Longpig_mark II

Regardless of what axl wants to acheive he doesn't have the personality to succeed with the media.

He won't do interviews, he won't do TV, he won't do radio. Not to the extent where it makes a difference.

I know there's record label differences and endless management problems (again I think this might be Axl a bit) but every other band copes!

So I think the pattern that we have is all we can hope for.

For me I want new music. He could stop touring tomorrow and just release albums for me. But that's probably not financially viable considering how much time and how many musicians Axl uses.

LP

It's an interesting question.

My guess is that if the industry was like it was back in his prime, he's probably prefer to release albums and tour seldomly.

However, the money is in the touring and I think that will finance the next album/project he has going on.

So I think he'll do this tour - and kick the arse out of it (i.e. tour for AGES) and then disapear for another 3/4 years and potentially work on the next album.

I would hope with the new band rather than endlessly rework old stuff. Obviously if it's good old stuff then keep it, but cut the shit and work on new stuff.

Hopefully we'll get the album in 2012/2013 and he surfaces again around then for another tour or 2.

I think this is sort of reasonable and the best we can hope for.

Magic? WTF. This is magic for ya:

Yep, I'd agree that defines magic much better than the OP's example.

Axl is like a different person! Love the ritz show!

Funny faux pas from Axl: he get a flag from DJ during KOHD and wears over his shoulders for a moment. Well the Czechs thoughts WTF, because it was a Polish flag

For me as a polish fan was this very satisfied, hahaha

Yeah, I thought wtf. 3 really drunk guys from poland behind me screamed very nasty things about axl during the deley. Real idiots. I don't get it why they travel from poland to go see someone they obivously hate.

Well I think it's obvious they love the band if they travelled from poland, but were probably fucked off having to wait forever for Axl to turn up.

LP

AND what the fuck is that hat he's wearing for NR?

He looks like a cross between a chauffer and a magician

thanks for the clips!!

I will say one thing though: GET YOUR FUCKING ECHO OUT ON JUNGLE AXL!! jajajaja

"YOU IN THE JUNGLE BABY-BY-BY-BY-BY-BY!"

I guess this needs to be bumped as it's on tonight.

Any of the stalkers on this page found any members, or are you sat in the rain outside that hotel?

LP

Yeah he does sleep before gigs by the sound of it.

He just needs to add an alarm clock to his rider and he won't get the power pulled on his band at festivals.

Granny has got issues.

Fact is it's not the same band as it was, they just have the same name.

End of story, there's nothing else to debate, that's the truth.

If McCartney called his current band the beatles it would be the same as what GNR is today.

Doesn't mean it's not good, it's just not the same band.

LP

I was lucky enough to see the real band, and once you have seen the real band you know in your heart that there can only be ONE Guns N' Roses, and that's the original.

If you wasn't there, you should just shut the funk up. It's like I should start a discussion with a war vetaran, I can have all the info and watched all the documentaries in the world, but it would just be silly because i wasn't there.

R.I.P. Guns N' Roses

Let me concise your attitude for you: "I am in possession of the one and only truth. If you disagree with me you simply have no idea. I am the measure."

No more questions.

You're both right and wrong at the same time and neither of you can win this argument.

One of you doesn't care the new band is called Guns N Roses and the other one does.

There can be more than one guns n roses, in fact there has been LOTS of "Guns N Roses" long before Slash left.

ALSO the old band will always be a LOT more successful than the new band, and will always have the best selling and more appreciated (better) albums.

The new band are essentially a touring band. And a very good one at that. They may do some parts on an (ok) album but their main function is touring.

BUT they ARE called Guns N Roses.

You can't argue about much of the above points, apart from some clown will say CD is their best album and maybe "we don't know what the next album will sell

So I think everyone should just leave it. No the new band is not GNR that was around in the early years, but whatever you think they're called Guns N Roses.

Thanks for posting, interesting read.

I havent read the 6 pages of "it IS guns n roses" followed by "it's not GNR without slash"

Shame everything on here seems to descend into THAT argument.

