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Does it really matter?

I don't think that's true. Ridley Scott wanted WTTJ for BLACK HAWK DOWN and Axl said he'd only sign off on the rights if they'd use a re-recorded version with the new lineup. It never came to fruition because Ridley wanted the original version.

Wow. Ridley Scott is s dumb ass. He could have a Pitman version of WTTJ in his movie and he turned it down? L-A-M-E! No wonder that movie tanked.

don't worry about' it.

"Don't worry about it?". How the heck can you not worry about it when all those great Pitman effects midway through the song and going unheard and unplayed?

What`s up whit this Pittman mania

The song will be on the cd. :xmasschef:

Pitt-Mania... catch it or die, bitch.

I think they should be playing tons of new songs because the album should be out by now. No more excuses.

If this stuff is true, why do they HAVE to have alcohol onstage, they should be pumped up enough with the fact that they are playing to a bunch of people who have spent hard earned cash going to see them, they are acting like prima donna rockstar bitches. Hell, Axl was out of the game for the best part of a decade, he should be greatful people are still interested

As Istated in other threads. Do you think Keith Richards would preform if they said he would be arested if he smoked on stage

According to the fire marshall's interview on elsewhere, the band was allowed to bring booze on stage, just not in the bottles. they had to bring it in cups. Apparently, that was too much to ask.

Really the booze was just an excuse for Axl to cancel a show he didn't want to play.

Baz blamed pyro.

I thought that was no longer one of the "official" excuses.

Merck, Beta and Axl can come up with all the vague, changing accounts they want. The fire marshal's said one simple thing over and over again.

You can believe anyone you want.

I personally don't think Nelson Collins has any sinister vendetta with Guns N' Roses loyal fans.

If we're to judge the events on past behavior... Axl's done this, how many times? Nelson Collins has done the same thing... never?

I don't think the booze alone called the show off for Axl. I think he'd decided not to play because of many factors. Ticket sales were very slow for that venue. Also, I don't think Axl likes being told how he has to do something by anyone, least of all some nobody fire marshall with a wife and kids and a family to feed. Some nobody... who is he to tell Axl Rose that he can't have a bottle of liquor on stage?

If you listen to the interview with Collins on elsewhere, he specifically addresses Beta's story about smoking regulations. Policy is, they inform the somker to take it outside. On second offense, they CAN receive a summons, but he says nothing of this $1000 dollar fine. Same with fans drinking.

To believe Merck/Axl/Beta's drawn out and changing excuses, you'd have to believe that Nelson Collins has some personal issue against Axl and the band. I really don't think that's the case.

I think Axl used the compromises he had to make as an excuse to bail on a poorly selling show in a small market. That's why he told the NJ crowd the night before that he was planning to stay in the area for a while.

That makes sense. He played a successful, nearly sold-out gig in (or just oustide of) his favorite city - NYC. He probably went to celebrate in the city, as he's been known to do. Woke up hung over and pissed the next morning. Saw he hadn't really moved many tickets for the show, got a little bit of static from the fire marshals over his booze, then looked for every excuse he could to bail on the show.

First we got the "pyro" press release. That didn't fly with fans, so Beta came out with the smoking/drinking excuse. Then we get the third press release, that really says nothing, though it has lots of words... Merck defends Jarmo, brags about tickets sold at other venues, complains that Portland's a soft market, blah, blah blah... but nothing concrete about why they pulled the plug. No simple reason. It's like they're flailing to explain something. Meanwhile, Nelson Collins has steadfastly stuck to his one simple, unchanging account of what happened.

You call this news? elsewhere had a way more in depth story a day earlier. That site is awesome.

They said the high point of the night was the Down on the Farm cover. Changing up the set list was a good idea. Now if they can just do something about the solos...

In one week Merck's issued two public statements about the Portland blunders.

Since the start of the Chinese Democracy World Tour, how many press releases has he issued about the albums, singles, or videos?

They should spend more time creating postitive word of mouth than trying to to damage control on bad word of mouth.

