lifer

I'm gonna give you a little history lesson boy. Back in the early 90's when Nirvana was in there prime nobody not even nirvanas biggest fans were ranking kurt up there with Eddie Van Halen and Jimmy Page. And nobody was calling Kurt the John Lennon of our generation until he died. The truth is the only useful thing Nirvana did was put an end to the annoying hair band trend. And I wouldn't say these things if I hadn't experienced what was going on during that time.

so essentially lifer, your response is that the reason you think Kurt is shit because people back in the early 90s, back when they were just getting famous, no one thought he was legend? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, okaaaaaaayyy and that makes sense on your planet does it? i gotta hang with you, sounds better than dropping acid and thats the best you can come up with? two words dude, Special Ed

Your completely misunderstanding what I'm trying to say. I never said kurt was shit. I said he was mediocre(that means decent nothing special ). My point is that if Kurt didn't die he wouldn't get near the amount of praise that he gets today.

I'll give Kurt credit for one thing and thats getting rid of the god-awful hair metal that haunted the scene for nearly a decade.

so according to you, Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Poison, Warrant, FireHouse, Extreme, Damn Yankees, Mötley Crüe, Jackyl, Skid Row and Mr. Big weren't awful because they were still in the mainstream when Grunge was dominating...

when did I say that?

pantera-This love, Floods, Mouth For War, 10's, Hollow, Domination, Primal Concrete Sledge, I'm broken, Slaughtered, 5 minutes alone, and becoming.

Megadeth-Symphony of Destruction, Sweating Bullets, Holy Wars, Hanger 18, Trust, Train Of Consequences, angry again, crush em, and 99 Ways To Die.

KoRn-Alive, Blind, Freak on a leash, and A.D.I.D.A.S.

Limp Bizkit-Break Stuff and Counterfeit.

Pearl Jam-Alive, Even Flow, Immortality, Once, Jeremy, Black, Oceans, Animal, State Of Love And Trust, Daughter, Betterman, Nothingman, Given to fly, corduroy, Not for you, Last Kiss, and who you are.

AIC-Man In The Box, Would, Rooster, Them Bones, Heaven Beside you, nutshell, down in a hole, junkhead, and i stay away

Thats as good as the 90's get.

Can't say I'm a fan. But I will admit that they do have some killer tunes.

Pantera is awful are you serious their singer is so bad, they're just like a fad band with the new age emo hippies

You sir are full of shit. Pantera was by far the most instrumentally talented band of the 90's.

I never mentioned instruments, I will say it again, their singer SUCKS and it was just a fad band for new age emo hippies.

I don't understand how I am full of shit because I don't like them, I didn't say you're full of shit for liking them.

Pantera fans were not emos. Pantera had the grunge and alternative rock audience in the early 90's. Then they gained more of a redneck audience after 96'.

Pantera is awful are you serious their singer is so bad, they're just like a fad band with the new age emo hippies

You sir are full of shit. Pantera was by far the most instrumentally talented band of the 90's.

I don't like Pantera myself, but I removed them from the list because I know their music actually is good if you like that kind of music.

Well I guess your not as dumb as I thought.

KoRn

Limp Bizkit

Superjoint Ritual

Papa Roach

Machine Head

Slipknot

The only reason to get angry of this music, is because they suck so hard.

Kiss my ass you idiot. I'm getting so sick of close minded people like you bashing bands just because everyone else says they suck.

Why the fuck aren't you banned yet?

Thats none of your business.

Now please stay on topic.

I love angry music. Some of my favorite bands that play angry music are.

Pantera

KoRn

Limp Bizkit

Megadeth

Superjoint Ritual

Papa Roach

Machine Head

Slipknot

Tell me your favorites

It's amusingly annoying. And pathetic.

Then how come your the only one complaining?

Duh, because I'm the one being annoyed.

And because you've targeted me with most of your multiple users.

If I remember correctly that was during the raw/vulgar era, of course that was when we were kind of friends. Plus I don't recall ever targeting you. If you remember correctly I was pissed at ffrankwhite it had absolutely nothing to do with you.