From 1985 to 1990 GNR was: Axl, Slash, Duff, Steven and Izzy

Since then it's been ever-changing to: Axl, Dizzy, Pitman, DJ Ashba, Ron Thal, Tommy Stinson, Frank Ferrer, Richard Fortus

Both bands have the same name, but they are VERY different bands. That's what's happened, and Axl has the right to do what he wants with GNR.

Everyone knows Axl is on his own and Slash and co aren't there anymore, so I don't really think it matters. Problem is that a lot of casual fans just associate GNR with Axl and don't care who is with him and the people that know better are annoyed he's somewhat getting away with it. That's the real issue.

The fact is that GNR haven't written a better song without Izzy's involvement than with it, whoever has been in the band.

In fact GNR have released one original album since Izzy left, so if you're looking for the important person in terms of songwriting and direction, he's your man.

But we have what we have and I'd rather Axl was playing gigs with these new dudes than not at all.

Have you heard the cheers that Patience gets?!! How would accoustic gigs lose momentum?! Idiots.

I think if they did the right songs then an accoustic part of the show would be immense.

KOHD needs a fucking rest. Let's be honest it's too long and not very good!

Patience is a LOT of peoples favourite song, people that don't like GNR too, so should always be there really, ESPECIALLY if you're having an accoustic set.

I'd go for:

Catcher in the Rye

Used to love her

You're crazy

Patience

Then come back into YCBM to kick into the heavier set.

Would be awesome. If you took out KOHD you could EASILY achieve the 2/3 additional songs.

Great idea, hope it happens, but not sure it would. Also the band need to re-record catcher.

Did anyone do a new catcher when they were playing around with the tracks that cut out the vomit inducing guitar that spoils the first half of the song?

Drive to Manchester and stay the night. That's my plan of action.

They got some seriously bad press over the whole Reading incident, and the Dublin fiasco was just a disaster. I have to say I'm a little concerned that they won't get the warmest of receiptions from a UK crowd when they inevitably turn up on stage around 10.30.

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

I don't think they'll have the issue with the curfew in the same way as Reading.

I.e. the sound won't get pulled, they'll just get a fine, so in terms of a full show I'd imagine that the venues will get a full show.

The big issue here is the crowd. People here will want to wind him up and after everything that happened it won't take the crowd long to turn on the band (well Axl) if they have to wait anything around an hour. They will want to make themselves heard and show Axl they are pissed off at waiting.

I guess the other issue is the mood of Axl. If Axl is in a good mood then he can handle the crowd and take the piss out of the trouble makers and the majority will be eating out of his hand again. If he starts doing a Mariah Carey diva impression then the show will end up like Dublin or probably worse where he won't come out at all.

LP

Just back from gig. Crowd was dead.

Well I've been to the Geneva area of Switzerland a lot with work also Lucerne and Zurich and I can say I can totally believe it.

Switzerland is incredibly pretty, but unfortunately the most boring country I've ever been to.

Still they do eat horse which is fucking immense.

Seriously, 7 pages?!! hahaha!

People who are in denial about Axl putting on the pounds are very sweet and I'm sure he appreciates your support, but c'mon.... even 2006 v 2010 you see a BIG difference. If you don't then you're blinded by your love for him and/or the band.

The only issues I have with it is that his performace suffers from being over-weight, and I'd rather he was healthier.

LP

ok im wasted but didnt they sound just as good as a "palace" or stadium? why go so much bigger?

just my 2 cents

Because 2 cents is all they'd earn per show if all they played was acoustic shows at 100 person clubs.

Hammersmith, London 2006 was fucking insane and the perfect venue size for GNR I think.

It would be cool to see them do several nights per city in venues like that where the atmosphere is electric.

I guess to make that TOTALLY viable they'd have to have more variey in their setlists so that the die hards go more than once.

Which isn't impossible. Let's be honest the crowd pleases aren't from Chinese Democracy, so you could alternate the songs they play from that.

