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Axls words have offended alot of people. But thats one of the reasons why we love him. He says whats on his mind and doesnt give a fuck what anyone else thinks. Again, im not saying its ok to talk shit about GROUPS OF PEOPLE. And until you have been a minority, in a scary situation, and experienced what he is talking about , you just wont understand.

I think it's perfectly logical to talk about specific groups of people if there's a clear and present problem with a particular group. For example, we have a problem with Mexicans flooding across our borders... as well as a large Muslim contingent. Only a small percentile actually adapt to United States culture. What I mean by that is, learn the language and do things legally. If a vast majority of them do not learn the language and do the majoirty of their business pracices illegally, it's a problem. How else are you supposed to talk about it and solve the problem if you can't identify the people that are the problem without being called a racist?

Gimme a break.

Any American would understand that as they see it and experience it on almost a daily basis. No other country in the world has immigration problems like our country. Yet, most outsiders are quick to bash the United States and tell Americans how shitty our country is... how racist and ignortant our people are... etc. etc. Well, it must not be that bad to the immagrants themselves who will do anything to get inside our borders. Such a bad evil place the United States must be.

:rolleyes:

Sure, Axl went about it in a derogatory way in OIAM. If it bothers anyone so much, they shouldn't listen to Guns N' Roses. The fact of the matter is, the 'politically correct' folk can scream and cry and throw all the flags they want and call people racists all they want, but that's not going to change the fact that Axl's lyrics in that song identify an ongoing problem in the United States and the anger it provokes in many Americans.

Linux, I bet you'd be the same type of person who says security at airports or anywhere should not racially profile anyone due to their race or gender. If so, that's absolutely brilliant. 99.9% of what the western world classifies as 'terrorists' are of muslim decent. The other 0.01% are Irish... that's because we're nuts (yes, I'm of Irish decent) and drunk more often than not. I completely agree that ALL muslim's should get extra attention at airports and train stations. If they want to nail me too because I'm Irish, so be it.

It's not racism, it's common sense.

A lot of the liberal left lacks quite a bit of that and it always winds up turning into World Wars or buildings in New York falling down.

Silly liberals.

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I think it's perfectly logical to talk about specific groups of people if there's a clear and present problem with a particular group. For example, we have a problem with Mexicans flooding across our borders... as well as a large Muslim contingent. Only a small percentile actually adapt to United States culture. What I mean by that is, learn the language and do things legally. If a vast majority of them do not learn the language and do the majoirty of their business pracices illegally, it's a problem. How else are you supposed to talk about it and solve the problem if you can't identify the people that are the problem without being called a racist?

You can talk about the problems if you're specific about what the problems are. Like you said in the post above, that's not racist. But if you say all immigrants are a problem or something similar to that, well you'll probably need to check yourself. It all depends on HOW you say it and WHAT you mean.

Any American would understand that as they see it and experience it on almost a daily basis. No other country in the world has immigration problems like our country. Yet, most outsiders are quick to bash the United States and tell Americans how shitty our country is... how racist and ignortant our people are... etc. etc. Well, it must not be that bad to the immagrants themselves who will do anything to get inside our borders. Such a bad evil place the United States must be.

Very funny and patriotic of you. No other countires have the same problems? Which planet are you living on? Oh right, the americna one....

Just because people escape their own countires (for whatever reason) and come to other countries it doesn't mean they had that many choices of which country to pick. As long as it's better than where they came from, but to then try to justify racial slander by saying "Such a bad evil place USA must be" and being ironic about these peoples situations just shows that you're still in that racist egocentric mindset (that you showed so well in the "Axl's political view"-thread).

Sure, Axl went about it in a derogatory way in OIAM. If it bothers anyone so much, they shouldn't listen to Guns N' Roses. The fact of the matter is, the 'politically correct' folk can scream and cry and throw all the flags they want and call people racists all they want, but that's not going to change the fact that Axl's lyrics in that song identify an ongoing problem in the United States and the anger it provokes in many Americans.

I know that you experience the world in only black and white. Either you're this or that and the problem is solved, right? Life must be really simple when you're only concern is you.

No one is calling Axl a racist, we're just discussing the lyrics, where some of us feel they are stupid while others feel they're alright. Welcome to the world of forums, Brat13.