Oh yeah? What about the one user where you appearently came from Seattle and had experienced the grunge movement, and saying that most people in that particular scene didn't think of Nirvana as 'real' grunge? Who do you think that was targeted for? And your user "Awesome 80s" that loved hair metal, and loved to to spread his love for it by sending me comments and whatnot? And when you made the user "crazyfan", I believe it was, you made polls with themes like "Grunge vs. hair metal" and wrote "this is bound to be a Lithium-thread" or some shit.

1. I was just fucking around with you.

2. I did not target awesome 80's at you I created that account just for fun.

3. I started the account where i claimed to be from Seattle so I could put an end to the who betta thread.

4. It was not crazyfan where I said This is a lithium thread waiting to happen. It was with the vulgar account and the thread was called best album of the early 90's. Plus I only said that once.

5. You really need to stop overrated about little things dude. I mean sure I was a pain in the ass once in a while. But I never intended on making enemies with you. You have never been my main concern.

It's amusingly annoying. And pathetic.

Then how come your the only one complaining?

Duh, because I'm the one being annoyed.

And because you've targeted me with most of your multiple users.

If I remember correctly that was during the raw/vulgar era, of course that was when we were kind of friends. Plus I don't recall ever targeting you. If you remember correctly I was pissed at ffrankwhite it had absolutely nothing to do with you.

I'm gonna give you a little history lesson boy. Back in the early 90's when Nirvana was in there prime nobody not even nirvanas biggest fans were ranking kurt up there with Eddie Van Halen and Jimmy Page. And nobody was calling Kurt the John Lennon of our generation until he died. The truth is the only useful thing Nirvana did was put an end to the annoying hair band trend. And I wouldn't say these things if I hadn't experienced what was going on during that time.

so essentially lifer, your response is that the reason you think Kurt is shit because people back in the early 90s, back when they were just getting famous, no one thought he was legend? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, okaaaaaaayyy and that makes sense on your planet does it? i gotta hang with you, sounds better than dropping acid and thats the best you can come up with? two words dude, Special Ed

Your completely misunderstanding what I'm trying to say. I never said kurt was shit. I said he was mediocre(that means decent nothing special ). My point is that if Kurt didn't die he wouldn't get near the amount of praise that he gets today.

I'll give Kurt credit for one thing and thats getting rid of the god-awful hair metal that haunted the scene for nearly a decade.

as far as something worth basing an opinion on, its just guesswork isnt it?

Quite honestly I don't understand what your getting at.

what im getting at is that you're basing your opinion on is the presumption that Kurt wouldn't've gotten as much praise as he did after his death because he wasnt getting it in the early days, he wasnt being called "the john lennon of his generation" well guess what? in his early days not even john lennon was the john lennon of his generation, he was a young guy starting out with a band that got a few chart hits, lots of people including themselves werent sure how long it'd last. so instead of basing your opinion on something like what you presume might have happened had he not died, try basing it, perhaps on the facts of the matter? just a suggestion.

True, But how can we also assume that kurt deserves every amount of praise that he gets?

by virtue of the reasons those that issue the praise offer us perhaps? whether one is deserving of praise or not is down to the person issuing the praise and how they percieve the person upon whom they are offering praise to. deserves "every" amount of praise?? thats a VERY odd question, "every?" is anybody on this planet deserving of EVERY bit of praise they were ever given??? its an extremely non-sensical question and...im not sure even Jesus Christ was/is deserving of EVERY bit of praise he was ever given, im not sure what thats supposed to be relevant too. you're being very pedantic to be honest and im not sure what for

Exactly

nice to see we agree

Good

Because you annoy me, and thus it's hard to not care.

How do I annoy you? I come here minding my own business and you start being an ass towards me. If anyone should be annoyed it should be me.

Because you keep coming back here although you are not wanted back; most people consider that annoying behavior.

Then how come your the only one complaining?

