meanmachine78

Axl is not the only performer that shows up late to shows or will stop a show because things are being thrown on stage.

Please name another artist or band that is/are consistently late going on stage.

Mariah Carrey and Rihanna (that's 2)

Charly Garcia (Rock musician in Argentina) always late.

I'm still confused with this whole late thing? This past tour, I only saw them once, but they came on about 15 minutes after the crew stopped changing the stage. Opening band came on a little late, like around 2130 and played till about 2215 or so and Guns hit the stage at 2312. So it's not like Axl was "making us wait" or any of that. The tickets said start time was 2100 and I left happier then a pig in shit because it was the best show I've ever seen coming from a guy who's seen KISS, Soul Asylum, Bon Jovi, Poison, Motely Crue and other bands who put on big shows. Axl has the most raw energy I've ever seen! The guy is amazing but he did not make me wait.

Reading through this was a good time; I want to thank you all for that. With that being said, it's funny how the only thing Mindsaber is getting shit for is "stating his opinion on how things went down". "Mindsaber, you are stupid to believe Axl when Axl says something, don't you know he's blah blah blah. I mean, you should believe the ones who were wasted on heroin, I mean, they showed up to sound check!". And the other defense is "People have a right to their opinion". But it's funny because all Mindsaber is doing is stating his opinion (in a quite comical way, thanks man!), but since it isn't what everyone else believes, then it must be wrong. I mean, look at Germany circa 1941, obviously if a lot of people thinking the same thing, then it must be right!

Second, it's kinda funny how you all are going off what Slash and the others say. Same thing about going off what Axl says, it's he said/she said. But Slash has been caught in lies (one example, going to Axl's house) and getting information incorrect (one example, getting his birth town wrong in his own book).

So instead of telling Mindsaber to "fuck off" just because he believes something other than yourself, why don't you come back with actual points and add to the conversation. And yes, I know the irony of bringing the thread back up...

Thanks for reading and sorry to waste your time.

But we do not know for a fact that all those songs/song titles are 100% finished. They could just be the basic structure, or pretty good demos. If they aren't 100% done, it isn't so impossible to take that idea to the current members and go "what do you think? Anything you'd like to add? DJ, feel free to add your own solo here in place of Robin's" and so on and so on. CD had so many people recording on it because people left when it was done and close to coming out, It was only fair that Axl add Bumbles and Frank to it. But this new disc, which, from what it sounds like, hasn't even been "officially" started on, is a different monster. I see it the same as November Rain, Back Off Bitch, and stuff like that. From all accounts, Axl and co. were working on those pre-Appetite or at least while Appetite was being recorded. Axl felt that they weren't fit for that album and even said in interviews "I"m saving that for our second album". But I don't believe they were recorded, mixed, and mastered back then and then he put them on UYI. The band still recorded the songs while recording UYI. During the recording of CD, if I remember correctly, Axl said that they were focusing on the songs for that album. Doesn't sound like they recorded all those of songs we all wanna hear (Thyme, Soul Monster/Jackie Chan, The General etc...) and Axl will just put them out on the next album. Also have to look at who wrote what and see if they'll allow Axl to use it. I'm sure the band will just take the idea, the core of the song, and work their own magic into it. From what I've read, Axl is very fair when it comes to that process and making sure everyone has their own say into what goes into the album. What I got out of Bumbles' interview was that they have not officially sat down to record or work on the album yet, and for us to not expect it to come out "soon". Which doesn't really mean DJ was wrong, all DJ said was it won't take as long as CD. In theory, if this album takes 3-5 years to be done, DJ will still be right. Maybe on the tour bus, they are throwing ideas around, but that doesn't mean Bumbles is wrong by saying they haven't all gotten in a room to write together. All I know is I can not wait for the US tour!!! That's what I am looking forward to right now!!!

Sorry to waste your time.

ive got an iphone 3gs, and im quiet happy with it, although if u leave it on for a few days without doing a hard turn off, than it fucks up quiet substantially

and besides, can androids be 'jailbroken' cause if they cant, fuck that, ill stay with the iphone, I CBF paying for apps, give me some free ones thanks.

They cant be jailbroken, but they can be "rooted" which allows you to do whatever you want with the operating system. I have an Ipod touch and the Evo 4g. I love them both...Ipod kills android as far as apps go..You can only install like 4 big apps on the evo before getting the "phone is low on space" alert, then you cant install anything else untill you delete an app or two. I have never had that issue with my ipod touch.