Linux, I bet you'd be the same type of person who says security at airports or anywhere should not racially profile anyone due to their race or gender. If so, that's absolutely brilliant. 99.9% of what the western world classifies as 'terrorists' are of muslim decent. The other 0.01% are Irish... that's because we're nuts (yes, I'm of Irish decent) and drunk more often than not. I completely agree that ALL muslim's should get extra attention at airports and train stations. If they want to nail me too because I'm Irish, so be it.

It's not racism, it's common sense.

Racial profiling is common sense?! Once again with the easy sollution. Racial profiling hasn't gotten anyone anywhere. Where did you get those numbers you're talking about? Racial profiling is and will always be racist and I am not at all surprised you support that kind of treatment. Woman should stay home and cook and take care of the children too, right? Get our of your cave, dude.

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What Axl was referring to when he spoke about imigrants was a time when he went in to a 7-11(gas station/mini mart) and the imigrants running the store ran him out becuase of how he looked. He was pissed about the fact that people come to this country and refuse to learn how to speak english. He wasnt talking about all immigrants, but the ones who come here and wont learn english and run off the people who ARE citizens of this counrty. We have a big problem in this country with people coming here, living off of tax payers money, opening businesses and not paying their taxes, then selling the business to another family member to keep from paying taxes, and then they look down on us Americans. Its easier for an immigrant to come here and get money from the US govt to start a business, or get food stamps, then it is for someone who was born here and pays taxes here. Immigrants are WELCOME is this country, but they need to remmeber they are now in AMERICA and need to act accordingly.

Unless you have been where he's been and seen what he's seen, you cannot understand where he is coming from.

And please dont misunderstand me- im not saying its ok to talk shit about all the people he mentioned, but you have to have experienced what he is talking about.

Aren't all Americans immigrants beside of the native Indians?? The U.S.A is build on immigrants so why complain about it.

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silkworms:Listen motherfuckers to this song that should be heard

Thrown down in the gutter, it’s more than you deserve

Kneeling fucking virgin, you know that's what you are

Pussy full of maggots, isn't that absurd

What can I do?

With a bitch like you

You know that it’s true

my michelle: Your daddy works in porno

Now that mommy's not around

She used to love her heroine

But now she's underground

So you stay out late at night

And you do your coke for free

Drivin' your friends crazy

With your life's insanity

Well, well, well you just can't tell

Well, well, well my Michelle

Sowin' all your wild oats

In another's luxuries

Yesterday was Tuesday

Maybe Thursday you can sleep

But school starts much too early

And this hotel wasn't free

So party till your connection calls

Honey I'll return the keys

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might'swell play a game to entertain ourself for the while,

whats your favourite gnr quote off a song?

doesnt have to be all time, could just be current.

my current one is

" Funny How Everything Was Roses When We Held Onto The Guns "

as you can see on my signature ;)

it was in my signature for ages aswell

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I think it's perfectly logical to talk about specific groups of people if there's a clear and present problem with a particular group. For example, we have a problem with Mexicans flooding across our borders... as well as a large Muslim contingent. Only a small percentile actually adapt to United States culture. What I mean by that is, learn the language and do things legally. If a vast majority of them do not learn the language and do the majoirty of their business pracices illegally, it's a problem. How else are you supposed to talk about it and solve the problem if you can't identify the people that are the problem without being called a racist?

You can talk about the problems if you're specific about what the problems are. Like you said in the post above, that's not racist. But if you say all immigrants are a problem or something similar to that, well you'll probably need to check yourself. It all depends on HOW you say it and WHAT you mean.

Any American would understand that as they see it and experience it on almost a daily basis. No other country in the world has immigration problems like our country. Yet, most outsiders are quick to bash the United States and tell Americans how shitty our country is... how racist and ignortant our people are... etc. etc. Well, it must not be that bad to the immagrants themselves who will do anything to get inside our borders. Such a bad evil place the United States must be.

Very funny and patriotic of you. No other countires have the same problems? Which planet are you living on? Oh right, the americna one....

Just because people escape their own countires (for whatever reason) and come to other countries it doesn't mean they had that many choices of which country to pick. As long as it's better than where they came from, but to then try to justify racial slander by saying "Such a bad evil place USA must be" and being ironic about these peoples situations just shows that you're still in that racist egocentric mindset (that you showed so well in the "Axl's political view"-thread).

