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Ozzy coming from Black Sabbath--Blizzard of Oz. He was toast.

Megadeth coming back after Dave's injury and "retirement" of Megadeth. Well, actually every record is a comeback album of sorts since the band is never the same except for the 90s.

And Justice For All after Cliff. The album with no bass player, essentially. I've thought about overdubbing my own bass on that record more than once...Maybe that's just an evolution, though.

Back in Black....maybe the biggest one of all. But they weren't on a downturn, their singer just choked on his own vommit. But it was certainly a reinvention.

Contraband for Slash, Duff, and Matt.

This isn't really a comeback but the story of how Led Zeppelin came to be out of the Yardbirds is one of the coolest stories in music.

This Is It--Michael Jackson....ha ha. I wanted him to come back.

There's no such thing as a 'great' comeback album, you have your time, your allotted slot to be great in and you either do it or you make a nause of it, artists that subscribe to these sorts of concepts are at an immediate disadvantage. But no, there have been no great comebacks of popular music, it doesn't really work that way to be honest, you have a sell by date in popular music and once you've passed that you've had it effectively.

You have your time to do your thing and make a mark...and when it's gone then it's gone.

Nonsense, Aerosmith came back from the dead and were one of the biggest bands in the world again in the late 80's early 90's..........they had a successful second career which could be argued as more popular then the first....

Financially successful, OK, i'll get with you on that but a taxidermised Elvis in a glass cabinet would also be financially successful too, other than that they just went out and played the same old type of shit they did before and essentially became a dilute parody of what they once were, which weren't all that to begin with. Nothing was achieved, no artistic zenith, no particular expansion on or improvement on their sound or the shit they played, i don't call that a successful comeback, i call that a fools paradise.

I disagree. I'm not a big Aerosmith fan but they did evolve to some degree after Permanent Vacation. They grew. Get a Grip is one of my favorite records and I'm not really a big Aerosmith fan. "That one last shot, Permanant Vacation/And how high can you fly with broken wings...." That record brought them back from the dead and exposed them to a whole new group of people. They were bigger after than before and their place in history is defined as much as, if not more, by the stuff they put out after their comeback.

91-93 and 2009-2012

They were on top form in SCOM videoclip, but I'm a fan of the Axl's bandana+piano+more clean look from the 90's.

I think he looks truly like an icon in this picture:

Izzy'll always be the coolest guy IMO. In the current GNR I think it's BBF.

Axl was cool in the UYI era. Very cool. I used to wear flannel shirts and basketball shorts and a black tee (I didn't have a Manson shirt) to look like Axl did on the Estranged video. I was only ten or eleven.

He could have done without the daisy dukes.

Slash looked kinda silly, though during that time. Kind of trashy. He looks way cooler now. Axl fell off big time but he did look cool in the 06-07 era sans the braids. They weren't bad, just not right.

Matt looked......bad. By Velvet Revolver he looks cool. There is a picture in Slash's book where they were playing with Izzy and he looked pretty cool in that picture.

The early 00's was laughable for every person in gnr. That was a freak show.

Izzy reminds me of my uncle David. Bumblefoot looks like a coold dude.

I voted for the UYI era but in retrospect the only person I thought looked cool most of the time was Axl. Slash, Duff, and Izzy were cooler during Appetite but Slash and Duff looked kinda silly on stage by UYI like they wore the same leather pants every day and never took a bath. Of course they were wasted the whole time....

I also voted for current lineup of new GNR but I made mistake again because Axl looked way cooler a few years ago. Now he looks pretty silly with the hulk hogan stache and the saggy chin. He's getting older so that is ok, but he can loose the face hogan stache.

I play guitar so I lean toward liking Slash more but I associate the coolness of the band's appearance with Axl. He's the front man so he's the point man.

Random observations for the day.....

My wife and I went in 2004 in may. It was hot then too.

Orlando is right in the middle of the state. west is busch gardens in tampa bay. Its like 50 or 100 miles. It is on the gulf of mexico coast. East is Cocoa Beach and the Space Center and stuff. its about the same distance. Universal studios and the universal theme park are two different parks side by side so you have to pay for both. Universal Studios was really a disappointment for the money. We like Orlando and we stayed in a hotel off the main highway there. I don't remember what it was, maybe Ramada. We didn't do the disney thing.

