Inprovinoff

I don't know, I swear there are parts missing from this leak. We might be judging something that has been doctored and isn't complete. Can anyone who has legit heard this before it leaked confirm this is how they heard it?

Such potential! I'm starting to wonder though if this is correct order of how the song is arranged. The edits are too crude to be professional and the way it jumps makes me think sections have been moved or removed prior to the leak. It wouldn't surprise me if the actual song, if ever released, is longer and there are missing parts are being withheld by the leakers.

3 minutes ago, sl4yer said:

It's such a crime you know its trUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUEeee.
However althought I am pretty sure it's the same vocal track, it's mixed differently, on album it sounds awful, in this leak pretty cool.
But in terms of vocals nothing come close to live version from 2010

These vocals do not suffer from the autotune the released versions were treated with, way more natural.

Ali,

You never actually make a defining statement about Axl's actions - so I apologize for putting words in your mouth. And don't be so defensive, like I've told you, I admire your ability to paint a positive spin on EVERYTHING Axl does.

So just for the record, and a simple yes or no will suffice.

Do you think it was a positive thing for Axl to delay the start of GnR shows for 2-3 hours?

Do you think it was rude and disrespectful to his bandmates, band's crew and fans for Axl to start shows 2-3 hours late?

Would it bother you to go to a GnR show in 2014 and have the opening band finish at 10 pm and Axl/Gnr not go onstage until 12:30?

Defining statement? Sounds more like condemnation. Getting up on my soapbox and doing the latter does nothing for me.

If Axl ever delays a show 2-3 hours, it's never a positive thing. Never said otherwise.

Sure, it's rude and disrespectful if you start a show 2-3 hours late.

No, it doesn't or wouldn't bother me. At this point, I'd plan for it like I have recently.

Groghan,

Your schtick is getting very old and tired. Please consider a change in tactic as your tone seems very immature for a grown adult.

. . . I admire your ability to paint a positive spin on EVERYTHING Axl does.

I find this quote quite ironic because that's exactly what you do, only in a very negative, combative, and toxic way. You have a magical way of creating negativity from someone's opinion that wasn't even implied in the first place, then bust out straw-man arguments in the form of essays creating further dissension. Please stop trying to be the father figure to this forum. We don't need your guidance and we definitely don't need to be corrected all the time in order to see things the way you wish us to. I used to respect you as a poster, now i just wish you would let opinions be opinions and quit turning everything in a negative direction. And really, for a grown adult, you really need to stop stalking certain posters and picking on them aggressively in every thread they post in, be the better man.

Not really in my character to make posts such as these, but I had to get that off my chest.

Inprovinoff may have just won the internet.

Ali

Thank you for finally answering an Axl question that wasn't 100% Axl worship. It's a glorious day on the forum

Just a quick follow up. How would you prepare for a three hour delay today?

And lol at you congratulating Inprov.........whoever that is.

A bit hypocritical, as the only two posts I've ever seen her post in she has insulted me and made personal attacks against me - and neither post had ANYTHING to do with the actual topic.

And no, Inprov, you've obviously not followed my posting history on the forum, as the main part (or the only part that is really important) of your post is false. I praise Axl and GnR all the time. Saying that Axl is the best rock singer of my generation........saying that CD is the best rock album of the last decade.......saying that I think this current band could produce an amazing album .............ya, I can see how you would think those are negative statements. When I do make negative statements 99% of the time it's in response to somebody else throwing out an insult, or them blindly praising Axl for something that he doesn't deserve worship for. And funny how you aren't calling out the guys on here who say things 100 times ruder than I do about other posters or about Slash.......I guess those guys are OK in your book, because they worship Axl's every move. Interesting standard you've got going on.

So you might want to follow your own advice, and maybe take a look in the mirror before spewing out your negativity as well. Thanks!!!!

Oh, please! Nothing I said about your posting habits is false or negative! Of course I've seen you "praise" Axl and GNR, it just always seems, to me, generic and a desperate ploy to give water to your critiques and nothing more. Its the tone and aggressiveness in your negativity that shows where your true feelings fall and I suspect that I'm not the only one who sees this. No one is "ok" in my book when it comes to insulting or being rude no matter who its toward, Axl or posters. Your behavior here is why I singled you out and no one else, not because "they worship Axl's every move" and that "those guys are OK in my book". Quit putting words in my (and other people's) mouth. That was one of the things I initially complained about and you don't get it.

