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i like tsi and chi democracy. the tone of tsi is great. mixed well, powerful but clean and tight. i think tone wise it is my favorite gnr record. human being is a good song. i don't listen to hair of the dog though because my radio station back in the day beat it to death. but i like how the song speeds up at the end. gnr always made covers sound like their own songs.

black leather is pretty cool. everyone sounds good on the record.

i agree with estranged coma, such a waste during those years. i always wonder what could have been. gnr would have had a shot at being one of the biggest bands of all time--immortality, so to speak. led zeppelin, rolling stones, the beatles. they came really close with just 4 records and 6-8 years. i'm not mad at the guys in the band or anything, i just wish they could have worked it out to at least be able to still make a few more records.

Man, I think it's Coma. That or Double Talkin Jive. My two favs.

Think I'm between 2 and 3. I hope the album is great. But it still isn't GnR and that's ok I guess. It's not such a big deal to me anymore that the old guys aren't on this. I like what they are doing too. I'm excited for both bands.

Yeah, baseball isn't expensive. For $23 you can get seats right behind either dugout for the Royals. I know the Royals aren't the Yankees, but I was surprised to hear Yankees tickets only start at $12. And the Chiefs....I suspect the rest of the NFL is like the Kansas City Chiefs. If you can get tickets, the nosebleeds are like $60 or $70 dollars appiece, plus $20 parking.

I'm just wondering why someone who doesn't know anything at all about GNR, or very little, would be suddenly inspired by a commercial on TV to go out and buy $50 tickets for a concert. I agree that this promo is not for TV but just a contract for MLB to run the website. And, I don't think the expectations are so lofty.

"Agreed dog, this GN'R delivers the songs with a power the old guys never had."

So, what were they, then? Just wondering. Not complaining or comparing.

Smart business move, yes. Cool thing to do? Don't know yet. Axl said he basically made all the decisions anyway so he wanted to own the rights to the name. Don't know how accurate that is. Slash has said other things that he was responsible for. Maybe they are both lying a bit. What about Duff? Who konws the real truth? Doesn't matter now, though.

And, Axl did guest on Gilby's record a few years ago. I remember reading that. Also, there was an interview in the early ninetys with Kurt Loder where Axl said he had a sort of ambition, if you will, to do a solo record apart from the stuff GNR did at the time. There's nothing wrong with solo work. Slash didn't want to do Snakepit to start off with. He wanted to do GNR but it wasn't working and he wanted to play.

And the rest is new history:)

Sweet pics. Axl looked cool. Thanks for sharing.

Arrgghhhh. There's a website I was browsing around one day (I got the link off of here, by the way) where Axl was doing an interview with, I'm going off memory here, Del James and the topic of the backup singers and horns came up. Axl said with his own lips that it was Slash's idea. The live touring band with all of the backups was dreamed up and assembled by Slash. Axl said he liked the idea and agreed with Slash to do it.

Also, Axl has said many times during the illusions era that the reason he ran around on stage is because he was so pumped up about the music that the band plays. He had nothing but praise, musically anyways, that whole time about that lineup of GNR. He liked Gilby as well during the tour.

Forgive me for not citing, I don't have all day to go back and find it. Someone on here knows what I'm talking about. It was a website with an archive of old GNR interviews, etc.

So, I wouldn't say he doesn't play the illusions because he doesn't like them. All this speculation about Axl doing this or that because he didn't like the band at this time or that time is silly. I mean, they had all of two records of original material in four years. It's not like Aerosmith with four or five eras. I mean, some people say he doesn't like Appetite for whatever reason, and others say he doesn't like the illusions for whatever reason. Well, what does he like and why did he do it if he hated it so much? We all know how Axl is about doing something he doesn't want to do. Seems hard to believe he would do 6 years of a band he hated.

Who knows why Axl doesn't do UYI?

UYI was partly the reason Nirvana got big.

UYI as good as it was, was too much. Not enough emotion and rawness. Nirvana had that.

If UYI was recorded in the same style as AFD with raw emotion and with the occasional piano bits (NR, Estranged etc) and none of that synth shit, it wouldv'e smashed Nevermind (I love that album aswell)

So in brief, Axl was upset that his vision didn't do aswell as he wanted and he knows this. So as of late, he says that the Illusions was all Slash etc. He tried to "bury Appetite" but couldn't and he wants to forget about them.

With that being said, I still love the Illusions because thought the old GnR were artistic gods with some of the songs on that Album.

