SuperSock

You know what to end this BS, i am sorry for being apart of the trolling BS and making it worse

From now on I am just going to ignore it, and choose my words more carefully so it does not come off as bashing.

That will make everyone happy and it will make the board a better place.

We are all fans and should not be fighting over trival stuff.

You are right, and this is getting stupid, we should all be happy Axl is touring again and actually talking to the fans.

See, now that wasn't so hard. I'm proud of ya, Dave.

Koombayah, my lord...Koombayah...

I say we all just over and all try to get along.

Dave, we've had our disagreements recently, many of them, and they've gotten heated. But, that was a move on your part that demands respect and you certainly have mine for that.

Ali

Thanks and if you see any of my posts you think may rub people the wrong way, shoot me a PM and Ill do my best to reword it better.

Applause!! honorable move Dave!!

You know what to end this BS, i am sorry for being apart of the trolling BS and making it worse

From now on I am just going to ignore it, and choose my words more carefully so it does not come off as bashing.

That will make everyone happy and it will make the board a better place.

We are all fans and should not be fighting over trival stuff.

You are right, and this is getting stupid, we should all be happy Axl is touring again and actually talking to the fans.

See, now that wasn't so hard. I'm proud of ya, Dave.

Koombayah, my lord...Koombayah...

I say we all just over and all try to get along.

Great, that's the real GN'R fan. I'm proud of you too.

This is a massive move to make this a better place, hope it holds true- Nice Post Dave

I didn't read any of your 4/5 posts on this page but I can assume they were along the lines of:

Axl is a dick

Beta is a dick

02 band was better

This whole situation is a joke

Everyone on here lacks common sense but me

You just described gnr-dave perfectly.

The guy should write a book. He IS the most knowlegable forum member on Axl's life. Hell, he knows Axl better than Axl knows himself!!!!

I also love how he can't disagree with somebody without insulting them. Sort of shows how strong is "thoughts" are.

He is good for a laugh though.

I guess you miss the people giving me shit first, but of course you ignore that part.

You know what I am saying is true but you just want to kiss Axls ass and pretend its not.

Its funny you left that part out.

No Dave. I didn't miss the part where people have bashed you. It's because you CONSISTENTLY post negative comments about Axl. There is a small group of people on this forum that bash Axl on a daily basis, for everything the does. Axl could could cure cancer, solve world hunger and end all wars, put out an album that sold 50 million copies and 12 number one hits.............. and there are people on this forum would would come on and bash him. "How dare he cure cancer, what an egotistical prick. Look at all the doctors he just cost money. Nurse will be fired. Hospitals will have to raise the prices for other illness's now."

Fans just get tired of the constant bashing.

And besides your constant bashing of Axl, you do two other things that rub people the wrong way.

You seem to always resond to people who disagree with you two ways: you use the "common sense" insult or you make personal attacks against them. And the most annoying one of all --- if somebody is a fan or agrees with Axl, guys like YOU always throw out the "kiss Axl's ass" or swining on Axl's nuts comments.

Dave, I'm 39 years old. I have a great job that I love. I own my own home. I coach little league baseball, attend church every Sunday, coach special olympics, am raising a child as a single parent........."kissing Axl's ass" is just a stupid statement by you, soley designed to insult and discredit me (or anybody else that you disagree with). I could give a fuck if Axl reads my posts or not. If I was 12 years old, I might hope that Axl would read my post, send me a PM, and we'd strike up a great friendship. But at my age, I don't post here to kiss anybody's ass. That is just a ridiculous and juvenile thing for you to say.

I am never going to meet Axl. I'm never going to talk to Axl. I have no reason to kiss his ass - nor anybody's ass. I'm a grown man, my life doesn't work that way. I don't "kiss ass" of anybody. You treat people with dignity and respect, and that's how I live my life. If I ever found myself in the position where I was kissing a rock singer's ass, I would delete my account and step away from the computer and go outside and enjoy the real world.

People would respect your posts and respond in a non-insulting way, if you did the same thing. You are a passionate guy on here, but you need to realize that you really don't know what is going on behind the scenes in Axl's life. Because of a few internet articles and following axl's career through the media, you've come up with a vision of Axl's life in your mind that you ASSUME is fact. Unfortunately, no matter how strongly YOU feel about something - it doesn't make it fact. And unless you are able to respectful accept other people's opinions (even if you disagree) and then have a respectful debate about it - people will continue bashing you.