Chuck in the various covers they do, maybe add a couple more etc... could be an awesome way of touring, and give the band (Axl) enough time to sleep...

LP

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, WHO CARES HOW BIG HIS HEAD LOOKS IN SOME CANDID PICTURE???!?!??!!? Fuck, this place gets more juvenile by the day. Why don't you all post some candid pics of yourselves so we can point out all of the flaws????

There's 2 different perspectives here:

Does it affect whether you like the man/the band?

If it does you have an issue, and it's wrong.

But if his head has swollen up unnaturally and he looks a little bit scary, like in the pic people are discussing, then do you really expect people not to notice or mention it?

You might not care but it seems that a lot do.

The fact is he seems out of shape and when you compare him to the last tour the difference is drastic. there are a few (probably those that have only seen him on this tour) saying he sounds "better than 2006/7" which is obviously a complete lie. Now it could be that age is catching up with Axl so his vocals are naturally getting worse, but it COULD also be because he's put on a load of weight. That affects the performance and also the show and the band and the bands success.

If you don't think this is a relevant subject then you're just trying to teabag Axl.

The other thing is there was a fucking HUGE difference in Axl's singing when he was fucked off in Dublin and stood still. He sounded amazing. YCBM was flawless vocally. That is my main evidence that it's not necessarily his vocals but his fitness that are affecting him, and if he lost some weight he could sound incredible.

So you can make this issue to be like nonsense paparazzi but it does directly affect the band whether you want to admit it or not.

LP

Hey jack-ass Axl is pushin 50 and lives a life of excess (great food, great wine, great women) so I wouldn't expect him to look like he did when he was 30.

Yea he was thinner in 2006 BUT I don't think he was eating. When he collapsed at wembley it was because of low blood sugar... which often means no food and too much booze...

Anyway the one thing I take exception to is that he sounded better in 2006.... well I saw 4 shows that tour and 5 shows this tour and his voice sounds 100 times better now.... actually hasn't sounded this good since the 80's in IMO.

At the end of the day I don't know how anyone could watch this acoustic show gig and not say Axl still has it! Sure he's put on some weight... who the fuck hasn't since we've been GNR fans. Stop being so fucking petty... if you don't like it don't go to the shows and don't watch the clips online... save yourself some fucking grief

Haha well done moron.

Where to start. Ok so you think the way to be heathier than he was in 2006, is not only drink too much, but also eat too much and be overweirght as well... ok... good plan Dr Twat!

I never expected him to look like he was 30... or any age. I was pointing out that between the last tour ending in early 2007 and this one starting in 2009 the dude looks a lot bigger and his face is massive.

You could have been to 100 shows and say "IMO" a hundred times but there's no way he sounds better now than in 2006. The only show he has done is Dublin where he stood still.

Last of your retarded comments.... I didn't say he hasn't still got it, if you took Axls testicles out your mouth and read my post I actually said he HAS still got it but the extra pounds he's carrying are holding him back... compare and dublin song with any other on this tour and it will sound A LOT better in Dublin. Now of course however fit you are running and putting on a show will take it out your voice so he'll never sounds as good as if he's standing still, but he will be closer if he was in better shape. That was my point.

So I didn't say I didn't like the shows now, I'm saying he would be EVEN better if he was in better shape. And when comparing to 2006 there's a big fucking difference.

On another note Catcher should be recorded in the studio that way! I can then remove the CD one where they ruined the song and replace it with this one! It was so much better.

Nightrain was immense too! Ron is mental on accoustic guitar.

LP

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, WHO CARES HOW BIG HIS HEAD LOOKS IN SOME CANDID PICTURE???!?!??!!? Fuck, this place gets more juvenile by the day. Why don't you all post some candid pics of yourselves so we can point out all of the flaws????

There's 2 different perspectives here:

Does it affect whether you like the man/the band?

If it does you have an issue, and it's wrong.

But if his head has swollen up unnaturally and he looks a little bit scary, like in the pic people are discussing, then do you really expect people not to notice or mention it?

