brizobst Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Brahms took about 15 years to right his first.I'm not saying its completely the same with CD, but its not completely different either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen8R Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Brahms took about 15 years to right his first.I'm not saying its completely the same with CD, but its not completely different either.Sorry dude, it's completely differentA8R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallagher Rose Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Shit thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estranged Reality Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 (edited) Axl Rose is not Beethoven, and Chinese Democracy is not the ninth symphony.Most great rock records - AFD, Dark Side of the Moon, Exile on Main Street, The White Album, Pet Sounds, etc. - weren't labored over for twenty years.Brian Wilson tried for perfection with the Beach Boys after Pet Sounds, too, and look what happened: a forty year wait for an album that didn't get recorded until 2004. And was it as good as Pet Sounds?No. Not even close. Edited December 1, 2006 by Estranged Reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohyesindeed Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Brahms took about 15 years to right his first.I'm not saying its completely the same with CD, but its not completely different either.well, considering that beethoven was fucking deaf, i think that was pretty quick.it is similar, though:ludwig van was the only original member left of beethoven by the time the 9th came about..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budweiser Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 cd will never be the 9th.... no matter how good it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterileEyes Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 ummmm...yeah...different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 How far off is Axl from writing a piano concerto? He does string arrangements on Nov Rain. Is it the level of musical accomplishment that is not up there or just the amount of time.What's the real difference between classical and rock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rd Wheel Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 What's the real difference between classical and rock?the size of its e-penis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 e-penis? lol.Metallica did sort of orchestra versions of there songs. I'm not sure if Its so easy could be translated. Don't Cry, Estranged, Nov Rain might be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssiscool Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 very differant since when was axl a Classical composer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 I bet theres a GNR strings album somewhere. I've seen things like it. I saw a weird one in HMV like Queen as played by Symphony orchestra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Zora Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 NOTHING comes close to the 9th.And nothing will EVER. It's just a completely different league.Also: Metallica didn't write the orchestestral adaptions for their songs, it was Michael Kamen.And: The string arrangements - for example on November Rain - are fitting, but so logical that I would not dare at all to call them masterpieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 must be some kick ass orchestras on CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bravefish Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Brahms took about 15 years to right his first.I'm not saying its completely the same with CD, but its not completely different either.What in the world are you on about, Axl is no Beethoven, he is a rock star. there is no comparison to writing a bloody symphony to a song like better. stop sucking axl's balls and making excuses.fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterileEyes Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Actually, Matt Sorum said something very similar to this on Behind The Music - "What are you doing man, what's taking so long...are you Wolfgang Amadeus Motzart writing a 82 piece orchestral masterpiece?" or something to that effect.The casual observer checking the headlines on this board must be laughing even harder than I was at the title of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChineseDemocracy Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 What's the real difference between classical and rock?Well first off, usually in classical music, they have to record dozens of instruments and dozens more individual people, whereas GNR is 8 people, not 60 or however many, and most of the instrumentation is digially made, rather than acoustically made.Classical symphonies (such as Beethovens 9th) are longer than a typical rock song.So thats why it probably took Beethoven 20 years, because he was deaf, and had to literally write 60+ parts of music by himself, and the song is relatively longer than a 3 minute rock song. Axl isnt deaf, he doesnt have to meticulously write 60+ parts of music by hand, and Axl doesnt have to write 20 minute songs.Thats a hell of a difference if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris 55 Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Brahms took about 15 years to right his first.I'm not saying its completely the same with CD, but its not completely different either.Yeah but I doubt there were many waiting for years for him to finish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepsicoca Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 The record company has already rejected Chinese Democracy several times, that's why it hasn't been released yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vogstar90_G'N'R Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Brahms took about 15 years to right his first.I'm not saying its completely the same with CD, but its not completely different either.well, considering that beethoven was fucking deaf, i think that was pretty quick.lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnfnr2006 Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 The record company has already rejected Chinese Democracy several times, that's why it hasn't been released yet.First time I heard this.......please tell us more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acdcUSSR Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 IF the record company has rejected it, it's not because it's not awesome. It's because it's not good enough for the 13 years of work put into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen8R Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 IF the record company has rejected it, it's not because it's not awesome. It's because it's not good enough for the 13 years of work put into it.Crack is bad.If it's awsome, it would be as close to being worth the wait as you can get.Crack is bad.A8R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brizobst Posted December 1, 2006 Author Share Posted December 1, 2006 Axl and Ludwig, different ballparks: 'this I know'. As for the deafness, LvB showed signs by symphony 2 and was probably completely deaf by Eroica (the 3rd) but he was still very prolific. Also Brahms wasn't deaf but he still struggled (being in LvB's shadow).The comparison I'm drawing is two egos struggling with themselves to get something nearly perfect (by their own standard). If the result is something timelesss, musically 'significant' or not, what difference does a couple decades make?Fact on the side: the length of the compact disc was determined by the length of Beehoven 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gina9 Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Brahms took about 15 years to right his first.I'm not saying its completely the same with CD, but its not completely different either. I'm sure you have never listened to 9th symphony or other classic masterpiece. If you had you wouldn't make such a parallelism. There are thousands of rock bands and thousands music cds and new ones appear every single day. But there has been only one Beethoven for more than 2 hundred years. So think before you post craps like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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