Help me on Two Robin Finck and GnR issues

[Patience 4 Axl]

Pat-4-Axl . . . . wow. Pretty judgemental of you girl!!!! I'm not sure I would make the statements about other people's lives and careers you are . . . without actually personally knowing them.

Maybe you are correct. Maybe you have inside information the rest of us don't have!

Robin did nothing? Really, you know that? You talked to him? Maybe he's spent the last four years dedicating his life to the songs that the new GnR has put together? Maybe he's spent 10 hours a day, for the last four years, PRACTICING and improving his craft? Maybe he's been writing songs, lyrics, licks. Maybe Axl gave him the "rumored" 80-90 songs and said "Here you go. Partial parts to 85 songs - what can you come up with?"

And how do YOU know that he isn't being offered soundtracks and to work with other artists?? Just because Slash will play at a Taco Bell opening, doesn't mean that all other guitarists do the same thing. Maybe Robin has turned down offers, so he can devote 100% of his energy to Axl?

Course - Robin isn't your beloved Slash - so obviously he must just be sitting around jerking off to internet porn and playing Xbox360.

Course . . . . I could be wrong. Maybe YOU are friends with the members of both bands and know what goes on in their spare time.

Apollo dear, where am I being judgemental?? What I stated was not about what these guys are doing with their personal lives, it is about what they are doing with their careers. I don't need to be personally acquainted with them to know what they have done as musicians for the last 4 years. If Robin was involved in *anything* it would have been known and posted here, even if it was just an offer to participate in something. Information like this is readily available on the net, even if it's just rumors. We did hear one piece of news about Robin during that time if I remember correctly..... he couldn't pay the mortgage on his house. We can get THAT kind of information (even if it may be false), but nothing about offers to do other work as a musician? OK. You want to assume he was practicing his craft 10 hours a day, lol? And he still can't get that NR solo right, but I agree, he has somewhat improved since the last tour. Imagine what he would sound like if he practiced for 15 hours a day!

Perhaps he was working on 80 songs at that time. So far we only know of one "Robin" song. If Axl had to introduce all the songs on the Chinese Democracy tour that way, we would have heard Slash's name about 12 times, as opossed to the present lead guitarist who has, acoording to you, been working so tirelessly on this album just once.

All I can say is, come March, maybe we will finally get to hear what Robin's loyalty sounds like.

? Or maybe, just maybe, there are no other opportunities available to him. You think they're banging on his door asking him to perform Jimi Hendrix classics, lend his talent on a movie soundtrack or collaborate on other artists projects? Isn't that what musicians do...make music?

Didn't he and Bucket play on Ghosts of Mars soundtrack - Love seige?

Edit:

Ghosts of Mars IMDB

Yup, they're on the list.

Thanks , but that was in '01. I was referring to the time from '02 to '06.

[Axingn'r]

Great post P4A !

[Guest Apollo]

My dear,

Assuming that Robin has done nothing for the past four years because of a couple things you've read on the Internet . . . . . well, that's just silly!!! You can also - on the internet - find pictures of midget women blowing german sheppards, websites devoted to Paris Hilton, people that truly believe the earth is infested with Aliens right now. Hell, once as a gag on this forum, I posted that Axl was singing on Pink's new album dueting on the song Total Eclipse Of The Heart and people believed it!!!!!

Sometimes I think that people forget that our favorite musicians (as well as athletes, celebs, etc) are real people, just like you and I. We only see their public performances and forget that they do all the same things we do on a daily basis. To assume that Robin hasn't done anything, because we haven't gotten daily reports on his every move on Mygrn.com is ridiculous. You know that.

Kind of like people saying that Axl didn't do anything for a ten year period.

he's a HUMAN being!!! Maybe for those ten years, he was out enjoying life! Doing all the things that he dreamed of doing as a child. But because we didn't see him public places and he didn't release a CD, everybody starts coming up with wild stories that he's lost his mind, he's spent years meditating with indian doctors in the desert, etc, etc, etc.

MAYBE he was writing music, having friends over for kick-ass parties, traveling the world, maybe he spent a year in the jungle living with a tribe, maybe he had hookers over and had massive drunken orgies every night.

The point is . . . . WE DONT KNOW.

I like you, and it just annoys me that you assume the worst in these guys! You assume Robin hasn't done anything during that period - whereas I assume that he's like most normal people and he spent those four years doing what HE WANTED to do!!!!

