Guest Matt13 Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 Axls words have offended alot of people. But thats one of the reasons why we love him. He says whats on his mind and doesnt give a fuck what anyone else thinks. Again, im not saying its ok to talk shit about GROUPS OF PEOPLE. And until you have been a minority, in a scary situation, and experienced what he is talking about , you just wont understand.I think it's perfectly logical to talk about specific groups of people if there's a clear and present problem with a particular group. For example, we have a problem with Mexicans flooding across our borders... as well as a large Muslim contingent. Only a small percentile actually adapt to United States culture. What I mean by that is, learn the language and do things legally. If a vast majority of them do not learn the language and do the majoirty of their business pracices illegally, it's a problem. How else are you supposed to talk about it and solve the problem if you can't identify the people that are the problem without being called a racist? Gimme a break. Any American would understand that as they see it and experience it on almost a daily basis. No other country in the world has immigration problems like our country. Yet, most outsiders are quick to bash the United States and tell Americans how shitty our country is... how racist and ignortant our people are... etc. etc. Well, it must not be that bad to the immagrants themselves who will do anything to get inside our borders. Such a bad evil place the United States must be. Sure, Axl went about it in a derogatory way in OIAM. If it bothers anyone so much, they shouldn't listen to Guns N' Roses. The fact of the matter is, the 'politically correct' folk can scream and cry and throw all the flags they want and call people racists all they want, but that's not going to change the fact that Axl's lyrics in that song identify an ongoing problem in the United States and the anger it provokes in many Americans. Linux, I bet you'd be the same type of person who says security at airports or anywhere should not racially profile anyone due to their race or gender. If so, that's absolutely brilliant. 99.9% of what the western world classifies as 'terrorists' are of muslim decent. The other 0.01% are Irish... that's because we're nuts (yes, I'm of Irish decent) and drunk more often than not. I completely agree that ALL muslim's should get extra attention at airports and train stations. If they want to nail me too because I'm Irish, so be it. It's not racism, it's common sense. A lot of the liberal left lacks quite a bit of that and it always winds up turning into World Wars or buildings in New York falling down.Silly liberals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chesire78 Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 don't you cry tonight there a heaven above you baby :xmasssanta: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukinx Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 (edited) I think it's perfectly logical to talk about specific groups of people if there's a clear and present problem with a particular group. For example, we have a problem with Mexicans flooding across our borders... as well as a large Muslim contingent. Only a small percentile actually adapt to United States culture. What I mean by that is, learn the language and do things legally. If a vast majority of them do not learn the language and do the majoirty of their business pracices illegally, it's a problem. How else are you supposed to talk about it and solve the problem if you can't identify the people that are the problem without being called a racist?You can talk about the problems if you're specific about what the problems are. Like you said in the post above, that's not racist. But if you say all immigrants are a problem or something similar to that, well you'll probably need to check yourself. It all depends on HOW you say it and WHAT you mean.Any American would understand that as they see it and experience it on almost a daily basis. No other country in the world has immigration problems like our country. Yet, most outsiders are quick to bash the United States and tell Americans how shitty our country is... how racist and ignortant our people are... etc. etc. Well, it must not be that bad to the immagrants themselves who will do anything to get inside our borders. Such a bad evil place the United States must be.Very funny and patriotic of you. No other countires have the same problems? Which planet are you living on? Oh right, the americna one....Just because people escape their own countires (for whatever reason) and come to other countries it doesn't mean they had that many choices of which country to pick. As long as it's better than where they came from, but to then try to justify racial slander by saying "Such a bad evil place USA must be" and being ironic about these peoples situations just shows that you're still in that racist egocentric mindset (that you showed so well in the "Axl's political view"-thread).Sure, Axl went about it in a derogatory way in OIAM. If it bothers anyone so much, they shouldn't listen to Guns N' Roses. The fact of the matter is, the 'politically correct' folk can scream and cry and throw all the flags they want and call people racists all they want, but that's not going to change the fact that Axl's lyrics in that song identify an ongoing problem in the United States and the anger it provokes in many Americans.I know that you experience the world in only black and white. Either you're this or that and the problem is solved, right? Life must be really simple when you're only concern is you.No one is calling Axl a racist, we're just discussing the lyrics, where some of us feel they are stupid while others feel they're alright. Welcome to the world of forums, Brat13.Linux, I bet you'd be the same type of person who says security at airports or anywhere should not racially profile anyone due to their race or gender. If so, that's absolutely brilliant. 