Led Zeppelin

[moreblack]

D&C is pretty metal for it's time though. It is a heavy song regardless.

As for Clapton's greatness and influence. It's big, but no bigger than Page's.

Edited November 16, 2006 by moreblack

[Iron MikeyJ]

the best rock band ever definetly.

care to explain why?

Well, for one, the group was made up of one of the most influential drummers of all time, one of the most influential bass players of all time, one of the most influential guitarists of all time and one of the most influential singers of all time. They were all ridiculously talented in their particular area.

Along with Sabbath, they were largely responsible for spawning heavy metal, and have influenced in some way or another the majority of rock bands ever since.

They tapped into a wide range of genres, ranging from heavy metal to folk to pure blues, and were able to produce album after album full of killer songs, not to mention being one of the best live acts ever

See thats what i don't get, influentual?

They certainly didn't do anything new as far as i see it.

Kieth Moon and John Entwistle were a much more talented and influentual rythym section than Led Zeps, and they had been doing for almost a decade before Zep came along.

Clapton and Beck were much better, influentual and innovative guitarists than Page. Clapton was using large amounts of distortion before anyone else, and meshed the blues into rock before many others.

I think Led Zeppelin were sort of a 3rd wave of British invasion. They weren't doing anything new that Cream, Beatles, Stones, Ten Years After, Yardbirds, Deep Purple etc had already done.

And whats so Metal about Led Zep anyway? Deep Purple and Sabbath are much more Metal.

For starters Keith Moon and Entwistle are not more talented or more influential that Bonham or John Paul Jones. Bonham is considered the best rock and roll drummer by many educated percusion players. John Paul Jones was one of the top session bass players of the 60's. He played on some of the Rolling Stones early recordings. Let's not forget his keyboard and mandolin playing skills either. He was much more to Led Zeppelin than just a bass player.

Secondly Clapton and Beck are not better, more influential, or more innovative than Jimmy Page. Clapton is a great lead player but his rhythm playing was not that impressive untill the last 15 years or so. Jimi Hendrix used to make fun of Clapton because all he used to play was lead. Page on the other hand (like Hendrix) plays lead and rhythm at the same time. Which is much more difficult. I agree Beck is a great player but not as good as Page. Beck is great some nights and vary sloppy other nights. He is not consistant. Page, Clapton, and Beck all came on the music scene at the same time. Clapton made it famous first, but Page was the top session guitar player in England during the 60's. He played on records by the Stones, The Who, The Kinks just to name a few. He was the top "hired gun" of the time. From a compisitional stand point Page is by far the best. His originial compisitions include Stairway to heaven, THe rain song, Over the hills and far away, Kashmir, The battle of evermore, ramble on, and D'yer Mak'er just to name a few. These pieces are much more intricit, beautiful, and memoriable than anything Clapton or Beck have ever done. And let's not forget soloing ability. Page can tear up a guitar with greater ease than Clapton or Beck. Page's solos are much more memoriable than either Clapton's or Beck's. Clapton hasn't done a good guitar solo since he left Cream. Every solo he did after Cream is crap in my opinion. He is completly over rated. Beck is a great soloist but they are not nearly as memoriable as Pages. Page has distinct tone and style that is completly unique to him. In my opinion he is the best guitar soloist ever. If you disagree go watch the zeppelin dvd box set. Page plays like a man possesed in those performances. The only downside to Page is that he got way more into drugs than Clapton or Beck and they did affect his playing. After Zeppelin broke up Page's guitar work has not been vary impressive. Right now, today Clapton and Beck probably are better players, but at their best Page was far superior. And finally Clapton bought his first fuzz box (distortion pedal) from the man who originally made it for Page. Page told Clapton and Beck where to go and get one.

Thirdly, Led Zeppelin was the most talented and one of the most creative rock bands ever. Every member of Led Zeppelin are considered to be one of the best ever at their givin instrument. That's partly why the are so influential. Another reason is that every rock band to follow Led Zeppelin has been severly influenced by them. Guns n' roses, metallica, ac/dc, Van Halen, Nirvana, pearl jam, alice in chains, aerosmith, kiss, and countless others were completly influenced by zeppelin. Then other bands were influenced by the bands I just mentioned so even if a band doesn't like Led Zeppelin (which every rock band does) they are still influenced by them some how.