Uh, I don't have the numbers in front of me, but didn't Nevermind only sell like 15 million copies? The Illusions each sold 15 million+. Also, the UYI tour went into 1993, lasting for 2 years. Nevermind came out in 91 and In Uetero came out in 93. I've heard some people make the claim that grunge killed GN'R. This is just crazy talk. Not saying you, Mr. Manson, are saying that though.

I'm also under the impression that a large amount of the Illusions should be credited to Slash as far as the different sort of era is concerned. He is the one who assembled the illusion tour band. The horns and backup singers were his idea and him and Duff pretty much picked Matt Sorum.

Here's an idea. Axl changes GNR's name to something else, they release the Chinese Democracy record, play new material at the concerts and change music again, conquer the world and only play a few GNR classics. You know, Axl's babies.

Ah, screw it. It's just easier and faster to use the name Guns N' Roses.

Axl, I'm glad you're getting cool again. Keep it up.

"he isn't the same as he was 20 years ago. And neither is the band."

Off topic, but I laugh everytime someone says how this band has evolved and they aren't the same band as they were 20 years ago. Yeah, they aren't the same band. It's a whole different band. It's Axl's new project with the Guns N' Roses name stamped on it. Maybe it's good music, maybe it's not good music, but it ain't Guns N' Roses.

Axl was cool, then he got that cigarette holder thingy and it all went down hill from there. He's become a caricature of himself. I keep thinking he's coming around but it's hard to ignore his childish behavior this last tour and over the last few years in general with the album and buckethead deal. Funny talking about being mature and Axl in the same sentence. I wish nothing but the best for the enigma, though.

yeah...... you can't call axe man mature, but fuck i don't mind him being erratic. makes him interesting, mature can be boring as fuck sometimes.

No, no, I like the old Axl when he was 20 something and I was 10 something. He was cool. Starting riots, causing rutcuss, etc. etc. But now? I mean, the whole dating models/nudy bar/ biting security guards/eating lamb....eating lamb? Give it up. Show up to sound check, be on time to the show, actually play the show. Maybe just maybe put out a record every decade or so. Perhaps you could give the fans some solid news/updates/access to what you're working on through some sort of official means.

What the hell does a cigarette holder have to do with anything?

It was at that moment he became full of himself. I mean, don't hold the cigarette anymore, don't want to touch it.

We go from the "poser" Axl living in a trash can in the streets of LA to the Axl with a full entourage of escort security in white suits riding in the back of a white limo with a cigarette holder.

Naturally, I don't have anything against him, just having fun. It's ok to have fun with the celebs. If not for entertainment, what are they there for?

"he isn't the same as he was 20 years ago. And neither is the band."

Off topic, but I laugh everytime someone says how this band has evolved and they aren't the same band as they were 20 years ago. Yeah, they aren't the same band. It's a whole different band. It's Axl's new project with the Guns N' Roses name stamped on it. Maybe it's good music, maybe it's not good music, but it ain't Guns N' Roses.

Axl was cool, then he got that cigarette holder thingy and it all went down hill from there. He's become a caricature of himself. I keep thinking he's coming around but it's hard to ignore his childish behavior this last tour and over the last few years in general with the album and buckethead deal. Funny talking about being mature and Axl in the same sentence. I wish nothing but the best for the enigma, though.

It would add so much credibility to the album.

Releasing the album would also add credibility to the album.

LOL. That is the most logical thing I've heard yet.

The Illusions may have been released kind of wacky and it didn't hurt, but I don't think anybody thought Guns dropped off the face of the planet at that time either. That was, what, a three or four year wait? Appetite wasn't really that big until 1988 was it? So, three years plus Lies came out between. Oh, and some tours mixed in there and being all over MTV. And, it was actually Guns N Roses.

Being in the news in Europe for biting cops and "assaulting" women doesn't really seem to be publicity. That one about getting bottles of piss thrown at you on stage doesn't help your image much either. Everytime I hear any news about Axl on the radio he is being made fun of. Who cares about news? If Axl was all over the tabloids in the 80's with no Sweet Child O' Mine I don't think it would have gotten as big as it did.

Yeah, Axl needs to put out the record. Not many people get excited about a handfull of live performance bootlegs. How will anybody really know anything about the new Guns N Roses if there isn't anything to listen to? There is no record, therefore there are no songs on the radio.

Seems to me the new Guns N Roses needs to be on the radio. There is no more MTV (30 second clip of Pink on TRL) or VH1 (shows about music, but no actual music). Radio's really the best exposure. Oh, it needs to be Chinese Democracy on the radio.