99.9% of what the western world classifies as 'terrorists' are of muslim decent. The other 0.01% are Irish... that's because we're nuts (yes, I'm of Irish decent) and drunk more often than not. I completely agree that ALL muslim's should get extra attention at airports and train stations. If they want to nail me too because I'm Irish, so be it. It's not racism, it's common sense.Racial profiling is common sense?! Once again with the easy sollution. Racial profiling hasn't gotten anyone anywhere. Where did you get those numbers you're talking about? Racial profiling is and will always be racist and I am not at all surprised you support that kind of treatment. Woman should stay home and cook and take care of the children too, right? Get our of your cave, dude. Edited December 22, 2006 by Lukinx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DopeSickGirl Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 So many seem so lonely with noone left to cry to baby.. Vicarious existence is a fucking waste of time.. Its a mass of confusion like the lies that sell to you.. ..there are more, those just spring to mind.xDSGx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droezle Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 What Axl was referring to when he spoke about imigrants was a time when he went in to a 7-11(gas station/mini mart) and the imigrants running the store ran him out becuase of how he looked. He was pissed about the fact that people come to this country and refuse to learn how to speak english. He wasnt talking about all immigrants, but the ones who come here and wont learn english and run off the people who ARE citizens of this counrty. We have a big problem in this country with people coming here, living off of tax payers money, opening businesses and not paying their taxes, then selling the business to another family member to keep from paying taxes, and then they look down on us Americans. Its easier for an immigrant to come here and get money from the US govt to start a business, or get food stamps, then it is for someone who was born here and pays taxes here. Immigrants are WELCOME is this country, but they need to remmeber they are now in AMERICA and need to act accordingly. Unless you have been where he's been and seen what he's seen, you cannot understand where he is coming from. And please dont misunderstand me- im not saying its ok to talk shit about all the people he mentioned, but you have to have experienced what he is talking about.Aren't all Americans immigrants beside of the native Indians?? The U.S.A is build on immigrants so why complain about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kill_YourIdols Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 silkworms:Listen motherfuckers to this song that should be heardThrown down in the gutter, it’s more than you deserveKneeling fucking virgin, you know that's what you arePussy full of maggots, isn't that absurd What can I do? With a bitch like youYou know that it’s truemy michelle: Your daddy works in pornoNow that mommy's not aroundShe used to love her heroine But now she's underground So you stay out late at night And you do your coke for free Drivin' your friends crazy With your life's insanityWell, well, well you just can't tellWell, well, well my MichelleSowin' all your wild oats In another's luxuries Yesterday was TuesdayMaybe Thursday you can sleepBut school starts much too early And this hotel wasn't free So party till your connection calls Honey I'll return the keys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssiscool Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 might'swell play a game to entertain ourself for the while,whats your favourite gnr quote off a song?doesnt have to be all time, could just be current.my current one is" Funny How Everything Was Roses When We Held Onto The Guns "as you can see on my signature it was in my signature for ages aswell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Matt13 Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 I think it's perfectly logical to talk about specific groups of people if there's a clear and present problem with a particular group. For example, we have a problem with Mexicans flooding across our borders... as well as a large Muslim contingent. Only a small percentile actually adapt to United States culture. What I mean by that is, learn the language and do things legally. If a vast majority of them do not learn the language and do the majoirty of their business pracices illegally, it's a problem. How else are you supposed to talk about it and solve the problem if you can't identify the people that are the problem without being called a racist?You can talk about the problems if you're specific about what the problems are. Like you said in the post above, that's not racist. But if you say all immigrants are a problem or something similar to that, well you'll probably need to check yourself. It all depends on HOW you say it and WHAT you mean.Any American would understand that as they see it and experience it on almost a daily basis. No other country in the world has immigration problems like our country. Yet, most outsiders are quick to bash the United States and tell Americans how shitty our country is... how racist and ignortant our people are... etc. etc. Well, it must not be that bad to the immagrants themselves who will do anything to get inside our borders. Such a bad evil place the United States must be.Very funny and patriotic of you. No other countires have the same problems? Which planet are you living on? Oh right, the americna