Kwijibo

keep in mind, axl himself never addresses the t-shirt rumors in his post............

not once.

Really?

"...as I've never asked for anyone's shirt bein' thrown out of anywhere..."

I think that claim of his has been thoroughly rebuked.

For fucksake, you're taking things out of context... He's clearly refering to Canada.

When was the Rio incident relevant? Almost ten years ago.

Thank you! I was like 'why all these people are talking about the Rio gig when Axl clearly was refering to Canada?'. Now I know I was right and they're the stupid people. Not me.

Thank you once again.

Not calling anyone stupid, but Axl very clearly says "Never" and "Anywhere", does he not?

I am not convinced he threw the guy out for wearing a shirt, it seems more like he was thrown out for being a jackass in general and antagonizing Axl/the band which is not the same as having people ejected simply for wearing a Slash t-shirt

The front row fans are a good 20 feet away from him and he is being blasted by the monitors Im sure. What could one fan out of a couple hundred thousand have done to get his attention like that?

keep in mind, axl himself never addresses the t-shirt rumors in his post............

not once.

Really?

"...as I've never asked for anyone's shirt bein' thrown out of anywhere..."

I think that claim of his has been thoroughly rebuked.

For fucksake, you're taking things out of context... He's clearly refering to Canada.

When was the Rio incident relevant? Almost ten years ago.

The Rio incident is VERY relevant. It shows a trend of behavior like this, and Axl clearly says he NEVER did anything like this ANYWHERE. He opened the door to it. Goes to credibility your honor

No, not really relevant. The guy in Rio was upfront being hostile to the band, this wasn't a blanket apparel ban for apparel showcasing a former member. The guy at the Rio show wasn't banned for what he was wearing, but was banned for his behavior.

Ali

Its hard to say, for all we know he was just holding up a shirt he didnt like or something. Its no secret that mentions of Slash seem to piss him off. We dont know what the guy did, but we know that Axl broke the "4th wall" and zoned in on 1 particular fan, which is very hard to do from a stage, especially in front of hundreds of thousands of people and demanded that he be thrown out and have his shirt confiscated. This should have been the biggest show of his life up to that point and he was still able to find the energy to be petty enough to throw someone out and have their shirt taken away. Bottom line is that this incident doesnt exactly make it seem impossible that someone did put a ban on this kind of stuff. Was it Axl? Who knows? It could have just been an overzealous security guard or someone else in Axl's camp. But to claim that he never did anything like that before is ludicrous.

keep in mind, axl himself never addresses the t-shirt rumors in his post............

not once.

Really?

"...as I've never asked for anyone's shirt bein' thrown out of anywhere..."

I think that claim of his has been thoroughly rebuked.

For fucksake, you're taking things out of context... He's clearly refering to Canada.

When was the Rio incident relevant? Almost ten years ago.

Thank you! I was like 'why all these people are talking about the Rio gig when Axl clearly was refering to Canada?'. Now I know I was right and they're the stupid people. Not me.

Thank you once again.

Not calling anyone stupid, but Axl very clearly says "Never" and "Anywhere", does he not?

keep in mind, axl himself never addresses the t-shirt rumors in his post............

not once.

Really?

"...as I've never asked for anyone's shirt bein' thrown out of anywhere..."

I think that claim of his has been thoroughly rebuked.

For fucksake, you're taking things out of context... He's clearly refering to Canada.

When was the Rio incident relevant? Almost ten years ago.

The Rio incident is VERY relevant. It shows a trend of behavior like this, and Axl clearly says he NEVER did anything like this ANYWHERE. He opened the door to it. Goes to credibility your honor

I remember Madison saying,the LAX incident was a publicity stunt,her stripes should have been removed then,no mod responsibility at all in saying that.

Why? The idea that something like that happened and there were no arrests, nobody being held for questioning? Axl and his entourage got to just board a plane and the TSA agents stood there with their thumbs up their asses? Anyone else would have been cuffed and dragged away, not allowed on a flight.

Well,those TSA agents probably thought the poor bastard deserved that right hook bitch slap,you do not put your hands on a woman in a threatening manner,AXL just got him before they could.You are right about them not doing their job,they should have stopped it way before the poor dude got knocked on his ass.

If you work in law enforcement you dont get to just say "Well the guy deserved it", especially if it happens in public, and is being recorded. The fact that nobody was questioned or arrested and Axl just got to board an international flight is highly dubious.

Like law enforcement has not turned a blind eye before,what planet do you live on?

