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Izzy is right about his statement on Axl using the name Gn'R. If Axl releases Chinese Democracy under the name Gn'R...no matter how good it is, no matter how much ass it kicks...he is going to get a more than fatal backlash to his career. What do you think people will do when they go to stores and buy the album and listen to the songs and find they sound nothing like Gn'R, and then further look in the booklet that there are no other Gn'R members on that album but Axl??? Like Izzy said it they will say to Axl "Fuck you wanker this is NOT Guns N' Roses". If half this internet forum (this forum are the strongest of Axl's fans) don't accept this current band as Guns N' Roses, what on earth makes anyone think those people out there will? It's sad but true :no:

Oh, great. Here we go again. You're dragging up a 2001 interview, and Izzy has clearly changed his mind since he PLAYED WITH THE BAND THIS YEAR.

And what, Slash leaving GNR is news? People are gonna go to the store, buy the CD, and go "HOLY SHIT!?!? SLASH IS GONE???? WTF???"

Not everyone lives under that rock you seem to be a tenant of.

TWAT, Madagascar, The Blues, Catcher in the Rye - they all sound like they could have been on the Illusions. IRS to a certain extent, and CD as well. The only song that's very different is Better.

So no, it's not true. The backlash, actually, has passed. It's been 10 years since Slash left. People have moved on. This tour is getting stellar reviews for the most part, and attendance is up from 2002.

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Oh, great. Here we go again. You're dragging up a 2001 interview, and Izzy has clearly changed his mind since he PLAYED WITH THE BAND THIS YEAR.

This tour is getting stellar reviews for the most part, and attendance is up from 2002.

Izzy didn't change his mind at all about this band. A couple of weeks ago he called it "Axl's new gnr" on his site... http://www.chopaway.com/

By the way, where are the stellar reviews ? The reviews I've read are quite devastating, actually.

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Oh, great. Here we go again. You're dragging up a 2001 interview, and Izzy has clearly changed his mind since he PLAYED WITH THE BAND THIS YEAR.

This tour is getting stellar reviews for the most part, and attendance is up from 2002.

Izzy didn't change his mind at all about this band. A couple of weeks ago he called it "Axl's new gnr" on his site... http://www.chopaway.com/

By the way, where are the stellar reviews ? The reviews I've read are quite devastating, actually.

Hey Pepsid... you must be one of those liberals that are blind to anything you don't agree with. Go ahead, you can Google 'liberal' now to see what it means.

The only reviews I've read (they come in after every show... haven't you noticed... just about everyday there's positive reviews) that are remotely negative are about people who have complained about starting late or the Suicide Girls... and rightfully so on the latter. I've yet to read a bad review of an actual performance from a neutral standpoint.

AND NEITHER HAVE YOU:)

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I've yet to read a bad review of an actual performance from a neutral standpoint.

AND NEITHER HAVE YOU:)

Can you read ?

It's quite usual to read in the media that this version of GNR is a fake one. But there's something new now... The other day I read that the Axl currently on tour was fake ! How devastating is that ? Not enough to your taste ?

And there is still a Mick Wall article to come... That one will be truly devastating ! The Tian an Men of Chinese Democracy !

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Izzy is right about his statement on Axl using the name Gn'R. If Axl releases Chinese Democracy under the name Gn'R...no matter how good it is, no matter how much ass it kicks...he is going to get a more than fatal backlash to his career. What do you think people will do when they go to stores and buy the album and listen to the songs and find they sound nothing like Gn'R, and then further look in the booklet that there are no other Gn'R members on that album but Axl??? Like Izzy said it they will say to Axl "Fuck you wanker this is NOT Guns N' Roses". If half this internet forum (this forum are the strongest of Axl's fans) don't accept this current band as Guns N' Roses, what on earth makes anyone think those people out there will? It's sad but true :no:

exactly man.. perfect example.. jason newstead.. how manyt people did not accept his as the new bass player in metallica, even though he was awesome, people were still like "BUT ITS NOT CLIFF"

now those were quotes from hardcore metallica fans..

now the whole bands replaced in gnr.. what would the hardcore fans say?

not neccessarily us on this forum thats given axl+hiredguns a chance.. but man, even my friend heard the demos.. and said, its not gnr.. its a gnr tribute band

axl has a new lineup

steven adler has a new lineup

slash/matt/duff have a new lineup

what makes any band here any different?, oh.. vr actually has new music.

