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    Do you consider Dizzy an original?

    in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS

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    yeah he's pretty useless, if anything i think his cheesy honky tonk piano sound ruined some Use Your Illusion tracks, Civil War for example.

    Oh really?

    I personally love it.

    The piano on most of UYI songs sounds great.

    Ruined may of been a bit too harsh, don't get me wrong i love Civil War and most of the Illusions for that matter, but something about the sound of his piano on those albums just kind of bugs me.

    However i love the piano on November Rain & Estranged, although I believe those are Axl... I may be wrong about that though.

    Would CD have made it "the best album ever" if released as a standard 10-track album?

    in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS

    Posted · Edited by gnrfan93

    Except we are not talking about those other albums we are talking about Chinese Democracy and fans rarely complain about poor production on UYI like they do ChiDem.....

    Even some of the ChiDem fans here are objective enough to admit that the production is a mess and is not what they like about the album......

    To deny people didn't have a problem with production on UYI is delusional. I don't think you mean that, you mean it sold a ton anyway. But there was some criticism of UYI even from within the band/Niven about the Elton Rose songs from fans saying it's not as good as AFD, Axl has lost it etc.

    I agree some people don't like the production of CD. I agree from track to track it changes and that is indulgent/messy. For the most part it holds together and the scope of material and treatment per track is awesome. You can see where the problem comes from on UYI, there's Axl's songs which he might wanted more bombastic and pomp and then there's Izzy's and Slash's they wanted more rawer. They had to leave the band to do what they wanted.

    My solution would have been to just do each guys songs like they wanted and throw them on an album, with only a producer suggesting they do something to pull the record together. I think if Slither and Fall to Pieces and Time Gone By and Shuffle it All with TIL and Catcher with the same productions fans might say TIL is OTT but hey Slither and Time Gone By are awesome. That's how some viewed UYI. Like eeeww what is Nov Rain? but hey look at Perfect Crime, Double Talkin Jive.

    No actually people bitch about the production of UYI much much less than they do about ChiDem....Most of the complaints I read on this forum about UYI are related to the fact that there is too much filler material and the band would have been better off putting out one album of the best songs and not much about the production value.....in fact I have read posters here who like ChiDem complain about the production and I happen to disagree with your assessment of ChiDem, as do others on this forum, as I think it mediocre at best.

    Personally I think the original leaks of ChiDem are better than the released album and would love to hear the raw versions of UYI before Axl got his hands on them but the production is nowhere near as bad as ChiDem and trying to claim that is part of that albums brilliance is nothing but a defensive mechanism by its fans..............

    Well, I happen to disagree with your assessment of my assessment. I don't completely disagree with your assessment, especially as a GNR, it's pushing it. but I think that is partly what Axl always does, he's always causing a stir. Here we are discussing CD. If it was a remake of UYI we'd just say it's fine, nothing really to talk about. Cd gets a reaction. People are indifferent enough about it to make a point of it. I'm totally indifferent to this record!!!

    It's not defensive because I do like that about it, I see why others don't, but there other records like it with the scope and percussive/synth focus.

    I'm not only talking about the forum, I talking about reviews at the time. I think it's true there's less criticism of UYI production on this forum. I think some think UYI is a bit flat. I don't think the production on CD is all that bad in comparison to other 90s albums with similar production like Angel Dust/Nevermind/Achtung Baby. But it has another dimension of Axl's OTT ness.

    And you know why there would not be such a big difference in opinion if GnR had made another UYI instead of ChiDem?............No big mystery mate it is because the UYI albums are light years better then ChiDem and even the majority of posters on this forum, who don't like ChiDem, like UYI..............

    And your comment about the reviews got me thinking as I read as many as I could find over the years and don't remember complaints about the production on UYI....So just for fun I googled UYI reviews and guess what I found? In nearly every review the only real complaint I found was related to the albums having too many filler songs but no real complaints about the production...here are the first several I read in the order they came up on google so there was no cherry picking on my part.........

    http://www.sputnikmusic.com/review/2350/Guns-N-Roses-Use-Your-Illusion-II/

    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/use-your-illusion-i-19911017

    http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/reviews/compact_discs/guns_n_roses/use_your_illusion_i/index.html?no_takeover

    http://www.theaceblackblog.com/2011/09/cd-review-use-your-illusion-ii-by-guns.html

    http://www.metal-observer.com/articles.php?lid=1&id=1436

    too be fair I did find a few that mentioned the production but the majority focused on the albums having filler songs as the main complaint

    this one mentioned the overblown production in passing

    http://www.allmusic.com/album/use-your-illusion-ii-mw0000035625

    As does this one but again the biggest complaint is they have too much filler material

    http://www.examiner.com/article/review-use-your-illusion-ii-by-guns-n-roses

    Out of the first seven reviews I pulled up 6 of them thought the biggest flaw was too many filler songs

    So again I have to call bullshit to your claim that people also complained about the production of UYI as they do ChiDem as I can find little to no evidence on this forum or in the music reviews...........

    While I love the Illusions IMO the production isn't all that great.

    Izzy isn't very prominent in the mix,

    dated honky tonk piano on songs like Civil War and Bad Obsession,

    and pointless sound effects like the phone call in Heaven's Door.

    Matt's heavy drum sound leaves much to be desired on most songs too, although it sounds great on stuff like YCBM & Locomotive,

    And a bit off topic and It may be blasphemy but i've always found Axl's voice much weaker on the Illusions too,

    i'm not sure if its the way its mixed but it sounds much more hoarse and hard to understand,

    especially on fast stuff like Right Next Door To Hell.

    I've always wondered what those songs would sound like if he still had his Appetite voice.

    ...But still I love the Illusions, take the best 12 songs and you have an album better than Appetite

    If you could 'Mix and Match' members. What would be your ultimate GN'R lineup.

    in 2012

    Posted

    Axl - Vocals

    Ashba - Lead Guitar (For Classic Era Songs)

    Finck - Lead Guitar (For Chinese Era Songs)

    Fortus - Rhythm Guitar (He Could Also Handle The Buckethead And Bumblefoot Solos Live)

    Tommy - Bass Guitar

    Brain - Drums

    Dizzy & Pitman - Keys

    And Bumblefoot could still record stuff in the studio

    Absurd. Youd rather hear DJ copying Slash and Finck copying Buckethead.

    I'm surprised no one has combined Slash and Buckethead yet.

    Im not surprised as it shows the lack of imagination of a lot of fans. Even in a hypothetical situation people would prefer to have DJ in the band cos they cant bring themselves to allow Slash in. Funny how loads of people have put the CD era band but with Duff on bass. Because he's in the cool club now that Axl likes him again. He used to get as little respect as Slash now its all rosy.

    Buckethead is great but he just doesn't fit the band.

    Slash is a has-been who hasn't released anything worthwhile since the 90s IMO.

    Not a "lack of imagination" I just like DJ more than Slash.

    ... And no I want Finck playing the Finck songs...

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