Sure, Axl went about it in a derogatory way in OIAM. If it bothers anyone so much, they shouldn't listen to Guns N' Roses. The fact of the matter is, the 'politically correct' folk can scream and cry and throw all the flags they want and call people racists all they want, but that's not going to change the fact that Axl's lyrics in that song identify an ongoing problem in the United States and the anger it provokes in many Americans.

I know that you experience the world in only black and white. Either you're this or that and the problem is solved, right? Life must be really simple when you're only concern is you.

No one is calling Axl a racist, we're just discussing the lyrics, where some of us feel they are stupid while others feel they're alright. Welcome to the world of forums, Brat13.

Linux, I bet you'd be the same type of person who says security at airports or anywhere should not racially profile anyone due to their race or gender. If so, that's absolutely brilliant. 99.9% of what the western world classifies as 'terrorists' are of muslim decent. The other 0.01% are Irish... that's because we're nuts (yes, I'm of Irish decent) and drunk more often than not. I completely agree that ALL muslim's should get extra attention at airports and train stations. If they want to nail me too because I'm Irish, so be it.

It's not racism, it's common sense.

Racial profiling is common sense?! Once again with the easy sollution. Racial profiling hasn't gotten anyone anywhere. Where did you get those numbers you're talking about? Racial profiling is and will always be racist and I am not at all surprised you support that kind of treatment. Woman should stay home and cook and take care of the children too, right? Get our of your cave, dude.

You're such a tool... no grasp of reality... quick to label people and twist words... with no common sense to boot.

I bet you chase down oil tankers in a Greenpeace boat.

The only racist, ignorant, biased, closed-minded, judgemental buffoon here is the person that looks back at you in the mirror based on your grasp of reality. I'm not even going to try arguing with you because it sounds like you're just another know-it-all that really just sounds like a dope that has no idea what they're talking about and are guilty of labeling people but have a hissy fit when somebody else does.

:sleeper:

Aren't all Americans immigrants beside of the native Indians?? The U.S.A is build on immigrants so why complain about it.

No offense, that's a dumb theory. Europeans aren't native to Europe. Nope. Neanderthals where... and they were killed off completely by your (our) invading ancestors from the plains of Africa.

Fact of the matter is, unless you're from the middle of Africa somewhere and still living there, nobody is native to anywhere.

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What Axl was referring to when he spoke about imigrants was a time when he went in to a 7-11(gas station/mini mart) and the imigrants running the store ran him out becuase of how he looked. He was pissed about the fact that people come to this country and refuse to learn how to speak english. He wasnt talking about all immigrants, but the ones who come here and wont learn english and run off the people who ARE citizens of this counrty. We have a big problem in this country with people coming here, living off of tax payers money, opening businesses and not paying their taxes, then selling the business to another family member to keep from paying taxes, and then they look down on us Americans. Its easier for an immigrant to come here and get money from the US govt to start a business, or get food stamps, then it is for someone who was born here and pays taxes here. Immigrants are WELCOME is this country, but they need to remmeber they are now in AMERICA and need to act accordingly.

Unless you have been where he's been and seen what he's seen, you cannot understand where he is coming from.

And please dont misunderstand me- im not saying its ok to talk shit about all the people he mentioned, but you have to have experienced what he is talking about.

Aren't all Americans immigrants beside of the native Indians?? The U.S.A is build on immigrants so why complain about it.

......"and some mini Iran..." or whatever the fuck it says. He is referring to that specific problem: Immirants coming to America and shitting on the American people, government and basic way of life.

And technically ALL of us Amercans are immigrants, but hell everyone is an immigrant if you wanna go far enough back. The US Constitution requires that one be born in the US in order to be the President. But we are talking about people that were born in another counrty and come to America and try to act and treat the people born in the US as if we were in their country, and that we should conform to their ways of life or get treaded like shit.

If you are NOT one of the above mentioned people, then dont be offended by the "immigrants" lyric.