How often do you see an assault happen at AN AIRPORT, in front of dozens of people that is being recorded, and nobody is stopped, questioned or arrested? Nobody even comes over to help the guy. That is unusual. Next time you go to an airport YOU try acting the fool and tell me how it works out for you.

Why would AXL stage something like that? if that is the case then the TSA agents would have been involved with it as well,I do not see that happening,if somebody was threatening anybody that I love,I would have done the same thing AXL did,and I do not care if I'm in an airport,or whatever the fuck.☆

It got him mainstream publicity didn't it? Right before kicking off a tour? I cant think of a reason why someone in his position might want to generate some publicity...

keep in mind, axl himself never addresses the t-shirt rumors in his post............

not once.

Really?

"...as I've never asked for anyone's shirt bein' thrown out of anywhere..."

I think that claim of his has been thoroughly rebuked.

and axl will just say that was a one time thing, it wasnt a big deal

because a concert in front of a couple hundred thousand people isn't a big deal.

That would be like him claiming he never punched a fan.

How often do you see an assault happen at AN AIRPORT, in front of dozens of people that is being recorded, and nobody is stopped, questioned or arrested? Nobody even comes over to help the guy. That is unusual. Next time you go to an airport YOU try acting the fool and tell me how it works out for you.

Funny you mention that. I saw that exact situation at San Francisco International Airport (SFO) in late August of last year as I was getting ready to board a flight to Hong Kong. A man assaulted his son by grabbing him by the collar, picking him up and slamming him into a glass window. Nothing happened to him. Someone from security just asked the kid if he was o.k., but nothing, and I repeat, nothing, happened to the father.

It does happen.

Ali

A domestic incident like that is a little more touchy than somebody just hauling off on someone totally unrelated. That said, depending on the age of the kid, etc its crazy that someone didnt do something about that based on the way you laid it out.

No shit, it's more touchy. But, that was kind of why I pointed it out. The kid was maybe 12 or 13, but nonetheless it was outright assault. I watched the father and son until they left the area and nothing happened to the father.

Point is, it isn't just famous rock stars like Axl Rose who have gotten away with assault at major airports. I saw it happen with my own eyes.

Ali

Did this happen in the check-in areas of the airport, or at the gates after clearing security? Just curious.

keep in mind, axl himself never addresses the t-shirt rumors in his post............

not once.

Really?

"...as I've never asked for anyone's shirt bein' thrown out of anywhere..."

I think that claim of his has been thoroughly rebuked.

How often do you see an assault happen at AN AIRPORT, in front of dozens of people that is being recorded, and nobody is stopped, questioned or arrested? Nobody even comes over to help the guy. That is unusual. Next time you go to an airport YOU try acting the fool and tell me how it works out for you.

Funny you mention that. I saw that exact situation at San Francisco International Airport (SFO) in late August of last year as I was getting ready to board a flight to Hong Kong. A man assaulted his son by grabbing him by the collar, picking him up and slamming him into a glass window. Nothing happened to him. Someone from security just asked the kid if he was o.k., but nothing, and I repeat, nothing, happened to the father.

It does happen.

Ali

A domestic incident like that is a little more touchy than somebody just hauling off on someone totally unrelated. That said, depending on the age of the kid, etc its crazy that someone didnt do something about that based on the way you laid it out.

I remember Madison saying,the LAX incident was a publicity stunt,her stripes should have been removed then,no mod responsibility at all in saying that.

Why? The idea that something like that happened and there were no arrests, nobody being held for questioning? Axl and his entourage got to just board a plane and the TSA agents stood there with their thumbs up their asses? Anyone else would have been cuffed and dragged away, not allowed on a flight.

Well,those TSA agents probably thought the poor bastard deserved that right hook bitch slap,you do not put your hands on a woman in a threatening manner,AXL just got him before they could.You are right about them not doing their job,they should have stopped it way before the poor dude got knocked on his ass.

If you work in law enforcement you dont get to just say "Well the guy deserved it", especially if it happens in public, and is being recorded. The fact that nobody was questioned or arrested and Axl just got to board an international flight is highly dubious.

Like law enforcement has not turned a blind eye before,what planet do you live on?

How often do you see an assault happen at AN AIRPORT, in front of dozens of people that is being recorded, and nobody is stopped, questioned or arrested? Nobody even comes over to help the guy. That is unusual. Next time you go to an airport YOU try acting the fool and tell me how it works out for you.

I remember Madison saying,the LAX incident was a publicity stunt,her stripes should have been removed then,no mod responsibility at all in saying that.