Ali,

You never actually make a defining statement about Axl's actions - so I apologize for putting words in your mouth. And don't be so defensive, like I've told you, I admire your ability to paint a positive spin on EVERYTHING Axl does.

So just for the record, and a simple yes or no will suffice.

Do you think it was a positive thing for Axl to delay the start of GnR shows for 2-3 hours?

Do you think it was rude and disrespectful to his bandmates, band's crew and fans for Axl to start shows 2-3 hours late?

Would it bother you to go to a GnR show in 2014 and have the opening band finish at 10 pm and Axl/Gnr not go onstage until 12:30?

Defining statement? Sounds more like condemnation. Getting up on my soapbox and doing the latter does nothing for me.

If Axl ever delays a show 2-3 hours, it's never a positive thing. Never said otherwise.

Sure, it's rude and disrespectful if you start a show 2-3 hours late.

No, it doesn't or wouldn't bother me. At this point, I'd plan for it like I have recently.

Groghan,

Your schtick is getting very old and tired. Please consider a change in tactic as your tone seems very immature for a grown adult.

. . . I admire your ability to paint a positive spin on EVERYTHING Axl does.

I find this quote quite ironic because that's exactly what you do, only in a very negative, combative, and toxic way. You have a magical way of creating negativity from someone's opinion that wasn't even implied in the first place, then bust out straw-man arguments in the form of essays creating further dissension. Please stop trying to be the father figure to this forum. We don't need your guidance and we definitely don't need to be corrected all the time in order to see things the way you wish us to. I used to respect you as a poster, now i just wish you would let opinions be opinions and quit turning everything in a negative direction. And really, for a grown adult, you really need to stop stalking certain posters and picking on them aggressively in every thread they post in, be the better man.

Not really in my character to make posts such as these, but I had to get that off my chest.

Inprovinoff may have just won the internet.

Ali

He didn't win the internet he just pointed out he doesn't like it when a person posts common sense to show how ridiculous some people are in their "opinions" which are to the point they are not even opinions but rather blind faith and praise of the almighty one. Like Groghan said spin EVERYTHING Axl does into a positive no matter what. AND we all know Axl reads THIS board don't we Ali.

More irony. Its quite amusing to me that people say that, given the amount of negativity spewed towards Axl and the band on a daily basis. Its a two way street, and there is no right and wrong; only opinion. And I believe no common sense is applied when such a negative tone is used, only "blind faith" in one's own "opinion". I am not a blind Axl worshiper, but I do believe that a more constructive and civil conversation when it comes to all aspects of Axl and GNR, both positive and negative, would go a long way to improving the atmosphere on this forum. There is a a way of being critical without being insulting, combative, and obtusely negative and still getting your point across. Allow people to have their own opinions and don't judge and try to "convert" everyone that shares a different one that you, just have a conversation about it. That's what we're here for right?

Anything off the Queen I and Queen II albums is reason enough for me to have Freddie in the list. Early Queen was considered proto-metal.

edit: btw, I absolutely think Axl deserves to be on this list.

Groghan,

Your schtick is getting very old and tired. Please consider a change in tactic as your tone seems very immature for a grown adult.

. . . I admire your ability to paint a positive spin on EVERYTHING Axl does.

I find this quote quite ironic because that's exactly what you do, only in a very negative, combative, and toxic way. You have a magical way of creating negativity from someone's opinion that wasn't even implied in the first place, then bust out straw-man arguments in the form of essays creating further dissension. Please stop trying to be the father figure to this forum. We don't need your guidance and we definitely don't need to be corrected all the time in order to see things the way you wish us to. I used to respect you as a poster, now i just wish you would let opinions be opinions and quit turning everything in a negative direction. And really, for a grown adult, you really need to stop stalking certain posters and picking on them aggressively in every thread they post in, be the better man.

Not really in my character to make posts such as these, but I had to get that off my chest.

The upcoming Vegas release is going to be from Interscope. If it happens it will prove that there is a working relationship and that the label has not "washed their hands" of GNR. I feel that Axl will get what he desires, or come to an agreement, with how to proceed with releasing a new album and we should hope for that, not wish it failure. Just my .02 cents.