Plus with sprint you *have* to pay an extra $10 a month for "4g access"...even though their are only 10 cities with 4g, and even then in those cities you have to be close to downtown to get the signal.

I've been letting my wife use my ipod for the "white noise" app, I may have to replace it with the Axl app....hey i mean what would I rather listen to?, A waterfall or Axl?...Axl all day.

I too have an EVO 4g phone and an ipod touch. I have never had an issue with memory and I never upgraded the memory with a different memory card (which you can not do on an ipod/iphone). But if you still have the phone and it's an issue, make sure you save the apps to your SD card instead of the phone. As far as the "having" to pay $10, that is only for the EVO, not all android phones, because of the 4G. Apple, you have to pay for the data plan on each device, even if it's on the same plan, where as Sprint, you pay $30 for (I think) up to two or three devices (I only have two so I know that is for sure).

But as was stated before, everyone has different needs and people will always like different things, it's what being your own person is all about!

Sorry to continue to hijack this thread, but yes, I'll will try to find this app when I get home on my ipod!

Sorry to waste your time.

I'm not upset that people aren't more stoked about the relaxation app... It's a pretty simple topic and definitely doesn't require 4 pages of non sense.

Mac or Android or Windows, get the fuck outta my thread and go talk about this somewhere else

Sorry Doakes! Cool name though! LOL!

What does the app do? Is it actual gnr music or white noise with a picture of Axl?

I can't read the article right now since it's blocked at work, but has anyone considered that it's not a straight profit of 1 million dollars (unless stated in the article that was the profit). But they just got done playing in England, so to pay for all of the band to fly from England to Russia, plus ship all of their equipment. Not to mention techs and the crew who make the show happen (lightening guy, sound guy, etc). And again, I did not read the article yet, so if it does state that it was a small scaled down show, you might not need everyone, but I'm still sure they need their equipment and stuff. It's not like they were planning on playing Russia and added an extra show for this guy. They had to get off of them and their stuff to a different country. 1 million dollars seems pretty fair to me, with all of that consider.

Sorry to waste your time.

It seems to me, I don't know you so this isn't directed exactly at you, but it seems to me that what really pisses people off is the fact that Axl CAN do it. Sure people get pissed off, but doing things your way, you are gonna piss people off. There is an old saying about how the greatest formula for failure is trying to please everyone. Apparently there are still a lot of people that don't mind and are pleased with the shows. Especially to bitch about shows that you are not even at. As far as believing Axl? Yes, who better knows Axl then Axl? Why would I question Axl when he is stating something about myself? Why would I read interviews or wanna talk to the guy if all I'm going to do is question him? He admits he's late, he explained why, that's it. Hell, even in Brownstone there's the lyric "Show starts around 7, We get on stage around 9). Could it be because of the opening band? Maybe, but if it was written when they were opening for other bands, why would it be about that? It was the I do what I want attitude, you are either with me or against me type attitude. It worked! It worked back then and I'd say it's working now. From reviews and the youtube videos, when the "hero promoter who wanted to slay the evil Axl and stand up to him" pulled the plug, people were chanting Axl, Axl or Let Them Play, or One More Song. Maybe there were some chats of Fuck you Axl Rose (like the one that Axl started back in Asia) or You Got What You Deserve, but those weren't talked about (at least not that I read), the positive ones were. People were won over by the second song and enjoyed singing along. Hell, they stayed for the fan sing along of Paradise. Doesn't sound like those people were too offended and pissed off at that time.

Everyone is given a chance to be great. Me, I could not do it and I work a regular job. But like it says in the Declaration of Independence, we are all give Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Pursuit, doesn't mean we are guaranteed happiness, but we are all able to pursue it. Axl pursed it with his hard work, dedication, talent, and Never Say Die attitude. He is able to show up to work late. Does he get in trouble? Yea. Do people talk about him? Yea. But he keeps getting invited back and able to put on shows and tours. Some may bring up the States and how he can't tour here anymore. That is Bullshit! They choose not to tour here this year, for whatever reason. Could be they wanted to hit the places they don't normally hit first, then get us next year, who knows? But I HIGHLY doubt it's because NO ONE wants him. When they do hit, and they do get a tour, everyone will start pointing out that they aren't selling the places out, yadda yadda yadda, but you know what? They'll be changing the story from NO ONE wanting them to "well, he would have done better had he been on time". So Axl was able to do things on his term, most people can not and they are pissed that he can. Suck it up! This isn't a communism where everyone is the same and all have to do the same thing. If someone does something better then I at work, and get promoted, why would I be pissed at them? It would just motivate me to work harder and get the next one.