Why? The idea that something like that happened and there were no arrests, nobody being held for questioning? Axl and his entourage got to just board a plane and the TSA agents stood there with their thumbs up their asses? Anyone else would have been cuffed and dragged away, not allowed on a flight.

Well,those TSA agents probably thought the poor bastard deserved that right hook bitch slap,you do not put your hands on a woman in a threatening manner,AXL just got him before they could.You are right about them not doing their job,they should have stopped it way before the poor dude got knocked on his ass.

If you work in law enforcement you dont get to just say "Well the guy deserved it", especially if it happens in public, and is being recorded. The fact that nobody was questioned or arrested and Axl just got to board an international flight is highly dubious.

Perhaps there is more to what happened at the airport then we know of? I agree with you, that punching someone in public (LAX of all places) is going to warrant law enforcement. But who's to say that Axl and Co. were not questioned by the authorities at the airport?

At the end of the video he walks straight to the gate, Im assuming through some sort of entrance where celebrities don't have to wait with ordinary schlubs like us. Nobody is escorting him anywhere. I know LA is a crazy town with all the celebs, but even Kanye West got arrested when he hit that photographer at LAX, and he is a much more recent big name than Axl currently is. Celebrities tip off sites like TMZ all the time about where they are gonna be, especially celebrities who have fallen off the A List (Or want to be on the A List) and could use a little attention.

If Madison had done proper investigation she wouldn't have perpetuated her lies. She had some sort of weird fucked up agenda and thank God Axl finally called her on it.

And how do you know what Madison said was a lie? Did you follow up? Did you contact her source? Or are you just saying this because Axl said its a lie? Because, you know..Axl has NEVER lied to his fans before

Don't act like you're some fucking insider because you spent a day backstage with the guy.

Tell em OTHAFA

Some people can never be pleased.

Security guy: "Axl requested to turn away everyone with Slash shirts" - Fuck Axl, and why isn't he commenting on this himself?

Fernando: "The GN'R camp had nothing to do with this" - We don't trust him.

Axl: "I had nothing to do with this" - LIAR LIAR LIAR!!!

For some... would it have mattered at all if Axl commented?? Opinions were formed the second you heard something negative about Axl.

The correct answer is D. Axl (Or someone of merit qualified to represent Axl, like an agent or manager): "It appears that there may have been some misunderstanding between the promoters, management and the security staff on hand for the event. We are gonna look into it and we are sorry if indeed anyone was inconvenienced" Not too difficult, and even if it is a lie its worded in a way that no fault is being admitted to, but the customer who may or may not have been affected by this leaves knowing that their favorite band gives a crap about stuff like this that can make it suck to be a fan going to a show.

Well, it only happened in Winnipeg, so it's pretty clear that this was the doing of the promoter/security or the likes. Fernando came out the very next day and denied that GN'R had made such a request. Good enough for me.

I guess it all depends on whether you consider a guy on a message board named Fernando to be "someone of merit" and "qualified". The bottom line is that concertgoers are coming to see GNR, not Asshole Security Incorporated or Crappy Promoters R Us. When something happens that is negative to your customers you are supposed to want to protect your brand name whether it was your brand's fault or not, because people will remember their experiences next time you come to town and some may say "Its not worth the hassle this time". Just washing your hands of the matter isn't really the best response.

If Madison had done proper investigation she wouldn't have perpetuated her lies. She had some sort of weird fucked up agenda and thank God Axl finally called her on it.

And how do you know what Madison said was a lie? Did you follow up? Did you contact her source? Or are you just saying this because Axl said its a lie? Because, you know..Axl has NEVER lied to his fans before

Don't act like you're some fucking insider because you spent a day backstage with the guy.

Tell em OTHAFA

Some people can never be pleased.

Security guy: "Axl requested to turn away everyone with Slash shirts" - Fuck Axl, and why isn't he commenting on this himself?

Fernando: "The GN'R camp had nothing to do with this" - We don't trust him.

Axl: "I had nothing to do with this" - LIAR LIAR LIAR!!!

For some... would it have mattered at all if Axl commented?? Opinions were formed the second you heard something negative about Axl.

The correct answer is D. Axl (Or someone of merit qualified to represent Axl, like an agent or manager): "It appears that there may have been some misunderstanding between the promoters, management and the security staff on hand for the event. We are gonna look into it and we are sorry if indeed anyone was inconvenienced" Not too difficult, and even if it is a lie its worded in a way that no fault is being admitted to, but the customer who may or may not have been affected by this leaves knowing that their favorite band gives a crap about stuff like this that can make it suck to be a fan going to a show.