I really think the older fans have been completely demystified (if thats a word). The myth of the old band died over time as people got older and more cynical and see the workings of the industry. What was weird is that the leaks sounded exactly like GNR sort of Illusion era. TWAT and CITR. In some ways Axl deserves the name to try and take GNR on to something else, for wanting to take it further. Slash cast himself as just a guitarist, with no pretensions. Axl seems to almost live through music in an emotional way that Slash doesn't deal with. If all those guys had stuck in there with Axl no matter what then they could have there say in some way.

yeah, then why doesnt paul mcartney just call his lineup the beatles?

and EXACT comparison.

nobody would agree..

why should we on gnr?, because we are so damn desperate to hear chinese democracy..

ive given a fuck for a while, now i just laugh about cd, it has become nothing but a joke to me now..

i can't honeslty take this new band seriously anymore.. its a joke.

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I've yet to read a bad review of an actual performance from a neutral standpoint.

AND NEITHER HAVE YOU:)

Can you read ?

It's quite usual to read in the media that this version of GNR is a fake one. But there's something new now... The other day I read that the Axl currently on tour was fake ! How devastating is that ? Not enough to your taste ?

And there is still a Mick Wall article to come... That one will be truly devastating ! The Tian an Men of Chinese Democracy !

It's official, Pepcid makes no sense. He must be retarded.

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UYI (at least the singles) where nothing like appetite and they were still huge. The public just wants great songs, and GNR has them.

You meand had them...wait, don't tell me you think the CD songs are great? Wow people are really grasping for anything GNR...do me a favor, grab some boots from 87-93 if you want greatness.

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Izzy is right about his statement on Axl using the name Gn'R. If Axl releases Chinese Democracy under the name Gn'R...no matter how good it is, no matter how much ass it kicks...he is going to get a more than fatal backlash to his career. What do you think people will do when they go to stores and buy the album and listen to the songs and find they sound nothing like Gn'R, and then further look in the booklet that there are no other Gn'R members on that album but Axl??? Like Izzy said it they will say to Axl "Fuck you wanker this is NOT Guns N' Roses". If half this internet forum (this forum are the strongest of Axl's fans) don't accept this current band as Guns N' Roses, what on earth makes anyone think those people out there will? It's sad but true :no:

Dude, Izzy is still very much in G&R if he

chooses to be. He could show up at the next

show if he wanted to and probably play as many

songs as he wanted to with the band.

Some of you turds might try looking at a larger picture

from a different angle.

B)

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I've yet to read a bad review of an actual performance from a neutral standpoint.

AND NEITHER HAVE YOU:)

Can you read ?

It's quite usual to read in the media that this version of GNR is a fake one. But there's something new now... The other day I read that the Axl currently on tour was fake ! How devastating is that ? Not enough to your taste ?

And there is still a Mick Wall article to come... That one will be truly devastating ! The Tian an Men of Chinese Democracy !

It's official, Pepcid makes no sense. He must be retarded.

Agreed!!!

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Oh, great. Here we go again. You're dragging up a 2001 interview, and Izzy has clearly changed his mind since he PLAYED WITH THE BAND THIS YEAR.

This tour is getting stellar reviews for the most part, and attendance is up from 2002.

Izzy didn't change his mind at all about this band. A couple of weeks ago he called it "Axl's new gnr" on his site... http://www.chopaway.com/

By the way, where are the stellar reviews ? The reviews I've read are quite devastating, actually.

ROFL. I guess you have trouble reading then. Good job.

