Axlin08

That same logic, I could say CC DeVille is a better guitar player than Slash because he's cuter.

Sounds good.

I don't understand why people war Bucket against Slash.

They are two totally different styles.

Bucket is a very technical shredder, with insane ability, who sounds like a robot in space. It's a very sci-fi/electronic, almost John Carpenter-keyboards sound to his playing.

Slash is a straight up, old school blues influenced guitarist. Totally different. Technically he's the lesser, but it doesn't make his stuff un-interesting or Bucket un-interesting. Slash has this Jimi Hendrix meets Jimmy Page sound.

Bucket is the better technical player, but I don't see how anyone could prefer one over the other without obvious bias.

It'd be like me comparing Joe Perry to John 5. Two polar opposites. And I think that's the genious stroke of Axl. He didn't try to replace Slash, he went in a totally different and new and refreshing direction.

Axl KNEW Slash couldn't be replaced.

But the fans continue the war for no real reason.

Buckethead is a better technical player than Slash.

"Everybody knows that" - Beta

Why do so many people dislike these three Metallica albums, and why were Load and ReLoad viewed as ''betrayals'' by Metallica?

Because they suck.

No they don't.

Muse isn't really hard rock.

Honestly I can't think of any that are good.

Ooh, tough one.

I'm gonna give a slight edge to SIBLY

Interesting selection of dates.

Bret thanked Dokken, who didn't even perform.

Classic.

He should've been charged with making godawful music, and sentenced to death immediately.

Ehhh....

Celebrity Rehab 3, meet your new star.

I like Draw The Line.

Thx. I checked out the Ratt & Faster Pussycat vids.

SUCK

...next

Load and Re-Load catch WAY TOO MUCH shit. WAY TOO MUCH. I think some more modern Metallica fans also forget The Black Album was slagged to death too, yet it's considered a metal masterpiece and critically their finest work.

Load and Re-Load both, are not necessarily Metallica's finest, but are very very strong albums that have some great songs. In alot of ways, the hatred towards them, yet their brilliance, reminds me alot of the same hateful energy directed at Guns N' Roses Use Your Illusion albums.

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St. Anger is another story. It's just a fuckin' trainwreck. Some bands pull out their best work under tension... not Metallica. St. Anger, you could feel in the songs, you could actually feel, the tension, no inspiration, stock, half-ass, phone it in, mail it in... lameness. I can't recall one single good song, the album is incredibly weak beyond belief, and i'm hoping that the new album is ALOT better than this. It was tragic it was so bad, and as a Metallica fan I would like to just forget it existed. It'll be a bargain bin-er one day. It's not that I feel it's a "sell out". I love when artist branch out and do different things. I love it in fact. It keeps stuff interesting. That wasn't the problem with this album. It's just fucking bad. On every level. It feels like an un-inspired jam session, that they decided to officially release.

They both suck equally.

Green Day... HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING GROUND BREAKING.

Their entire legacy has been copycatting underground artists, and ripping off current styles. American Idiot was their 'emo' album.

Shut up. It wasn't an emo album whatsoever. It's called a concept, and Green Day nailed it. For a band who were previously famous for making hit 2-3 minute punk songs, the album was quite a sensation.

American Idiot being groundbreaking is perhaps not the best term, but it certainly had a massive impact on hard music in the 21st Century. The fact that a group like them can make a concept album with 9-minute songs, still have massive radio hits, and go over 10x platinum with an album in the age of downloading, is something else.

Concept album... yeah I guess that's the word for a total unoriginal bandwagon album... instrumentals & lyrics.

Weak.

That's be like GN'R releasing CD, and the entire album sounds like Fall Out Boy or Linkin Park, and suddenly it's called 'original' and 'concept'.

Cash.

NIN's original was masterful, but Cash's brings a whole new energy to it, and in such a perfect way. It seemed like Johnny was singing his own eulogy. Haunting & touching in such a way beautiful way....

Cantrell underrates himself. He should've just taken over on vocals, but DuVall's okay.

He ain't Layne "GOD" Staley though.

I think Hanoi Rocks had a huge influence on GN'R in their infancy. When the whole sleaze rock thing was in. You can see it all over the band in 1986-87.

But in the long-term, no. By 1988 they seemed to be finding their own way. Drawing influences from more traditional sources, such as Aerosmith, the Stones, Queen, etc.

To this day most casual people have no clue who Hanoi Rocks is. I remember my cousin telling me about them, when he found out I dug GN'R. "hey check at Hanoi Rocks"... ironically he didn't have a massive background knowing Hanoi Rocks, and didn't even know Mike's contributions with GN'R, and yet still made that comparison.

Hanoi Rocks deserved to be much bigger than they were. I believe the diehard Appetite fans, would've stayed with Hanoi in some ways, because they kept that whole punk attitude. Something GN'R dropped by the Illusion days.

Green Day... HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING GROUND BREAKING.

Their entire legacy has been copycatting underground artists, and ripping off current styles. American Idiot was their 'emo' album.

What was the last album that broke new ground in the music industry? Like an album that really tried to change things...or you can tell it's impact.

I say Loveless (My Bloody Valentine)

In Rainbows - Radiohead (2007) - Due to the online release and the 'pay what you want' scheme. That was pretty groundbreaking.

All the original myspace/internet bands were quite 'groundbreaking' in a commercial sense as well (Lily Allen, Clap Your Hands Say Yeah, Arcade Fire) but not in a musical sense.

Musically however I'm less sure. You could argue that The Libertines and Arctic Monkeys debut's were the last albums to have a big impact in the UK but they aren't groundbreaking and had little to no impact worldwide. Globally, The Strokes debut had a massive impact on pop music but is hardly groundbreaking - 'first great album of the 00s'.

Overall I'd go for OK Computer though. Radiohead must be the most innovative band around at the moment.

I agree with the Strokes, when their debut came out, I could remember hundreds of sound-alikes. I disagree with OK Computer, though, I would argue KID A was more of a "touchstone" than 'Computer.

'Computer was the lost Pink Floyd album in my mind.

Great, but nothing new.

Nevermind (1991) - Nirvana

Dude, you haven't heard anything since '91 that you thought was groundbreaking?

Eminem - The Slim Shady LP (1999)

Nevermind (1991) - Nirvana

The best since Shout At The Devil....

King Mercury

'nuff said