JungleCat

I think it's obvious to any band/musician that true fans care. There's a clear difference between caring and over-the-top harsh criticism though. And no band or musician wants to be told what to do. Would you???

Here's one Jarmo posted from back in 2003 with regard to the LatigoHammers fiasco:

To Whom It May Concern:

This law firm represents W. Axl Rose and the musical group "Guns N' Roses." We have been advised that without authorization you are submitting posts on various on-line message boards and chat rooms using the screen names "LatigoBurns" or "LatigoHammers," signing your posts as "Axl" and in fact purporting to be Mr. Rose.

Please be advised that your actions constitute, among other offenses, a wrongful use and misappropriation of Mr. Rose's name in violation of his federal and state common law rights, as well as federal and state statutory rights including, without limitation, rights of publicity, rights under the Lanham Act and certain rights under the Trademark Cyberpiracy Prevention Act. Your actions violate numerous laws that provide for civil and criminal penalties for which you may be liable, and provide Mr. Rose with numerous remedies including, without limitation, injunctive relief and recovery of actual and/or statutory damages.

Demand is hereby made that you immediately cease and desist from using Mr. Rose's name in any manner, and that you immediately cease and desist from fraudulently holding yourself out publicly as Mr. Rose. In the event that you fail to do so, Mr. Rose has instructed us to vigorously pursue all legal action necessary to protect his rights.

Nothing contained herein or omitted herefrom shall constitute an admission as to any matter or as a waiver or full explication of our client's rights, remedies, contentions, damages and defenses, each of which is specifically reserved.

.........................................

Standard language, I imagine the other letters are more of the same. Also, recently Sean from CD.com and Jarmo both have said that they get the letters as well.

Ali

This is ridiculous!!

So it means that "Axl" isn't a name but a trademark that only he have the right to use?!

Hilarious, ridiculous!! Mr. Rose has notinhg better to do than to threaten his own fans for signing his name!! SICK

/ASSHOLE ROSE

Grow up. Impersonating anyone is a crime. All that much more serious if it's a well-known person in the public eye.

The immaturity on this board never ceases to amaze me.

...and only one successful lineup.

That's a matter of opinion...

I don't think the close of an unofficial GNR forum has any bearing on Rio. Axl will do the cash n' grab. Sing the same old songs with the cover band. They will take a private jet and Axl will sit in the front row. There will be no new album, Better video, or promo pic of the band.

I agree w/ur first statement. An unofficial fan site has nothing to do w/what any band is up to, much less GN'R.

"Cash n' grab," I don't see it that way. When any band tours it's for $$$ and there's nothing wrong w/that.

Cover band, far from it. You're too busy living in the past to open up to what's great here and now. So what if they also sing some old material - r u saying they should deny the fans hearing it live????

There'll be a new album when Axl's good and ready. Same goes for videos, promo etc. It's his perogative, not yours, not mine or anyone else's.

Kinda close in some parts but there's only one Axl.

He didn't forget anyone!

Axl will never, ever....EVER allow his livelihood to slip through his fingers.

And why should he?

Not to take away from the contributions of the original or current line-up but really, Axl really was/is Guns N' Roses.

Does anyone else think Axl should give partial ownership of the band name to the new GNR members. What better way to show the world they are a real band and these guys really are Guns N' Roses. If you don't think so, why not?

No, Axl owns the Guns N' Roses name and it should stay that way. That however, takes nothing away from the current line-up really being Guns N' Roses.

WTF just saw a recent pic of Johnny depp, he looks like axl now

Wow. I luv Johnny Depp. Didn't think anything could improve him but this would!

Oops...just noticed pics - still not as nice LOL

Is it me or was Bumblefoot trying way too hard to look cool at the end? He just doesn't seem to fit in with the rest of the bands image.

It's you.

I honestly never liked Matt much and he always comes off sounding so bitter. I don't know why some of you put so much importance onto anything he says.

Hate to say it but no. Other music sometimes but not rock. Even a great ballad sounds better when sung by a man.

I just watched the Dublin catastrophy clip again and there you can see clearly that a glass bottle is rolling on stage. Just got a little irritated that so many people saying that it was just plstic cups.

Why are we talkin' bout this AGAIN? Doesn't really matter what was thrown on stage, glass, plastic, whatever. When ppl throw things at any band, in my opinion, everyone in the band has the perfect right to walk off stage and end the show.

Like your ever disagree with anything Axl does or says anyway. He could urinate on a fan and you would still come up with reasons for it.