Sowin' all your wild oats

In another's luxuries

Yesterday was Tuesday

Maybe Thursday you can sleep

But school starts much too early

And this hotel wasn't free

So party till your connection calls

Honey I'll return the keys

Ya think there was some serious gettn' fucked up goin on during the time that was written ? :rofl-lol: rock1

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You're such a tool... no grasp of reality... quick to label people and twist words... with no common sense to boot.

I bet you chase down oil tankers in a Greenpeace boat.

The only racist, ignorant, biased, closed-minded, judgemental buffoon here is the person that looks back at you in the mirror based on your grasp of reality. I'm not even going to try arguing with you because it sounds like you're just another know-it-all that really just sounds like a dope that has no idea what they're talking about and are guilty of labeling people but have a hissy fit when somebody else does.

All that is pretty ironic coming from you. Look at the discussion above and how you express yourself and maybe you'll see my words were just a spin-off of how you choose interact with other people. If you see how I wrote to other people before you "blessed" us with your "common sense" there is a difference. I guess the medicine you hand out tasted pretty bitter when you have to swallow it yourself. Your way of dealing with other opinions is bashing on them, calling them names and posting figures/numbers without any source in an attempt to make them insecure. But two can play that game, you know. The question is where that kind of discussion will lead. (Nowhere). So I'll admit you were right about this-----> :sleeper: <---but that's pretty much it.

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Racial profiling is common sense?! Once again with the easy sollution. Racial profiling hasn't gotten anyone anywhere. Where did you get those numbers you're talking about? Racial profiling is and will always be racist and I am not at all surprised you support that kind of treatment. Woman should stay home and cook and take care of the children too, right? Get our of your cave, dude.

Now thats just trying to argue. Think about it. If US border patrol or Immigration is looking for illegals, do you think they would catch more people by ONLY checking people of hispanic ethnicity or by checking every white, black or hispanic person they see? Serioulsly, which method do you think would catch more people?

Its funny how so many foreigners are experts when it comes to what goes on in America. There is not another country in the world like it. And there are so many different places and things that make America what it is, unless you've lived in several different places in American then you havent seen much.

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Racial profiling is common sense?! Once again with the easy sollution. Racial profiling hasn't gotten anyone anywhere. Where did you get those numbers you're talking about? Racial profiling is and will always be racist and I am not at all surprised you support that kind of treatment. Woman should stay home and cook and take care of the children too, right? Get our of your cave, dude.

Now thats just trying to argue. Think about it. If US border patrol or Immigration is looking for illegals, do you think they would catch more people by ONLY checking people of hispanic ethnicity or by checking every white, black or hispanic person they see? Serioulsly, which method do you think would catch more people?

A little different to look for "illegals" at the border and limiting your search to hispanic-looking people than to do racial profiling at airports for terrorists or at a crimescene for criminals. If you're at the border looking for for example mexicans, of course the logical reason is to look for people that look hispanic. But using racial profiling when trying to fight terrorism, crime etc is what the racial profiling debate is all about. Anyone can be a terrorist (there are no numbers as Matt13 claims) and anyone can commit a crime. I thought that was clear everywhere. No one is saying that you shouldn't be logical about stuff, just don't be ignorant about it.

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Racial profiling is common sense?! Once again with the easy sollution. Racial profiling hasn't gotten anyone anywhere. Where did you get those numbers you're talking about? Racial profiling is and will always be racist and I am not at all surprised you support that kind of treatment. Woman should stay home and cook and take care of the children too, right? Get our of your cave, dude.

Now thats just trying to argue. Think about it. If US border patrol or Immigration is looking for illegals, do you think they would catch more people by ONLY checking people of hispanic ethnicity or by checking every white, black or hispanic person they see? Serioulsly, which method do you think would catch more people?

A little different to look for "illegals" at the border and limiting your search to hispanic-looking people than to do racial profiling at airports for terrorists or at a crimescene for criminals. If you're at the border looking for for example mexicans, of course the logical reason is to look for people that look hispanic. But using racial profiling when trying to fight terrorism, crime etc is what the racial profiling debate is all about. Anyone can be a terrorist (there are no numbers as Matt13 claims) and anyone can commit a crime. I thought that was clear everywhere. No one is saying that you shouldn't be logical about stuff, just don't be ignorant about it.

