SacDogg

Check out Tapper Zukie, Big Youth, I Roy, Prince Far I, Johnny Clarke if you like your roots How do you mean ALL of Buju's trouble?

Great recommendations.

Addicts often turn to selling the drug in order to fund their own habit. The people I have no sympathy for are the sellers of cocaine who don't actually use the product themselves.

In other words, I would have respect for Benton if he actually did turn out to be a cocaine abuser because that alone would be an acceptable explanation.

Another of his problems is obviously the 'gay' thing. For someone to go out of their way to make a 'gay' song is a sign of trouble.

Is all of Buju Banton's trouble from cocaine use?

I am more of a Roots reggae listener...Jacob Miller, Barrington Levy, Black Uhuru, Burning Spear, Peter Tosh.

Roots reggae

Roots reggae is a sub genre of reggae that concerns itself with the spiritual side of Rastafari and with the honoring of their God, Jah. It also is identified with the life of the ghetto sufferer, and the rural poor. Lyrical themes include spirituality, poverty, Black pride, social issues, resistance to government and racial oppression, repatriation, and Rastafari. From Wikipedia

Here is probably the best reggae song there is... best because of what he says and how emotional he is when he sings it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJI08X5CtcM&feature=embed

Anyone here any updates on Buju Banton? Figured maybe one of the reggae experts in here could help. I got Rasta Got Soul this past month and thought it was great. Then, starting searching for an update on his charges, but the most recent article I found was from back in March. Looks like he could be gone for awhile, but maybe someone could shed some light on anything new.

US court denies Buju separate trial

Published: Wednesday | July 14, 2010

Buju Banton - ContributedArthur Hall, Senior Staff Reporter

A COURT in the United States (US) has rejected a request from reggae superstar Buju Banton to be tried separately from his two co-accused.

The trial is now set to begin in early September with the start date to be set at a status conference on August 4.

Government prosecutors are expected to take three to four days to present their arguments, while the defence is expected to take three days to present its case.

Buju and his two co-accused were arrested late last year and charged with conspiracy with intent to distribute five kilograms or more of cocaine and possession of a firearm in furtherance of a drug-trafficking crime.

The three have been in custody since then awaiting trial.

http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20100714/lead/lead8.html

Ignored? Compared to how worthless it is, it gets way to much radio airplay. It really sucks. One of two genres where I can't think of one song I like. The other one is techno and all it's shitty sub-genres.

Reggae gets too much airplay? I've never even heard a non-Bob Marley reggae song played once on the radio.

Guess you don't remember 2007 much.

Hey Satanisk, Reggae is the music of the Kings. It is what God listens to. Rap may be played in heaven for the souls, but inside his house is island music. It certainly isn't 'worthess', its value is increased exponentially when combined with drugs.

So because SRV extended the original into a jam and Jimi didn't, that makes him the better guitarist? You should debate the Clapton version against SRV's.

Music contains three elements. They are: Melody, Rhythm, & Harmony. Every artist is strong in one area, perhaps in two. James Brown was all Rhythm, George Harrison was melody.

What we must remember about Rock music is that it is 'Riff-based', which means that there aren't normally 'bridges' and the theme is repetitive; think along the lines of "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction". Mostly, the songs have a Verse and Chorus. Blues follows the AAB lyrical format when used in a 12 bar pattern.

Derek and the Dominos' version of Hendrix's "Little Wing" gives us that repeating rhythmic-riff right off that bat in order to satisfy our aural needs. Clapton adds the same opening riff as a short pre-verse right before, "Well she's walking...." . In addition, the vocals are recorded in harmony. Together, they push Melody out.

The brain wants the repetition found in a heavy Rock back-beat, and that is what you find in this cover of "Little Wing". To imagine this syncopated 'off' beat accent which is the basis of Rock, we will use none other than "We Will Rock You" by Queen as a reference point. The multi-layered clap is the back-beat.

Visually, it looks like 1--2--34. That accent in bold is the 2nd beat, it will happen again on the 4th.