My view: If i was in attendance at the Dublin show and MY show was canceled because of SOMEONE ELSE'S doing, i would not be happy with the band either way. I would be severely disappointed that they cannot just eject the person or persons out from the arena and fulfill a show that the fans paid for and are contracted to do.

And by the way, in Rock in Rio III, Axl clearly kicked out the guy because he was holding up a Slash shirt. Maybe he was sticking up the finger at Axl at the same time, but Axl CLEARLY says to security "hand me that shirt, hand me that shirt!". A shot of the guy holding up the shirt is shown a few songs prior.

READ what I actually said. I said any band. I wasn't just talking about Axl and Guns.

And if you think Axl actually threw that guy out just cuz he was wearing a Slash shirt, think again. Lots of ppl have Slash, the original line up etc. on their shirts and they aren't ejected. It was that idiot's actions that got him tossed.

I was going by your previous posts as well. It seems you always back Axl up regardless of the situation. I did READ what you said. Thank you come again.

Oh really now? So maybe you can explain to me why Axl SPECIFICALLY asked for the shirt MULTIPLE times??

Did he like the shirt?

Again the guy WAS NOT wearing the shirt, unless security pulled it off him. He was most likely waving it at Axl whilst maybe sticking up the finger. But to say "it had 'nothing to do with the shirt" is downright blind and biased.

*Yawn* I wasn't tryin' to start an argument but you seem intent on having one...

So what you're saying is that when someone posts something on topic we're all supposed to ignore what they've actually said and search their previous posts to come up with a hidden, underlying meaning??? Sorry, but I don't have that much time on my hands. Call me stupid but when someone says something I'm prone to just listen to what they actually said - btw a great shortcut you should maybe try sometime.

I said any band and I meant it.

No, I can't specifically explain to you why Axl asked for the shirt. As well as not desperately searching for hidden meanings, I also don't read minds.

I was only going by what he's said, and that is that the guy was bein' an asshole, persistantly yelling fuck you & givin' the finger.

Get busy. Scour the Net for everything Axl's said on the topic. Why go w/ the simple truth when twisting some hidden meaning out of it is so much more fun.

I just watched the Dublin catastrophy clip again and there you can see clearly that a glass bottle is rolling on stage. Just got a little irritated that so many people saying that it was just plstic cups.

Why are we talkin' bout this AGAIN? Doesn't really matter what was thrown on stage, glass, plastic, whatever. When ppl throw things at any band, in my opinion, everyone in the band has the perfect right to walk off stage and end the show.

Like your ever disagree with anything Axl does or says anyway. He could urinate on a fan and you would still come up with reasons for it.

My view: If i was in attendance at the Dublin show and MY show was canceled because of SOMEONE ELSE'S doing, i would not be happy with the band either way. I would be severely disappointed that they cannot just eject the person or persons out from the arena and fulfill a show that the fans paid for and are contracted to do.

And by the way, in Rock in Rio III, Axl clearly kicked out the guy because he was holding up a Slash shirt. Maybe he was sticking up the finger at Axl at the same time, but Axl CLEARLY says to security "hand me that shirt, hand me that shirt!". A shot of the guy holding up the shirt is shown a few songs prior.

READ what I actually said. I said any band. I wasn't just talking about Axl and Guns.

And if you think Axl actually threw that guy out just cuz he was wearing a Slash shirt, think again. Lots of ppl have Slash, the original line up etc. on their shirts and they aren't ejected. It was that idiot's actions that got him tossed.

Unfortunately when idiots continue to throw things and a band walks off stage (which I support under those circumstances) the majority of fans do suffer for the actions of a few. It sucks but the blame lies on the idiots who toss shit, not on the band.

I used to think this but I don't see it anymore - cause it's not like the band has no other choice than to leave in the situation.

What other choice do you think the band has? Stay and put up with it???

Yeah. Maybe tell the security people to guide the troublemakers out? Honestly, Axl could get a guy wearing a Slash shirt out in Rio 2001 so why couldn't he do that? It's much better than ruining the show for ten thousand people.

Sometimes security isn't worth shit. And it's not always that easy to know exactly who threw what when crap's flyin' everywhere.

As far as Rio, the guy wasn't thrown out for wearin' a Slash shirt; he was tossed for persistently screaming "fuck you" and givin' the band the finger.