Tell you what....find me 10 people that have been convicted of terrorism who are also Muslim. 9 out of 10 are not caucasian, hispanic, naitve american, african, or african american. So, who does that leave? When it comes to racial profiling at airports, it is a MUST. How many terrorists can you find pics of(for proof) that are one of the ethnicities that I mentioned above?

Or tell you what, come to the city to a crimescene of a murder. And at a good number of murders in major US cities, you will find that they are gang related. So the victim is black, or hispanic or whatever and they are wearing alot of a certain color. Do you think it was someone of a different nationality that killed the gang member, and you should check all the white, asians, and blackd around, or do you think that someone of their own race did it? It dont really care what your answer is, becuase the facts are the facts. All you have to do is look at the statistics, they dont lie.

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Tell you what....find me 10 people that have been convicted of terrorism who are also Muslim. 9 out of 10 are not caucasian, hispanic, naitve american, african, or african american. So, who does that leave? When it comes to racial profiling at airports, it is a MUST. How many terrorists can you find pics of(for proof) that are one of the ethnicities that I mentioned above?

I don't know and I don't think you do either. So let me ask you this: how many people do you think get hasseled though being completely innocent? How any people miss their flights for having a certain look? How many people get treated bad and embarrased without doing anything wrong? How many times has this racial profiling led to anything good versus anything bad? Use logic when thinking about these hypothetical questions. Terrorism is insane and no one can really grasp it but the fact of the matter is that the terrorists are a majority and everytime we let them take away bits of freedom by enforcing laws that hit the innocent people the hardest they have won a piece of the battle.

So what do you really base your support for racial profiling on? Your skin?

Or tell you what, come to the city to a crimescene of a murder. And at a good number of murders in major US cities, you will find that they are gang related. So the victim is black, or hispanic or whatever and they are wearing alot of a certain color. Do you think it was someone of a different nationality that killed the gang member, and you should check all the white, asians, and blackd around, or do you think that someone of their own race did it? It dont really care what your answer is, becuase the facts are the facts. All you have to do is look at the statistics, they dont lie.

The fact is that statistics do lie. Ask anyone who works with them on a daily basis. You can prove and disprove anything you want witht he right statistics (without really proving or disproving anything at all). At a crimescene of course you question the people who are nearby, the people in the neighborhood, relatives, friends of the victim etc. There is a code to follow.

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Tell you what....find me 10 people that have been convicted of terrorism who are also Muslim. 9 out of 10 are not caucasian, hispanic, naitve american, african, or african american. So, who does that leave? When it comes to racial profiling at airports, it is a MUST. How many terrorists can you find pics of(for proof) that are one of the ethnicities that I mentioned above?

I don't know and I don't think you do either. So let me ask you this: how many people do you think get hasseled though being completely innocent? How any people miss their flights for having a certain look? How many people get treated bad and embarrased without doing anything wrong? How many times has this racial profiling led to anything good versus anything bad? Use logic when thinking about these hypothetical questions. Terrorism is insane and no one can really grasp it but the fact of the matter is that the terrorists are a majority and everytime we let them take away bits of freedom by enforcing laws that hit the innocent people the hardest they have won a piece of the battle.

So what do you really base your support for racial profiling on? Your skin?

I try to put myself in the other peoples shoes. If it was white people that were responsible for the VAST MAJORITY of the problem, then I would understand why I am being inspected more thoroughly than others, and come to expect it, and accept it.

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I try to put myself in the other peoples shoes. If it was white people that were responsible for the VAST MAJORITY of the problem, then I would understand why I am being inspected more thoroughly than others, and come to expect it, and accept it.

Well, the big picture is that we don't live in an equal society. So you really have to look at why the people who are in jail are there. White people (especially white men) are on top of the food chain, in case you hadn't noticed. So if you try to put yourself in other peoples shoes, that's where you should start, woth the ones on the bottom.

I'm not trying to bash you or anything and I think you're using a good tone (unlike Matt13) in a discussion where we have very different opinions so I hope you take it all the right way. Discussions are good to have ;)

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D'you wear a black armband

When they shot the man

Who said "Peace could last forever"

And in my first memories

They shot Kennedy

I went numb when I learned to see

So I never fell for Vietnam

We got the wall of D.C. to remind us all

That you can't trust freedom

When it's not in your hands

When everybody's fightin'

For their promised land

love it... and this part is sung so good

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I try to put myself in the other peoples shoes. If it was white people that were responsible for the VAST MAJORITY of the problem, then I would understand why I am being inspected more thoroughly than others, and come to expect it, and accept it.