I'm gonna give you a little history lesson boy. Back in the early 90's when Nirvana was in there prime nobody not even nirvanas biggest fans were ranking kurt up there with Eddie Van Halen and Jimmy Page. And nobody was calling Kurt the John Lennon of our generation until he died. The truth is the only useful thing Nirvana did was put an end to the annoying hair band trend. And I wouldn't say these things if I hadn't experienced what was going on during that time.

so essentially lifer, your response is that the reason you think Kurt is shit because people back in the early 90s, back when they were just getting famous, no one thought he was legend? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, okaaaaaaayyy and that makes sense on your planet does it? i gotta hang with you, sounds better than dropping acid and thats the best you can come up with? two words dude, Special Ed

Your completely misunderstanding what I'm trying to say. I never said kurt was shit. I said he was mediocre(that means decent nothing special ). My point is that if Kurt didn't die he wouldn't get near the amount of praise that he gets today.

I'll give Kurt credit for one thing and thats getting rid of the god-awful hair metal that haunted the scene for nearly a decade.

as far as something worth basing an opinion on, its just guesswork isnt it?

Quite honestly I don't understand what your getting at.

what im getting at is that you're basing your opinion on is the presumption that Kurt wouldn't've gotten as much praise as he did after his death because he wasnt getting it in the early days, he wasnt being called "the john lennon of his generation" well guess what? in his early days not even john lennon was the john lennon of his generation, he was a young guy starting out with a band that got a few chart hits, lots of people including themselves werent sure how long it'd last. so instead of basing your opinion on something like what you presume might have happened had he not died, try basing it, perhaps on the facts of the matter? just a suggestion.

True, But how can we also assume that kurt deserves every amount of praise that he gets?

by virtue of the reasons those that issue the praise offer us perhaps? whether one is deserving of praise or not is down to the person issuing the praise and how they percieve the person upon whom they are offering praise to. deserves "every" amount of praise?? thats a VERY odd question, "every?" is anybody on this planet deserving of EVERY bit of praise they were ever given??? its an extremely non-sensical question and...im not sure even Jesus Christ was/is deserving of EVERY bit of praise he was ever given, im not sure what thats supposed to be relevant too. you're being very pedantic to be honest and im not sure what for

Exactly

Because you annoy me, and thus it's hard to not care.

How do I annoy you? I come here minding my own business and you start being an ass towards me. If anyone should be annoyed it should be me.

I thought you promised to stay away from here, Vulgraw?

Why can't you just stay on topic?

Either you're a fucking loser who doesn't want to give up coming here, or you're a mental case who can't stop coming here.

Why do you care?

I'm gonna give you a little history lesson boy. Back in the early 90's when Nirvana was in there prime nobody not even nirvanas biggest fans were ranking kurt up there with Eddie Van Halen and Jimmy Page. And nobody was calling Kurt the John Lennon of our generation until he died. The truth is the only useful thing Nirvana did was put an end to the annoying hair band trend. And I wouldn't say these things if I hadn't experienced what was going on during that time.

so essentially lifer, your response is that the reason you think Kurt is shit because people back in the early 90s, back when they were just getting famous, no one thought he was legend? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, okaaaaaaayyy and that makes sense on your planet does it? i gotta hang with you, sounds better than dropping acid and thats the best you can come up with? two words dude, Special Ed

Your completely misunderstanding what I'm trying to say. I never said kurt was shit. I said he was mediocre(that means decent nothing special ). My point is that if Kurt didn't die he wouldn't get near the amount of praise that he gets today.

I'll give Kurt credit for one thing and thats getting rid of the god-awful hair metal that haunted the scene for nearly a decade.

as far as something worth basing an opinion on, its just guesswork isnt it?

Quite honestly I don't understand what your getting at.

what im getting at is that you're basing your opinion on is the presumption that Kurt wouldn't've gotten as much praise as he did after his death because he wasnt getting it in the early days, he wasnt being called "the john lennon of his generation" well guess what? in his early days not even john lennon was the john lennon of his generation, he was a young guy starting out with a band that got a few chart hits, lots of people including themselves werent sure how long it'd last. so instead of basing your opinion on something like what you presume might have happened had he not died, try basing it, perhaps on the facts of the matter? just a suggestion.

True, But how can we also assume that kurt deserves every amount of praise that he gets?

I thought you promised to stay away from here, Vulgraw?