As far as playing the victim? You kinda just proved one thing that has been a theory about Axl. He can't win. When he's silent, people rag on him "It's not a normal band, they don't give constant updates, they don't care about their fans because they don't talk" But when he does talk, saying what HE WANTS TO SAY (remember that freedom of speech?), people rag on him because it isn't what "they wanna hear". Another case of Axl being damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. People are going to hate on him just because he's Axl. Why should he go against what he does to please them and get them to like him. All he's done throughout his career is been himself. You either liked him, loved him, hated him or didn't care about him. Seems to me that a lot of people choose to love him. Point being, he has made the right decision. Just because we work jobs where we can be replaced and have to play by the rules, doesn't mean we have to tear down those that are not like that. I for one want an compromised Axl as oppose to a sell out who does things that his "image consultants" tell him so he can stay relevant. I think he did a damn good job of that on his own.

I respect your well articulated opinions.

I think we can both respect the same thing, which is Axl's talent.

But I feel we still disagree on Axl "the person", which is of course completely fine, this is a discussion board, and there wouldn't be a discussion without opposite opinions.

However I would like to touch on the subject that you ask: why should you question what Axl says?

I don't know Axl personally, nor do I wish to care to. Celebrities in my mind are not higher beings, they're just people, equal to us.

And I'm sure you must've personally known or know a person that never thinks he/she has done anything wrong. So why could that not be applied to Axl?

Now, not to insinuate that there is something wrong with Axl's personality (because as I said, I don't know him personally), but a person with a borderline personality always sees him/herself as never to blame, always twisting and turning things to proove others as well that they're never in the wrong.

You are correct, we should agree to disagree on Axl the person.

As far as celebrities go, I agree as well. They are just regular people who are not higher beings (Jersey Shore or Kardashian's for example). I don't know Axl personally and I never even had the chance to meet him. But from a lot of people close to him say, he wears his heart on his sleeve. His lyrics really touch on things going on in my life that I can relate to. His music/lyrics helped me through the years of growing up, which I'm sure some can say the same thing. So it isn't just the fact that he's the lead singer of Guns N Roses or that he's famous and is on TV and magazines, but the person that he seems to be deep down inside. That's what I respect and like about him. And yes, I believe we all do know someone who thinks they never do any wrong. But I never did say weather I thought it was right or wrong that he does what he does. I just said he's going to do it regardless. It's that that I respect. There's a resident at the place that I work who constantly yells at people when things go wrong, curse at people, and yes, I've been on the receiving end of it. The day after she yelled at me (I forget about what) she asked if it was me who she yelled at and I said yes and she kinda shrugged her shoulders as if to say "well, it happens but I'm not apologizing for it". I respected the hell out of that and her and I get along fine now. People who can do things their way and still succeed in life are impressive to me. And are talking doing wrong as in being late or other things? Being late, he already explained himself, right or wrong, that's what he's doing and not compromising. That is all people are really bitching about nowadays so...I'm just saying that some of the things that people claim Axl is playing the victim to, I think he is justified in dealing with things that way.

regard to Reading we feel at the very least the fans deserve an apology from those responsible for the nonsense. We'd also like to thank the fans for being so great, singing along n' not tearing the place apart!!

how could somebody be so stupid like this man? apology leeds? and you? for all the delays? never? pathetic¡¡¡¡¡ :rofl-lol:

I don't know if your smiley laughing faces are to mean you are being sarcastic, and this isn't directed at you, just everyone who is acting like the mob in Frankenstein but here goes: Axl stated back in the chats that he performs better at night. Always has since he was a teenager and if he goes on before he's ready, then he'll give a half ass show and does not want to do that to the fans. I know, hard to believe because all this guy does is shit on us! But the fact remains that he would rather use his own money to pay the fines of playing late AND give the show he feels the FANS deserve as oppose to go on at the scheduled time and give a half ass show and get blasted for doing a shit job up there. So basically his two options, in addition to all the bullshit that get throws at him, is either A. Go on late, have some people bitch about how he isn't fair to the fans and give them the best show he could do (and it is a fuckin' amazing show!) and use his own money to pay the fines (I know, he lives in a mansion, he flies on private jets, but it's still his own money that he worked hard for, we didn't go "Here, you have long red hair, here's my money") or he could get blasted for putting on a shit show and read constant bad reviews about his performance where you know they won't even throw in a "but at least he was on time". Right now the only negative thing I've been hearing and reading is the tardiness. From the videos, bootlegs and stuff, they have been amazing this whole tour!