Personally i couldnt care less about Madison . The response of the forum members is split. All biased of course. Some say "well now we can talk about this" or "hey i got banned by Madison, now i'm back." Who cares? (yes i know all of u do) but c'mon is this a forum for Guns N Roses , that comes first, atleast for me. for some of you its your own little world with forum friends and all that. thats fine. but to me Guns N Roses comes first. Axl addressed the false rumor, denied it, and in my mind put it to rest like it should be. He then said there would be suprise gigs! I know i'm not the only who skipped to the end of axls rant.

my point is i care more about GNR than a GNR forum/ forum members. was it fair to madison? i dont know, i dont care.

all i care about is the suprise gigs and the rumor being killed.

In all likelihood the "surprise gigs" remark was thrown in there to deflect attention off what he just said, and to get people on his side. Sorry, playing in Penn Station or the Port Authority while you are in New York doesnt count as a surprise gig.

oh god... when you think you've heard it all from these special race of GNR '''''''''''''''''''''''''fans''''''''''''''''''''''''''', someone called ''Kwijibo'' pops up and say Axl just said the surprise gigs (after writing a shitload of in-your-face insults) to ''deflect attention off what he said''.

Use the 'preview post'' option man, if you dont see the idiotic things you say in the first try, the preview post options gives you a second shot

Think about it... he had something particularly vile to say to someone and wanted to do it in a public forum. The message only needs to reach the person it was intended to reach, and it obviously did. If he left it at that nobody in their right mind would be able to defend him. But by throwing something out there for everyone (the "surprise gigs"), now there is an incentive to further enable and support what he said and did. Why wouldnt you defend him? If everybody here turned on him after that little display he could always threaten to pull the plug on the gigs he promised and say that you did it to yourselves because you are bad fans. Sounds like par for the course to me.

Some people are giving him the benefit of a doubt when someting comes up, and as usual (like the shirt thing lately) it's all bullshit.

Who are these people you talk about? Why is Axl being systematically targeted for failure by the media and the internet?

Certain media outlets loves themselves a good Axl bashing. I guess you haven't payed much attention the last years. Especially before the album came out, he was the laughing stock in the media world. The reason? Who knows? Probably Slash-lovers who above all wouldn't wanna see Axl succeed ever again.

Then the album came out... was he bound to succeed? Hardly. I'm positive many reviews were already written a month before the release.

Therefore am I very happy they are out touring now, playing monsterous shows that are kicking major ass.

When people behave poorly the media, bloggers, etc report it. When those people have no remorse for their poor behavior and their careers falter mostly because of their own doing people in the media and the web tend to get snarky about it. Its called schadenfreude. Do I think its right? Not really, but I dont think that the mainstream media have some elaborate plan to destroy Axl's life and career. He did a pretty good job of that on his own and they got to sit back and laugh at him for it. Does that mean he doesnt get a fair shake from certain people when it comes to reviews, etc? Probably, but any smart entertainer in a bad position knows how to spin it around and reach out to the right people to try and smooth it over. Its useless trying to fight a battle like that with imaginary internet and media personas.

I remember Madison saying,the LAX incident was a publicity stunt,her stripes should have been removed then,no mod responsibility at all in saying that.

Why? The idea that something like that happened and there were no arrests, nobody being held for questioning? Axl and his entourage got to just board a plane and the TSA agents stood there with their thumbs up their asses? Anyone else would have been cuffed and dragged away, not allowed on a flight.

Well,those TSA agents probably thought the poor bastard deserved that right hook bitch slap,you do not put your hands on a woman in a threatening manner,AXL just got him before they could.You are right about them not doing their job,they should have stopped it way before the poor dude got knocked on his ass.

If you work in law enforcement you dont get to just say "Well the guy deserved it", especially if it happens in public, and is being recorded. The fact that nobody was questioned or arrested and Axl just got to board an international flight is highly dubious.

Personally i couldnt care less about Madison . The response of the forum members is split. All biased of course. Some say "well now we can talk about this" or "hey i got banned by Madison, now i'm back." Who cares? (yes i know all of u do) but c'mon is this a forum for Guns N Roses , that comes first, atleast for me. for some of you its your own little world with forum friends and all that. thats fine. but to me Guns N Roses comes first. Axl addressed the false rumor, denied it, and in my mind put it to rest like it should be. He then said there would be suprise gigs! I know i'm not the only who skipped to the end of axls rant.

my point is i care more about GNR than a GNR forum/ forum members. was it fair to madison? i dont know, i dont care.

all i care about is the suprise gigs and the rumor being killed.