one....Just because people escape their own countires (for whatever reason) and come to other countries it doesn't mean they had that many choices of which country to pick. As long as it's better than where they came from, but to then try to justify racial slander by saying "Such a bad evil place USA must be" and being ironic about these peoples situations just shows that you're still in that racist egocentric mindset (that you showed so well in the "Axl's political view"-thread).Sure, Axl went about it in a derogatory way in OIAM. If it bothers anyone so much, they shouldn't listen to Guns N' Roses. The fact of the matter is, the 'politically correct' folk can scream and cry and throw all the flags they want and call people racists all they want, but that's not going to change the fact that Axl's lyrics in that song identify an ongoing problem in the United States and the anger it provokes in many Americans.I know that you experience the world in only black and white. Either you're this or that and the problem is solved, right? Life must be really simple when you're only concern is you.No one is calling Axl a racist, we're just discussing the lyrics, where some of us feel they are stupid while others feel they're alright. Welcome to the world of forums, Brat13.Linux, I bet you'd be the same type of person who says security at airports or anywhere should not racially profile anyone due to their race or gender. If so, that's absolutely brilliant. 99.9% of what the western world classifies as 'terrorists' are of muslim decent. The other 0.01% are Irish... that's because we're nuts (yes, I'm of Irish decent) and drunk more often than not. I completely agree that ALL muslim's should get extra attention at airports and train stations. If they want to nail me too because I'm Irish, so be it. It's not racism, it's common sense.Racial profiling is common sense?! Once again with the easy sollution. Racial profiling hasn't gotten anyone anywhere. Where did you get those numbers you're talking about? Racial profiling is and will always be racist and I am not at all surprised you support that kind of treatment. Woman should stay home and cook and take care of the children too, right? Get our of your cave, dude.You're such a tool... no grasp of reality... quick to label people and twist words... with no common sense to boot.I bet you chase down oil tankers in a Greenpeace boat.The only racist, ignorant, biased, closed-minded, judgemental buffoon here is the person that looks back at you in the mirror based on your grasp of reality. I'm not even going to try arguing with you because it sounds like you're just another know-it-all that really just sounds like a dope that has no idea what they're talking about and are guilty of labeling people but have a hissy fit when somebody else does. Aren't all Americans immigrants beside of the native Indians?? The U.S.A is build on immigrants so why complain about it.No offense, that's a dumb theory. Europeans aren't native to Europe. Nope. Neanderthals where... and they were killed off completely by your (our) invading ancestors from the plains of Africa.Fact of the matter is, unless you're from the middle of Africa somewhere and still living there, nobody is native to anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnfnr2006 Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 What Axl was referring to when he spoke about imigrants was a time when he went in to a 7-11(gas station/mini mart) and the imigrants running the store ran him out becuase of how he looked. He was pissed about the fact that people come to this country and refuse to learn how to speak english. He wasnt talking about all immigrants, but the ones who come here and wont learn english and run off the people who ARE citizens of this counrty. We have a big problem in this country with people coming here, living off of tax payers money, opening businesses and not paying their taxes, then selling the business to another family member to keep from paying taxes, and then they look down on us Americans. Its easier for an immigrant to come here and get money from the US govt to start a business, or get food stamps, then it is for someone who was born here and pays taxes here. Immigrants are WELCOME is this country, but they need to remmeber they are now in AMERICA and need to act accordingly. Unless you have been where he's been and seen what he's seen, you cannot understand where he is coming from. And please dont misunderstand me- im not saying its ok to talk shit about all the people he mentioned, but you have to have experienced what he is talking about.Aren't all Americans immigrants beside of the native Indians?? The U.S.A is build on immigrants so why complain about it......."and some mini Iran..." or whatever the fuck it says. He is referring to that specific problem: Immirants coming to America and shitting on the American people, government and basic way of life. And technically ALL of us Amercans are immigrants, but hell everyone is an immigrant if you wanna go far enough back. The US Constitution requires that one be born in the US in order to be the President. But we are talking about people that were born in another counrty and come to America and try to act and treat the people born in the US as if we were in their country, and that we should conform to their ways of life or get treaded like shit. If you are NOT one of the above mentioned people, then dont be offended by the "immigrants" lyric.Sowin' all your wild oats In another's luxuries Yesterday was TuesdayMaybe Thursday you can sleepBut school starts much too early And this hotel wasn't free So party till your connection calls Honey I'll return the keys Ya think there was some serious gettn' fucked up goin on during the time that was written ? rock1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukinx Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 (edited) You're such a tool... no grasp of reality... quick to label people and twist words... with no common sense to boot.I bet you chase down oil tankers in a Greenpeace boat.The only racist, ignorant, biased, closed-minded, judgemental buffoon here is the person that looks back at you in the mirror based on your grasp of reality. I'm not even going to try arguing with you because it sounds like you're just another know-it-all that really just sounds like a dope that has no idea what they're talking about and are guilty of labeling people but have a hissy fit when somebody else does.All that is pretty ironic coming from you. Look at the discussion above and how you express yourself and maybe you'll see my words were just a spin-off of how you choose interact with other people. If you see how I wrote to other people before you "blessed" us with your "common sense" there is a difference. I guess the medicine you hand out tasted pretty bitter when you have to swallow it yourself. Your way of dealing with other opinions is bashing on them, calling them names and posting figures/numbers without any source in an attempt to make them insecure. But two can play that game, you know. The question is where that kind of discussion will lead. (Nowhere). So I'll admit you were right about this-----> <---but that's pretty much it. Edited December 22, 2006 by Lukinx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnfnr2006 Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 (edited) Racial profiling is common sense?! Once again with the easy sollution. Racial profiling hasn't gotten anyone anywhere. Where did you get those numbers you're talking about? Racial profiling is and will always be racist and I am not at all surprised you support that kind of treatment. Woman should stay home and cook and take care of the children too, right? Get our of your cave, dude.Now thats just trying to argue. Think about it. If US border patrol or Immigration is looking for illegals, do you think they would catch more people by ONLY checking people of hispanic ethnicity or by checking every white, black or hispanic person they see? Serioulsly, which method do you think would catch more people?Its funny how so many foreigners are experts when it comes to what goes on in America. There is not another country in the world like it. And there are so many different places and things that make America what it is, unless you've lived in several different places in American then you havent seen much. Edited December 22, 2006 by gnfnr2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukinx Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 (edited) Racial profiling is common sense?! Once again with the easy sollution. Racial profiling hasn't gotten anyone anywhere. Where did you get those numbers you're talking about? Racial profiling is and will always be racist and I am not at all surprised you support that kind of treatment. Woman should stay home and cook and take care of the children too, right? Get our of your cave, dude.Now thats just trying to argue. Think about it. If US border patrol or Immigration is looking for illegals, do you think they would catch more people by ONLY checking people of hispanic ethnicity or by checking every white, black or hispanic person they see? Serioulsly, which method do you think would catch more people?A little different to look for "illegals" at the border and limiting your search to hispanic-looking people than to do racial profiling at airports for terrorists or at a crimescene for criminals. If you're at the border looking for for example mexicans, of course the logical reason is to look for people that look hispanic. But using racial profiling when trying to fight terrorism, crime etc is what the racial profiling debate is all about. Anyone can be a terrorist (there are no numbers as Matt13 claims) and anyone can commit a crime. I thought that was clear everywhere. No one is saying that you shouldn't be logical about stuff, just don't be ignorant about it. Edited December 22, 2006 by Lukinx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnfnr2006 Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 (edited) Racial profiling is common sense?! Once again with the easy sollution. Racial profiling hasn't gotten anyone anywhere. Where did you get those numbers you're talking about? Racial profiling is and will always be racist and I am not at all surprised you support that kind of treatment. Woman should stay home and cook and take care of the children too, right? Get our of your cave, dude.Now thats just trying to argue. Think about it. If US border patrol or Immigration is looking for illegals, do you think they would catch more people by ONLY checking people of hispanic ethnicity or by checking every white, black or hispanic person they see? Serioulsly, which method do you think would catch more people?A little different to look for "illegals" at the border and limiting your search to hispanic-looking people than to do racial profiling at airports for terrorists or at a crimescene for criminals. If you're at the border looking for for example mexicans, of course the logical reason is to look for people that look hispanic. But using racial profiling when trying to fight terrorism, crime etc is what the racial profiling debate is all about. Anyone can be a terrorist (there are no numbers as Matt13 claims) and anyone can commit a crime. I thought that was clear everywhere. No one is saying that you shouldn't be logical about stuff, just don't be ignorant about it.Tell you what....find me 10 people that have been convicted of terrorism who are also Muslim. 