WilliamBruceBailey

Booked a room at the Hard Rock in September just in case. I will be there. I was at the show there in 2001. It's one of the best places to see a show!

I was at the show. The reason why certain songs were cut from the set had to be because of the noise ordnance. Same reason why the show started right at 10pm which never happens. I have been to 5 new gnr shows and love cd but I honestly did not miss better and shacklers. It was so great to hear estranged and a proper don't cry. It was a great show and if u weren't there you shouldn't bitch about the set list

I read it and really liked it. Although Duff did say that Axl was a major problem during the illusion tours, he also talks about how Axl was the only GNR member who contacted him when he was in the hospital after his pancreas burst. I had always read that Duff quit the band in disgust. According to his book that was not the case at all. He seemed genuinely ready to just move onto other things in his life. Also really enjoyed a more detailed look at the Duff and Axl accidental meeting at the hotel in London last October. Good book and Duff comes across as a honest and very likeable dude.

90% of the people who buy tickets aren't diehard fans, the average concert goer just wants to have a few drinks and hear some great tunes that they recognize and can sing along too. When you start putting in new songs and rare songs, the average concert goer gets bored and the band starts to lose the crowd. It's like guitar solos and instrumentals, I as a diehard music lover, love to see them but the average fan hates them if they are over 90 seconds long and starts to tune out or go to the bathroom

Bruce Springsteen doesn't do this. Yea he plays Born to Run and a few other classics, but he plays a ton of rarities for his hardcore fans. On his last tour he played over 150 different songs. If he can pull it off, then Axl should be able to

I went to see Springsteen in 2009 and as a "casual" fan was extremely disappointed that he played a bunch of obscure songs that I had never heard before. So I totally get why GNR and other bands keep there sets classics heavy

We were all excited to hear it after all of these years and I think that is why many of us were "blown away". But the fact of the matter is that it was a very mediocre performance. The band was not good, They butchered Slash's guitar masterpiece. Axl's voice was atrocious in the 2nd part of the song. I wish they would have left that song retired.

I decided to use both performances of the song at Rock in Rio as a comparison.

Here is Rock in Rio 1991:

Here is Rock in rio 2011:

How in the hell can someone who is not deaf say that "Estranged has never sounded better"? BE HONEST PLEASE.

Just look at Axl/the BAND back then (1991 version). This was the pinnacle and we didn't even know it...we thought we had years & years of dominance ahead. Dude was a 'rock star' in every sense. Now he's 75lbs heavier with 3 chins and sounds like crap with a karaoke band. WTF

I truly cannot understand the weight gain. And age these days is really no excuse especially when you are rich. I have friends who are in there fifties who look as lean and healthy as they ever had. We know so much about proper diet, exercise strategies, ect...In 2006 he looked almost exactly like he did in the early 90s with the exception of the braids. And then he comes back in 2009 about 20lbs heavier. With the whole year to prepare for this show I don't understand how you don't hit the stage in the best shape possible. I was honestly expecting him to come out looking like he did in Vegas in December 2001 accept with his voice at the peak of 2010 shape.

Austin Texas. GET IT ON

I really hope they play something new but I'm not getting my hopes up. I remember when they did Madagascar for the first time at Rio in 2001 and there was no You Tube and I was dying to hear what the song sounded like. It was very exciting when I found it on one of those old file sharing websites. I probably listened to that live bootleg hundreds of times over the next couple of years.

Here is a taste of RIR full HD 1080P

select 1080P in video

Metallica Full Set 1080P

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL594DC467A9AB7F77

Awesome! That HD looks fantastic. If we get the Guns show in that same quality I don't think I'm going to get much done on Monday

Dallas and maybe another one if it's somewhere I want to go and on a weekend

Sorry. Because it fits the song so perfectly and is highly underrated.

Thanks for the full scan:)

OK guys, I don't know much about silkworms because (i think) it was only ever played once before, and RIR III. However, I do beleive that Axl once said (in the chats, maybe) they had reworked the song, so there is evidence from the man himself that the song still exists... I was just thinking - wouldn't it be totally AWESOME and FITTING if the band played it again at RIR this year, on the 10th anniversary of the other time it was played? They also twittered that they might release new music on their facebook this year... it would be AMAZING if they released the studio silkworms on facebook, and then played it live at RIR!

It was also played at the Vegas shows at the Hard Rock in December 2001. I was at the first of the two shows and I must say the song is very good live. I hated the bootlegs I had heard of the HOB and The RIR shows but in person silkworms is actually really good.

Only with this band could that happen

It would be a great closer for "hard core" fans. We would all love it. But when you consider that "hard core" fans make up at most 20-25% of your audience you would have a lot of ppl going WTF!!!! Paradise City on the other hand would be recognized by any nudnik that happend to be in attendance. It's a classic song with a ton of energy. It would be extremely cool if GNR or any other huge band did an internet poll and let the fans pick the setlist for one show. That would be very unique and would get the band a lot of good press.

From that NY Times article in '05:

With the band's return, Mr. Rose's machinery cranked up again. One internal cost analysis from the period pegs the operation's monthly tab at a staggering $244,000. It included more than $50,000 in studio time at the Village, a more modern studio where Mr. Baker had moved the band. It also included a combined payroll for seven band members that exceeded $62,000, with the star players earning roughly $11,000 each.