Another note (So I don't post very often so I have a lot of points to vent about), To all of those fans who go on about how no one likes him anymore and we are all going to stop going to his shows. How can you say that and then make fun of the actual fans who "get it" and call us Axl ass kissers or whatever and say that we are just pure dumb and idiots to put up with the treatment. Obviously it doesn't bother us, so shut the fuck up about it and stop telling me how I should feel! And no, I'm not telling you how to feel, I'm just throwing out another side.

Thank you for your time, sorry if you felt it was wasted. I can't give you your few minutes back though.

There's just one tiny comment to add to your post, you said that Axl stated back in the chats that he performs better at night.

So, just to be a bit sceptic: do you beleive every single thing Axl says?

How about when they were supporting AFD? Also playing support slots ON TIME? He was terrible every time he performed because they weren't performing at night?

The whole point he makes stating he performs better at night is absolutely ridiculous, maybe in his mind it isn't. Think about it, you go to your job and say "well, I want to start 2 hours late because I can perform better." How would that make a difference? You could argue that well one would get to get in the right mindset for things, true, but there's also a thing called DOING THAT AT AN EARLIER TIME IF YOU KNOW YOU NEED IT SO YOU WILL NOT BE LATE! I guess he just doesn't want to be rushed, and that all boils down to carelessness. Carelessness about money (paying fines), promoters (who can lose licenses), and yes even FANS. Because even if YOU don't mind sitting around for an extra hour waiting for Axl to get his mindset together, alot of other fans DO. And yes it's hard to beleive that it's all for the best, because most people recognise that almost 99,9% of bands can get out on the stage on time, and play their best as well!

I've never really cared about these kind of things, but after these latest tweets of Axl, he REALLY touched a very sour note on me. Always the victim and never to blame.

It seems to me, I don't know you so this isn't directed exactly at you, but it seems to me that what really pisses people off is the fact that Axl CAN do it. Sure people get pissed off, but doing things your way, you are gonna piss people off. There is an old saying about how the greatest formula for failure is trying to please everyone. Apparently there are still a lot of people that don't mind and are pleased with the shows. Especially to bitch about shows that you are not even at. As far as believing Axl? Yes, who better knows Axl then Axl? Why would I question Axl when he is stating something about myself? Why would I read interviews or wanna talk to the guy if all I'm going to do is question him? He admits he's late, he explained why, that's it. Hell, even in Brownstone there's the lyric "Show starts around 7, We get on stage around 9). Could it be because of the opening band? Maybe, but if it was written when they were opening for other bands, why would it be about that? It was the I do what I want attitude, you are either with me or against me type attitude. It worked! It worked back then and I'd say it's working now. From reviews and the youtube videos, when the "hero promoter who wanted to slay the evil Axl and stand up to him" pulled the plug, people were chanting Axl, Axl or Let Them Play, or One More Song. Maybe there were some chats of Fuck you Axl Rose (like the one that Axl started back in Asia) or You Got What You Deserve, but those weren't talked about (at least not that I read), the positive ones were. People were won over by the second song and enjoyed singing along. Hell, they stayed for the fan sing along of Paradise. Doesn't sound like those people were too offended and pissed off at that time.

Everyone is given a chance to be great. Me, I could not do it and I work a regular job. But like it says in the Declaration of Independence, we are all give Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Pursuit, doesn't mean we are guaranteed happiness, but we are all able to pursue it. Axl pursed it with his hard work, dedication, talent, and Never Say Die attitude. He is able to show up to work late. Does he get in trouble? Yea. Do people talk about him? Yea. But he keeps getting invited back and able to put on shows and tours. Some may bring up the States and how he can't tour here anymore. That is Bullshit! They choose not to tour here this year, for whatever reason. Could be they wanted to hit the places they don't normally hit first, then get us next year, who knows? But I HIGHLY doubt it's because NO ONE wants him. When they do hit, and they do get a tour, everyone will start pointing out that they aren't selling the places out, yadda yadda yadda, but you know what? They'll be changing the story from NO ONE wanting them to "well, he would have done better had he been on time". So Axl was able to do things on his term, most people can not and they are pissed that he can. Suck it up! This isn't a communism where everyone is the same and all have to do the same thing. If someone does something better then I at work, and get promoted, why would I be pissed at them? It would just motivate me to work harder and get the next one.