Finally, yes the beatles, stones, Hendrix, Cream, and Ten years after were first. but they were not nearly as "balls to the wall" as Zeppelin was. Led Zeppelin was the meanest, heaviest, baddest thing on the block. And heavy to Zeppelin wasn't volume it was an attitude. They invented the whole sex, drugs, and rock and roll attitude. Before Zeppelin rock and roll was all peace and love not sex, drugs, and rock and roll. The Yardbids were similiar to Zeppelin but thats because Zeppelin was formed from the yardbirds. Jimmy Page wrote Dazed and Confused while he was a member of the yardbirds and their are some yarbirds performances of Dazed and confused that do exist. Led Zeppelin's originial name was the new yardbirds. Deep Purple came way after Zeppelin so how could they influence Zeppelin? And Zeppelin's first album came out a few months before Black Sabbath's first album so Led Zeppelin I is the first hard rock/ heavy metal album ever. All though I don't consider Zeppelin to be a heavy metal band, they did create the hard rock genre

Hopefully you guys can understand Zeppelin a little bit better now.

Well...

Your really kidding yourself if you think JPJ is a better Bassist than Entwistle. Entwistle is THE greatest rock bassist ever, period. While other bassists were just playing root notes, Entwistle thought outside the box. His playing is highly intricate and melodic. He was right handed tapping back in the early 60's aswell. He has influenced every rock bassist after him, i bet JPJ learnt alot off Entwistle. And sure while Moon is not technical drummer he was the first drummer to put so much energy and passion into his drumming, no one hit the skins harder than Moonie. Bonham wasn't anywhere near the best drummer of his time, Bill Bruford and Carl Palmer were much much more skilled drummers any educated drummer would know that. Finally The Who were a much better live act (And i'm 99.99% sure Page never played on a Who record)

Yes Clapton is far far more influentual. He was the first to use large amounts of overdrive (and im not talking from a pedal, thats the poor mans way) i'm talking Amps cranked to 11 distortion. He was the first British guitarist to sucessfully mesh Blues into Rock. He was the first to popularise the Wah pedal, and IMHO is still the best at using one. I don't know where the hell you are talking about him being shit at rhyhtm guitar, he is great, remember Clapton sings too. Clapton is a far better soloist guitarist, Buy Derek & The Domino's Live At The Fillmore East, you'll hear what real solos are. His solos are more expessive, more emotional, and just darn better. He is an amazing improviser, one of the best. Page can't write songs from the heart like Layla, which is better than anything Led Zep has ever done. Page learnt from Clapton, Beck and Alvin Lee, but he's just shitter than them all.

The greatest claim to fame for Led Zep you say is they "invented" "sex drugs and rock n roll" well woop de doo, what an achivement, too bad it has actully nothing to do with the music they played. Besides, The Stone were doing "sex drugs and rock n roll" and Hard Rock well before Led Zep came on the scene.

Take a listern to Sabbath's debut, it is sooo much heaveir than anything Zeppelin did, Led Zeppelin I is a shit rip off of blues classics and is hardly heavy at all. Helter Sketler is heavier than all of LP I

Led Zeppelin are grossly overrated.

