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Guys, the 'llll' user is full of shit. If you see the account posting, please ignore it and report it.

Yet again, weak reply ignoring before mentioned facts It is 'fans' like you that make people dislike BBF/Axl/Slash/Easter Bunny because you respond in irrational ways to a discussion by leaving out huge parts mentioned and filling it in with bullshit you pulled out of your ass because someone does not worship your idol.

I asked 2 times for a microtonal fretless part played by BBF. That was the initial point you ridiculed. You totally ignoring this request proves who won that argument

Then the nullifying of the masters of the fretless who play mainly microtonal music with fretless, because that is musically more challenging. Yes, they are more advanced than BBF on fretless who plays chromatic only (well, mainly slides, whistles/farts and country licks). BBF would admit they are more advanced. Why so mad about it?

Get this: the main reason the fretless guitar was invented, was to be able to play 'in between' the chromatic notes and explore the music through microtones, hence that being the main goal of the masters of the fretless. Anyone nullifying the microtonal part of the instrument and the masters who play it that way, are the ones who do not know what they are talking about ... namely, the reason the instrument itself exists

Playing just in the chromatic scale on fretless is like buying a race car and only doing groceries with it. You can do that of course and enjoy that, your money, but the ones driving it hard on a race track are using it properly, getting the most out of it, pushing the boundaries of what is possible with it. Hence they would be the more advanced drivers.

The chromatic way is easy to learn for anyone who already plays guitar and isn't totally hopeless at guitar. Just because your idol plays it does not mean you have to portray it like something impossible. Just practice

Inb4 another blinded fanboy reply, see first paragraph. Enough tutoring from me, deuces but only after another annoying

If Ron can't play microtonal stuff he is not a good fretless player? LOL.

Quote me where that was said. In the 2 years orso I haven't posted on this forum, I forgot most here cannot read properly. Discussing factual things don't go over very well

I said playing fretless in the chromatic scale (which is what BBF does) is easy compared to playing fretless in microtones. That is a fact. And the true masters of the fretless play in microtones because musically there is much more to explore there. Chromatic is limited compared to microtonal.

People here claiming playing fretless is hard, have never tried it or they really suck at everything they try. Within a week of practice you feel where the notes are and don't even think about it. BBF is good at fretless in chromatic like tens of thousands are, nothing special like the fanboys want to make you believe. Anyway, waiting for those microtonal clips of BBF like the other guy claimed BBF does

So a friend of BBF praises him

Uh, no. He's simply a fretless guitar player. And he praised Ron's fretless playing. You're just trying to bring up bullshit arguments to fit your agenda. I don't care about your fretless masters, they have no relevance here.

You claimed something really stupid about the man's fretless playing (Hint: it's *not* about the Shackler's solo) and I know you're ignorant on the subject. I suggest you to do a little more research, then you come back.

You know that microtones are an alien to him, really? Have you ever talked to him? Better yet, why don't you check him doing that kinda stuff before claiming something like that? Because he's got active absolute pitch and people that actually *know* him can vouche for that - not that it's really needed since his perfect intonation kinda proves us that.

Always easy to detect an obsessed rabid nutswinger. They start attacking the poster aggressively instead of talking about the subject because someone dared to criticize their little god. Everything I said was relevant to what I was responding to and factual. Read back without the fanboy glasses. Your response shows you cannot read properly.

Now, post a clip of BBF playing in microtones

No offense, I thought both of those were awful. I have no doubt Ron could do that

See:

If you are playing fretless with microtones, now that is hard. Perfectly played, although the Western ear will tell you it is off-key because of the microtones

Nothing about it was awful, except maybe that you do not prefer that type of music, which is fine. But the playing was exceptional in those clips, could not be more detailed and precise.

And BBF could not play that. He has absolute (perfect) pitch (based on the chromatic scale), a taught version of it, meaning microtones are alien to him. Especially the way it is played by people like Erkan Ogur. Irony being that microtonal music is actually more in tune than notes based on the chromatic scale. Thank the Western church for calling it the tones of Satan and outlawing it a thousand years ago.

Fretless guitar is not that hard to learn, don't exaggerate. This is easy to play if you know how to play fretless. The tapping etc. is all standard stuff too these days. Cello is much more difficult to play, has no frets either. Hundreds of thousands are playing fretless guitar and much more advanced than BBFs predictable slides and fart noises.

You're plain wrong, though. Here's what a fretless guitar virtuoso has to say on the subject...

I like Ron Thal's playing. I don't mean this to sound too harsh, but to me, most fretless players sound like average guitarists playing terribly out of tune. Most have a long way to go in developing good fretless tone. That's why I like Ron - he sounds like Ron. I recommend players to listen to our tracks on the "FRETLESS GUITAR MASTERS" CD. A lot can be learned from tunes like "Ambiguity" and "Children of Sierra Leone".

So a friend of BBF praises him who also praises him back in other interviews promoting each other? It is how the industry works, you rub my back, I rub yours, free promotion. People who fall for this kind of talk are very naive. Look at him praising himself by recommending people listen to his song if they want to hear some amazing fretless. Embarrassing.

They lie if they say fretless is hard, especially if they stay in the chromatic scale. If it is so hard on the guitar, it must be impossible on the violin, which is even harder to stay in key on because of the smaller and more detailed fingerings. But yet we have millions of violinists playing in perfect pitch.

If you are playing fretless with microtones, now that is hard. Like Turkish musician Erkan Ogur does, who is the inventor of the fretless classical guitar. Perfectly played, although the Western ear will tell you it is off-key because of the microtones:

E-bow fretless electric:

Electric fretless improvisation:

BBF or Donahue don't even come close to what Erkan Ogur does on fretless, not even on the same planet. Anyone can use lots of distortion and then slide their finger to the proper position on the guitar neck, then make fart noises (Shackler solo). But to play music?

Depends what you mean by 'new'. The 14 demos (not 10) that are in the the hands of just half a dozen guys are 7 to 13 years old (so just like the age of the wannabes on this forum who don't know jackshit but pretend they are in the scene, the latin named geeks mainly).

And none of those half a dozen guys who have them are dumb enough to share them, nor do any of them need the money (if they would be dumb enough to ask money for it). So unless it was stolen or incomplete, nothing will happen. If there had been real interest by the industry or the people in that circle to promote something, it would have been leaked a long time ago.

The first leaks of CD were organised to be leaked too by the GnR camp; it was free promotion and input gathering by the record company.

The real question is, is there a guitarist who would want to learn this noodling? For what purpose?

It has to be one of the most tasteless, uncool, moot solos in a rock song, ever.

Fretless guitar is not that hard to learn, don't exaggerate. This is easy to play if you know how to play fretless. The tapping etc. is all standard stuff too these days. Cello is much more difficult to play, has no frets either. Hundreds of thousands are playing fretless guitar and much more advanced than BBFs predictable slides and fart noises.

I think I mentioned this before, BBF is very advanced as a guitarist ... not so much as a musician. Meaning, playing for the song, putting content into what you play, the phrasing, the gut, the lyrical part, the touch. You can combine being technically advanced with those things, but it seems alien to him.

Even guitar geeks on guitar forums think his playing is hollow (which says a lot because those geeks have really low standards when it comes to musical content). His guitar tone is shit too, I mean 15k worth of gear and that is the guitar sound you get? Really man?

Nom, nice rant like the old days, kbye <3

its cool to act dumb.