It was his originally. Fortus took over after his departure.

London, Docklands Arena 8.26.02

Just got my tickets! GNR in my backyard, who would of thunk it? Now I sure hope I can figure out where to park. Hope to see some fellow forumers there, its gonna be hot!

Interesting theory. And I for one, hope you're right.

+1

I too feel that the time is coming for some unheard material. They have fought too hard to just give up and throw in the towel. And since they haven't yet, I'm inclined to think we'll get more from them at some point!

Read the comments of the Rolling Stone article plugging this if you all still think Axl's performance "wasn't that bad" (lmfao), and that this is a good idea to release for public consumption. Almost every single comment posted was negative.

As if the general public consensus of Axl's current venture isn't bad enough already...

http://www.rollingst...n-city-20130122

It'll get cancelled. Sure as day. Unless Axl is a complete delusional twat to think this is a good idea.

I don't think this an accurate gauge of a general consensus. If it was there would be no tickets sold and no demand for live shows. What I do think is that it is like this forum, everyone is waiting for the opportunity to cupcake. The same tired people spewing their negativity and the others tired of being spoken over. The people who believe in Axl learned a long time, save a few, to enjoy the ride (while it lasts) and not to feed the cupcakes. Its funny that it seems the cupcakes feed their own kind. Every person I spoke with at the shows I've seen seemed pretty positive about Axl and GNR which seems opposite to the "public consensus" you mention. Gather a consensus from actual GNR fans.

The general consensus from the general public who don't follow every single "GNR" event that takes place, is that "GNR" is nothing more than a parody of it's former self, a nostalgia, cover show starring Axl Rose and his buddies. That's it. Hate to break it to you guy, but we, as in the people that post here, make up the MINORITY of the tickets sold and the money in Axl's pocket. And even if you wanted to take a general consensus of "GNR" fans, meaning...dur...people spending time posting on GNR forums...the consensus in this thread has been mainly negative.

I'm not saying that he's, in fact, a total wash up, but there is still A LOT of talk about that kinda of negative thing floating around, and stuff like this performance, doesn't help.

You see, every once and a while, Axl gets a chance to strut his stuff in front of a wide audience with his current outfit. And, for whatever reason (Rio, Bridge School, 2002 VMAs), he usually crashes and burns. This is the first official DVD release under the "GNR" in over 20 years, and judging by the public feedback so far, this is seeming like a deterrent to take Axl seriously rather than an eye opener that Axl's still got it. It's doing nothing but adding fuel to an already well lit, nasty fire.

I totally get what your saying, but I believe that those who would spew such negativity and criticism would not go to GNR shows or purchase any GNR products. Therefore their "consensus" and opinion is invalid. Actual GNR fans, not just passer by's on the internet, are what really matters and its their consensus I'd be interested in. If there was such dissatisfaction towards Rose and his buddies, then the public have had ample time write them off. However, tickets still sell and there is a demand so I don't buy it. That right there is a perfect litmus test to gauge public perception. If us, the posters on this forum, are in the minority of the tickets sold and the money in Axl's pocket, then how do you account for all the other tickets and merchandise sold? Non fans? Doubtful. If we could somehow get all GNR fans, forum posters and not, together and poll them, that would be the consensus that matters, not the 100 or so that make up all the RollingStone and Youtube comments, which by the way does little to gauge a true consensus. I admit that every time Axl has the public stage, I wish he wouldn't squander it, but those instances don't make me believe that he's a lost hope as hes proven he can still deliver when the cameras aren't broadcasting. I like rooting for the underdog. The public will make their decision on whether Axl has "still got it" when and if (hopefully) they release a mew CD. For now, this DVD/Blu-Ray will be just fine.

Gather a consensus from actual GNR fans.

Then that would not be a "general consensus" though

It would if it was a "general consensus" of GNR fans. The fans are all that matter in this "hypothetical consensus" cos they are the one who buy tickets and commercial releases.

The majority of the world thinks Axl's a joke and will laugh at his horrid vocals on the video in this thread. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Yet they keep selling tickets! Your theory; debunked!

Gather a consensus from actual GNR fans.