9 out of 10 are not caucasian, hispanic, naitve american, african, or african american. So, who does that leave? When it comes to racial profiling at airports, it is a MUST. How many terrorists can you find pics of(for proof) that are one of the ethnicities that I mentioned above?Or tell you what, come to the city to a crimescene of a murder. And at a good number of murders in major US cities, you will find that they are gang related. So the victim is black, or hispanic or whatever and they are wearing alot of a certain color. Do you think it was someone of a different nationality that killed the gang member, and you should check all the white, asians, and blackd around, or do you think that someone of their own race did it? It dont really care what your answer is, becuase the facts are the facts. All you have to do is look at the statistics, they dont lie. Edited December 22, 2006 by gnfnr2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nollsiesays Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 Tongue like a razor, Sweet switchblade knife. And I can do you baby but then you'll do whatever i like! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukinx Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 (edited) Tell you what....find me 10 people that have been convicted of terrorism who are also Muslim. 9 out of 10 are not caucasian, hispanic, naitve american, african, or african american. So, who does that leave? When it comes to racial profiling at airports, it is a MUST. How many terrorists can you find pics of(for proof) that are one of the ethnicities that I mentioned above?I don't know and I don't think you do either. So let me ask you this: how many people do you think get hasseled though being completely innocent? How any people miss their flights for having a certain look? How many people get treated bad and embarrased without doing anything wrong? How many times has this racial profiling led to anything good versus anything bad? Use logic when thinking about these hypothetical questions. Terrorism is insane and no one can really grasp it but the fact of the matter is that the terrorists are a majority and everytime we let them take away bits of freedom by enforcing laws that hit the innocent people the hardest they have won a piece of the battle.So what do you really base your support for racial profiling on? Your skin?Or tell you what, come to the city to a crimescene of a murder. And at a good number of murders in major US cities, you will find that they are gang related. So the victim is black, or hispanic or whatever and they are wearing alot of a certain color. Do you think it was someone of a different nationality that killed the gang member, and you should check all the white, asians, and blackd around, or do you think that someone of their own race did it? It dont really care what your answer is, becuase the facts are the facts. All you have to do is look at the statistics, they dont lie.The fact is that statistics do lie. Ask anyone who works with them on a daily basis. You can prove and disprove anything you want witht he right statistics (without really proving or disproving anything at all). At a crimescene of course you question the people who are nearby, the people in the neighborhood, relatives, friends of the victim etc. There is a code to follow. Edited December 22, 2006 by Lukinx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnfnr2006 Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 Tell you what....find me 10 people that have been convicted of terrorism who are also Muslim. 9 out of 10 are not caucasian, hispanic, naitve american, african, or african american. So, who does that leave? When it comes to racial profiling at airports, it is a MUST. How many terrorists can you find pics of(for proof) that are one of the ethnicities that I mentioned above?I don't know and I don't think you do either. So let me ask you this: how many people do you think get hasseled though being completely innocent? How any people miss their flights for having a certain look? How many people get treated bad and embarrased without doing anything wrong? How many times has this racial profiling led to anything good versus anything bad? Use logic when thinking about these hypothetical questions. Terrorism is insane and no one can really grasp it but the fact of the matter is that the terrorists are a majority and everytime we let them take away bits of freedom by enforcing laws that hit the innocent people the hardest they have won a piece of the battle.So what do you really base your support for racial profiling on? Your skin?I try to put myself in the other peoples shoes. If it was white people that were responsible for the VAST MAJORITY of the problem, then I would understand why I am being inspected more thoroughly than others, and come to expect it, and accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukinx Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 (edited) I try to put myself in the other peoples shoes. If it was white people that were responsible for the VAST MAJORITY of the problem, then I would understand why I am being inspected more thoroughly than others, and come to expect it, and accept it.Well, the big picture is that we don't live in an equal society. So you really have to look at why the people who are in jail are there. White people (especially white men) are on top of the food chain, in case you hadn't noticed. So if you try to put yourself in other peoples shoes, that's where you should start, woth the ones on the bottom.I'm not trying to bash you or anything and I think you're using a good tone (unlike Matt13) in a discussion where we have very different opinions so I hope you take it all the right way. Discussions are good to have Edited December 22, 2006 by Lukinx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vogstar90_G'N'R Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 