This 'big beat' comes directltly from African drumming which slaves brought to New Orleans. There is even an area there called 'Congo Square', now named Louis Armstrong Park, where the slaves were allowed to play drums, concregate freely, and especially dance. The slave owners encouraged the slaves to procreate so that there would be a larger labor supply, though the owners would have to approve a relationship first. Sometimes the slave master would give a newly married slave couple their own sleeping quarters together in order to aid the coming of children.

Rhythm and Harmony dominate this version of "Little Wing", whereas Hendrix's is Melody and Rhythm. In other words, Clapton wasn't trying to lay down anything that would compete with Jimi.

SRV did so much more than just make it into a 'Dead Jam'. He took the song as far as it would go. At the end was an ocean preventing them from going any further without boats.

Congo Square in New Orleans, circa- late 1700s

Look at his/her posts in the "Homosexuality Drug" thread, and you'll see that SacDogg is the worst poster on all of Mygnr, now that AxlKnows is banned.

Some argue it's the same fucking person.

Could be the she-bitch that won't be named.

Sounds like the theory of meth-heads in a Ménage à trois.

You could just ask me if I have ever had another screen-name.

That didn't make any sense, but, yeah, sure.

Your's didn't either. What is 'worst poster' supposed to mean? Worst at being Liberal?

I mentioned a musical term from a college class and suddenly I am accused of being a 'racist'. To me, that means that anyone who is critical of the application of that musical term to the current discussion of Kanye, Eminem, and 50 Cent, must also discount the rest of college learning for some peculiar reason.

I hereby nominate SacDogg for "Worst poster in My World" in the 2010 Mygnrforum awards.

Yeah, I know....actually having to think is make brain hurt!

College is for nerds.

50 Cent is the voice of the generation because he has a black timbre to his voice

Nonsense. Absolute fucking nonsense.

You unfairly altered my post mentioning timbre and did a very poor job in the process, I never said anything even close to what you manufactured and claimed I supposedly wrote.

A black timbre? You are the only one who said such a thing. The word 'timbre' is beyond your comprehension capabilities. It shoudn't be that difficult for you though since the term is part of a freshman level college Jazz History course, so perhaps you just need to go back to High School for another year first. It's o.k. man, we will support you.

Here is some of it back at you....

Bob Dylan doesn't fucking matter.

How could you say something like that about Dylan, the ultimate writer of the 60s generation?

Just as long as it isn't a 'Killers cover'!

It will be difficult for Plant to find material that is as close to him as the covers he shared on the VH1 Storytellers episode; 'Darkness, Darkness' originally by The Youngbloods, and 'Morning Dew' by Tim Rose, a song which Plant says Bonham played on drums every morning in order to warm up. The chills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gts7jp7YcKo&feature=embed

SRV was great a blues, that is just one of the styles Hendrix did. Stevie was great but he ain't got the belt.

What style other than Blues was Jimi? I am genuinely curious since he obviously wasn't a Latin Rock player like Carlos Santana or Robbie Krieger. He was proficient in Surf guitar, but then again so was SRV.

Both men dabbled a bit in Jazz. Neither did Bluegrass (though it would have been nice!).

Some music is deeper than Blues, like with Sam Cooke's 'A Change Is Gonna Come'. In the case we have here, both men were capable, but SRV's hands were stronger.

SRV played this alone in the studio totally improvised without any backing tracks to listen to, they added the drums, bass, and keyboards afterwards.

That didn't really answer my question, but okay.

The Beatles begin and end it...The Beatles are John Lennon. Once he was murdered, a cap was placed on the music. It is a way of protecting something beautiful.

While it's true that all of these bands are 'rock', that's even more broad than 'classic rock'. What I'm referring to is the sub-genres. Progressive rock, glam rock, hard rock, art rock, folk rock, southern rock, blues rock, garage rock and all that good ol' stuff that actually does describe the music. Classic rock does NOT describe the music much at all. If you throw a band in my face and tell me they're from the 70's, I don't know what kind of music that band plays. That's about as useful as classic rock is.

EDIT: And your big claim that classic rock is only allowed up to the year 1980 is based on absolutely nothing. Bob Seger's Nine Tonight isn't classic rock? lol

There is no claim, I was just explaining why certain music is called Classic Rock. It describes the music very acurately because it refers to Blues based music from '62-80. It is also a term used to describe what the music isn't, Classic Rock isn't 80s hair metal. That whole sub-genre thing is better left for later since it is a whole other argument.