For starters I didn't say Jones was better than Entwhistle I said he was a bigger part of the band than just a bassists, he played KEYBOARDS and MANDOLIN also. And you are fooling yourself if you think Moon was better than Bonham. The three best rock drummers of the 60's were Ginger Baker, Mitch Mitchell, and John Bonham. Keith Moon was more known for his antics like blowing up his drum set or falling over drunk while playing than for his actual playing. As far as what you said about Page you need to take a rock and roll history lesson my friend. Page was not influenced in anyway by Clapton. They were both well known musicians at the same time. That's like saying Angus Young was influenced by Joe Perry. It's just not so. And for your information when Clapton left the Yardbirds the remaing members asked Page if he wanted to join. They wanted him because Page and Clapton were the best players at that time. Page declined and then suggested his friend Jeff Beck, as we all know Beck got the job. About a year later the Yardbirds were about to break up and Beck begged Page to join. Originially he played bass for them, but he quickly jumped back on guitar. For a short time Page and Beck were both playing lead in the band. I have all of those recordings and they are pretty bad ass. Eventually Beck quit the band, and Page carried on as the sole lead player, untill the band finally called it quits. When the band finally broke up Page was left with all the equipment and the rights to the yardbirds name (kinda like what Axl has with the gnr name) but he decided to start a new band --- Led Zeppelin. Beck and Page were freinds from about the age of 13. So of course they both influenced one another. One more thing about Clapton you said Layla is the better than anything Zeppelin ever did. Yes it is a great song but in case you didn't know Duane Allman plays the outro guitar solo that is heard during the end piano section, not Clapton! I think you need to go do your homework son and get back to me. And yes you are 99.99% wrong because Page did play some guitar on The Who's ealy records. You say Clapton did this and Clapton did that but your forgetting about Mr. Jimi Hendrix. Hendrix didn't think vary much of Clapton because he knew like most knowledgable guitar players--- that he is overrated. I have a Hendrix interview from the 60's were he rags on Clapton pretty hard. Don't get me wrong I do like Clapton, he is probably one of 10-15 best rock guitar players ever, but that's it. Page, Van Halen, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Hendrix, Maalmsteen, Vai, And Satriani are all better rock players. And Hendrix, Stevie ray Vaughn, Robert Johnson, and Albert Lee are better blues players.

And yes Led Zeppelin did invent the sex, drugs, and rock and roll persona. The Stones hadn't yet found their grove. They had released some great songs like Satisfaction, but for the most part they were a poor man's Beatles. Everything the Beatles did the Stones tried to copy. Beatles did Sgt. Pepper the Stones did Satanic Majesty's. The Stones didn't really come into their own untill the late 60's early 70's, and by that time Led Zeppelin was all ready out. You say that Black Sabbath's first album is much hader than Zeppelin's first album, well ok maybe it was, but like I said Heavy wasn't a volume to Zeppelijn it was an attitude. And Dazed and Confused (from Zeppelin I) is just as hard as anything Sabbath ever did. As is Kashmir, In my time of dying, Whole lotta love, Black Dog, Immigrant song, and Nobody's fault but mine. The big difference in the two bands is Sabbath relies mostly on power chords while Zeppelin relies on riffs (in their harder songs anyway). It is really a matter of taste, but Zeppelin is far more intricate than Sabbath. And to say that Helter Skelter is heavier than all of Zeppelin I, well that's just idiotic. Is that the best argument you have?

To summerize, if somebody doesn't really like Led Zeppelin, well that's their perogative, but to say they suck or are overrated that's idiotic. No other hard rock band had the scope, range, talent, or diversity that Zeppelin had. If you like the blues, listen to Zeppelin, if you like hard rock, listen to Zeppelin, if you like folk, listen to Zeppelin, if you like country, listen to Zeppelin, if you like acid rock, listen to Zeppelin, if you like ballads, listen to Zeppelin, this band covered it all and coverd it all better than anyone else. And finally if you don't like Led Zeppelin then you don't like great guitar driven rock and roll.

Entwistle can also play Trumpet too, (and very well i might add) so there I never said Moon was the best drummer around, but he certainly had the most energy and will always be remember for it, his drumming IS very good though, you should have a listern properly one day. Baker and Mitchell were very good drummers i must admit, but technically they were not the best, Michael Giles from King Crimson was leagues ahead in technical skill, just listern to 21st Century Schiziod Man (btw was done in 1969 and it proberly one of the most revolutionary songs of all time)

Clapton made it big long before Page ever did, Clapton was the No.1 English guitar hero in the mid sixties (ever seen pics of the graffiti in London in the 60's that said "Clapton Is God"?) Just because they were around at the same time doesn't mean Page wasn't influenced by Clapton, of course he would of been. Clapton was the first, like have said, to do many things, many which Page did later in his career too. And i fully know the story of the Yardbirds you dont need to tell me.

You need to do you homework buddy because the coda is by Allman AND Clapton, there is two guitars playing, Duane and Eric jammed together on it. Duane did play the Slide solo halfway though. Listern to Live at the Fillmore East though, no Duane there, only Eric and solo after solo he is amazing, you cannot judge Clapton until you have heard that album its him at his best.

And what Who songs exactly did Page play on?