The thing we liked most was Cocoa Beach. It was a very quiet beach and peaceful. There weren't a lot of people there. It was a weekday if I remember right, though. Miami is a drive from there and the everglades. Not really close to Orlando.

they were appropriately titled

Yes.

It all went down hill when James started to sing instead of yelling in key. He did well on couple Black Album songs singing but by Load he sounding like a country singer and as such I think they had to change their tone to fit his post vocal chord blowout voice.

It's all about tone. After Black Album their tone took a turn for the worst. Not a critisicm of the songs themselves but the tone of the instruments. Bleeding Me is still cool, though.

I really think James's voice pre-black album is quite annoying. Especially in Kill 'Em All. I think he sounded amazing in the 90's, especially in Garage Inc.

Kill em All his voice is pretty bad. Its like listening to the pimply teenager from the Simpsons sing Metallica.

EDIT: Same with RTLs title track. Great tune, don't get me wrong.

It was terrible on Kill em All. But it fit better. It was also their first record and it was probably a crappy produced record with him just yelling into a mic without much experience and no producer to coach him. I mean it is a dry recording with almost no reverb or vocal delay or anything recorded on a budget--a take or two. In fact, up until the black album they all sound like home recorded demos.

He changed to singing though I really think because he blew out his voice on the Black Album. He has talked about it in documentaries and interviews and stuff. He can't yell like that anymore. Not much different than Axl. Axl doesn't have it like he used to. No shame in that. Singing like Axl and yelling like James takes its toll after years of doing it.

When I hear him sing the old songs it doesn't fit as well. It just doesn't sound right. Plus the guitar tone has changed a lot. I really think it has to do with Jame's vocal singing tone.

Not the first time Mustaine's been pelted off stage for being an idiot... he played a gig in Belfast during the Troubles and dedicated Anarchy in the UK to "the cause" not realising what it meant and that he was in fact endorsing the IRA. Loyalists threatened to murder him and he had to travel in a bulletproof bus for the rest of the tour.

That ain't true! Seriously?!?!

story is in his autobiograhpy.

they were appropriately titled

Yes.

It all went down hill when James started to sing instead of yelling in key. He did well on couple Black Album songs singing but by Load he sounding like a country singer and as such I think they had to change their tone to fit his post vocal chord blowout voice.

It's all about tone. After Black Album their tone took a turn for the worst. Not a critisicm of the songs themselves but the tone of the instruments. Bleeding Me is still cool, though.

I know that Slash is good friends with Jimmy Page and was even one of the first people to publicly say that Jimmy didn't want to reunite with Robert Plant after their last reunion tour. He had dinner with him not too long ago I believe.

I think that Slash has reflected on that similarities of the former Guns N' Roses and Led Zeppelin and has followed Jimmy's lead. Both bands already had cemented themselves in the public's yes. Both bands have lead guitarists that are heroes to the fans. Both also have lead singers that unfortunately have not been able to sing like they used to. It's not as bad in Axl's case but nonetheless I think Jimmy's decision not reunite Led Zeppelin even if he and Robert Plant are on amicable terms has influenced Slash's decision since his grass would not look much greener.

I would post links with references but I'm lazy.

my understanding is that led zeppelin didn't do any reuinion because of Robert Plant not wanting to--not because of Jimmy Page. He was busy touring with Allison Krauss. That was the excuse then, anyway.

I also believe Slash would do some sort of reunion if Axl would. Slash has said he doesn't see it happening lately and seems to be playing it cool but he would do it if Axl could bury the hatchet. However, I understand Axl's point of view wanting to respect his new "band" and all.

I get what you're saying. I think he can sing in key but it kind of sounds weird when the notes resonate. I kinda hear a little Katherine Hepburn their sometimes. All in all I think his voice is fine. Maybe he should sing more songs in a lower register.

Agreed. Much better when he is down lower.

And, yes, I do have a mental defect.

and usually sounds to me like he is singing in a different key.

get ears checked.

I think what might throw people off is that Myles colors his notes differently than Axl, so when he sings Axl songs, the notes sound different, even though they're the same.

