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Uninformed? I saw DJ twice before joining GN'R and expressed a differing opinion based in part off that and I'm uninformed? Or, are you one of those of the opinion that irrespective of how many other musicians have worn a top hat, Slash has the market cornered somehow on the right to wear top hats in rock? If taking into all those factors in forming an opinion constitutes uninformed nonsense, then, yeah, I'll keep spouting that off.

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Its not about Slash being the one able to wear a top hat. Its that he is very closely associated with it in GNR, which would make it very easy for a casual fan (who has never seen or heard DJ before) to say "lolololo he's copying Slash."

apparently you only need 3 fingers to play this solo...

That part of it did sicken me inside

Well I'm sure that we can all agree that Izzy is the best rhythm player

Is richard considered a rythem player?

He is.... but unfortunately for him (i am not doubting his talent) he is drowned out by two other guitars, both live and on the album. Izzy just has the grove, doesn't try to do too much, but just does enough to be awesome.

Well I'm sure that we can all agree that Izzy is the best rhythm player

I'm only here for the free food.

Free Hat! :xmassrudolph:

what dumb shits voted for Buckethead?

He improved every solo from the old band, as well as acing every solo from the new stuff

I guess we have 3 deaf people on the forum?

You Could Be Mine. Slaughtered it.

Saying he messed up the most, far from it, but boy did he slaughter that solo.

This is how awesome BBF is.... He can drive a plane and play guitar at the same time!

Paco de Lucia is great, but I wouldn't say that he's better than Ron and Buckethead. Look, he's a great acoustic guy, but do you think that he'd do fine on the fretless, or doing legato or thimble tapping licks at the highest speeds? Guthrie Govan is at least as good technically as Ron, they are friends and he's so fucking diverse as well. Ron even pointed him as the best guitarist of the world - look, Ron Thal knows a huge amount of guitar players, he's got perfect pitch and a photographic memory for music so he knows what he's talking about. They're both extremely great fretless guitar players, can play anything and reach (at least near) the highest speeds while being extremely clean. They're on the same league that Shawn Lane is, not Buckethead's or Steve Vai's league. Govan and Thal are probably the best (eletric?) guitarists alive. It's not only my oppinion, I've seen people that do know every of your favorite guitar players and don't use Dave's ridiculous arguments to prove their point. They actually have reasons to say and think that Ron and Govan are the best and most interesting living guitarists. But yea, some of you would call his playing "guitar-wanky".

Ron's discography speaks for itself. He's widely known as the "new Zappa" for a reason. You may not like his notes choices, but he's extremely competent at what he does. And he does everything - from complex and different rhythm riffs to inventive licks and technical yet melodic solos. His vocal range is so big that the guy can sing Rob Halford and Sebastian Bach songs without a problem. He can sing opera for fuck's sake!

I'm not talking about the subjective part of his guitar playing and songwriting. I'm talking about the objective side of the things, I'm showing facts.

No offense at all man...but your "objective side of things", "showing facts", just killed the interesting momentum-discussion of this thread. Sometimes it´s better to shut up.

I personally couldn´t care less if Bumblefoot SINGS Halford and Sebastian Bach songs. If I wanna listen to Halford or Bach, I simply listen to THEM.

He could sing like fuckin´ Lady Gaga (who actually is a good singer), and I couldn´t care less.

As it comes to Bumblefoot, I am more interested in what he can do with his guitar in Guns N Roses. And he is still to prove me that he can do a better job than Buckethead.

THIS IS FUCKING EPIC, ESPECIALLY AT 2.45...IT`S THE MODERN, ENERGETIC MONSTROSITY THAT I WANTED GUNS N ROSES TO BECOME:

I still cant see how Ron's Nightrain solos are in essence any different to these. They are both essentially shredding

I still rank this as one of the all time great live moments of Guns N' Roses.

I'm not trolling just to push certain buttons, I honestly feel this way.

You cant be serious and BHs nighttrain solo is way better than that.

BH made the solo BETTER. Ron is just wanking there and its not even that good.

Its laughable you would even claim that is one of the greatest all time members.

You have zero credibility claiming something like that. LOL

That doesnt even come close to BHs solo for NT

And BH isnt wanking in that solo? Its pretty much the same thing.

And to make the claim that a guitarist plays with no soul is ludicrous in itself. EVERY guitarist puts something of himself into a solo, therefore every guitarist puts a bit of soul into a solo. Just because it doesnt have massive bends in it does not mean it is not soulful.

No BH actually has melody to it, Ron is just wanking and is all over the place.

He just tries to play a millions notes a second and it sounds like crap. He has zero feeling in his songs with gnr.

Cold and heartless. That is why Ron is not a prodigy. He is just a techincally skilled guitar player who can only play fast.

He doesnt make you feel the notes like slash and BH always did. Ron was a terrible choice for this band.

Its really too bad Axl is stuck with him

Sounds to me like Bumble's has melody. Like i said earlier, BH butchered a lot of solos by trying to "wank" his guitar IMO. In essence they are the same player. In fairness, neither of them fit the songs like Slash did but that is obvious to be fair, but that being said, Bumble is much better on this tour at Slash's work than he was in 2006 and plays BH's note for note.