Ahh...Thanks that's around what I figured.

Does anyone know how much Axl's guys make? I would imagine that it is a flat fee per year with tour bonuses ect......I just have no idea what studio or touring musicians that are hired to be in a major band are paid

I have been to some good ones. Vegas in Dec 01, Hammerstein show 3, and MSG in 06. My next- Paris in Sept. Can't wait. I feel very fortunate to have see the "original" new gnr lineup with Paul Huge on guitar. Not many got to see that

Sturgis promo video:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=449626079135

that was fucking awesome!! until that guy started talking..

If they have such terrific HD Footage why in the hell won't they release a DVD??? I have never understood this. It's easy money!!!

NuGnR plays GnR songs with Rob Zombie's visual effects and NIN's production.

Have you been to a NIN show? Especially the last tour (with Robin!) for the full stage production?

There's not many bands that even remotely come close to the production that NIN did on that tour. It was mesmerizing. In fact, the only band that I've seen top that production was Floyd's Division Bell live production. U2's last tour was flashy, but not mesmerizing.

GNR's tour is a good production, but certainly no where near what NIN did. I think the music plays a huge part of that though, too. Some examples (NIN):

And then of course, the Floyd... nothing tops this show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZSWAkJ3h8E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2aOccbfAqE

Watch that last one for, hands down in my book, the greatest stage spectacle of all time. Make sure to watch it all the way through. Once you think it can't get any better, it does.

GNR is average at best when it comes to 'wow' factor with their live productions compared to this stuff.

That Pink Floyd Stage Production was incredible. Crazy that was 16yrs ago and nothing can still top it

What he said. Plus Axl would have never let the band become "boring", or "irrelevant". They would have been a combination of U2's constant innovation with the Stones edge. They would have a beautifully produced website, have been more fan friendly, and put out music more consistently because they would have an excellent management team in place. No one hear can say for a minute they wouldn't trade the path that a band like Metallica took for the one that Guns n Roses took. That being said, I love the new band, I love chinese democracy, and I will support whatever Axl does. But don't think I wouldn't trade all of it for Guns having stayed together and became the Rolling Stones of Gen X.

U2 were constantly innovative? Don't make me laugh. U2 were one of those bands like Queen who were garbage after their first four/five albums and continued to mail it in for the extra dough.

I'd rather Axl maintain some dignity than become another Bono or Mercury, who put shit on record knowing that the brainwashed public will lap it up.

Are you retarded?? Seriously??? U2's first 4 albums Boy, October, War, The Unforgettable Fire all solid. The Joshua Tree which was their 5TH album was when they finally made a true masterpiece. Then they went a completely different direction sound and style wise with achtung baby, another masterpiece. They changed the way stadium shows were set up and performed with visual displays and media. Then they made two so so albums with zooropa and pop. Then they come back full circle with All you can't leave behind, and how to dismantle an atomic bomb, then just last year they put out another album that had a completely unique sound and style No line on the horizon. All of which sold well and were critically acclaimed. All the while changing the landscape of the audience experience of arena and stadium shows. And again do you honestly think that had the original incarnation of GNR stayed together that Axl would have put out crap? Perfectionism is a mental disorder that does not go away because someone becomes successful. I honestly believe had the original GNR not imploded, and had no one died from drugs or alcohol, GNR would already be in the pantheon of bands along with the Stones, Beatles, Led Zep, U2 ect.....Hell they came close just with what they did between 87-93.

I think Elton John's "I Guess That's Why They Call It The Blues" was part of Axl's inspiration for this song.

I have always thought this. But it's kinda like that song with the whitesnake rock edge

Just caught the title of this thread "Old GNR would have gotten boring" .....are you serious??? You must be under 20 years old, gotta be. If not your an idiot, sorry..GNR from 1989 thru 1993 were the biggest thing around. Wether your parents hated them, or your little sister loved them, everyone knew who they were and when they were going to be in town. The radio stations played GNR all day long, from AFD, Lies (including the older stuff) on thru Illusions 1 & 2, and bootleg live songs. Where I lived (Waterford, Michigan) if you listend to the radio you COULD NOT MAKE IT THRU THE DAY WITHOUT HEARING AT LEAST 7 DIFFERNT GNR TUNES!! Like Ozzy Osbourne said, "if they stayed together they would have been bigger than the Rolling Stones. You cannot have that type of media exposure and WORLDWIDE success AND FAIL, not possible, there ticket was written. They imploded, simple as that. But to say they would have been boring is just plain stupid. Axl would have served time by now, Slash would probably be dead, so would Duff. GNR stopping probably saved lives, thats how big they were. If they never broke up this website probably doesnt exist, who would need 5 different fansites to dish on the biggest music act in the world. Boring??? I'm still amazed that GNR and boring got used in the same sentance...unbelievable...

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What he said. Plus Axl would have never let the band become "boring", or "irrelevant". They would have been a combination of U2's constant innovation with the Stones edge. They would have a beautifully produced website, have been more fan friendly, and put out music more consistently because they would have an excellent management team in place. No one hear can say for a minute they wouldn't trade the path that a band like Metallica took for the one that Guns n Roses took. That being said, I love the new band, I love chinese democracy, and I will support whatever Axl does. But don't think I wouldn't trade all of it for Guns having stayed together and became the Rolling Stones of Gen X.