The Wikipedia page for the above referenced LP states that Nine Tonight was recorded over the course of two different concerts in 1980. As long as it is recorded in 1980, it counts.

Think of it this way, the reunion concert that Cream played this past decade was filled with Classic Rock songs. However, the recording made of the concert is not Classic Rock since it is way too late now to be added to a back catalog.

Alternatively, if a long lost recording of Eric Clapton and George Harrison from 1975 suddenly surfaced, it for sure would be Classic Rock.

As for throwing a band at you, I wouldn't just say they were from the 70s since that could include Reggae such as Bob Marley and The Wailers or Hip-Hop by The Sugarhill Gang.

I think somewhere i missed something because i have absolutely no idea what you're talking about What does being heavily listened to or being hard bands have to do with inclusion in The British Invasion? And who said Herman's Hermits are classic rock? And what does that even have to do with anything? You've completely lost me.

The original post was about a group of people who put on a British Invasion themed tribute concert. Since I am a Blues-man, I am more drawn to British Invasion bands with a strong Blues and/or Jazz influence and a bit of emotional depth, perhaps due to group-wide drug use. That is what 'hard' is, as well as having the balls to release a concept album.

When you mentioned The Hollies I thought of 'He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother', and how it relates to Vietnam, a conflict highly associated with drug use. Which of all these British Invasion bands let their drug use be known through their music?

Drugs are what connects everything in the 60s.

Janis Joplin gave Eric Burdon his first hit of acid by placing it in his hand unbeknownst to him until he looked down after she had continued on by.

TuPac was the voice of that specific generation since he spoke to both blacks and whites. Kurt did not come to represent blacks in the early-mid 90s. Simple math.

I never said I preferred 50 Cent over Eminem, they are both equally talented. What I am saying is that the sound quality of the voice of 50 Cent is of higher quality.

Could you please point out where I supposedly said "blacker" voice? I don't know what that means either. You have confused us both with that one.

What about Asians? Native Americans? Eskimos? I don't think finding out how many ethnic groups a particular artist appeals to will help you conclude anything.

The "sound quality"? What the hell does that mean? Can he hit higher notes than Em? If so, how does that even matter? They're rappers, not opera singers. It's not even relevant to the subject - the definition of a so-called "voice of a generation" is someone who is the best representative of the generation in question; a spokesman, an iconic figure.

For some reason you implied that Eminem tried to have a "black" voice, and thus implying that having a black voice was somehow a factor in being the voice of a generation.

TuPac Shakur is the voice of all races, especially those people from Asia. I expect his music to be blasted from military vehicles over loud speakers when the US invades North Korea. The Don Killuminati is who they listen to in Africa.

Afghanistan is part of West Asia, and US troops over there listen to TuPac probably more than any other artist.

By sound quality, I am referring to a musical term known as 'timbre'. If you listen to any singer or instrument player, you can hear his or her timbre if you listen close enough. Black is what counts where voice is concerned, so yes it is a factor. Are you gonna downplay its importance? It has been the most sought after thing in music since the mid 50s.

I didn't imply that Em tries to have a black voice though. Also, it is not possible for 50 Cent to have a 'blacker' voice than anyone since black is black. It either is or it isn't.

What I am saying is that if a white person is going to be the voice of a generation, he or she must sing black as Janis Joplin and Elvis did. They were they last two white voices of particular generations. What this means is that they appealed to blacks as well as whites. I wish Kurt would appeal to more black people, but he just doesn't.

The only reason it was brought it up is because Kanye is claiming to be the voice of this generation. Kanye's nemesis, 50 cent, is better suited for that position. One of the many reasons being that he is not actively seeking it.

Can you name a more iconic song than 'In da Club'? Eminem and Dre produced 50 Cent, so they all share the credit anyways. I would be surprised if Eminem himself didn't agree that 50 deserves it.

Wow, SacDogg you know a lot about music and stuff.

It's the drugs talking! ha ha

I'm sorry, you are correct. Classic Rock is anything from 1962-1980.

Says who? The music police?