Well, the big picture is that we don't live in an equal society. So you really have to look at why the people who are in jail are there. White people (especially white men) are on top of the food chain, in case you hadn't noticed. So if you try to put yourself in other peoples shoes, that's where you should start, woth the ones on the bottom.

I'm not trying to bash you or anything and I think you're using a good tone (unlike Matt13) in a discussion where we have very different opinions so I hope you take it all the right way. Discussions are good to have ;)

No if I take offense to it you'll get a :fuckyou: , and ill expect the same back, but we are having a civilized discussion.

If you look at why people are in jail, most of them are there for commiting a crime. Yes, there alot of black men in jail, and maybe they were selling drugs to feed their family, but the ends dont justify the means.

If I am at the bottom of the food chain, then I am going to look for an example of who has come from where I have come from and what they have done to succeed. Unfortunatley, the reason for the HUGE jail population comes from a breakdown in family values. People thinking one person can raise a child. There are no positve male role models, not one to supervise, no one to discipline. The one parent is busy working to make ends meat and most of the time it is the woman, and its hard for a woman to raise a man, especially one in his teenage years.

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I've been walking the streets at night

just trying to get it right

hard to see with so many around

you know I don't like being stuck in the crowd

and the streets dont change but baby the name (does he say baby or maybe) :/

I aint got time for the game

Cause I need you

Yeah Yeah well I need you

Oh I need you

Whoa I need you

this time

I don't think I saw anyone respond, but I have always understood and heard it as MAYBE

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If you look at why people are in jail, most of them are there for commiting a crime. Yes, there alot of black men in jail, and maybe they were selling drugs to feed their family, but the ends dont justify the means.

If I am at the bottom of the food chain, then I am going to look for an example of who has come from where I have come from and what they have done to succeed. Unfortunatley, the reason for the HUGE jail population comes from a breakdown in family values. People thinking one person can raise a child. There are no positve male role models, not one to supervise, no one to discipline. The one parent is busy working to make ends meat and most of the time it is the woman, and its hard for a woman to raise a man, especially one in his teenage years.

I don't think you can sum it up to be that simple. The justice system isn't equal so the "maybe they were selling drugs to feed their family" is a little far fetched and filled with prejudice since people are not always sentenced the same way. If some groups of people don't get the same chances as other groups people of course they must do other things to get by. It's not very human like to stand and take injustice after injustice being dealt your way.

As far as being a single parent I think it works and is not something that can be concidered as ageneral facotr for people doing drugs, commiting crimes etc. Also, the thing about male role models. Almost all people have men in their lives in the form of grandparents, brothers, male friends, teachers and so on. There hasn't have to be a man in the house to complete a family. At least not in my opinion. How do you feel about lesbian couples rasing a kid? Or gay couples in genral who adopt and raise children? Is that also a problem to have two parents of the same sex?

and the streets dont change but baby the name (does he say baby or maybe) :/

I don't think I saw anyone respond, but I have always understood and heard it as MAYBE

Yeah, it's "maybe". :)

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I've been walking the streets at night

just trying to get it right

hard to see with so many around

you know I don't like being stuck in the crowd

and the streets dont change but baby the name (does he say baby or maybe) :/

I aint got time for the game

Cause I need you

Yeah Yeah well I need you

Oh I need you

Whoa I need you

this time

I don't think I saw anyone respond, but I have always understood and heard it as MAYBE

I hate that so many people love that song, but those end lyrics are fuckn awesome. I can really relate to them....

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Will you guys please shut the fuck up and talk about that in private or some shit and stop spamming this thread with your little pussy whining. We don't give a fuck.

Anyways...with lyrics...