But according to your logic i guess that makes me an idiot.

I still rank this as one of the all time great live moments of Guns N' Roses.

I'm not trolling just to push certain buttons, I honestly feel this way.

You cant be serious and BHs nighttrain solo is way better than that.

BH made the solo BETTER. Ron is just wanking there and its not even that good.

Its laughable you would even claim that is one of the greatest all time members.

You have zero credibility claiming something like that. LOL

That doesnt even come close to BHs solo for NT

And BH isnt wanking in that solo? Its pretty much the same thing.

And to make the claim that a guitarist plays with no soul is ludicrous in itself. EVERY guitarist puts something of himself into a solo, therefore every guitarist puts a bit of soul into a solo. Just because it doesnt have massive bends in it does not mean it is not soulful.

The only reason Ron is in this band is because no one else wanted to join and put up with Axls BS.

Ron was Axls LAST choice. Everyone Axl tried to get turned him down expect for Ron. And of course Ron wouldnt turn him done, he can now whore out the Gnr name and try to make himself big.

So Axl is now stuck with him. Axl still wants BH back to this day and would take him back and drop wrong in a heartbeat, anyone who thinks otherwise is lying to themselves.

BH is by far the best guitarists this band has ever and will ever have. Its a shame Axl dicked around for so long that he made BH leave.

Now we are stuck with Ron who butchers Slashs and BHs solos. Its really a shame all the talented this band had in 2000-2004 now we are just stick with left overs.

Izzy was not kidding when he said time went by and it became a joke

Not saying you're right or wrong, but how do you know all of this stuff?

He doesn't.

Dave's big schtick is that he likes to post as though his opinion is fact and everyone else's is wrong.

You may want to look at my sig.

You may say that, but you post your "opinions" as facts, mainly by abusing people who dont agree with you.

That is funny, since you see the BS people post about my view on things, the name calling the and bitching and crying but course if you are defending Axl or Ron its ok to do those things.

I wasn't really referring about that, well kinda in a way. You moan about people bitching about you and your "opinion," but then you negate any credibility you have by presenting your opinion as absolute fact. You may actually find that a lot more people would agree with some of your points if you did not bash them so much or make it so absolute that you are right.

And IN MY OPINION, BH butchered a lot of Slash solos with guitar wanking. You Could Be Mine being the perfect example. Ron seems to do a much better job.

The only reason Ron is in this band is because no one else wanted to join and put up with Axls BS.

Ron was Axls LAST choice. Everyone Axl tried to get turned him down expect for Ron. And of course Ron wouldnt turn him done, he can now whore out the Gnr name and try to make himself big.

So Axl is now stuck with him. Axl still wants BH back to this day and would take him back and drop wrong in a heartbeat, anyone who thinks otherwise is lying to themselves.

BH is by far the best guitarists this band has ever and will ever have. Its a shame Axl dicked around for so long that he made BH leave.

Now we are stuck with Ron who butchers Slashs and BHs solos. Its really a shame all the talented this band had in 2000-2004 now we are just stick with left overs.

Izzy was not kidding when he said time went by and it became a joke

Not saying you're right or wrong, but how do you know all of this stuff?

He doesn't.

Dave's big schtick is that he likes to post as though his opinion is fact and everyone else's is wrong.

You may want to look at my sig.

You may say that, but you post your "opinions" as facts, mainly by abusing people who dont agree with you.

How is nirvana a LOL?

They paved the way for grunge. Nirvana were way more influencial than gnr when it comes to music.

Alice in Chains? Soundgarden? OK shut the fuck up.

Now how many bands did gnr influence? Not many.

Slash basically influenced generations and generations of guitarists, young people today look up to Slash and grab a guitar because of him just like Hendrix in his time AFD is in that way WAY more influential than Nevermind whose kids only listen to one song (smells like teen spirit).

Radiohead always influenced a ton of bands

No, and don't tell me Muse were influenced by Radiohead because they were already a band a making music before Radiohead put out their first album.

And you are laughing at u2? You really dont know much about music do you?

U2 are a mainstream joke and I'm still laughing at it.

Not to be an arse but Radiohead were around way before Muse, Pablo Honey came out in 1994, Muse released their first Eps in 1998. Not saying they influenced them but just correcting.

Ron is more talented than Slash overall because of his singing and songwriting skills.

Normal is a great album.

Well, Slash is a better on BMX bikes. And he can draw better...

Ron is good, but far from a prodigy. Do you even know what a prodigy is??

a person, esp. a child or young person, having extraordinary talent or ability: a musical prodigy.

Correct me if i am wrong but couldnt BBF play Eruption backwards at age 10 or something like that? If so then yes i think that classifies him as a prodigy/

The Replacements at number 11? Bang goes the theory on here that all the New GNR are nobodies. Lol.

And in fariness, Radiohead should have been number 1 on that list, OK Computer is fantastic (and i have a deep-seated hatred for Bono! )

"Normal" is a pretty sweet album. Overloaded is a right tune

I aint into micro managing what they play so I am going with the... I am glad they are playing anything and anywhere shtick, cause I am, in fact some covers are amazing live and people want to see them.