If you feel people bash you --- ignore those people. Don't fall down to their level.

I almost always disagree with your posts, because you are always bashing Axl, and because you come off like a know-it-all and you are really matter-of-fact about your "opinion" being fact, and if somebody disagrees with you - you always resort to insulting them as a person. ATTACK THE IDEA, NOT THE POSTER. And lose the "kissing Axl's ass" angle. People could say the same thing about you. Are you posting the negative shit all the time, hoping that Axl will read it and get his feelings hurt? Then you can sit back at your computer and pat yourself on the back? "I really got Axl with that one!"

Apollo, as you can see from this thread,, I never start off with insulting posts until certain people start up with that.

Look at the whole TM thing for example, everyone was discussing it fine, until a few people started in, then it went down hill.

People get pissy because I am not 100 pro Axl, then once they start with personal stuff, I start with it

The thread was going fine until JungleCat made his stupid comment that added nothing to the debate.

All he did was cupcake in this thread and detrailed it. He is the one who brought in the name calling.

Look at all the posts before his, everyone was playing nice. I even ignored his first two insults.

I treat the posters with respect that give me respect. Have I ever insulted you? Nope.

Its a two way street. People love to bait on this board then cry when I or others insult back eventhough that person started it.

The mods need to start taking action at the first insult then it wont esculate to what it does. It seems its only ok to bash if you are "defending" Axl.

As for me always bashing Axl, that is simply not true, I will make a statement and it can be mostly good and a few parts where is critizing Axl, then the usual suspects will jump on the few parts that they deemed not positive.

Example, where I said Axl sounds decent but he does not sound any where close to the 80s or even 90s,. and that gets turned into Dave said Axl sounds like crap.

Ok Dave, You call yourself a GN'R fan?

What are you constantly saying is that:

You don't like how Axl sounds, you think his voice is gone, his voice isn't close to what it was, he disrespects his fans, he beats people, he is dickhead, he is crazy, sick and everyone are aware of that exept few of us on this board that wears AXL ROSE colored glasses. Everyone who doesn't agree with you are kissing Axl's ass. You don't like Beta, Fernando, you think that all those who surround him are 'yes-man' people, with no personality.

And the best part of all is that you think that Chinese democracy was the biggest joke in rock and it suck.

So, you think somebody bashing you?

Frankly, I just don't know what to debate with you.

And yes, you call yourself a fan, OK, but tell me why???

Agree 100% Most of us here actually like GNR and also Chinese Democracy-so why all the seething hatred and snarky comments out of a few contributors? An opinion does not equal fact, however often repeated.

Yet another moron we should just ignore...

Yes,another Moron who has taken us into the new, unexplored land of "Tweet Reviews" what's next?

NEU-YORK and Amy, if you dont have anything to add to the discuss then just dont say anything.

If people would just debate the points instead of attacking me then things would go a lot smoother, but of course they cannot debate what I said because you know I am right.

And I would not have to repeate my self of people like Ali and his crew would just stick what I am saying instead of going off topic by trying to bash me.

So here is what we can do, we can just agree to disagree and move on.

People just need to stop attacking anyone that does not kiss Axls ass and makes a simple criticsm of him.

People claim oh Im a hater because I dont think Axl sounds as good as he did in the 90s like some are claiming.

Was at Montreal& Quebec city this yr,2010, at numerous gigs in 2006 Hammerstein,& others in US & AU. The band sounds killer now-FACT.

You must be damaged to try to elicit this kind of response from people, and I still call bullshit on your e-psychology babble-

you have an opinion you state as fact,and claim everyone else is wrong, you aren't speaking truth you are talking out your ass,

Damn near everyone has crawled your idiotic posts, What the hell is wrong with you? That is, aside from Trollitis and presumed self-importance-get real or shut up!!

