Turn_It_Up Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 (edited) Im getting annoyed that everyone (including Axl himself) thinks of Axl as the Master of Musical Genuis or some shit. We should just fall all over ourselves to do what he demands when hes having an inspirational moment. When that rare moment arrives anything that comes out of him is pure gold and we must gather around with our recording devices, our cameras and our paint brushes before it disappears. Yeah and doves fly out of his asshole as well. Ok that was a joke.But truly - ok he wrote November Rain and he was part of making one of the best rock records. But a lot of his stuff in my opinion is over indulged and bloated. Thats why I really really hope CD proves me wrong. Because I think hes a fucken awesome singer and performer but hes never impressed me with his songwriting abilities. YET.I still think Izzy and Slash created the brilliance of AFD. So flame me.OK, I'll bite on your flamebait. It wasn't just the guitar-playing that was different and set GN'R apart from other glam and "hair" metal bands of the 1980s. It was Axl fuckin' Rose's vitriol and passion that he sang with. Axl was absolutely incredible and still is even now. If it was just about guitars, then AFD wouldn't have been what it was my friend. I hate to break it to ya, but there have been plenty of great guitar albums before AFD (some of which were actually better). Pretty much everything Jimmy Page put out with Led Zeppelin, as well as Hendrix, Clapton, etc. I just feel that it was a combination of the guitars and Axl's vocal style rather than one or the other. Either would have made for a kickass band on its own, but together the two sounds (Slash/Izzy's guitar work with Axl's vocals) proved to be absolutely lethal when it came to their competition. As their career bio on All Music Guide (I think it's on this one?) says, they flattened America with a steamroller. Slash and Izzy couldn't have done it without Axl. That's a fact. And Axl couldn't have done it without them either (which you've already stated).As for Axl's bratty behavior, I completely agree. If he wants to pretend like he's some songwriting genius, then whatever. But I think most would say he's a good songwriter but nowhere near a great one. See Bob Dylan, Lennon/McCartney, Joni Mitchell, etc. for that. If Axl were as great of a songwriter as he thinks he is, then he wouldn't have felt a need to sing so many cover songs in his career. They're damn good covers for sure, but it still shows a lack of creativity. Hell, GN'R even put out a full album of cover songs for crying out loud. LOL.But Slash and Izzy would have been nobodies without Axl. They all brought out the best in each other for sure, but it's highly debatable and I think offbase to say Slash(or Axl) would've been "nobodies" without each other. Both these guys are supreme artists and IMO would've eventually found some level of success and likely stardom.Slash could've catapulted a lot of average rock bands to excellence. Ditto for Axl. And I think Duff would've found his place.Together = BestApart = Still phenominal individual musicians and performers who would've elevated many bands and shined. These guys are born ROCK STARS... Edited December 19, 2006 by Turn_It_Up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssiscool Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 I'm also hoping VR improves with thier next album.I think everyone is..not really i think VR are pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillis Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 3 days of work? coolI wonder how many years it's gonna take to finish 3 days of work !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zint Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 I'm also hoping VR improves with thier next album.I think everyone is..not really i think VR are pretty good.so....you don't want the next record to be better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludurigan Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Axl's band is better than GNR and I am Bob Marley! **************How can this Merck person say that Axl's Band kicks the shit out of GNR? Is he on drugs???? Bob Marley ************** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNRfan001 Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 (edited) **************How can this Merck person say that Axl's Band kicks the shit out of GNR? Is he on drugs???? Bob Marley **************go dig a hole and burry your self in it. EDIT:called him a noob..but he was here longer than me Edited December 19, 2006 by GNRfan001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busngabb Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 He's heard Chinese Democracy in it's entirety and you haven't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padje Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 You have abviously not had the luxury to see the new band live... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Axl Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 I'm also hoping VR improves with thier next album.I think everyone is..not really i think VR are pretty good.so....you don't want the next record to be better?*cough*modbeingofftopic*cough* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forsaken Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 **************How can this Merck person say that Axl's Band kicks the shit out of GNR? Is he on drugs???? Bob Marley **************go dig a hole and burry your self in it. N00BTechnically he's not, because well, if you look at the rate he registered, he's been here 2 years before you so.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funeral Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 **************How can this Merck person say that Axl's Band kicks the shit out of GNR? Is he on drugs????Bob Marley **************yeah man, it's imposable to do so! I don't know about if the Chinese Democracy will be better than AFD (am waiting tell I hear it first)..but one thing is for sure...NEW GNR IS BETTER AT LIVE SHOWS! ...it kicks the crap out of old GNR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Axl Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 **************How can this Merck person say that Axl's Band kicks the shit out of GNR? Is he on drugs????Bob Marley **************yeah man, it's imposable to do so! I don't know about if the Chinese Democracy will be better than AFD (am waiting tell I hear it first)..but one thing is for sure...NEW GNR IS BETTER AT LIVE SHOWS! ...it kicks the crap out of old GNR! I agree.And since Merck obviously have heard the almoust finished stuff he have the right to say that they are better than the old drunken heroin addicted guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNRfan001 Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 **************How can this Merck person say that Axl's Band kicks the shit out of GNR? Is he on drugs???? Bob Marley **************go dig a hole and burry your self in it. N00BTechnically he's not, because well, if you look at the rate he registered, he's been here 2 years before you so..i will edit it for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kickingthehabit Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 NEW GNR IS BETTER AT LIVE SHOWS! ...it kicks the crap out of old GNR! I agree.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaCHn5O5C9A-Kickingthehabit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicious Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 ha! don't mind merck. he was a bit :xmassrudolph: old gnr obviously are better. listen to AFD and then listen to catcher in the rye not to say new gnr suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurpleHaze Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 (edited) Axl's GnR are far better individual musicians, of that there is no doubt. Whether they're a better band collectively is a whole different discussion and one none of us can give an opinion on since we haven't heard CD. If Merck has and thinks it's better than old GnR then he's entitled to his opinion. Edited December 19, 2006 by PurpleHaze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustaine Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Hi Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 If Merck has and thinks it's better than old GnR then he's entitled to his opinion.yeah, and I'm entitled to my opinion that he's full of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurpleHaze Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 If Merck has and thinks it's better than old GnR then he's entitled to his opinion.yeah, and I'm entitled to my opinion that he's full of it.As am I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patience 4 Axl Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Merck should concentrate more on finding another job instead of his opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misch Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Opinions are like assholes, everyone’s got one. Even Merck got one (perhaps two), but that's not the point. It'S just disrespectful to the old band and what they have achieved. Merck should have known that, he's a professional manager, but that wasn't very professional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tainted_conscience Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 they are better than the old drunken heroin addicted guysthese old drunk herion addicts made the material that get the new guys payed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGann Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 they are better than the old drunken heroin addicted guysthese old drunk herion addicts made the material that get the new guys payed What's "herion"? /Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludurigan Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 **********Oh well, where were all you guys when GN'R was alive and rockin'? Were you guys alive at all? I am so sorry for you guys that could not be there. You missed the party, boys.********** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zint Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 I'm also hoping VR improves with thier next album.I think everyone is..not really i think VR are pretty good.so....you don't want the next record to be better?*cough*modbeingofftopic*cough**cough*mightwanttocheckyourtrackrecordforrulebreaking*cough* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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