Jimi didn't like Clapton? are you joking! they were very good friends, you need to read up on your rock n roll history buddy. Clapton freely admits that Jimi was better than him anyway. There was a little tension between the two at the start, after all they were the two most famous guitarists in London at the time, but they went on to become very good friends.

How is Clapton is overrated when he has done more for blues rock guitar than almost anyone else?

Heavy is in the attitude? sorry but that doesn't make sense, Heavy IS Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath, listern to it mate it IS the beginning of Metal as we know it, Dazed and Confused is not a Metal song, it isn't even Hard Rock. Of course Sabbath used power chords, that was their style, heavy, grinding, distorted music and it became the blueprint for Metal.

I never said they suck, i do own all their albums, i just find them grossly overrated. If i wanted to listern to Blues, i defantly would NOT listern to Led Zep i would listern to some real Blues, same goes for Folk, Country and Acid music. Sure they might of dabbled a but in other genres, but for the most part it was poor efforts that didn't sound convincing at all.

Finally i love guitar driven rock, its what i live by, but i don't like Led Zeppelin, so there.

I didn't say that Clapton and Hendrix didn't like each other, I said Hendrix didn't think much of Clapton's playing, because he didn't. Jimmy plays on the Who's "I can't explain" only rhythm though. And he plays lead on the single's B side (I don't know which song this is).

To Quote the book "Hammer of the Gods":

"In 1965 Shel Talmy, Andrew Oldman, and Mickie Most were the top producers in England. They all relied on Jimmy's chameleonlike talent of duplicating any style of guitar--- George Harrison, Chuck Berry, Brian Jones. That was how Jimmy Page came to play on the earliest records by the WHo, the Kinks, Them, and other top British Invasion bands.---- On the single's B side, however, Jimmy played lead guitar using one of the innovative effects that he made famous---the fuzz box. It had been built for him two years earlier. As Jimmy told a reporter, 'What happened was Roger Mayor, who later worked for Jimi Hendrix, came up to me when I was still in art school and had started to do a few sessions, and he said, 'I work for the Admiralty in the experiment department and I can make any sort of gadget you want.' So I said why didn't he try to make me this thing that I'd heard on years before on this Ventures record, 'The 2000 Pound Bee.' It was a fuzz box. We had one in England, but it was a disaster, and I said, 'Why don't you improve on this with the Admiralty's facilities.' Then the Pretty Things got one, and Jeff Beck and Eric Clapton got one, and it really swept through."

Another quote from the book:

"The year 1965---The hippest band in London was the loud and trendy Yardbirds, with their speedy raving R&B jams and hot young guitarist, Eric Clapton. Ace session player Jimmy Page, partly because of his friendship with Clapton and partly just to make the most happening scene in town, often hung out with the band, and would often join them on stage whenever they worked around London."

"Even before Eric Clapton left the Yardbirds, Gomelsky had asked Jimmy Page to take the job of lead guitar. Page turned him down immediately. Obviously, Jimmy didn't want a professional quarrel over the Yardbirds to spoil his friendship with Eric Clapton. Instead, Jimmy gave the Yardbirds another fine guitarist--- Jeff Beck. The Yardbirds had never heard of him."

So as you can see Page was not influenced by Clapton, they were both famous musicians at the same time. If anything they both pushed each other to get better. Like I said YOU NEED TO GO DO SOME HOMEWORK SON. Because whatever little thoughts you have festering in your skull are probably wrong, and you need to go and check you facts.

[kevdo242]

The Who (or any band for that matter) could never write a song as good as Rain Song.

[Iron MikeyJ]

The Who (or any band for that matter) could never write a song as good as Rain Song.

my thoughts exactly.

[arnold layne]

Terribley overrated in my opinion. I have all their albums and i dont find anything special about them.

Same here, the only songs I really like listening too are Misty Mountain Hop or something like that, Stairway to Heavens good, and Houses of the Holy.

Thats it...

[Iron MikeyJ]

Terribley overrated in my opinion. I have all their albums and i dont find anything special about them.

Same here, the only songs I really like listening too are Misty Mountain Hop or something like that, Stairway to Heavens good, and Houses of the Holy.

Thats it...

I pity you

[adnan]

I really don't see how anything Led Zeppelin wrote surpasses "Layla" musically.