I've come to know the cold

I think of it as home

When there ain't enough of me to go around

I'd rather be left alone

But if I call you out of habit I'm out of love and

I gotta have it

Would you give it to me if I fit you needs

Like when we both knew we had it

But now the damage's done

And we're back out on the run

Fun how ev'rything was roses

When we held on to the guns

Just because you're winnin'

Don't mean you're the lucky ones

---Breakdown

When I find out all the reasons

Maybe I'll find another way

Find another day

With all the changing seasons of my life

Maybe I'll get it right next time

An now that you've been broken down

Got your head out of the clouds

You're back down on the ground

And you don't talk so loud

An you don't walk so proud

Any more, and what for

Well I jumped into the river too many times

to make it home

I'm out here on my own, an drifting all alone

If it doesn't show give it time

To read between the lines

'Cause I see the storm getting closer

And the waves they get so high

Seems everything We've ever known's here

Why must it drift away and die

I'll never find anyone to replace you

Guess I'll have to make it thru, this time

Oh this time

Without you

---Estranged

Every lyric to Don't Damn Me and November Rain.

Don't ever leave me

Say you'll always be there

All I ever wanted

Was for you

To know that I care

---Rocket Queen

Take me down to the Paradise City

Where the grass is green and the girls are pretty

---Paradise City(obviously)

^^^how could nobody have said that yet?

Now I get up around whenever

I used ta get up on time

But that old man he's a real muthafucker

Gonna kick him on down the line

---Mr. Brownstone

SO many more, but that would be a waste of time.

Guns N' Roses = best lyricists ever(besides 2Pac)

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If you look at why people are in jail, most of them are there for commiting a crime. Yes, there alot of black men in jail, and maybe they were selling drugs to feed their family, but the ends dont justify the means.

If I am at the bottom of the food chain, then I am going to look for an example of who has come from where I have come from and what they have done to succeed. Unfortunatley, the reason for the HUGE jail population comes from a breakdown in family values. People thinking one person can raise a child. There are no positve male role models, not one to supervise, no one to discipline. The one parent is busy working to make ends meat and most of the time it is the woman, and its hard for a woman to raise a man, especially one in his teenage years.

I don't think you can sum it up to be that simple. The justice system isn't equal so the "maybe they were selling drugs to feed their family" is a little far fetched and filled with prejudice since people are not always sentenced the same way. If some groups of people don't get the same chances as other groups people of course they must do other things to get by. It's not very human like to stand and take injustice after injustice being dealt your way.

As far as being a single parent I think it works and is not something that can be concidered as ageneral facotr for people doing drugs, commiting crimes etc. Also, the thing about male role models. Almost all people have men in their lives in the form of grandparents, brothers, male friends, teachers and so on. There hasn't have to be a man in the house to complete a family. At least not in my opinion. How do you feel about lesbian couples rasing a kid? Or gay couples in genral who adopt and raise children? Is that also a problem to have two parents of the same sex?

and the streets dont change but baby the name (does he say baby or maybe) :/

I don't think I saw anyone respond, but I have always understood and heard it as MAYBE

Yeah, it's "maybe". :)

Im not going to get into the deep subject of gay parents, etc. But, when it comes to FACT that there are more black men of college age in prison, then in college, it comes back to the upbringing. MOST of the time there is one parent, so there is little of no supervision. The role models are the rappers they listen to talkking about killing people, and selling drugs. The older guys who arent in prison are in gangs and selling drugs, etc. Since there is only one parent, and they are at work, or smoking crack with wellfare money, there is no one there to tell them whats right and wrong. When you are SURROUNDED by something, it will eventually change you, one way or another.

Again, Im not trying to be a know it all or an ass hole or tell you that you dont know what you are talking about, but you dont !!

I have lived in the city. I have been the ONLY white resident in an all black apartment complex and a all mexican complex, with no english speakers. I have lived the gang members and BIG drug dealers. I have been there, as well as in jail for participating. Why, cause I had one parent around so I spend most of my time with my peers. They taugh me what was right and wrong, in the street. And Imad bad choices.

I am one of the lucky ones whos one parent still did everything they could to keep me out of trouble, which most dont have, and eventually i made it through and out.

When you talk about unfair justice system, you are right. I live here and have seen it PERSONALLY. Murderers and Rapists getting shorter sentences then someone is possesion of drugs. The inequality of the whole system has nothing to do with the choices that people make for their day to day life, and ultimatley their future. But again, I have been there and I am speaking from experience, not from what I read or saw on TV or what someone told me.

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