It's too clean. It's too high pitched. He gets so high that it sounds out of key--or out of tone may be more a better way to describe it. It just doesn't mix with the music well. And it's too high in the mix on recordings. That may be part of it, too. My exposure to him is some youtube stuff and some recordings with Slash and Alterbridge on the radio so I don't hear everything he sings. He has some good parts that I like but the parts I don't like outweigh the good and I find it hard to listen to any song he sings on for the fact that he is too high in the mix in my opinion and that he oversings. It's kind of like Shinedown. That guy has a great voice but he just oversings for me. It's hard to describe because its been said about Axl, too, and I love Axl.

He would be awesome in Queensryche or some late 80's early 90's prog rock band.

No. Oversings and usually sounds to me like he is singing in a different key.

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Nice, dude! Amazing technique. I was wanting to record Civil War downtuned to Bb and show it to you, guys. But I ain't got any money for a good camera, I'm saving everything I have for that project. Not to mention that I don't have a clue on how to use youtube. Also, I wanted to learn a little more about that plug-your-guitar-directly-into-the-pc-for-better-video-quality stuff. Anybody?

i haven't read through all 9 pages of this yet so you may have found an answer already......

guitar rig by native instruments is amazing. no joke. i got a copy of Guitar Rig 4 off craigslist for 50 bucks to try out. if you are home recording don't even mess with mics and soundcards for guitar. i've been down that road. years of micing, different cards, techniques.....50 bucks solved my problem. The new version software is a couple hundred but not much more as to sounds.

We make songs you could probably put right on the radio from my basement on a plain jane dell computer, a drum machine, a couple mics, an emu 0404 soundcard and guitar rig. Just plug acoustic right into mixer straight into pc. i mic clean guitars for atmosphere and all distorted guitars are guitar rig. Bass is right into mixer soundcard and can be put through guitar rig as well.

If you have Cubase or Pro Tools those usually come with some good plugins like delay and reverb, etc. Digital plugins blow anaolog audio away if you are trying to record with a mic. Just learn how to mix--its an art.

In fact, I got Cubase LE4 with my Digitech RP300 floor processor. It is full version with plugins and a few virtual instruments. Used a synth vst on one song (I don't play keys).

I have an LTD ec 300 and a Dean electric acoustic. A Crate power block for amplification through a Crate 4x12 cabinet. All tone from guitar and fingers and RP300. The only thing I bought new was the 300. Should call the band the Craigslist band.

They only work with pulgins or I can use any of my pedals with it?

THX for the info, BTW.

You can buy a floor pedal/soundcard to go with it for pedals and switches for live playing on laptop. It has an expression pedal and several vacuum switches. It also functions as a USB soundcard.

However, for home use you don't really need any pedals or footswitches if you are using for recording. You just plug your guitar straight into soundcard and the software does all the work. You could probably put a wah in front of it. I haven't tried yet. It has tons of different amps and cabinents and different ways to "mic" them. Bunch of effects too. I'm sure you can find whatever you use in stompboxes in the software. Its easy to use. All you have to do is record your part once--you can change how it sounds anytime you want to without rerecording. For example, you can record it the first time using a Marshall model and if you don't like it, just change it afterwards to a Mesa Boogie or whatever you want without even picking up the guitar.

I use a combination of the Rig and Cubase plugins. Sounds better than anything recorded with a microphone at home--especially effects. I actually don't even play my cabinet at home anymore--just through PC and stereo.

Motley Crue's last record Mic Mars used simulation software.

Should

Nice, dude! Amazing technique. I was wanting to record Civil War downtuned to Bb and show it to you, guys. But I ain't got any money for a good camera, I'm saving everything I have for that project. Not to mention that I don't have a clue on how to use youtube. Also, I wanted to learn a little more about that plug-your-guitar-directly-into-the-pc-for-better-video-quality stuff. Anybody?

i haven't read through all 9 pages of this yet so you may have found an answer already......

guitar rig by native instruments is amazing. no joke. i got a copy of Guitar Rig 4 off craigslist for 50 bucks to try out. if you are home recording don't even mess with mics and soundcards for guitar. i've been down that road. years of micing, different cards, techniques.....50 bucks solved my problem. The new version software is a couple hundred but not much more as to sounds.