And people who say Clapton's guitar since Cream has been on a downward spiral are either ridiculously obsessed with wah, or haven't heard anything other than his singles. The best music Clapton was involved in was certainly Cream, but it is thoroughly ridiculous to claim that his guitar playing hasn't improved by miles. Watch recent live performances, he couldn't do that shit with Cream!

And to the guy who said "any person knowledgable about guitar knows Clapton isn't that great", please do yourself a favor and read a little more. Thousands of magazines and polls have put him in the top five of all time. 95% of professional guitarists greatly respect him, his improvisational skills surpass anyone else in history, whether he's playing with B.B. King or Santana, he can improvise across any genre, and often succeed in outplaying the others.

[Iron MikeyJ]

I really don't see how anything Led Zeppelin wrote surpasses "Layla" musically.

And people who say Clapton's guitar since Cream has been on a downward spiral are either ridiculously obsessed with wah, or haven't heard anything other than his singles. The best music Clapton was involved in was certainly Cream, but it is thoroughly ridiculous to claim that his guitar playing hasn't improved by miles. Watch recent live performances, he couldn't do that shit with Cream!

And to the guy who said "any person knowledgable about guitar knows Clapton isn't that great", please do yourself a favor and read a little more. Thousands of magazines and polls have put him in the top five of all time. 95% of professional guitarists greatly respect him, his improvisational skills surpass anyone else in history, whether he's playing with B.B. King or Santana, he can improvise across any genre, and often succeed in outplaying the others.

For one I do think Clapton is definatly one of the all-time great guitar players, his guitar playing has changed over the last 15+ years. He is going for more of a Robert Johnson type sound nowa days. And he is better than BB King and Santana so when he plays with them he steals the show. My arguement was at his best Jimmy Page was better than Clapton. If you want to see some sick improvisation go watch the Zeppelin DVD box set, cause Clapton CAN'T DO THAT KIND OF SHIT! And stairway, the rain song, no quarter, ten years gone, in my time of dying, and in the light are all much more difficult and intricate compisitions than layla could ever hope to be. As of today I do think Clapton is better than Page, but that's because Page doesn't play that much any more. But at their best Clapton couldn't be Page's roadie.

[adnan]

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Between me, my friends, my dad, and my sister I think I have every official live DVD, album, live album, and a couple of bootlegs Zeppelin did. I've seen all of them and do not think Page is better than Clapton in any way, shape, or form.

And no Zeppelin song, none, carries as much meaning and emotion as "Layla".

[Zeppelin]

The Who (or any band for that matter) could never write a song as good as Rain Song.

Exactly.

[Iron MikeyJ]

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Between me, my friends, my dad, and my sister I think I have every official live DVD, album, live album, and a couple of bootlegs Zeppelin did. I've seen all of them and do not think Page is better than Clapton in any way, shape, or form.

And no Zeppelin song, none, carries as much meaning and emotion as "Layla".

Well let's see, in Layla Clapton is talking about stealing his friends wife, yes it's emotional but it's scandelous as hell and how many songs have been written about a girl? In Nobody's fault but mine Plant is talking about how he regrets the decisions he has made (selling his soul to the devil if you belive the rumors) because he thinks he is going to end up in hell.

Layla clearly has more emotion and meanig.

I was being sarcastic there.

[Guest Ohdistortedsmile1789]

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Between me, my friends, my dad, and my sister I think I have every official live DVD, album, live album, and a couple of bootlegs Zeppelin did. I've seen all of them and do not think Page is better than Clapton in any way, shape, or form.

And no Zeppelin song, none, carries as much meaning and emotion as "Layla".

Well let's see, in Layla Clapton is talking about stealing his friends wife, yes it's emotional but it's scandelous as hell and how many songs have been written about a girl? In Nobody's fault but mine Plant is talking about how he regrets the decisions he has made (selling his soul to the devil if you belive the rumors) because he thinks he is going to end up in hell.

Layla clearly has more emotion and meanig.

I was being sarcastic there.

"NOBODY'S FAULT BUT MINE" IS A BLIND WILLIE JOHNSON SONG. NICE WRITING THERE, ROBERT!