Yep, sometimes the security guys aren't worth anything, but aren't they there to prevent such stuff from happening in the first place? I'd say the average security staff could halt behaviour such as that. Telling the audience to point out the throwers might work too. Or just threaten them. Do anything you can, but don't stop the concert unless you're actually in danger. Like Conor said, Axl is in charge there. There is always some rational solution available. Giving in and calling it quits is simply unjust for the 10,000 people.

Ok, didn't know about the Rio fact. Still, it shows that Axl can get a crap thrower gone from the front rows.

How many chances should a band give the audience to behave? If shit keeps flyin' after the first warning then security quite obviously aren't doin' their job. And like I said earlier, you have to know exactly wherre it's comin' from to throw anyone out.

Being hit with shit IS dangerous and no performer should have to put up with it. Period.

Unfortunately when idiots continue to throw things and a band walks off stage (which I support under those circumstances) the majority of fans do suffer for the actions of a few. It sucks but the blame lies on the idiots who toss shit, not on the band.

I used to think this but I don't see it anymore - cause it's not like the band has no other choice than to leave in the situation.

What other choice do you think the band has? Stay and put up with it???

Yeah. Maybe tell the security people to guide the troublemakers out? Honestly, Axl could get a guy wearing a Slash shirt out in Rio 2001 so why couldn't he do that? It's much better than ruining the show for ten thousand people.

Sometimes security isn't worth shit. And it's not always that easy to know exactly who threw what when crap's flyin' everywhere.

As far as Rio, the guy wasn't thrown out for wearin' a Slash shirt; he was tossed for persistently screaming "fuck you" and givin' the band the finger.

Unfortunately when idiots continue to throw things and a band walks off stage (which I support under those circumstances) the majority of fans do suffer for the actions of a few. It sucks but the blame lies on the idiots who toss shit, not on the band.

I used to think this but I don't see it anymore - cause it's not like the band has no other choice than to leave in the situation.

What other choice do you think the band has? Stay and put up with it???

I could never understand the public's support for people taking thrown objects to the skull. I mean, seriously. Imagine being up there, singing your heart out and having a bottle of piss his your face. Do you really think you'd be like "oh...that sucked, but lets just keep going"?!!? I'd be mad as hell and do exactly what Axl does.

Then the stage ain't the place for you. People are cunts. That's the moral of the story. Axl is in control of the audience. If something throws something, deal with it. I'm actually partly in favour of his "If you see someone throwing something, beat the fucking shit out of them", but don't mess up the show for 10,000 other innocent people because of the minority's action. That's just not cool.

I don't think anyone is supporting him being hit and pretending nothing happened. And let's not exaggerate, it's hardly a bottle of piss.

I just watched the Dublin catastrophy clip again and there you can see clearly that a glass bottle is rolling on stage. Just got a little irritated that so many people saying that it was just plstic cups.

Why are we talkin' bout this AGAIN? Doesn't really matter what was thrown on stage, glass, plastic, whatever. When ppl throw things at any band, in my opinion, everyone in the band has the perfect right to walk off stage and end the show.

At the end of the day, I completely agree that nobody should be subject to having objects thrown at them. However, I'm completely against the band letting 10,000 people down because of the minority's action. I'm repeating myself, I know, but that's where my issue is. Too many people make it out that I'm all for throwing shit at the band.

Unfortunately when idiots continue to throw things and a band walks off stage (which I support under those circumstances) the majority of fans do suffer for the actions of a few. It sucks but the blame lies on the idiots who toss shit, not on the band.

I just watched the Dublin catastrophy clip again and there you can see clearly that a glass bottle is rolling on stage. Just got a little irritated that so many people saying that it was just plstic cups.

Why are we talkin' bout this AGAIN? Doesn't really matter what was thrown on stage, glass, plastic, whatever. When ppl throw things at any band, in my opinion, everyone in the band has the perfect right to walk off stage and end the show.

Axl doesn't do or say anything that's not genuine. Just one of the things that make him so special, whether you like it or not.

OMG Axl looks soooooo goooodddd!!!!!!!!!

Now this is a GREAT pic!

Cool idea - you know I'm in!

Seems kinda odd they're suing him years after the alleged incident.

Maybe he brought it back just a week ago or so.

Doubt it - he's out on tour!

Seems kinda odd they're suing him years after the alleged incident.

I hate this song with a passion and the first time I heard it I couldn't help but laugh and figured I would just skip when ever I listened to CD. Then GNR started the CD 3.4.6 tour and they were playing it live. I never thought in a million years Axl would play it live. It's by far the most cringe worthy song I've ever heard. What the fuck was axl thinking?

What the fuck are YOU thinking?