Dave-shut the hell up with your e-psychology, your fucked up opinions that you constantly try to pass off as truth, you have a serious mental deficiency that makes you come here day after day, spouting out the same putrid bullshit- you are an obsessed psycho and everyone is tired of your trailer- park rhetoric

Supersuck, you know I am right, google what I said. Axl rose and bipolar, tell me what comes up.

No you are not right, you are a pathetic, attention-seeking, ignorant Dweeb, typing down the river of crap that flows from your deluded mind,I call bullshit on your supposed psychology degree, Why in the fuck do you waste hours posting shit and innapropriate comments on a band you obviously don't like?

I think It's you that is fucked in the head,and laughable that you come to the conclusion that everybody is wrong but you and your repetitive shitslinging at GNR, you are disturbed, deluded, demented,douchified dickhead--crawl back under your rock little man-Psychology degree my ass What a trollfuck you are, How many gigs have you actually been present at recently? I would be willing to guess none-so shut the fuck up

psycho!!

Dave-shut the hell up with your e-psychology, your fucked up opinions that you constantly try to pass off as truth, you have a serious mental deficiency that makes you come here day after day, spouting out the same putrid bullshit- you are an obsessed psycho and everyone is tired of your trailer- park rhetoric

Yo Dave! Mr bullshit artist!

Guess what? I couldn't give a rat's ass about anything you're saying, but the problem is, the same boring shit keeps hitting me in the face which ever thread I go to, whether it's about the new manager or the fucking weather.

If you want, start a personal blog somewhere, (or even a thread if you want) called 'gnr-dave' and fill it with your shit.

Write a goddamn book for all I care. Because no one else on here repetitively spews their same shitty opinions regardless of the topic in every thread at anyone and everyone who disagrees.

Seconded-

Chaos, I know full well what respect means, but I have none for the few people that come here day after day with the sole intention of bashing GNR incessantly, turning every positive into a negative personal Dig at the band-These people deserve no respect at all, they are obsessed and deluded,all in all not too bright, on the precipice of insane cretinism. No respect due.

There are a few of us that were fans of the original lineup and evolved, continuing to be Gunners with the changes,through the bad times and good, and are still Gunners after all these years.

Once you've heard a real rock band,it's in your soul +heart, you roll with the punches and celebrate when times are good-like now, just as excited and into the music as I ever was!

Edit: That list is complete and utter shit.

More Bullshit Speculation and lies, she has been photoed with Dan McMillan recently, why do people insist on spreading refuse around the net? It is shit like this that turns up on TMZ and Sludge as "the truth".

Meds? More crapola,unconfirmed,unknown shit.

Can't everyone be glad "It is what it is",enjoy the times,the concerts, the tweets, without overanalyzing, posting false assumptions, and Digging up negative nonsense to drag everyone's good spirits down? thought this trend was over.

Everything is looking up- I'm staying positive, it's a great time to be a GNR fan !!

unless you are a obsessive deranged cupcake,with an agenda.

The gigs have been great, the tweets are an added bonus;

It's all good!!

+1

Axl is bipolar FACT, read your gnr history, he is manic depressive.

Axl got hair plugs FACT, didnt he even admit it?

MEDS, is he on them, who knows, he could be to help with the bipolar, but nothing is wrong with that.

Stop denying what is already widely known as the truth.

Just because you dont want to believe it doesnt mean its not true

Axl is bipolar - FALSE. Axl himself said in late '08 on one his message board posts that he is not in fact been diagnosed as bipolar.

Axl got hair plugs and has admitted it - SPECULATION/FALSE. It's only been speculated, never proven he had this done. He has never admitted it.

MEDS - no one's business but his. Only he can declare if that is true or false, not anyone from any message board. But, it is irrelevant to us and none of our damn business.

All these things are irrelevant to us and/or none of our business as fans of Axl Rose the artist - FACT.

Ali

Agreed 100 % ,Very nice way to kick the cupcake in his teeth Ali! -FACT

It is pretty obvious what has changed.

Axl finally got a decent hair transplant. Now he feels like his old self again.

With that said. The bootlegs have been great keep rocking AXL & CO!!!

Proof Please, or stop spreading rumors.

Yes; the gigs have been nothing short of spectacular but that's

Guns N' Roses-unpredictable, brilliant,never dull-and don't play by established "rules". Gotta love em'

You started it?