In all likelihood the "surprise gigs" remark was thrown in there to deflect attention off what he just said, and to get people on his side. Sorry, playing in Penn Station or the Port Authority while you are in New York doesnt count as a surprise gig.

Some people can't handle the RealTalk.

Axl could rape a 10-year old, and half the posts in a thread about it would be "damn Axl, fucking Rock and Roll man!".

Idiots, all of you.

There's a difference between being a constant victim of lies and bad press from über-biased people with ONE agenda >>> PLEASE LET AXL FAIL!!

...and the tasteless example you brought up.

Some people are giving him the benefit of a doubt when someting comes up, and as usual (like the shirt thing lately) it's all bullshit.

Who are these people you talk about? Why is Axl being systematically targeted for failure by the media and the internet?

So now we have people making fun of retards? Jesus, this place is worse than I thought.

Man, if that's not low, then I don't know what is.

I think it is kind of like black people and the "N" word... its cool if they do it to each other.

Some people can't handle the RealTalk.

Axl could rape a 10-year old, and half the posts in a thread about it would be "damn Axl, fucking Rock and Roll man!".

Idiots, all of you.

You could show some people here video of Axl murdering a kitten and they would whine about how the kitten scratched him and that it had it coming. YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THAT KITTEH DID B4 TEH CAMERA WAS ON!

I remember Madison saying,the LAX incident was a publicity stunt,her stripes should have been removed then,no mod responsibility at all in saying that.

Why? The idea that something like that happened and there were no arrests, nobody being held for questioning? Axl and his entourage got to just board a plane and the TSA agents stood there with their thumbs up their asses? Anyone else would have been cuffed and dragged away, not allowed on a flight.

If Madison had done proper investigation she wouldn't have perpetuated her lies. She had some sort of weird fucked up agenda and thank God Axl finally called her on it.

and what would she have to gain from this "agenda" exactly?

Seriously. I mean, honest to god, where did this start then? Do the Axlites honestly think she just sat around one day and said "Hmm, what lie can I pull out of my ass...let's see..oh, I'm going to say Axl is banning Slash shirts from the shows!"

I was a sports writer for 10 years and covered a lot of college and professional athletes and coaches. And I would need more than two hands to count the amount of times that coaches or players said something candidly to me, clear as day, on my recorder. Then, after seeing it in print the next day and dealing with the backlash, got really angry and retracted their statements and claimed they never gave that quote and tried to point the finger at me.

I think that's what we're seeing here with Axl.

If I remember, Fernando shot down the Slash/shirt rumor but Madison insisted on perpetuating it. Why???? What possible source did she have that was better?

I don't agree we're seeing Axl freaking out and retracting his statement. What we're seeing is Axl getting pissed at all the bullshit that Madison perpetuated about statements/instructions he never made in the first place.

Nothing personal, but Fernando is Axl's answer to the Iraqi Minister of Information.

I think that Dexter should be the new mod. This place would look like the internet version of Liberia in a week!

MyGNRForum was like a safe haven for me. Really, many forums out there are all team Axl and not really team Guns N' Roses. This episode really killed it for me. Sure she banned people but she always had logic to back up her legitmate arguments and people hated her for that too. She was more upset at people posting off-topic than for worshiping Axl or insulting Slash. As someone said here once, banning doesn't mean anything anymore. This was still pretty much a free forum where anyone could speak their mind. Madison losing her status after arguing with Axl is shocking.

Nobody really argued with Axl though. She said something Axl didn't like and Axl attacked her and publicly dressed her down.

Does this man live in some sort of reality distortion field? He clearly HAS done stuff like this in the past, and its not unreasonable to believe that he could be capable of it again given his track record. Another example of T.A.B: Typical Axl Behavior. While I love GNR in all its different incarnations, people like Axl hate the internet because there is now a way of actually researching and documenting lies and distortions and misinformation. Ive been on this board in the past and never thought much of Madison but this kind of stuff just makes Axl look small. Any GNR fan worth their salt has seen the Rock in Rio concert, so for him to flat out lie about his antics and behavior really says a lot about how he feels about his fanbase. Wasn't it Axl himself who said: "You think anyone with an IQ over 15 is gonna believe your shit?"

Joined today, 1 post... is this Madison? lol

Ha! Im pretty sure I was banned ages and ages ago by her at some point! Wasnt trying to cause trouble then, and not trying to now.