Then that would not be a "general consensus" though

It would if it was a "general consensus" of GNR fans. The fans are all that matter in this "hypothetical consensus" cos they are the one who buy tickets and commercial releases.

Read the comments of the Rolling Stone article plugging this if you all still think Axl's performance "wasn't that bad" (lmfao), and that this is a good idea to release for public consumption. Almost every single comment posted was negative.

As if the general public consensus of Axl's current venture isn't bad enough already...

http://www.rollingst...n-city-20130122

It'll get cancelled. Sure as day. Unless Axl is a complete delusional twat to think this is a good idea.

I don't think this an accurate gauge of a general consensus. If it was there would be no tickets sold and no demand for live shows. What I do think is that it is like this forum, everyone is waiting for the opportunity to cupcake. The same tired people spewing their negativity and the others tired of being spoken over. The people who believe in Axl learned a long time, save a few, to enjoy the ride (while it lasts) and not to feed the cupcakes. Its funny that it seems the cupcakes feed their own kind. Every person I spoke with at the shows I've seen seemed pretty positive about Axl and GNR which seems opposite to the "public consensus" you mention. Gather a consensus from actual GNR fans.

Honestly, Axl sounds fine here.

Haters gonna hate.

Wait until they hear Civil War, Catcher or Jungle.

Catcher is gonna be the real treat for me, cant wait! Seriously, why couldn't GNR just keep the camera crew around and capture the last 3 shows and compile the best of?

Nah, once you start tuning those songs down they'll loose any power they have. Remember they already tune a 1/2 step down in Eb. Lessening the tension of the guitar strings any further will result in loss of the snap and attack the guitar strings have.

That's what thicker strings are for.

Tuning down would probably help him save his breath, at least for some songs, and it would allow for him to go for more power on certain notes that he struggles to hit nowdays. Still, like IndiannaRose said, it's his midrange vocals that suffer the most nowdays, and tuning down would probably worsen that on some songs.

It's not like they'd have to tune down to Ab or anything. Even to D (a half-step lower than they are now). Crue has always used that tuning, that's the tuning Zep used for Celebration Day, and the songs would't sound that much different being that the difference would only be a semitone.

True that. I just figure that they already use thick guage strings so going thicker for a semitone might be overkill. However this would be the way to go if they tuned to anything below D. Honestly, IMO, tuning down (further) will make the songs sound darker, and that is my chief complaint with Celebration Day, That said, Celebration Day is an awesome video.

Nah, once you start tuning those songs down they'll loose any power they have. Remember they already tune a 1/2 step down in Eb. Lessening the tension of the guitar strings any further will result in loss of the snap and attack the guitar strings have.

All these judgements on vocals and guitar tone from one unmixed (mono) end of the night song!

What, is Axl's rasp hiding in the other audio channel?

Oh get over yourself already! The unmixed (mono) reference was for the guitar tone. End of the night reference was for the vocals and you know it. You will find anything to spin into a negative comment and honestly it's really old and unoriginal. 5.1 will hopefully bring out all sorts of awesomeness. Axl does not sound as bad as you desperately reiterate every chance you get. Broken record much?

All these judgements on vocals and guitar tone from one unmixed (mono) end of the night song! Come on people, ease up a bit. Repeating the same old negative crap is not gonna change the positivity some people choose to have in regards to GNR. Judging from the unmixed audio, I cant wait for the 5.1 mix. Also I thought it was kinda cool to hear "shredding" coming from Ashba. My opinion on his playing was neutral but I'm starting to realize he's a better player than some make him out to be.

Loving the violinist, nice touch! BBF is great on some of those harmonies.

The o2 proshot has been shown . . . just sayin. Not everything gets cancelled and i hope this makes it out for us. This is hardly a shitty performance.

Agreed, this band does sound great and Axl's voice isn't as bad as some would like others to believe. Remember, the voice is a tricky instrument, a lot more variables go into a good performance than just one's ability and technique, especially for a voice like Axl's.

No, and only because I feel this is not the end for Axl and GNR, though some would like it to be. I truly believe we'll get another album and some more touring and trust me, his voice will be just fine in the studio. He's always been hit or miss live, but I'm sure he's got some fight and creativity left in him. This negativity crap is toxic and played out and I hope he uses that as fuel to throw some fire in our faces.