Bones-

Nah-It was SPRINGCLEAN!! Same OP as this "topic".

Ok, I'm still an old GNR guy and always will be, but its refreshing to see Axl back on the road and further, seeming to have a good time. His posts on Twitter and visits to the forum indicate at least in part that he wants to be more connected to the fans, for better or worse. We know nothing will ever be conventional with him, so that comes with the territory and quite frankly is part of his persona, but what changed or what clicked that's got Axl doing the things he's doing now? It's a loaded and speculative question, but you have to admit it's very intriguing...there just wasn't this 'feel' about him in '02 or even '06 - that those shows were done more for money than pleasure. He appears to actually be enjoying these '09-'10 shows. Does he finally have some guys he's truly comfortable with, or is it something else?

I'd love for him to address this but that isn't likely, so I'm curious to hear everyone's thoughts.

Maybe he is on antidepressants or in love? Or maybe is just glad there's finally a product out to promote and sick of the larger than life Howard Hughes status that he had from 2002-2006?

It's great he's connecting more to the fans, but what does that gain anyone as long as he's not connected to the band and vice versa? They don't even use the same car/bus/van to the venues and stuff and you don't ever see them hanging out together or doing promotion together. It speaks volumes.

What is Twitter and the online chatter all about? Small talk and defiance, Slash this, nonsense that, he is always defending himself out of general principle. No insight on the music, no insight on the band, nothing. I would trade those silly Twitter updates for the dark and mysterious Axl Rose from 2002-2006 any day.

someone told(an insider) that axl and volkova(?? dunno the name) are waiting twins! he is getting mature people.. !

More Bullshit Speculation and lies, she has been photoed with Dan McMillan recently, why do people insist on spreading refuse around the net? It is shit like this that turns up on TMZ and Sludge as "the truth".

Meds? More crapola,unconfirmed,unknown shit.

Can't everyone be glad "It is what it is",enjoy the times,the concerts, the tweets, without overanalyzing, posting false assumptions, and Digging up negative nonsense to drag everyone's good spirits down? thought this trend was over.

Everything is looking up- I'm staying positive, it's a great time to be a GNR fan !!

unless you are a obsessive deranged cupcake,with an agenda.

The gigs have been great, the tweets are an added bonus;

It's all good!!

And those idiots, who seem to keep spreading this whole 'Anti-Axl' movement should really stop cuz' it ain't cool it's just fucking with things that shouldn't be fucked with..Dave.

Bones-

Sound like "You're either with us or against us." as used by George W. Bush. If you live up to that, sooner or later you will be alone out there. It's FRIENDS that criticise you. Your enemy just waits watching you go down until criticism has no more value for you.

Just because I question Axl's perception of the "internet-fans" doesn't give you the right to call me an idiot or "Anti-Axl".

I'm anti bullshit and if that bullshit comes from Axl himself I'm still anti-bullshit. And it is indeed bullshit to throw fans the same garbage can with people who spread lies and bullshit about the band. There are no "internet-fans" there are only fans, regardless the medium they are using.

I'm not calling you an Anti, i was actually refering about Dave.

Refresh my memory OP,Who was it that started the "Secret gigs are Stupid" thread- nod,nod,wink,wink

If it weren’t for "internet" fans, Axl would have no fans, which are the ones that kept him with for the past 10 years, oh yeah those same Internet fans he is bitching about now.

And now that is convenient for Axl, he is using the Internet, go figure.

It's aimed at idiotic haters like you, who don't attend gigs but sit in your cupcake hole and type negative opinions as if they are truth, spouting off incessantly like someone with tourettes syndrome.

Clear that up for you?

So Axl had one of the best managers in the biz and the guy is runs ticketmaster and Axl cuts ties with him for this Doc guy.

Doc is a yesman, and Az was not, that is why Az is gone.

Hopefully he did not burn any bridges, so he can get gigs in the US.

Oh,so you know both of them personally? Does "Az" as you refer to him visit you much? how special, does he wear your BFF bracelet?

Only one off the deep end is you! Doesn't matter what happens or who says what you always manage to inject your stupid negativity into it, you are a trollish bottomfeeder,go post on a jonas brothers forum, and shut up badmouthing GNR.