D'you wear a black armbandWhen they shot the manWho said "Peace could last forever"And in my first memoriesThey shot KennedyI went numb when I learned to seeSo I never fell for VietnamWe got the wall of D.C. to remind us allThat you can't trust freedomWhen it's not in your handsWhen everybody's fightin'For their promised landlove it... and this part is sung so good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnfnr2006 Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 I try to put myself in the other peoples shoes. If it was white people that were responsible for the VAST MAJORITY of the problem, then I would understand why I am being inspected more thoroughly than others, and come to expect it, and accept it.Well, the big picture is that we don't live in an equal society. So you really have to look at why the people who are in jail are there. White people (especially white men) are on top of the food chain, in case you hadn't noticed. So if you try to put yourself in other peoples shoes, that's where you should start, woth the ones on the bottom.I'm not trying to bash you or anything and I think you're using a good tone (unlike Matt13) in a discussion where we have very different opinions so I hope you take it all the right way. Discussions are good to have No if I take offense to it you'll get a , and ill expect the same back, but we are having a civilized discussion. If you look at why people are in jail, most of them are there for commiting a crime. Yes, there alot of black men in jail, and maybe they were selling drugs to feed their family, but the ends dont justify the means. If I am at the bottom of the food chain, then I am going to look for an example of who has come from where I have come from and what they have done to succeed. Unfortunatley, the reason for the HUGE jail population comes from a breakdown in family values. People thinking one person can raise a child. There are no positve male role models, not one to supervise, no one to discipline. The one parent is busy working to make ends meat and most of the time it is the woman, and its hard for a woman to raise a man, especially one in his teenage years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDNGNR Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 I've been walking the streets at nightjust trying to get it righthard to see with so many aroundyou know I don't like being stuck in the crowdand the streets dont change but baby the name (does he say baby or maybe) :/I aint got time for the gameCause I need youYeah Yeah well I need youOh I need youWhoa I need youthis timeI don't think I saw anyone respond, but I have always understood and heard it as MAYBE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukinx Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 If you look at why people are in jail, most of them are there for commiting a crime. Yes, there alot of black men in jail, and maybe they were selling drugs to feed their family, but the ends dont justify the means. If I am at the bottom of the food chain, then I am going to look for an example of who has come from where I have come from and what they have done to succeed. Unfortunatley, the reason for the HUGE jail population comes from a breakdown in family values. People thinking one person can raise a child. There are no positve male role models, not one to supervise, no one to discipline. The one parent is busy working to make ends meat and most of the time it is the woman, and its hard for a woman to raise a man, especially one in his teenage years.I don't think you can sum it up to be that simple. The justice system isn't equal so the "maybe they were selling drugs to feed their family" is a little far fetched and filled with prejudice since people are not always sentenced the same way. If some groups of people don't get the same chances as other groups people of course they must do other things to get by. It's not very human like to stand and take injustice after injustice being dealt your way.As far as being a single parent I think it works and is not something that can be concidered as ageneral facotr for people doing drugs, commiting crimes etc. Also, the thing about male role models. Almost all people have men in their lives in the form of grandparents, brothers, male friends, teachers and so on. There hasn't have to be a man in the house to complete a family. At least not in my opinion. How do you feel about lesbian couples rasing a kid? Or gay couples in genral who adopt and raise children? Is that also a problem to have two parents of the same sex?and the streets dont change but baby the name (does he say baby or maybe) :/I don't think I saw anyone respond, but I have always understood and heard it as MAYBEYeah, it's "maybe". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnfnr2006 Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 I've been walking the streets at nightjust trying to get it righthard to see with so many aroundyou know I don't like being stuck in the crowdand the streets dont change but baby the name (does he say baby or maybe) :/I aint got time for the gameCause I need youYeah Yeah well I need youOh I need youWhoa I need youthis timeI don't think I saw anyone respond, but I have always understood and heard it as MAYBEI hate that so many people love that song, but those end lyrics are fuckn awesome. I can really relate to them.