[adnan]

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Between me, my friends, my dad, and my sister I think I have every official live DVD, album, live album, and a couple of bootlegs Zeppelin did. I've seen all of them and do not think Page is better than Clapton in any way, shape, or form.

And no Zeppelin song, none, carries as much meaning and emotion as "Layla".

Well let's see, in Layla Clapton is talking about stealing his friends wife, yes it's emotional but it's scandelous as hell and how many songs have been written about a girl? In Nobody's fault but mine Plant is talking about how he regrets the decisions he has made (selling his soul to the devil if you belive the rumors) because he thinks he is going to end up in hell.

Layla clearly has more emotion and meanig.

I was being sarcastic there.

Look, Layla is more emotional and meaningful than anything by Zeppelin. This great emotional classic you mention is a ripoff of a blues song, like most other "great" Zeppelin songs. Layla had the music to perfectly match its lyrics, and a coda that said more than 10 other classic songs put together. It's much more than another song about a girl.

[Iron MikeyJ]

ok bad example but No quarter is about the same thin and they did write that song.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Between me, my friends, my dad, and my sister I think I have every official live DVD, album, live album, and a couple of bootlegs Zeppelin did. I've seen all of them and do not think Page is better than Clapton in any way, shape, or form.

And no Zeppelin song, none, carries as much meaning and emotion as "Layla".

Well let's see, in Layla Clapton is talking about stealing his friends wife, yes it's emotional but it's scandelous as hell and how many songs have been written about a girl? In Nobody's fault but mine Plant is talking about how he regrets the decisions he has made (selling his soul to the devil if you belive the rumors) because he thinks he is going to end up in hell.

Layla clearly has more emotion and meanig.

I was being sarcastic there.

Look, Layla is more emotional and meaningful than anything by Zeppelin. This great emotional classic you mention is a ripoff of a blues song, like most other "great" Zeppelin songs. Layla had the music to perfectly match its lyrics, and a coda that said more than 10 other classic songs put together. It's much more than another song about a girl.

I like how you said Zeppelin rips off old blues songs when Cream ripped off crossroads. And let's not forget that Clapton did a whole cd ripping off robert johnson

[Guest Ohdistortedsmile1789]

ok bad example but No quarter is about the same thin and they did write that song.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Between me, my friends, my dad, and my sister I think I have every official live DVD, album, live album, and a couple of bootlegs Zeppelin did. I've seen all of them and do not think Page is better than Clapton in any way, shape, or form.

And no Zeppelin song, none, carries as much meaning and emotion as "Layla".

Well let's see, in Layla Clapton is talking about stealing his friends wife, yes it's emotional but it's scandelous as hell and how many songs have been written about a girl? In Nobody's fault but mine Plant is talking about how he regrets the decisions he has made (selling his soul to the devil if you belive the rumors) because he thinks he is going to end up in hell.

Layla clearly has more emotion and meanig.

I was being sarcastic there.

Look, Layla is more emotional and meaningful than anything by Zeppelin. This great emotional classic you mention is a ripoff of a blues song, like most other "great" Zeppelin songs. Layla had the music to perfectly match its lyrics, and a coda that said more than 10 other classic songs put together. It's much more than another song about a girl.

I like how you said Zeppelin rips off old blues songs when Cream ripped off crossroads. And let's not forget that Clapton did a whole cd ripping off robert johnson

With writing credits.

Look, I hate Clapton, but there's no winning this argument.

[Iron MikeyJ]

ok bad example but No quarter is about the same thin and they did write that song.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Between me, my friends, my dad, and my sister I think I have every official live DVD, album, live album, and a couple of bootlegs Zeppelin did. I've seen all of them and do not think Page is better than Clapton in any way, shape, or form.

And no Zeppelin song, none, carries as much meaning and emotion as "Layla".

Well let's see, in Layla Clapton is talking about stealing his friends wife, yes it's emotional but it's scandelous as hell and how many songs have been written about a girl? In Nobody's fault but mine Plant is talking about how he regrets the decisions he has made (selling his soul to the devil if you belive the rumors) because he thinks he is going to end up in hell.

Layla clearly has more emotion and meanig.

I was being sarcastic there.