Like your comment about Better being a Robin song. WE only know this because ONE time Axl mentioned that it was a "robin song." THAT doesn't mean that it's the ONLY ONE. Why would you assume that? Do we really want Axl to give us a full length description on every song that he does live? Axl makes ONE statement about ONE song - and you take that to mean that it's the ONLY robin song!

If somebody asks me if I like Pizza and I say "hell yes" . . . it doesn't mean that pizza is the ONLY food I eat.

Your smarter than this!!!!!!

P.S.

I like Robin's solos!

Course, I don't have my head shoved so far up Slash's ass that I think nobody will ever compare to him . . . . like a lot of posters on here do. (Not you - but a lot of people do).

[moreblack]

Course, I don't have my head shoved so far up Slash's ass that I think nobody will ever compare to him . . . . like a lot of posters on here do. (Not you - but a lot of people do).

Course, we'll never read a post from you where you don't have a dig at the former members or their fans.

Ever occur to you there's a reason they are so admired and respected?

[blackvelvet]

1. Some people say that Finck and the rest of the band has shown loyalty by sticking with Axl for so long, without an album coming out. BUT, some people are criticizing them for doing the same thing - saying a true artist would have left by now, a true artist wouldn't wait around. So which is it???? Do we reward Finck for his loyality??? Or is it a bad thing that he's been loyal and willing to stick with Axl?

Did Robin stick with Axl by choice, or by default?

Dizzy at least kept himself busy with HnB, Tommy put out a solo album and toured, Fortus was busy making a baby and Brain ran a drum clinic and made an appearance on The Apprentice. Even Axl did Grand Theft Auto. Where was Robin? Sitting at home being loyal? Or maybe, just maybe, there are no other opportunities available to him. You think they're banging on his door asking him to perform Jimi Hendrix classics, lend his talent on a movie soundtrack or collaborate on other artists projects? Isn't that what musicians do...make music? Robin did nothing for 4 years and you equate that to being loyal? Does that mean Tommy, Dizzy aren't loyal? None of these side projects were even a blip on the radar screen. None of them come close to performing under the GnR name in front of 20,000 people at MSG. They can only do that with Axl. If you want to consider that loyalty, then so be it. It sounds more like reality to me.

And the bitter bitch strikes again!

Ok you obviously havent been doing your research - Robin has completed numerous projects in between gnr commitments.

He's written and co-directed 3 shows "My Birthday Party"

He has been touring with Led Zerail - an act that is Aerial Dance blended with Led Zepplin music.

Hes also a professional photographer and artist.

He took part in the development of Burning Man. - www.burningman.com

Why dont you get the fuck off his back. YOu havent even met the guy and you pre judge him. Get a life.

[Kill_YourIdols]

1. Some people say that Finck and the rest of the band has shown loyalty by sticking with Axl for so long, without an album coming out. BUT, some people are criticizing them for doing the same thing - saying a true artist would have left by now, a true artist wouldn't wait around. So which is it???? Do we reward Finck for his loyality??? Or is it a bad thing that he's been loyal and willing to stick with Axl?

Did Robin stick with Axl by choice, or by default?

Dizzy at least kept himself busy with HnB, Tommy put out a solo album and toured, Fortus was busy making a baby and Brain ran a drum clinic and made an appearance on The Apprentice. Even Axl did Grand Theft Auto. Where was Robin? Sitting at home being loyal? Or maybe, just maybe, there are no other opportunities available to him. You think they're banging on his door asking him to perform Jimi Hendrix classics, lend his talent on a movie soundtrack or collaborate on other artists projects? Isn't that what musicians do...make music? Robin did nothing for 4 years and you equate that to being loyal? Does that mean Tommy, Dizzy aren't loyal? None of these side projects were even a blip on the radar screen. None of them come close to performing under the GnR name in front of 20,000 people at MSG. They can only do that with Axl. If you want to consider that loyalty, then so be it. It sounds more like reality to me.

And the bitter bitch strikes again!

Ok you obviously havent been doing your research - Robin has completed numerous projects in between gnr commitments.

He's written and co-directed 3 shows "My Birthday Party"

He has been touring with Led Zerail - an act that is Aerial Dance blended with Led Zepplin music.

Hes also a professional photographer and artist.

He took part in the development of Burning Man. - www.burningman.com

Why dont you get the fuck off his back. YOu havent even met the guy and you pre judge him. Get a life.

ouch that had to hurt

[SterileEyes]

Slash is Scottie Pippen to Axl's Michael Jordan.

Um, more like Slash is Shaq to Axl's Kobe or vice versa.

Sorry, Slash is as recognizeable as Axl...if not more since he hasn't completely rearranged his face.