So.. the setlist was something along these lines:

01. Welcome To The Jungle

02. It's So Easy

03. Mr. Brownstone

04. Live and Let Die

05. Sweet Child O Mine

06. Knockin' On Heaven's Door

07. You Could Be Mine

08. The Blues

09. Better

10. Out Ta Get Me

11. November Rain

12. Down on the Farm

13. IRS

14. My Michelle (With Bach)

15. Patience

16. Nightrain

Encore:

17. Madagascar

18. Paradise City

What about Solos? (Ron Solo in there somewhere)

Same solos as every other show.

Axl gave us a nice K-Fed impersonation too, before playing November Rain. He had us give Britney and Federline a moment of silence, but instead of quiet he got a bunch of boos and jeers.

Was this before or after they covered Beautiful?

yeah..... matt just got his ass handed to him by about 10 people, you got nothing left to insult matty.

No, don't worry, he'll come back with more lame and infantile insults. He's already done it in this thread. He'll use a condescending attitude, place himself on a pedestal and try to insinuate once again that his opinion is more valuable than anyone else's.

Discussion boards should be for intelligent debate between people who can respect each other's viewpoints. I respect Matt13's outlook on GN'R, but when he doesn't share the same respect for others, that upsets me.

Let me make it clear: I don't honestly care what he says about me, but he went off on a tangent attacking other people in this thread. I think it was totally uncalled for and he should apologize.

Maybe then we can continue CIVIL discussion rather than lame name-calling.

If I see him make another joke implying that a person with an opposing opinion is a girl I may have to regurgitate my food.

Hey Bunky... sorry, I had to tend to everyday life and am now just coming back to see who entertained my post. I didn't even read your breakdown of my last post, but I'm flattered you wasted probably a good hour of your day working on that. Based on your last post, you're exactly the type of person I was talking about:) You're exactly the type of person GNR is talking about:) What's even funnier, I wasn't even pointing anybody out! So thanks for proving my point. If you want a good civilized discussion, I suggest you head on over to the CNN blogger or something... you whine like a liberal anyway, you'd fit right in over there with your big, impressive intelligent words too. I'm glad you have a grasp on the English language... congratulations... there's a cookie for you behind curtain number 1.

As you move on over to curtain number 2, you'll discover that I could give two shits what you think about me on an internet fan forum. I've been around GNR fan forums since there were GNR fan forums... I took your Mr. Nice guy "I'm smarter and more intelligent than you" approach for a long, long time. But then one day after working on a post like that breakdown of my post you did, I realized, what the fuck am I doing?! This is the internet... a fan forum for a vulger, disgusting yet talented band that has written songs about degrading women and insulting an entire race using the word 'n*****r'. Ironic how you would follow such an act given your high moral standards and easily offended ego... evident in your repremanding post apparently. Thanks mom, I'll head on over to church now for confession and really worry about how I offended you on a GUNS N' ROSES INTERNET FAN FORUM.

I'm also sorry you couldn't manage to stay awake past your betdtime of 9PM after you watch your cartoons on the Disney network to go see GNR w/o losing your job the next day. Booo fucking whooo. Are you not competent enough to be able to juggle one night and not lose your job in the rat race? Yes, take your skirt off. Cry me a river over the sexist comments too, you dork. Maybe you're gay... a lot of gay guys wear skirts nowadays. Perhaps I hit home?

Anyway, I come here for news and when I'm bored, entertainment from clowns like you. So thanks for giving me and I'm sure a lot of other people here that don't take this place too seriously a nice little chuckle with your 'intelligence'.

It was cute, very cute indeed.

People like you on a forum like this are a dime a dozen, so hop in line and do yourself a favor next time and:

disconnect from the internet and reconnect from the real world...

... when you discover you have to repremand someone like you're their parent on an INTERNET FAN FORUM FOR A VULGER ROCK BAND.

Christ.

EDIT: Aussie... I suggest you stop hopping on bandwagons. One day, one's going to go off a cliff.

When Axl says insulting or racist things, they're in the context of a song - a work of art. There are many levels for it to be evaluated on.

You're just calling people names on an internet forum.

Honestly, do you think doing this bonds you and Axl in some cosmic way? You're nothing like him. He's a great musician. You're just some pissed off guy with a computer.