Look, Layla is more emotional and meaningful than anything by Zeppelin. This great emotional classic you mention is a ripoff of a blues song, like most other "great" Zeppelin songs. Layla had the music to perfectly match its lyrics, and a coda that said more than 10 other classic songs put together. It's much more than another song about a girl.

I like how you said Zeppelin rips off old blues songs when Cream ripped off crossroads. And let's not forget that Clapton did a whole cd ripping off robert johnson

With writing credits.

Look, I hate Clapton, but there's no winning this argument.

Page didn't want to add writing credits because he wrote the music. He did't steal anything musically from the old blues artists except for the beginning of bring it on home, but even in that song he writes his own part for. whole lotta love, the lemon song, and a few others may have been inspired by old blues songs but certanly not stolen because the music is completly different. The only simularities are in the lyrics, but not the music. Even when they covered a song like Robert Johnson's Traveling riverside blues (which is the best robert johnson cover by the way) the music is not similiar at all. And if you disagree go compare the sheet music (which I have) thier not similiar. So to all of you zeppelin haters the only thing that was stolen was some of the lyrics and that's it.

[Guest Ohdistortedsmile1789]

ok bad example but No quarter is about the same thin and they did write that song.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Between me, my friends, my dad, and my sister I think I have every official live DVD, album, live album, and a couple of bootlegs Zeppelin did. I've seen all of them and do not think Page is better than Clapton in any way, shape, or form.

And no Zeppelin song, none, carries as much meaning and emotion as "Layla".

Well let's see, in Layla Clapton is talking about stealing his friends wife, yes it's emotional but it's scandelous as hell and how many songs have been written about a girl? In Nobody's fault but mine Plant is talking about how he regrets the decisions he has made (selling his soul to the devil if you belive the rumors) because he thinks he is going to end up in hell.

Layla clearly has more emotion and meanig.

I was being sarcastic there.

Look, Layla is more emotional and meaningful than anything by Zeppelin. This great emotional classic you mention is a ripoff of a blues song, like most other "great" Zeppelin songs. Layla had the music to perfectly match its lyrics, and a coda that said more than 10 other classic songs put together. It's much more than another song about a girl.

I like how you said Zeppelin rips off old blues songs when Cream ripped off crossroads. And let's not forget that Clapton did a whole cd ripping off robert johnson

With writing credits.

Look, I hate Clapton, but there's no winning this argument.

Page didn't want to add writing credits because he wrote the music. He did't steal anything musically from the old blues artists except for the beginning of bring it on home, but even in that song he writes his own part for. whole lotta love, the lemon song, and a few others may have been inspired by old blues songs but certanly not stolen because the music is completly different. The only simularities are in the lyrics, but not the music. Even when they covered a song like Robert Johnson's Traveling riverside blues (which is the best robert johnson cover by the way) the music is not similiar at all. And if you disagree go compare the sheet music (which I have) thier not similiar. So to all of you zeppelin haters the only thing that was stolen was some of the lyrics and that's it.

You don't think the lyrics should have been credited?

[Iron MikeyJ]

In retrospect maybe they should have and alot of they do give credit. I think Page didn't want to give another guitarist credit on a piece of music he wrote.

[adnan]

I like how you said Zeppelin rips off old blues songs when Cream ripped off crossroads. And let's not forget that Clapton did a whole cd ripping off robert johnson

"CROSSROADS" is a REWRITE of "Crossroad Blues", with credit to Johnson.

"Me and Mr. Johnson" is a TRIBUTE/COVER album for Robert Johnson.

Go look up the dictionary or something. There's a difference between covering a song or rewriting it and giving credits and stealing something and calling it your own.

[moreblack]

so what, clapton was great yeah.

But so was Zeppelin. Musical greatness.

[kevdo242]

Arguably Rain Song and All My Love were more emotional than Layla.

[moreblack]

Arguably Layla is not the greatest, most emotional song of all time...

[Zint]

Layla...a song about a junky who covets his best friend's wife,and takes her.

**sniff...dab dab**

cue Kashmir,Going To California,Tangerine,Rain Song

[moreblack]

all great songs, but I'm rocking out to Out On The Tiles

[Guest Ohdistortedsmile1789]

so what, clapton was great yeah.

But so was Zeppelin. Musical greatness.

Thank you, I have my issues with both, but let's cut this shit.