No disrespect to Axl and his new band (which you should know I enjoy), but discrediting Slash is just weak.

It's true that as of now he's just a great guitarist in a mediocre band, but in Guns N' Roses of old, he was very much an equal in terms of writing, stage presence and public rock star personality.

If he was just some guitar player, it wouldn't have taken them years and years (4 years after he left) to perform live again. Six years after he left for an actual tour.

[Revolver]

Look, we all understand that your in love with Slash and dislike anything associated with the new GnR. That's fine. Feel free to live in the past.

I realize that most of your comments are meant to amuse us or to be humorous. But sometimes they get a little ridiculous.

"Club shows with bands no ones ever heard of" . . . . .

Hhhhm, current band members have played in:

Primus

Nine Inch Nails

The Replacements

Psychadelic Furs

Tool

And ya, DIZZY even appeared on It's Five O'Clock Somewhere by Slash's Snakepit!!!!

So sir, I wouldn't brag that those are bands that YOU HAVE never heard of. Because if you haven't, you just lost any music credibility that you may have had on the forum!!!

Also Robin didn't write anything for NIN so that doesn't really count.

So you take out those two bands and the rest are yes, playing clubs and are low-mid acts at festivals.

I hope you know how stupid you just sounded.

DiD Gilby record anything with GN'R? no....would you call him a member of GN'R? yes.

enough said

sorry to take you off that high stair you're standin' on right now mr. Egg man (for those who know what I mean by that... cool) but you just sounded a bit stupid yourself, you just asked if Gilby recorded anything with GN'R, does the name "The Spaghetti Incident?" make any sense at all to you? Gilby DID record something with GN'R, and yeah, The Spaghetti Incident album... sure it's a cover album, but he did record something with them so yeah, I'd concider him a member.

YES I concider Robin Finck as a NIN member as well, don't know if he recorded anything or wrote anything for the band, really hate NIN for the matter so just to remind you, Gilby recorded Spaghetti with 'em

[Guest Apollo]

Slash is Scottie Pippen to Axl's Michael Jordan.

Um, more like Slash is Shaq to Axl's Kobe or vice versa.

Sorry, Slash is as recognizeable as Axl...if not more since he hasn't completely rearranged his face.

No disrespect to Axl and his new band (which you should know I enjoy), but discrediting Slash is just weak.

It's true that as of now he's just a great guitarist in a mediocre band, but in Guns N' Roses of old, he was very much an equal in terms of writing, stage presence and public rock star personality.

If he was just some guitar player, it wouldn't have taken them years and years (4 years after he left) to perform live again. Six years after he left for an actual tour.

Good point . . . . . BUT a little off my friend!

Shack went on to win an NBA championship without Kobe!!!! I wouldn't call Velvet Revolver's Contraband NBA championship material!

Being a Scottie Pippen isn't anything to sneeze about!!! I believe Pippen was named as one of the greatest 50 nba players of all time a few years back! He's a lock for the hall of fame.

If your point was that if Kobe/Shack had stayed together, they probably would have won 3-4 more NBA championships - then you are correct!!!!

I think my analogy was better, as Jordan nor Pippen ever reached the same success again, as they did together. Though, Jordan continued to be one of the best players in NBA history.

I think some people don't understand my true feelings towards SLash/Duff.

I think both guys are amazing. I'd love for Axl to be recording with them.

I just personally though Snakepit and Velvet Revolver music was average rock at best. Nothing off of Contraband does anything for me. I listened to it maybe 10 times and haven't touched it since. I think they picked a limited singer, and that's probably why I dislike VR so much.

Meanwhile, I could listen to Better and CITR and The Blues every day and never grow bored!!!!

[Dead Flower]

Whereas I think anyone who prefers Catcher In The Rye over You Got No Right is a bit touched in the head.

To each their own.

[F*ck Fear]

Slash is Scottie Pippen to Axl's Michael Jordan.

Um, more like Slash is Shaq to Axl's Kobe or vice versa.

Sorry, Slash is as recognizeable as Axl...if not more since he hasn't completely rearranged his face.

No disrespect to Axl and his new band (which you should know I enjoy), but discrediting Slash is just weak.

It's true that as of now he's just a great guitarist in a mediocre band, but in Guns N' Roses of old, he was very much an equal in terms of writing, stage presence and public rock star personality.

If he was just some guitar player, it wouldn't have taken them years and years (4 years after he left) to perform live again. Six years after he left for an actual tour.

No disrespect? HA!