Lets get you some reviews then:

http://winnipegsun.com/Entertainment/Conce...05/2636795.html

http://www.startribune.com/457/story/851386.html

http://torontosun.com/Entertainment/2006/11/16/2378356.html

http://www.chartattack.com/DAMN/2006/11/1601.cfm (CA hate GNR and still gave a good review)

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentSe...;StarSource=RSS

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/story....ea-325dcc79e005

http://jam.canoe.ca/Music/Artists/G/Guns_N...19/2416952.html

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/10/27/Floridia...e_Bob_Bar.shtml

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/apps/pbcs.d...360/1001/NEWS10

http://thechronicleherald.ca/Entertainment/542561.html

http://www.hfxnews.ca/index.cfm?sid=9729&sc=5

http://blog.news-record.com/staff/musiccan..._review_16.html

http://www.clevescene.com/blogs/?p=305

http://cleve.live.advance.net/music/plaind....xml&coll=2

This band has had ONE terrible review, from Iowa, a couple slightly negative ones, and the rest have been positive to very positive on this North American tour. You're reading what you want to, but facts speak for themselves.

As to Izzy: He changed his mind enough to play with it. If he calls it Axl's new GNR - so what? He's still willing to play with them, and according to Izzy himself, it was his idea.

Does it actually physically hurt, being as wrong as you just were? I could dig up more positive reviews if you like. Devastating :rofl-lol:

Guys, ignore pepsboy. He was just kicked in the nuts hard enough to switch genders. It's funny to see him bring up Mick Wall to defend himself. Yeah, there's an unbiased source, a guy who's peers regard him as a joke (so read about what a dick the guy was back in the day), trying to live off past glory by publishing a book - and who was called out on a multi-platinum album by the singer of the band he's now going to write an article on.

Yup, totally unbiased.

No one gives a fuck about Mick Wall, kid.

Go find me some devastating reviews, besides the Iowa one :) Cuz I found you plenty of good ones. And that was without fan reviews. I could add TONS of those :).

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Maybe Axl didn't really plan this to happen. He never forced Izzy to leave. He may not have wanted to do Slash's material and didn't want to bomb. Everyone kind of split up and things just evolved with Axl working with who he could get on his record with no real idea what he is doing. Some good tunes have been done and to him it's still GNR even if the wheels are off and the car is the garage. The Beatles is different cos Lennon got shot. If Lennon just bailed and the other three said we'll try and then George said ok nevermind and Ringo stayed cos he had nothing better to do then McCartney could still be holding the fort and wondering what to do. But Brands in music were not that big back then.

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Izzy is right about his statement on Axl using the name Gn'R. If Axl releases Chinese Democracy under the name Gn'R...no matter how good it is, no matter how much ass it kicks...he is going to get a more than fatal backlash to his career. What do you think people will do when they go to stores and buy the album and listen to the songs and find they sound nothing like Gn'R, and then further look in the booklet that there are no other Gn'R members on that album but Axl??? Like Izzy said it they will say to Axl "Fuck you wanker this is NOT Guns N' Roses". If half this internet forum (this forum are the strongest of Axl's fans) don't accept this current band as Guns N' Roses, what on earth makes anyone think those people out there will? It's sad but true :no:

I'm not what you call a die hard fan but I know it and I think everybody knows that the GNR of today is not the same GNR of the past. Anybody who buys the new album will know this. If they don't they are probably not going to buy the album anyways. People will buy the new album if it kicks ass...if it doesn't they won't...plain and simple.

For all you die hard fans who can't get over the fact that the original band is dead and will never be revived and can't bring yourself to purchase the new album, you can just put in your old Appetite for Destruction CD in your stereo and forget all about the new GNR. The rest of use who could care less will be rocking out at the new GNR concerts with Axl wailing away on the old GNR hits.

Which brings me to my point, who cares about the new album anyways...what it really comes down to is being able to see GNR in live concerts again for those of us who never had the opportunity to in the past.