Says the fact that The Beatles made and released their first recordings in 1962 and Lennon gave us his final album in 1980. Therefore, 1979's 'The Wall' is the last Classic Rock album that Pink Floyd released. Their biggest hit song off that album also became song of the year in Britain in 1980. That is the fitting end it needs.

Am I the only one that hates the term Classic Rock? Sounds so fucking stupid...not to mention it's one of the vaguest terms out there along with Indie.

It is the best term because it specifically describes the music which is contained within. However, it is agreed that Indie gives no musical information and is not a genre in the least bit. It is just a trendy saying.

That strong blues start began with The Animals' 'The House of the Rising Sun', which was actually an 19th century Work Song from America's slavery times. That release alone changed the scope of Rock music because it set a precedent for what Rock could aspire to be...pure blues. Eric Burdon, singer for The Animals, abandoned Britain in favor of the West Coast rock scene and cemented that decision by performing at the Monterey Pop Festival in California during 1967's Summer of Love. During that concert, he sang The Stones 'Paint It Black' with a new incarnation of The Animals; the original recording of the song had set another precedent back in 1966 for its use of the North Indian sitar, by way of Brian Jones.

Uh...thank you?

Thanks for your post, though I disagree about what should be part of British Invasion Rock. I would only add The Kinks, Donovan, and The Hollies to the list... as well as The Zombies on further thought. The rest do not have a heavily listened-to catalog nor are they 'hard' bands. I am going by what is listened to on the Classic Rock and Deep Tracks stations on Sirius satellite radio, the former of the two being broadcast from the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, as well as years of listening to local Classic Rock stations in Los Angeles. The Hollies did have four rock hits, so that is impressive.

Herman's Hermits aren't Classic Rock even though they fall within the time frame, they are simply a pop group. The band may technically be British Invasion, but they wouldn't be part of any Rock tribute to the time.

That's because it's a radio format and not a genre. It works fine as a radio format, though.

Damn right its not a genre, the genre is Rock. The 'Classic' part refers to a time period of 18 historical years...hence there is limit to who is allowed. It isn't strictly a radio format though, the bands still exist in the Classic Rock category without radio around. For instance, a Classic Rock cover band, Classic Rock t-shirt designs, or a Classic Rock compilation disc. Radio formats have no involvement in any of the uses of the term. Furthermore, radio did not develop the terminology to begin with. People were the ones who decided what Classic Rock would be by choosing what they wanted to listen to.

I am sure you know this, but 80s music is not Classic Rock. The music would have had to have been released in the year 1980 to be considered, therefore AC/DC's Back In Black, Lennon's Double Fantasy, and Empty Glass by Townshend, as well as others, will count.

Their generation? You mean my generation. Eminem may be a better rapper if you are strictly speaking of skills, but 50 Cent has the voice...and he can actually sing. No matter how hard Em tries, he won't be having a real black voice.

The last white person who resided as the voice of a generation was Janis Joplin.

Just because you prefer an artist over another doesn't make the artist you prefer "the voice of a generation"; nor does being a better singer or having a "blacker" (wtf) voice. People that are labeled the voice of a generation should be a someone who represents the generation in question through their music.

And the last white person I can think of who has frequently been labeled the voice of a generation is Kurt Cobain, not Janis Joplin.

TuPac was the voice of that specific generation since he spoke to both blacks and whites. Kurt did not come to represent blacks in the early-mid 90s. Simple math.

I never said I preferred 50 Cent over Eminem, they are both equally talented. What I am saying is that the sound quality of the voice of 50 Cent is of higher quality.

Could you please point out where I supposedly said "blacker" voice? I don't know what that means either. You have confused us both with that one.

The only question regarding British Invasion was whether it contained the top music of the Classic Rock era.

In that case, the answer is no. They generally started off bluesy and went off into sort of Music Hall and whimsy.

That strong blues start began with The Animals' 'The House of the Rising Sun', which was actually an 19th century Work Song from America's slavery times. That release alone changed the scope of Rock music because it set a precedent for what Rock could aspire to be...pure blues. Eric Burdon, singer for The Animals, abandoned Britain in favor of the West Coast rock scene and cemented that decision by performing at the Monterey Pop Festival in California during 1967's Summer of Love. During that concert, he sang The Stones 'Paint It Black' with a new incarnation of The Animals; the original recording of the song had set another precedent back in 1966 for its use of the North Indian sitar, by way of Brian Jones.