It means Axl can't write a good rock song.

And of course you could do so much better

I happen to like that song .

Nice Post I'm still wondering what a "fair tale" is!!

It's a deep and multifaceted song, but what I glean from it is in between "never choose popularity over integrity" and "If all of your wishes come true,some of your Dreams may die", It's bittersweet a bit melancholy and the perfect song to end the Album.

The fact is GNR are doing what they want to do, and from the look of it are having a good time doing it, It's a great thing to do in between legs of the tour, Some pics and vids are available-

It's a positive thing!!

Answer: They are online now-okay?

This is from 2002!! Christ people,stop bumping ancient threads!

Don't stir shit,some is liable to splash on you

I know people like you on here dont like using common sense but how many years did it take CD to come out after they canceled those shows that Axl claimed was to finished up the album and release it.

The answer is TWO, you really dont think they could have finished those 4 or 5 shows and still released the album on the same day it was released?

Its one thing if they canceled those shows then released CD that next summer but that is not what happened.

How does your reply event pertain to my post? It's nice to see how you pigeon-hole people through your self-perceived, deluded notions by the mere act of them just disagreeing with you. You are absolutely ridiculous. You don't know a thing about objectivity. Years ago when you supported everything Axl did you used the same rhetoric. You only deal in absolutes. Thus, you are highly irrational.

You are the one and others like you on this board that are not objectionable. You are too scared or ignorant to call Axl on it when he is being an asshole or when he is wrong.

You need to step into reality one of these days, a lot of people do and stop looking through (Axl) Rose colored classes.

And I stand by what I said, secret gigs are stupid when its not even real fans at the shows and its just the trendy people who dont even know the new songs or who the new members even are.

You cannot honestly disagree with that.

Look,were you there? Prove to me absolutely that no "real fans" were there, and even if no one there meets your criteria

I don't think You are a real fan,not in the least-how do you know that nobody knew the members or the new songs? You are a know it all that knows nothing,except how to mangle words, and state your opinion as if it were truth,repeating the ridiculous redundancy endlessly.

The secret gigs aren't stupid,GNR are out and playing gigs-maybe to some potential new fans,that is a great thing as far as I'm concerned, You have made an ass out of yourself and I for one am sick of you slagging GNR,you are a hater and a cupcake, Go find a band you actually like and stop shooting off your mouth-you obviously haven't engaged your brain,and if you are truly this stupid and full of hate then I feel "sorry for you".

You really need to learn to read, are you really that brain damaged?

I said only a few real fans got in and mostly posers and rich snobs got into the show. How do you I know that? I already said, incase you are too slow to remember, a poster at the gnr bar went and said that.

Its during fashion week, of course mostly rich snobs are getting in. Ask Keneda if most people there knew the new songs, he will tell you no. Only a handful of people even knew the words to the new songs.

You really need to learn to read full posts and not just want your warped brain wants to.

I did not make an ass out of out myself, you are doing that to yourself because you cannot read.

You also need to learn the meaning or hater or cupcake.

So once again, since you are impared in the brain.

This gigs are stupid if real fans are being turned away at the door when rich snobs who do not even know who is even in the band are getting in.

How can you even disagree with that? I am not sure if you tried to get in and were turned away for some trendy wanna be who isnt even a fan got it you would change your turn.

Look Bozo, you don't even make sense, do you generally class people who have money as "rich snobs"? And If I can find a poster named "KENEDA" I'll be surprised, you can't make a coherent statement and Again it's a Good Thing GNR are playing these gigs, It is exposure and is apparantly what they have chosen to do, your opinion isn't going to change a thing so

find something else to whine about, it isn't your call how to run GNR, and some of us are sick and fucking tired of you constantly, neverendingly, bashing GNR for no good reason except that maybe you enjoy the negative attention? You need serious help, and spell check! Now shut the hell up typhoid Mary and stop spreading your disease all over the place.You are a plague here, fucking Beach!!

madison, if you're mad at axl and mad at this forum and mad at the mods, then quit posting here. it's the same thing you used to tell others who'd hijack threads with their moaning and complaining.

time to move on.

She would have banned herself by now, Good Advice HRS!!

Are you reading this "hon"?