ffrankwhite Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 and ten sucks.ok, maybe crap is a harsh indictment but...i dunno, i find it lyrically a little too...pretencious?? a dilute version of pretencious maybe, somewhere lower on the pretencious totem pole than out and out pretencious?Like affected? It's not my favorite by them by a long shot, but I'm not sure I agree with that.1. Nevermind2. UYI I3. Ten4. UYI II5. The Black Album(I refuse to consider the UYI's one record for any purpose)only really remember Ten well and it just has the most trite lyrics. i've always maintained that the absolute best of rock n roll lyrics only really amount to very cheap third rate attempts at poetry and i've always thought that the best rock lyricists have been the people who have understood that and consequently made fun of songwriting to some degree (a'la Kurt Cobain or John Lennon) and oftentimes (though by no means always) allowed music to take the lead. and rock lyricists that make an effort to write good lyrics more often than not come off REALLY badly, really pretencious and just...stale. example:Son, she said, have I got a little story for youWhat you thought was your daddy was nothin' but a...While you were sittin' home alone at age thirteenYour real daddy was dyin', sorry you didn't see him, but I'm glad we talked...Oh I, oh, I'm still aliveHey, I, I, oh, I'm still aliveHey I, oh, I'm still alivesee now that to me is really really REALLY corny , really 3rd rate.I always considered Ten to have some of the best lyrics I've ever heard, when I discovered Ten I was looking for something new, something with: Great lyrics, great instrumentals, great vocals. And I found all 3 things on that album, when I hear those specific lyrics I think "Fuck, that really happened to that guy", the raw emotion of that song alone is enough to make me appreciate it, but Alive is just a rock masterpiece, with it's infectious chorus, sweeping riffs and rampant solo it seems to me like a very unique and fresh song.come on man, you know better than that!! its a well aimed heartstring puller and i hate those. i'd rather someone just present me with a series of images and let my sensibilities piece them together into whatever emotion they proliferate. that there is a wretchedly obvious attempt where concious or unconcious of currying sympathy and as a performer you should have more respect than to spoonfeed a listener like that. having said that, maybe the artists i listen to are vague and pretencious, i dunno, could be either, damned if i know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pain cake Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 and ten sucks.ok, maybe crap is a harsh indictment but...i dunno, i find it lyrically a little too...pretencious?? a dilute version of pretencious maybe, somewhere lower on the pretencious totem pole than out and out pretencious?Like affected? It's not my favorite by them by a long shot, but I'm not sure I agree with that.1. Nevermind2. UYI I3. Ten4. UYI II5. The Black Album(I refuse to consider the UYI's one record for any purpose)only really remember Ten well and it just has the most trite lyrics. i've always maintained that the absolute best of rock n roll lyrics only really amount to very cheap third rate attempts at poetry and i've always thought that the best rock lyricists have been the people who have understood that and consequently made fun of songwriting to some degree (a'la Kurt Cobain or John Lennon) and oftentimes (though by no means always) allowed music to take the lead. and rock lyricists that make an effort to write good lyrics more often than not come off REALLY badly, really pretencious and just...stale. example:Son, she said, have I got a little story for youWhat you thought was your daddy was nothin' but a...While you were sittin' home alone at age thirteenYour real daddy was dyin', sorry you didn't see him, but I'm glad we talked...Oh I, oh, I'm still aliveHey, I, I, oh, I'm still aliveHey I, oh, I'm still alivesee now that to me is really really REALLY corny , really 3rd rate.I always considered Ten to have some of the best lyrics I've ever heard, when I discovered Ten I was looking for something new, something with: Great lyrics, great instrumentals, great vocals. And I found all 3 things on that album, when I hear those specific lyrics I think "Fuck, that really happened to that guy", the raw emotion of that song alone is enough to make me appreciate it, but Alive is just a rock masterpiece, with it's infectious chorus, sweeping riffs and rampant solo it seems to me like a very unique and fresh song.come on man, you know better than that!! its a well aimed heartstring puller and i hate those. i'd rather someone just present me with a series of images and let my sensibilities piece them together into whatever emotion they proliferate. that there is a wretchedly obvious attempt where concious or unconcious of currying sympathy and as a performer you should have more respect than to spoonfeed a listener like that. having said that, maybe the artists i listen to are vague and pretencious, i dunno, could be either, damned if i know.Vedder's lyrics on Ten are how I think lyrics should be written, out of real life experience and emotion, mostly because that's how I write lyrics, I don't write about vague concepts or lyrics that are to be interpreted by the listener, I write about what gets my emotions flowing just as Vedder did. Alive is a heartstring puller because it's about a tragic life, I could not pick a more suitable subject for a song than life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffrankwhite Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 and ten sucks.ok, maybe crap is a harsh indictment but...i dunno, i find it lyrically a little too...pretencious?? a dilute version of pretencious maybe, somewhere lower on the pretencious totem pole than out and out pretencious?Like affected? It's not my favorite by them by a long shot, but I'm not sure I agree with that.1. Nevermind2. UYI I3. Ten4. UYI II5. The Black Album(I refuse to consider the UYI's one record for any purpose)only really remember Ten well and it just has the most trite lyrics. i've always maintained that the absolute best of rock n roll lyrics only really amount to very cheap third rate attempts at poetry and i've always thought that the best rock lyricists have been the people who have understood that and consequently made fun of songwriting to some degree (a'la Kurt Cobain or John Lennon) and oftentimes (though by no means always) allowed music to take the lead. and rock lyricists that make an effort to write good lyrics more often than not come off REALLY badly, really pretencious and just...stale. example:Son, she said, have I got a little story for youWhat you thought was your daddy was nothin' but a...While you were sittin' home alone at age thirteenYour real daddy was dyin', sorry you didn't see him, but I'm glad we talked...Oh I, oh, I'm still aliveHey, I, I, oh, I'm still aliveHey I, oh, I'm still