Should we have a new thread about each song, no of course not but I think the covers are cool myself

How is it cool when they are playing covers and not even songs from the latest album? It just goes to show this band really is a cover band and not an actual band.

How can anyone take t hem seriously when they are playing more covers than their own material from CD?

If you include the covers they are playing as guitar and piano solos, they are playing at least 6 or 7 covers every show. That is awful.

Hmmm - I know what you mean, but if you look back at the history of Gn'R there have always been covers. I enjoy cover songs at gigs!

If you think about it the only releases without cover songs are AFD & CD....and I suppose LLAS.

R.

LLAS had two covers, nice boys and mama kin.

And yes gnr always played covers but they always play a ton of songs off their current album, something that is not happening with CD.

And the covers they are playing now is fine, my point is if you are going to add more songs to the set list, dont play anymore cover songs play Gnr songs.

Hell even add UYI songs but not songs that no one in this band wrote not even Axl.

Would you rather them add a stones song to the set list or something like civil war or perfect crime even.

If you look at some of the last shows on the UYI tour they played a near enough 1:1 ratio of covers to UYI songs, then you have to consider that two of those UYI songs were covers themselves. . . .

BTW, i do agree that they should play more CD on this tour.

Chances of Ireland/UK arena shows are lookin pretty slim now huh.

Guess that reading press release about those festivals being "GNR's only shows in the UK this year" were right

They didnt say 'only shows in the UK'

They just said english festivals, normal shows werent included.

Yes they did. They said it was Guns only English dates this year.

Yeah but i still thing that it was referring to English festival dates. Plus, think of the gap between the dates that have just been announced. You really think Guns are gunna come to Europe then go back to the US for a month then come back? Makes no sense really. There must be some western European dates in that time.

I doubt it otherwise they would have said, it is the only festival date.

They clearly said, these are the only two dates GN'R are playing in England this year.

Whether it stays like that we shall see.

The only reason i say it is because i seem to remember Reading/Leeds doing a similar thing with Radiohead last year, saying it was their only date to promote sales when they just meant festival date. But like you said, we shall see

Chances of Ireland/UK arena shows are lookin pretty slim now huh.

Guess that reading press release about those festivals being "GNR's only shows in the UK this year" were right

They didnt say 'only shows in the UK'

They just said english festivals, normal shows werent included.

Yes they did. They said it was Guns only English dates this year.

Yeah but i still thing that it was referring to English festival dates. Plus, think of the gap between the dates that have just been announced. You really think Guns are gunna come to Europe then go back to the US for a month then come back? Makes no sense really. There must be some western European dates in that time.

Before all of my statements please assume there is an IMO, or I think before it, if its about a subject matter - That is your sig is it not Dave? You bitched about people moaning at you about your opinion then you come in here and do nothing but bash people's opinions on Axls vioce. Bad form.

In your opinion Axl's voice sucks, in others it doesnt. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend. It's music hence all about opinion. Therefore it is not a fact, as you are claiming, that Axl's vioce is not as good.

axls voice being gone is not subjective. Its fact. Its not an opinion if someones voice is done. That is like saying, its subject if someone is blind.

Anyone that thinks Axl sounds as good now as he did in his prime like a lot are claiming are deaf.

I dare you to take the ear monitor mp3s and make a cd for one of your friends or your mom or dad who does not post on the boards and ask them if Axl sounds good or not.

Yes that may be a "fact" but to some people it still sounds good. I listened to the ear mix and it didn't sound all too bad. You have to remember that he is not going to sound like he did 20 years ago, even 10 years ago, when many songs that he is playing live were recorded, so then he is going to struggle. Yet you still cannot bash people's opinions that it sounds good to them.

Before all of my statements please assume there is an IMO, or I think before it, if its about a subject matter - That is your sig is it not Dave? You bitched about people moaning at you about your opinion then you come in here and do nothing but bash people's opinions on Axls vioce. Bad form.

In your opinion Axl's voice sucks, in others it doesnt. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend. It's music hence all about opinion. Therefore it is not a fact, as you are claiming, that Axl's vioce is not as good.

The ratio of old songs to Chinese Democracy songs is about 2:1, in favor of the old songs.

And? When you have as many "hits" and "classics" as GNR then you have to play them as well. Combine this with the facts that many CD songs are hard to sing and that the majority of people want to hear the classics, especially in these places where the band has rarely been before, i dont see a problem with it.

No disrepect to you man but I'll take Axl's word on this over a website. Even if the same website backs up my point http://gnrontour.com/setlistalm09.htm On the one you posted that say "nearly 4 hours", the Tokyo one was 3:37 which is also nearly 4 hours. The fact that Axl said one more song would do it shows there was only a matter of minutes between the two.

No. you see, nearly 4 hours is by itself longer than 3:37 but add to that the fact that back then there wasn't as much solo spots for the guitar players like now days in a Gn'R

show...we're talking nearly 4 hours of Gn'R songs being played live. how long all the solo spots of Ashba, Fortus, Bumble and dizzy took combined? can you see the point

I'm making?

What about the drum solo and Godfather theme? The drum solo in itself was pretty long.