Lets just put it this way. I never had any opportunity to see them live in concert in the old days. Then they break up. 10 years later I now have a chance to see them, got my tickets already. A few months ago I attended an Eagles tribute band concert...yeah it wasn't like seeing the real thing but they put on a great show and they sounded just like the Eagles. If I closed my eyes I could swear I was at the real thing. As far as the new GNR...yeah...it might not be the same lineup or like being at an original concert back in the heyday but since any hope of the original band members ever getting back together is useless, this is the next best thing. Heck, I've never been to a GNR concert so why do I care if this guys guitar solo almost sounds like Slash's solo but not quite. The new lineup are all great musicians, so I look at it as if I'm going to see a really good tribute band with a plus...the guy leading it is the original frontman...the voice of the group. If Velvet Revolver wanted to play an old GNR tune the instrumentals may sound the same, but I can surely say that the vocals won't and without the original vocalist no song ever sounds the same. No one can ever replace Axl's sound yet you can surely come close to replacing the sound of the other members of a band with seasoned musicians.

I will say, at first, I backed away from purchasing tickets, fearing Axl's history of walking off stage or the gig being cancelled, but then I began telling myself this is a one in a lifetime chance. If I don't go see them when they come to town I am going to regret it. I would miss out on hearing all the old kick ass hits live and then learn that the new GNR breaks up and it will be another 10 years before Axl forms the newer GNR. Well I can't wait that long and I suggest to anybody else debating on whether or not to go see them get your tickets and see them while you can.

Whether the new album does great or not, I don't care. If it sounds good I will get it. If not I can always pop in the old CDs and rock away to the original hits. Heck when I go to the concert that's what I expect to hear anyways. Big deal if Slash and the original lineup isn't up there playing. Someone will be and with Axl leading the way I don't think I be disappointed. Unless of course, he walks off stage. :P (The last part is supposed to be funny for all you Axl lovers)

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Slash put some effort in here and there but he wasnt really working the crowd, not his job.

Are you kidding me? In the history of Guns N' Roses, Slash is the only member to have stood toe-to-toe with Axl in terms of stage presence and overall performance. You cannot make that argument for anyone else..

Why do you think he's considered the last great guitar icon? His impact was immense..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6XK20UiNIs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tccOYS6VfU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNXf8cP8osU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctTFHbiP7wY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfbLWxYeFJw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fetBk7EvND8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEQKzyuTgPk

-Kickingthehabit

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just in comaprison Axl is obviously working crowd whole time. Slash did his fair share and that worked. I'm sorry I can't remember what I said. But I always have this feeling like what Izzy said or whatever, If he cared so much why did he leave. I like Izzy and got his solo stuff etc. But really what the fuck?

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just in comaprison Axl is obviously working crowd whole time. Slash did his fair share and that worked. I'm sorry I can't remember what I said. But I always have this feeling like what Izzy said or whatever, If he cared so much why did he leave. I like Izzy and got his solo stuff etc. But really what the fuck?

izzy left as he didnt want to play huge stadiums he wanted to play the small clubs like in the original days 86-87

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Yep I know that but then he comes back with comment like it's not really GNR. Oh yeah and sure enough Slash is a great guitar player but I've seen shows where he wasn't nessarily plugged in. Axl is basically on fire everytime or he cancels the show lol. It's just the old guys do have comments etc but they left. Maybe they had no choice but at the same time they left so why come back with these comments? To me on the Illusion tour both Slash and Duff looked wrecked. That's cool etc but at the same time it must have put the band under pressure.

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A lot of people only like Gn'R for tracks such as Sweat Child'O Mine, and it will be interesting to see if CD can sell more than the Great Hits album. I didn't buy the Greatest Hits album as there was really no point, although i hear it sold well. I can imagine CD only appealing to diehard Gn'R fans and a percentage of those fans have lost interest as Slash is no longer in the band.

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I think it will sell based on the name. Like a U2 album or a Scorcese picture. I buy U2 album and I don't know the details about them. I just get it. I go to a Scorcese picture just to see what it is. I've been to Disneyworld - didn't like it but I've been. Rock fans buy Stones albums by accident.

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A lot of people only like Gn'R for tracks such as Sweat Child'O Mine, and it will be interesting to see if CD can sell more than the Great Hits album. I didn't buy the Greatest Hits album as there was really no point, although i hear it sold well. I can imagine CD only appealing to diehard Gn'R fans and a percentage of those fans have lost interest as Slash is no longer in the band.

it might sell as much as GH but it wont outsell AFD

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