over "Don't Cry", "Civil War", "Estranged",etc. No freakin way.

I can agree with that. I hate the new version of KOHD. Brings me down almost as much as the guitar solos.

As far as people not knowing alot of the UYI material compared to AFD, many people don't know Better, IRS, Madagascar, CD, The Blues, etc. yet, and they still play them, and there's no guarantee they'll even be on the album, and didn't Axl say they would not be released as singles either. So yeah, not sure why he wouldn't play another one or two songs from those albums, at least until we actually get CD and some new material.

[stu]

DUST & BONES or/and PRETTY TIED UP played with Izzy... ahhh....

Ahh back in the good ol' days, those songs are what GN'R are all about, well that and a bunch of other songs

[Chris Axl]

DUST & BONES or/and PRETTY TIED UP played with Izzy... ahhh....

Ahh back in the good ol' days, those songs are what GN'R are all about, well that and a bunch of other songs

[elmir]

picture these two scenarios:

ONE.

you've been a gnr fan for as long as you can remember...you have all the records, collected more bootlegs than anyone else, own more merchandise than any other fan...but you've never been to a concert....

then you hear that they're coming to a venue near you...and you freak out...you can't believe it...you queue for tickets, stand all day just so you can get a place near the front, all of your favorite gnr songs are going through your head, you're imagining what the outro to NR sounds like live, what the SCOM solos are like, does he really use the wow wow pedal or not....a billion questions....then...the show ends....they play none of those songs...instead you got Garden of Eden and Don't Damn me...

would you be disappointed?

TWO.

You're a casual fan of GNR, you were into them in the early nineties, when power ballads were big, and you own a few albums...you got the GH to remind yourself, but you don't lose sleep over them, and you definitelly cannot name all the new members, you actually have no clue what the band is doing nowdays...

then you hear that they're playing in a venue near you....and you get all sentimental....start remembering all the songs you used to like...and what they remind you of....you stand all day in a queue...get a good seat...and then they play some songs you don't really know....you think its the new stuff, but you're not too interested in that...you want the classics....the ones which made you like them...so you can sing along...

would you be disappointed?

Does this answer your question?

I don't think Axl hates any of his work....he may not be entirely happy with the way some songs turned out, but he definitelly doesn't hate it....not after it made him millions and millions of dollars....

gnr in 2006 is a much more commercially oriented machine, and it sunusual for us to see, as it was never like this with them.

the musical landscape has changed, and a different approach is required.

he is just re-establishing himself, until the time comes to unleash the new beast he's been working on.

[cuneo77]

yesterdays would be cool to hear

[The Sandman]

He doesn't hate them, but perhaps feels that they are more personal to him, and thus keeps them to himself.

[Leigh-Rok!]

picture these two scenarios:

ONE.

you've been a gnr fan for as long as you can remember...you have all the records, collected more bootlegs than anyone else, own more merchandise than any other fan...but you've never been to a concert....

then you hear that they're coming to a venue near you...and you freak out...you can't believe it...you queue for tickets, stand all day just so you can get a place near the front, all of your favorite gnr songs are going through your head, you're imagining what the outro to NR sounds like live, what the SCOM solos are like, does he really use the wow wow pedal or not....a billion questions....then...the show ends....they play none of those songs...instead you got Garden of Eden and Don't Damn me...

would you be disappointed?

TWO.

You're a casual fan of GNR, you were into them in the early nineties, when power ballads were big, and you own a few albums...you got the GH to remind yourself, but you don't lose sleep over them, and you definitelly cannot name all the new members, you actually have no clue what the band is doing nowdays...

then you hear that they're playing in a venue near you....and you get all sentimental....start remembering all the songs you used to like...and what they remind you of....you stand all day in a queue...get a good seat...and then they play some songs you don't really know....you think its the new stuff, but you're not too interested in that...you want the classics....the ones which made you like them...so you can sing along...

would you be disappointed?

Does this answer your question?

I don't think Axl hates any of his work....he may not be entirely happy with the way some songs turned out, but he definitelly doesn't hate it....not after it made him millions and millions of dollars....

gnr in 2006 is a much more commercially oriented machine, and it sunusual for us to see, as it was never like this with them.

the musical landscape has changed, and a different approach is required.

he is just re-establishing himself, until the time comes to unleash the new beast he's been working on.

Fantastic post. That's it, ring the bell, close the thread... this contest is over!

Elmir, thank you.

[Kesseli]

picture these two scenarios:

ONE.

you've been a gnr fan for as long as you can remember...you have all the records, collected more bootlegs than anyone else, own more merchandise than any other fan...but you've never been to a concert....

then you hear that they're coming to a venue near you...and you freak out...you can't believe it...you queue for tickets, stand all day just so you can get a place near the front, all of your favorite gnr songs are going through your head, you're imagining what the outro to NR sounds like live, what the SCOM solos are like, does he really use the wow wow pedal or not....a billion questions....then...the show ends....they play none of those songs...instead you got Garden of Eden and Don't Damn me...

would you be disappointed?

TWO.

You're a casual fan of GNR, you were into them in the early nineties, when power ballads were big, and you own a few albums...you got the GH to remind yourself, but you don't lose sleep over them, and you definitelly cannot name all the new members, you actually have no clue what the band is doing nowdays...

then you hear that they're playing in a venue near you....and you get all sentimental....start remembering all the songs you used to like...and what they remind you of....you stand all day in a queue...get a good seat...and then they play some songs you don't really know....you think its the new stuff, but you're not too interested in that...you want the classics....the ones which made you like them...so you can sing along...

would you be disappointed?

Does this answer your question?

I don't think Axl hates any of his work....he may not be entirely happy with the way some songs turned out, but he definitelly doesn't hate it....not after it made him millions and millions of dollars....

gnr in 2006 is a much more commercially oriented machine, and it sunusual for us to see, as it was never like this with them.

the musical landscape has changed, and a different approach is required.

he is just re-establishing himself, until the time comes to unleash the new beast he's been working on.

bahahahahahaahhaahha

[rougerckr]

axl once said when making the UYI album that he hated people recognizin gnr only for AFD songs- i guess that's what is happenin now - he did put alot of him in that album n worked his ass off maybe it brings him bad memories about his life n the band

[Son Of A Gun]

Apparently Axl said that he does not wish to play songs of a 'dying band' reffering to Gn'R from the 90's.

Edited September 22, 2006 by Son Of A Gun