Why can't you just stay on topic?

I'm gonna give you a little history lesson boy. Back in the early 90's when Nirvana was in there prime nobody not even nirvanas biggest fans were ranking kurt up there with Eddie Van Halen and Jimmy Page. And nobody was calling Kurt the John Lennon of our generation until he died. The truth is the only useful thing Nirvana did was put an end to the annoying hair band trend. And I wouldn't say these things if I hadn't experienced what was going on during that time.

so essentially lifer, your response is that the reason you think Kurt is shit because people back in the early 90s, back when they were just getting famous, no one thought he was legend? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, okaaaaaaayyy and that makes sense on your planet does it? i gotta hang with you, sounds better than dropping acid and thats the best you can come up with? two words dude, Special Ed

Your completely misunderstanding what I'm trying to say. I never said kurt was shit. I said he was mediocre(that means decent nothing special ). My point is that if Kurt didn't die he wouldn't get near the amount of praise that he gets today.

I'll give Kurt credit for one thing and thats getting rid of the god-awful hair metal that haunted the scene for nearly a decade.

as far as something worth basing an opinion on, its just guesswork isnt it?

Quite honestly I don't understand what your getting at.

I'm gonna give you a little history lesson boy. Back in the early 90's when Nirvana was in there prime nobody not even nirvanas biggest fans were ranking kurt up there with Eddie Van Halen and Jimmy Page. And nobody was calling Kurt the John Lennon of our generation until he died. The truth is the only useful thing Nirvana did was put an end to the annoying hair band trend. And I wouldn't say these things if I hadn't experienced what was going on during that time.

so essentially lifer, your response is that the reason you think Kurt is shit because people back in the early 90s, back when they were just getting famous, no one thought he was legend? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, okaaaaaaayyy and that makes sense on your planet does it? i gotta hang with you, sounds better than dropping acid and thats the best you can come up with? two words dude, Special Ed

Your completely misunderstanding what I'm trying to say. I never said kurt was shit. I said he was mediocre(that means decent nothing special ). My point is that if Kurt didn't die he wouldn't get near the amount of praise that he gets today.

I'll give Kurt credit for one thing and thats getting rid of the god-awful hair metal that haunted the scene for nearly a decade.

i've always thought that people with that opinion, possibly, rate people for odd reasons. its the same tired old thing. what is Kurt rated for? he's rated as a guitarist and they rattle on about theres so many guitarists out there that can do huge intricate solo's on play thousands of different styles without taking into the account that people that are rated as guitar players are not necessarily rated or virtuosity, virtuosity is not the only yardstick by which this shit is measured, its about the SOUND you get out of the guitar and how original that is or your sense of melody and when taken in that regard, Kurt is up there with the best of them and THAT for one is not a matter of opinion, its just cold hard fact, LISTEN to the songs, y'know, like with your ears? you can deny a melody, its just fucking there, it is what it is, you cant deny an original sound or an unprescendented sound, its just there, it is what it is now Kurts "sound" could be traced back to people like Thurston Moore but the fact is Kurt got it to more people across the world, that in itself does the instrument a service, a service that many couldnt. theres a reason why Elvis is the King and Chuck Berry, Little Richard etc aint and it doesnt matter how more deserving you think they are of that title, Elvis DID something for the music, he got it to more ears and that in itself is priceless and Kurt did the same for that sort of alternative tuningish anti-solo style of guitar playing. and thats just the tip of the iceberg. try and open your mind just a tiny bit and this aint directed at you Axlin08, or at least not expressly at you so dont take offence cuz i think your opinion is pretty astute here and there

I'm gonna give you a little history lesson boy. Back in the early 90's when Nirvana was in there prime nobody not even nirvanas biggest fans were ranking kurt up there with Eddie Van Halen and Jimmy Page. And nobody was calling Kurt the John Lennon of our generation until he died. The truth is the only useful thing Nirvana did was put an end to the annoying hair band trend. And I wouldn't say these things if I hadn't experienced what was going on during that time.