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave10 Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 (edited) Will you guys please shut the fuck up and talk about that in private or some shit and stop spamming this thread with your little pussy whining. We don't give a fuck.Anyways...with lyrics...I've come to know the coldI think of it as homeWhen there ain't enough of me to go aroundI'd rather be left aloneBut if I call you out of habit I'm out of love andI gotta have itWould you give it to me if I fit you needsLike when we both knew we had itBut now the damage's doneAnd we're back out on the runFun how ev'rything was rosesWhen we held on to the gunsJust because you're winnin'Don't mean you're the lucky ones---BreakdownWhen I find out all the reasonsMaybe I'll find another wayFind another dayWith all the changing seasons of my lifeMaybe I'll get it right next timeAn now that you've been broken downGot your head out of the cloudsYou're back down on the groundAnd you don't talk so loudAn you don't walk so proudAny more, and what forWell I jumped into the river too many timesto make it homeI'm out here on my own, an drifting all aloneIf it doesn't show give it timeTo read between the lines'Cause I see the storm getting closerAnd the waves they get so highSeems everything We've ever known's hereWhy must it drift away and dieI'll never find anyone to replace youGuess I'll have to make it thru, this timeOh this timeWithout you---EstrangedEvery lyric to Don't Damn Me and November Rain.Don't ever leave meSay you'll always be thereAll I ever wantedWas for youTo know that I care ---Rocket QueenTake me down to the Paradise CityWhere the grass is green and the girls are pretty---Paradise City(obviously)^^^how could nobody have said that yet?Now I get up around wheneverI used ta get up on timeBut that old man he's a real muthafuckerGonna kick him on down the line---Mr. BrownstoneSO many more, but that would be a waste of time. Guns N' Roses = best lyricists ever(besides 2Pac) Edited December 22, 2006 by Dave10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnfnr2006 Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 (edited) If you look at why people are in jail, most of them are there for commiting a crime. Yes, there alot of black men in jail, and maybe they were selling drugs to feed their family, but the ends dont justify the means. If I am at the bottom of the food chain, then I am going to look for an example of who has come from where I have come from and what they have done to succeed. Unfortunatley, the reason for the HUGE jail population comes from a breakdown in family values. People thinking one person can raise a child. There are no positve male role models, not one to supervise, no one to discipline. The one parent is busy working to make ends meat and most of the time it is the woman, and its hard for a woman to raise a man, especially one in his teenage years.I don't think you can sum it up to be that simple. The justice system isn't equal so the "maybe they were selling drugs to feed their family" is a little far fetched and filled with prejudice since people are not always sentenced the same way. If some groups of people don't get the same chances as other groups people of course they must do other things to get by. It's not very human like to stand and take injustice after injustice being dealt your way.As far as being a single parent I think it works and is not something that can be concidered as ageneral facotr for people doing drugs, commiting crimes etc. Also, the thing about male role models. Almost all people have men in their lives in the form of grandparents, brothers, male friends, teachers and so on. There hasn't have to be a man in the house to complete a family. At least not in my opinion. How do you feel about lesbian couples rasing a kid? Or gay couples in genral who adopt and raise children? Is that also a problem to have two parents of the same sex?and the streets dont change but baby the name (does he say baby or maybe) :/I don't think I saw anyone respond, but I have always understood and heard it as MAYBEYeah, it's "maybe". Im not going to get into the deep subject of gay parents, etc. But, when it comes to FACT that there are more black men of college age in prison, then in college, it comes back to the upbringing. MOST of the time there is one parent, so there is little of no supervision. The role models are the rappers they listen to talkking about killing people, and selling drugs. The older guys who arent in prison are in gangs and selling drugs, etc. Since there is only one parent, and they are at work, or smoking crack with wellfare money, there is no one there to tell them whats right and wrong. When you are SURROUNDED by something, it will eventually change you, one way or another. Again, Im not trying to be a know it all or an ass hole or tell you that you dont know what you are talking about, but you dont !!I have lived in the city. I have been the ONLY white resident in an all black apartment complex and a all mexican complex, with no english speakers. I have lived the gang members and BIG drug dealers. I have been there, as well as in jail for participating. Why, cause I had one parent around so I spend most of my time with my peers. They taugh me what was right and wrong, in the street. And Imad bad choices.I am one of the lucky ones whos one parent still did everything they could to keep me out of trouble, which most dont have, and eventually i made it through and out. When you talk about unfair justice system, you are right. I live here and have seen it PERSONALLY. Murderers and Rapists getting shorter sentences then someone is possesion of drugs. The inequality of the whole system has nothing to do with the choices that people make for their day to day life, and ultimatley their future. But again, I have been there and I am speaking from experience, not from what I read or saw on TV or what someone told me. Edited December 22, 2006 by gnfnr2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave10 Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 Please stop wasting your time and stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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