Whereas I think anyone who prefers Catcher In The Rye over You Got No Right is a bit touched in the head.

To each their own.

I perfer Catcher over You Got No Right. I guess I'm touched. But I will admit that I perfer Loving The Alien to Catcher.

Point is, everyone has their own fucking opinions.

[Anti]

Slash is Scottie Pippen to Axl's Michael Jordan.

Um, more like Slash is Shaq to Axl's Kobe or vice versa.

Sorry, Slash is as recognizeable as Axl...if not more since he hasn't completely rearranged his face.

Slash got more famous after performing with Michael Jackson. But seriously, if Slash got a haircut, I don't anybody would recognize him or care about his music anymore.

As Izzy nicely put it, "Slash is about money and fame."

[Kill_YourIdols]

Slash is Scottie Pippen to Axl's Michael Jordan.

Um, more like Slash is Shaq to Axl's Kobe or vice versa.

Sorry, Slash is as recognizeable as Axl...if not more since he hasn't completely rearranged his face.

Slash got more famous after performing with Michael Jackson. But seriously, if Slash got a haircut, I don't anybody would recognize him or care about his music anymore.

As Izzy nicely put it, "Slash is about money and fame."

you are one stupid dumbass and izzy didn't said that

[Anti]

Whereas I think anyone who prefers Catcher In The Rye over You Got No Right is a bit touched in the head.

'You Go No Right' is Slash's poor attempt at trying to write an alternative rock type ballad, ie. something STP would write. And it sounds just as good as how he performs "Sex-Type Thing" - which is SHIT. Just another proof that Slash has no range in his abilities.

[Kill_YourIdols]

'You Go No Right' is Slash's poor attempt at trying to write an alternative rock type ballad, ie. something STP would write. And it sounds just as good as how he performs "Sex-Type Thing" - which is SHIT. Just another proof that Slash has no range in his abilities.

i really hope you die

[Anti]

These new guys you love so much? mark my words, they will be nothing without Axl or the GNR name.

Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Look what happened to Slash, Duff, Mat, Gilby, and even Izzy. They all become nothing's without Axl. Well, Slash got to go to Micheal Jackson's kiddie ranch, so that must account for something.

[Kill_YourIdols]

die die die!!!!!!!

[Caught in the Rye]

die die die!!!!!!!

What are you, 12 years old?

[Kill_YourIdols]

die die die!!!!!!!

What are you, 12 years old?

not really it just makes angry what this guy is saying

[ohyesindeed]

so, let's save basketball analogies for the chili peppers board......

bottom line:

none of us hang out with or know any member of the band to accurately project what the fuck is really up.

but, if i may participate in this speculation game:

robin is obviously pretty useless on his own. if this wasnt true he would have made his own record. not putting him down, just stating what appears to be a "fact". now, why does he stay with gnr? well, one has to think he actually likes what he's doing, considering the fact that he had a pretty cushy gig with NIN prior to gnr. in his case, i imagine he has a lot of creativity invested in this project and it is his duty to see it to fruition. also, he gets paid a fuckload. i imagine he gets a check every month just for being in the band, and if they're on tour, he gets more.....i dunno how much, but it's more than i make.

i think stinson, behind axl and finck, has a lot of creativity invested as well. also, let's remember that the replacements were never huge. they could have/should have been, but they never really broke. they were like the ramones of the 80s: they influenced everyone, but only their followers cashed in. gnr is the only arena-ready, cash flowin' project he's been in, and he seems so happy and appreciative just to be doing something at this level.

dizzy is a touring keyboardist/session guy.

don't know much about pittman or fortus (other than the fact that he's the best guitarist on stage!)

as far as the drummers go:

if you're a good drummer and you're smart, you go where the money is. when you've been around as long as brain or ferrer, you come to undertand that you have to treat being a drummer the same way everyone else treats drummers in general.....thus, you dont pick up the sticks in someone else's project without a check. singers/songwriters/non-drummers generally view the drummer as an easily replaced commodity, so you better fuckin understand that and make sure you get paid....

[Patience 4 Axl]

And the bitter bitch strikes again!

Ok you obviously havent been doing your research - Robin has completed numerous projects in between gnr commitments.

He's written and co-directed 3 shows "My Birthday Party"

He has been touring with Led Zerail - an act that is Aerial Dance blended with Led Zepplin music.

Hes also a professional photographer and artist.

He took part in the development of Burning Man. - www.burningman.com

Impressive!