We make songs you could probably put right on the radio from my basement on a plain jane dell computer, a drum machine, a couple mics, an emu 0404 soundcard and guitar rig. Just plug acoustic right into mixer straight into pc. i mic clean guitars for atmosphere and all distorted guitars are guitar rig. Bass is right into mixer soundcard and can be put through guitar rig as well.

If you have Cubase or Pro Tools those usually come with some good plugins like delay and reverb, etc. Digital plugins blow anaolog audio away if you are trying to record with a mic. Just learn how to mix--its an art.

In fact, I got Cubase LE4 with my Digitech RP300 floor processor. It is full version with plugins and a few virtual instruments. Used a synth vst on one song (I don't play keys).

I have an LTD ec 300 and a Dean electric acoustic. A Crate power block for amplification through a Crate 4x12 cabinet. All tone from guitar and fingers and RP300. The only thing I bought new was the 300. Should call the band the Craigslist band.

I thought you had good energy and good playing. Some of the bends weren't exact but you got pretty decent tone. It looks like you were using a little 8 inch practice amp and some sort of effects pedal/stompbox.

Nice playing. Did you pick it up by year or did you read some sort of sheet music or have it transcribed? I could totally hear the actual song with your piano track. very good

Sounds good man!

I don't know what it would be. Probably just general alternative.

wanna bet?

but thanks for your opinion.

isn't squabbling fun (we get lots of practice on this forum). no wonder I fit in well.

How much are we betting?

first off, your link is crap (it just sends us to google).

second, your username is debatable on the statement it makes.

third, doubt most of the lazy folks (like me) aren't watching it.

You would never say these things to someone's face. At least not in this way.

I don't know what is true or not. But even if all of it is true to say he was a hypocrite is kinda far. I instantly thought that his writings and art could be an alternate state of mind or escape from who he really was or how he percieved himself to be. I also know that the songs he sang with the Beatles and is credited as being primary creative force are the ones I like better. Now, if Paul and George were still behind those then those two deserve tons of credit for bringing Lennon's style out in the forefront--or creating an alternate style for themselves. Whether selfish or not if they were behind his sound it is genius. Although, George Martin would probably have more to do with it than anybody else.

Someone said this to me the other day. Only way there will ever be a reunion with Slash involved.

No way Axl will let his hologram be within 100 feet of Slash s hologram. No hologram reunion, sorry folks!

Someone said this to me the other day. Only way there will ever be a reunion with Slash involved.

People ready to trade punches over what Hulk Hogan says about Axl vs Slash?

Axl and Slash both had issue with Izzy's work ethic on the Illusions. Izzy had issue with Axl about several things and had issue with Slash wanting Izzy to play through marshals. I read that once from Izzy. There are probably a couple scenerios that could be possible during mixing. 1)Izzy parts were played poorly or did not fit with the rest of the tone or sound of the album and were put in quietly in the mix for creative purposes by the engineer, mixer, or producer 2)Axl and/or Slash lobbied to have Izzy's parts quite in the mix because they were mad at him 3)Axl and/or Slash could have lobbied to have his parts quiet in the mix because they thought he played poorly or the sound did not fit 4)some part of management could have done any of the above.

I will listen more closely next time I listen to them. I've often wondered what was what myself.

Slash talks a bit about the mixing in his book but I don't remember him talking about Izzy's part in the mixing process--other than he probably wasn't there at all if he said anything. Izzy was kinda burned out at that point and wanted to stay clean and was tired of what had become of GNR.

nevermind was an overblown album with four great songs and shit for the rest. it started the downfall. if they were so damn influential how does anyone explain numetal in 1997 and 1998, Limp biscuit and other such garbage.

That one's easy, Pantera came out with Vulgar Display of Power which out-heavy'd everything that came before it and did it with down-tuned riffs like Walk which didn't need a lot of speed. At the same time Rage Against The Machine's debut album brought heavy music and rap together in a way that made sense. Korn picked up on this in a big way, and the rest is history...

And is history now....

I thought it was great. He was just kidding around. Didn't sound like a bash to me at all.