Wow does anyone listen to me, we're not here to argue, so lifer shut the fuck up and go away, ffrank I didn't even bother to read what you said because it looked big and uninteresting, it dosn't MATTER how he died I hate suicide to lifer I really do but if you want to bash Kurt go to the thread in Don't Damn Me, not here. And if you think Kurt Cobain was untalanted then you truely are a retard sir, no exageration, no kidding. Moop posted this to wish Kurt well in the afterlife so either do that or fuck off how hard is it not to hit the goddamn reply button dude? Why can't you just leave?

I never said he was untalented. All I said was I and alot of other people viewed him as a medicre musician.

Way to go you missed my point entirely, I'll sum it up for you: Fuck Off.

It's a message dude. you can't tell people to not post.

i've always thought that people with that opinion, possibly, rate people for odd reasons. its the same tired old thing. what is Kurt rated for? he's rated as a guitarist and they rattle on about theres so many guitarists out there that can do huge intricate solo's on play thousands of different styles without taking into the account that people that are rated as guitar players are not necessarily rated or virtuosity, virtuosity is not the only yardstick by which this shit is measured, its about the SOUND you get out of the guitar and how original that is or your sense of melody and when taken in that regard, Kurt is up there with the best of them and THAT for one is not a matter of opinion, its just cold hard fact, LISTEN to the songs, y'know, like with your ears? you can deny a melody, its just fucking there, it is what it is, you cant deny an original sound or an unprescendented sound, its just there, it is what it is now Kurts "sound" could be traced back to people like Thurston Moore but the fact is Kurt got it to more people across the world, that in itself does the instrument a service, a service that many couldnt. theres a reason why Elvis is the King and Chuck Berry, Little Richard etc aint and it doesnt matter how more deserving you think they are of that title, Elvis DID something for the music, he got it to more ears and that in itself is priceless and Kurt did the same for that sort of alternative tuningish anti-solo style of guitar playing. and thats just the tip of the iceberg. try and open your mind just a tiny bit and this aint directed at you Axlin08, or at least not expressly at you so dont take offence cuz i think your opinion is pretty astute here and there

I'm gonna give you a little history lesson boy. Back in the early 90's when Nirvana was in there prime nobody not even nirvanas biggest fans were ranking kurt up there with Eddie Van Halen and Jimmy Page. And nobody was calling Kurt the John Lennon of our generation until he died. The truth is the only useful thing Nirvana did was put an end to the annoying hair band trend. And I wouldn't say these things if I hadn't experienced what was going on during that time.

Wow does anyone listen to me, we're not here to argue, so lifer shut the fuck up and go away, ffrank I didn't even bother to read what you said because it looked big and uninteresting, it dosn't MATTER how he died I hate suicide to lifer I really do but if you want to bash Kurt go to the thread in Don't Damn Me, not here. And if you think Kurt Cobain was untalanted then you truely are a retard sir, no exageration, no kidding. Moop posted this to wish Kurt well in the afterlife so either do that or fuck off how hard is it not to hit the goddamn reply button dude? Why can't you just leave?

I never said he was untalented. All I said was I and alot of other people viewed him as a medicre musician.

lifer, shut the fuck up.

Let me guess your another nu-nirvana fanboy.

And you're another irritating, bore who can't respect the dead.

Guess what, Kurt wouldn't have had near the problems if he stayed away from the drugs.

yeah and Kennedy wouldn'ta died if he didnt ride an open top and opt for a bulletproof limo, what a jerk

Kurt was the one who decided to shoot up heroin. Kurt was the one who decided to put a gun to his mouth and pull the trigger. Kurt chose the path he took. nobody else helped get him there.

i'm sick of people making excuses for the guy.

lifer, shut the fuck up.

Let me guess your another nu-nirvana fanboy.

tell ya what, you just ignore every attempt at serious discussion kay? kay!!

Serious Discussion? How the hell has this discussion been serious?

lifer, shut the fuck up.

Let me guess your another nu-nirvana fanboy.

And you're another irritating, bore who can't respect the dead.

Guess what, Kurt wouldn't have had near the problems if he stayed away from the drugs.

lifer, shut the fuck up.

Let me guess your another nu-nirvana fanboy.