Looks like you just can't take the circus out of the boy! Hey, I think it's great that Robin was able to cram all this stuff into 4 years, in between not shaving or getting his haircut, and of course working on Chinese Democracy. So on the one hand you have Robin taking photographs of scotch tape, on the other, you have Slash performing at the Grammys with Bono and Steven Tyler for the tsunami victims and playing a Jimi Hendrix tribute at the UK Hall of Fame. I am by no means being judgemental here, I'm just stating facts.

As far as doing my research, I actually did take a few minutes to look up ALL of these Robin "projects", and sorry but I don't consider some banned chick from Jim Bob's forum as a reliable source. And can I just add that the Burning Man is some weird fucking shit, and surprisingly I still didn't see Robin's name affiliated with it.

Why dont you get the fuck off his back. YOu havent even met the guy and you pre judge him. Get a life.

Ironic. You don't know me either, yet you can judge me as a bitter bitch? I'll only give you partial credit on this one becaue you got the "bitter" part wrong.

Edited December 29, 2006 by Patience 4 Axl

[blackvelvet]

Iam judging you because of the biased judgements you make all the time on someone you dont even know. I think you deserve in turn to be put in the spotlight - especially because Robin in his whole career has never talked negatively about anyone. YOU bit first ok?

He does his own thing. But just because its not recording on a million mediocre albums or playing at the grammys - your little narrow mind cant seem to handle it - so you just write it off as 'circus shit'. If you had a creative bone in your body you would realise that not all 'art' comes from one type of medium and you would also understand that the stuff Robin has produced over the years - the stage productions, photography etc - are pretty damn good. Go look on Robins website for crisssake. Open your mind and do the world a favor and educate yourself. Or are you one of those people who needs a users manuel for everything in life?

And it makes you look like a bit of a loser when you criticise someone elses actions, for getting out there so people can hear music while your sitting on your fat ass behind a computer.

Edited December 29, 2006 by blackvelvet

[Guest Apollo]

Course, I don't have my head shoved so far up Slash's ass that I think nobody will ever compare to him . . . . like a lot of posters on here do. (Not you - but a lot of people do).

Course, we'll never read a post from you where you don't have a dig at the former members or their fans.

Ever occur to you there's a reason they are so admired and respected?

Well sir, as long as they choose to perform with Scott Weidland and put out average rock songs . . . . ya, I'll probably have complaints.

I guess I just expected SOOOOO much more from Slash/Duff than you did.

Your happy with Velvet Revolver. And that's great. I'm glad you have a band you love. Music rules - regardless of what kind, type or quality . . . it's awesome to have bands that you love. Hell, I'm sure I dig a lot of bands that you think suck. Right now my playlist has everything from Journey, to Megadeth, to old and new GnR, to Prince to Dangerous Toys, to Tora Tora, to Willie Nelson and Buddy Holly.

Personally, I just thought that Slash/Duff and Sorum would end up starting a rock band that would kick fucking ass. Unfortunately, we didn't. And that dissapoints me. Your happy with their output - I'm not. I thought and fully expected that they would have done soooo much Better.

[Patience 4 Axl]

Iam judging you because of the biased judgements you make all the time on someone you dont even know. I think you deserve in turn to be put in the spotlight - especially because Robin in his whole career has never talked negatively about anyone. YOU bit first ok?

He does his own thing. But just because its not recording on a million mediocre albums or playing at the grammys - your little narrow mind cant seem to handle it - so you just write it off as 'circus shit'. If you had a creative bone in your body you would realise that not all 'art' comes from one type of medium and you would also understand that the stuff Robin has produced over the years - the stage productions, photography etc - are pretty damn good. Go look on Robins website for crisssake. Open your mind and do the world a favor and educate yourself. Or are you one of those people who needs a users manuel for everything in life?

And it makes you look like a bit of a loser when you criticise someone elses actions, for getting out there so people can hear music while your sitting on your fat ass behind a computer.

Unfortunately you again feel the need for personal attacks on someone you don't know, to defend someone you don't know! The fact that you try and justify your points in this way oozes with irony, and though delusional, I still find it slightly amusing.

You see, the difference is I CAN form an opinion about Robin's body of "work" based on the premise that he has put it out there for all to see. I don't attack Robin the person, I comment on Robin the artist. It has nothing to do with opening up my mind. I have a strong appreciation for many things, art and music are just some of these interests. Unlike you however, I obviously have a higher standard as to what earns my respect and what I find impressive. Your posts and Robin are not on the list.

The fact that you continue to put me in the "spotlight" as you say, out of all the posters on this forum is both flattering and creepy, yet you call ME the loser. BRILLIANT!