As far as playing the victim? You kinda just proved one thing that has been a theory about Axl. He can't win. When he's silent, people rag on him "It's not a normal band, they don't give constant updates, they don't care about their fans because they don't talk" But when he does talk, saying what HE WANTS TO SAY (remember that freedom of speech?), people rag on him because it isn't what "they wanna hear". Another case of Axl being damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. People are going to hate on him just because he's Axl. Why should he go against what he does to please them and get them to like him. All he's done throughout his career is been himself. You either liked him, loved him, hated him or didn't care about him. Seems to me that a lot of people choose to love him. Point being, he has made the right decision. Just because we work jobs where we can be replaced and have to play by the rules, doesn't mean we have to tear down those that are not like that. I for one want an compromised Axl as oppose to a sell out who does things that his "image consultants" tell him so he can stay relevant. I think he did a damn good job of that on his own.

regard to Reading we feel at the very least the fans deserve an apology from those responsible for the nonsense. We'd also like to thank the fans for being so great, singing along n' not tearing the place apart!!

how could somebody be so stupid like this man? apology leeds? and you? for all the delays? never? pathetic¡¡¡¡¡ :rofl-lol:

I don't know if your smiley laughing faces are to mean you are being sarcastic, and this isn't directed at you, just everyone who is acting like the mob in Frankenstein but here goes: Axl stated back in the chats that he performs better at night. Always has since he was a teenager and if he goes on before he's ready, then he'll give a half ass show and does not want to do that to the fans. I know, hard to believe because all this guy does is shit on us! But the fact remains that he would rather use his own money to pay the fines of playing late AND give the show he feels the FANS deserve as oppose to go on at the scheduled time and give a half ass show and get blasted for doing a shit job up there. So basically his two options, in addition to all the bullshit that get throws at him, is either A. Go on late, have some people bitch about how he isn't fair to the fans and give them the best show he could do (and it is a fuckin' amazing show!) and use his own money to pay the fines (I know, he lives in a mansion, he flies on private jets, but it's still his own money that he worked hard for, we didn't go "Here, you have long red hair, here's my money") or he could get blasted for putting on a shit show and read constant bad reviews about his performance where you know they won't even throw in a "but at least he was on time". Right now the only negative thing I've been hearing and reading is the tardiness. From the videos, bootlegs and stuff, they have been amazing this whole tour!

Another note (So I don't post very often so I have a lot of points to vent about), To all of those fans who go on about how no one likes him anymore and we are all going to stop going to his shows. How can you say that and then make fun of the actual fans who "get it" and call us Axl ass kissers or whatever and say that we are just pure dumb and idiots to put up with the treatment. Obviously it doesn't bother us, so shut the fuck up about it and stop telling me how I should feel! And no, I'm not telling you how to feel, I'm just throwing out another side.

Thank you for your time, sorry if you felt it was wasted. I can't give you your few minutes back though.

I know this is a GNR board and other bands shouldn't matter, but for all those people who are saying this in NOT Guns N Roses? What are you views on Megadeth? Dave is the only founding member of that band, but he doesn't get anywhere near the shit that Axl gets, when essentially it's the same thing. It's just Axl gets a bad rep no matter what he does. Luckily he figured that out early on decided since he'll get in trouble either way, might as well do things his way and have fun. We live in a world where everything is Politically Correct and anyone who is offended by any stupid thing is going to cry and bitch and moan as loud as they can. Then all the bleeding hearts are going to jump on board and cry foul as well. The bottom line is, weather this is called Guns N' Roses, GNR (As Bumblefoot suggested to those who have a problem with Guns N ' Roses), Axl n' the Boys, or even Axl and the Axl Rose Band, the bottom line is the spirit, attitude, and most importantly the music is the same. To me, just as any Megadeth version with Dave Mustaine in it is Megadeth and just like any KISS version with Gene and Paul in it is KISS (I do have a tiny problem with Eric and Tommy wearing Peter and Ace's make-up, but that's a different issue on a different board), as long as Axl is in involved and staying true to Guns (meaning unless he comes out and says, this is my solo project) it will always be Guns N' Roses.

Thank you for your time. The End.