Put Nirvana (UK)

Nirvana is not Classic Rock, anything after 1980 cannot be considered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_%28UK_band%29

And, may I ask, what exactly constitutes "classic" rock?

You got me!

I'm sorry, you are correct. Classic Rock is anything from 1962-1980.

50-Cent better anyways, he the voice of the generation over Kayne. One thing for sure, it ain't gonna be no white person.

You're being a bit incoherent, my friend. Are you saying that the voice of their generation isn't a white person? Eminem is a far better candidate for "the voice of the generation" than both 50 and Kanye.

Their generation? You mean my generation. Eminem may be a better rapper if you are strictly speaking of skills, but 50 Cent has the voice...and he can actually sing. No matter how hard Em tries, he won't be having a real black voice.

The last white person who resided as the voice of a generation was Janis Joplin.

Put Nirvana (UK)

Nirvana is not Classic Rock, anything after 1980 cannot be considered.

Pink Floyd as a British invasion band?

Jeez Louise! You guys are something else. The poll is entitled: British Groups (60s-early 70s)

The only question regarding British Invasion was whether it contained the top music of the Classic Rock era. The other choices are San Francisco rock, Los Angeles rock, Southern Rock, and New York rock.

Bands from those regions would include Jefferson Airplane and The Grateful Dead for S.F., The Doors and Buffalo Springfield for L.A., The Velvet Underground and Dylan for New York, and Allman Brothers and Lynyrd Skynyrd for Southern.

to cover is one thing, but it takes a special gift to create.

SRV completely re-created 'Little Wing'; he replaced the vocals with more guitar and expanded on the musical themes of the song. If that is not enough, SRV's 'Riviera Paradise' edges out any of Hendrix's instrumentals.

We must remember, Jimi Hendrix's strength was the cover. The way that Rock works is by paying tribute and forgetting about being 'original', everything has already been done. If a band wanted to open for me on my tour and they informed me that they were 'all original', I would tell them to forget about it.

No one would argue that Hendrix's version of 'All Along The Watchtower' isn't more powerful than Dylan's simply because Bob was the one who 'created' it. Dylan even changed the way he played the song after hearing what Hendrix did with it.

Hendrix was the champ...until SRV took the belt. Don't get me wrong, Jimi remains the most important since he was the one who laid the ground work which SRV would come to use. What we are talking about here is where the finger touches the string....where the tire hits the pavement.

Q: Kobe or Jordan? A: The Black Mamba.

Yes building a skyscraper is ruining the world. A skyscraper that would have apartments for people to live in and provide shelter is ruining it.

Also do you have any images of what the tower would look like? If its supposed to be so ugly then show a picture of it "ruining the skyline"

Edit found a pic on google.

Doesn't look that bad compared to some skyscrapers.

A tall and massive building alters any city skyline. That is a big change and people might not appreciate having that monster around, it will literally block the view for thousands of people and be able to be seen from miles away. Go to Vegas if you want to build crap like that, they love that stuff there. Only rich people would be living in the Dublin tower anyways. Build housing for low-income and homeless people if you are supposedly the great rock band you claim to be, but don't make the structure offensive to the Irish.

You know what Jesus says about the rich.... It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich person to go to heaven.

50-Cent better anyways, he the voice of the generation over Kayne. One thing for sure, it ain't gonna be no white person.

Fair enough thats your view,but we were discussing the concert in turin!

If I was lucky enough to live in Dublin in the first place, it would be pretty unfortunate for my view to be obstructed by such a thing.

Don't you care what U2 is doing to the world? They are screwing it up.

64'-66'??

Zep were formed in 68'.

The questions had to do with Classic Rock bands from the 60s and early 70s.

The British Invasion was 64'-66'. By 1968, we had already been invaded. Besides, Jimmy Page was in the Yardbirds in 1966 and took over as lead guitar in October of that year. Page's new Yardbirds were formed to fulfill contractual obligations, the band then became Led Zeppelin. The song 'Dazed and Confused' and their cover of 'Train Kept A Rollin' are from that era.

Led Zeppelin, with all four members, was actually the new Yardbirds until October of 1968.