alivesee now that to me is really really REALLY corny , really 3rd rate.I always considered Ten to have some of the best lyrics I've ever heard, when I discovered Ten I was looking for something new, something with: Great lyrics, great instrumentals, great vocals. And I found all 3 things on that album, when I hear those specific lyrics I think "Fuck, that really happened to that guy", the raw emotion of that song alone is enough to make me appreciate it, but Alive is just a rock masterpiece, with it's infectious chorus, sweeping riffs and rampant solo it seems to me like a very unique and fresh song.come on man, you know better than that!! its a well aimed heartstring puller and i hate those. i'd rather someone just present me with a series of images and let my sensibilities piece them together into whatever emotion they proliferate. that there is a wretchedly obvious attempt where concious or unconcious of currying sympathy and as a performer you should have more respect than to spoonfeed a listener like that. having said that, maybe the artists i listen to are vague and pretencious, i dunno, could be either, damned if i know.Vedder's lyrics on Ten are how I think lyrics should be written, out of real life experience and emotion, mostly because that's how I write lyrics, I don't write about vague concepts or lyrics that are to be interpreted by the listener, I write about what gets my emotions flowing just as Vedder did. Alive is a heartstring puller because it's about a tragic life, I could not pick a more suitable subject for a song than life.ok look, Something In The Way is based on real life experience and emotion and gets emotions flowing but it doesnt have to be like...i dunno i figure a writer with talent doesnt always need to bash you over the head with his subject matter. Axl is guilty of this too actually. i like a lot of plain speaking music too i just dont think Vedder pulls it off very well at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pain cake Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 ok look, Something In The Way is based on real life experienceI always thought that song was just crap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffrankwhite Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 ok look, Something In The Way is based on real life experienceI always thought that song was just crap i think its as close to perfect as you can get without being 5'11 with long blonde hair, tig ol' bitties and and a cooch tight as a snare drum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pain cake Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 ok look, Something In The Way is based on real life experienceI always thought that song was just crap i think its as close to perfect as you can get without being 5'11 with long blonde hair, tig ol' bitties and and a cooch tight as a snare drum Alright fair enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DopeSickGirl Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 I love Something In The Way! 'Its ok to eat fish, coz they don't have any feelings.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelica Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 and ten sucks.ok, maybe crap is a harsh indictment but...i dunno, i find it lyrically a little too...pretencious?? a dilute version of pretencious maybe, somewhere lower on the pretencious totem pole than out and out pretencious?Like affected? It's not my favorite by them by a long shot, but I'm not sure I agree with that.1. Nevermind2. UYI I3. Ten4. UYI II5. The Black Album(I refuse to consider the UYI's one record for any purpose)only really remember Ten well and it just has the most trite lyrics. i've always maintained that the absolute best of rock n roll lyrics only really amount to very cheap third rate attempts at poetry and i've always thought that the best rock lyricists have been the people who have understood that and consequently made fun of songwriting to some degree (a'la Kurt Cobain or John Lennon) and oftentimes (though by no means always) allowed music to take the lead. and rock lyricists that make an effort to write good lyrics more often than not come off REALLY badly, really pretencious and just...stale. example:Son, she said, have I got a little story for youWhat you thought was your daddy was nothin' but a...While you were sittin' home alone at age thirteenYour real daddy was dyin', sorry you didn't see him, but I'm glad we talked...Oh I, oh, I'm still aliveHey, I, I, oh, I'm still aliveHey I, oh, I'm still alivesee now that to me is really really REALLY corny , really 3rd rate.That to me is a stripped down confessional (those are facts from his life). He sometimes has a problem with earnestness, but overall, he's one of the better lyricists of modern music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffrankwhite Posted August 2, 2007 Share Posted August 2, 2007 and ten sucks.ok, maybe crap is a harsh indictment but...i dunno, i find it lyrically a little too...pretencious?? a dilute version of pretencious maybe, somewhere lower on the pretencious totem pole than out and out pretencious?Like affected? It's not my favorite by them by a long shot, but I'm not sure I agree with that.1. Nevermind2. UYI I3. Ten4. UYI II5. The Black Album(I refuse to consider the UYI's one record for any purpose)only really remember Ten well and it just has the most trite lyrics. i've always maintained that the absolute best of rock n roll lyrics only really amount to very cheap third rate attempts at poetry and i've always thought that the best rock lyricists have been the people who have understood that and consequently made fun of songwriting to some degree (a'la Kurt Cobain or John Lennon) and oftentimes (though by no means always) allowed music to take the lead. and rock lyricists that make an effort to write good lyrics more often than not come off REALLY badly, really pretencious and just...stale. example:Son, she said, have I got a little story for youWhat you thought was your daddy was nothin' but a...While you were sittin' home alone at age thirteenYour real daddy was dyin', sorry you didn't see him, but I'm glad we talked...Oh I, oh, I'm still aliveHey, I, I, oh, I'm still aliveHey I, oh, I'm still alivesee now that to me is really really REALLY corny , really 3rd rate.That to me is a stripped down confessional (those are facts from his life). He sometimes has a problem with earnestness, but overall, he's one of the better lyricists of modern music.i guess its just a matter of taste, there is the argument that the kind of songwriting i like is really self aware too, i think its an act of design and therefore its all pretty self aware, im just pickin peanuts out of poop really. i just...i dunno, in reference to the particular vedder quote, sounds like a million other songs i've heard lyrically, i just like things to be a little different, holds my attention better i guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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