You might not care but it seems that a lot do.

The fact is he seems out of shape and when you compare him to the last tour the difference is drastic. there are a few (probably those that have only seen him on this tour) saying he sounds "better than 2006/7" which is obviously a complete lie. Now it could be that age is catching up with Axl so his vocals are naturally getting worse, but it COULD also be because he's put on a load of weight. That affects the performance and also the show and the band and the bands success.

If you don't think this is a relevant subject then you're just trying to teabag Axl.

The other thing is there was a fucking HUGE difference in Axl's singing when he was fucked off in Dublin and stood still. He sounded amazing. YCBM was flawless vocally. That is my main evidence that it's not necessarily his vocals but his fitness that are affecting him, and if he lost some weight he could sound incredible.

So you can make this issue to be like nonsense paparazzi but it does directly affect the band whether you want to admit it or not.

LP

My romantic fantasies when looking at this pic are all about Axl too.

Really..... I think he's face looks swollen. Is it weight? I mean NR from reading he looked a bit face in the face from the side (he had about 6 extra chins), but it could also be a reaction to botox...

Check this in 2006:

Compared to:

Doesn't he look different? MUCH bigger face, but his body doesn't look TOTALLY bigger does it?

Edit: Actually looking again he is just fat now.

a. Axl Rose is not fat

b. He's pushing 50 so the spandex thing doesn't work. Save for the awful biker mustache and eyeliner, the look he has now works for him.

a. Yes he is:

b. I agree with the biker shorts and moustache not working. Eyeliner is fine though, but his look is not working for him.

Compared to 2006 he looks awful. well the hair is probably better, but in 2006 he was in much better shape both physically and vocally.

LP

Well this was a Saturday night so being late doesn't really matter.

MOST people won't have work tomorrow. I imagine Dublin would have been less volatile on a weekend night.

Glad the show went without a hitch, but the real tests will be on week nights.

LPII

Yeah they're SOOOOO rock n roll that they can't take a hostile crowd after THEY made them wait far too long on a "school" night.

If they want to play to crowds that don't throw piss at them and boo them, then just come on stage at a reasonable time.

30 minutes is ok, maybe 45 minutes is only a bit shit, but 1.5 hours? It's taking the piss big time.

You can't profess to be rock and roll and then whinge when the crowd give it back. That's a 2-way street I'm afraid.

LP

The review of the telegrah is so silly. First the journalist bashes Axl, but then he says he is waiting for a reunion. Another journalist who bashes new gn'r just because Slash isn't in it... Not a respetable journalist.

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After reading fan reviews, I see it was a great show

We know this journalist is full of shit, but if you need more proof all you gotta do is listen to This I love clip where the crowd gave it a great ovation.

The ovation was only ok as was the shouty performance.

I dunno if I'm expecting too much from Axl these days but 2006 was SO much better that these performances are a bit disappointing to me. I'll still watch the pro-shot shit on Friday, but I don't think I'm going to the UK shows based on what I've heard.

Amazing version of This I Love, Axl can still be awesome even though he needs to seriously do some cardio.

He did sound a little winded in the beginning of the song, and also didnt hold the notes as long as on other performances. He did much, much better in Belfast though:)

Regarding Reading, it was unfortunate that it was so early after the break from touring. We all know Axl gets better as the tour progresses.

He needs to lose some weight he looks like Phil from Eastenders.

My 2 non-GNR fan friends were like "Fucking hell what's he been doing?!"

Response was "Eating by the looks of it"

Now one of them I dragged to GNR in 2006 and although not a fan she loved it, and thought Axl and the boys put on a great show.

Axl looks and sounded better in 2006, but I think a lot of that has to do with the fact he was in much better physical condition.

I did think he sounded good on Jungle though, although again not as good as 2006. The Rock Am Ring performance was outstanding.

BUT I think if he loses some weight he's more than capable of matching 2006 as he showed glimpses of what he can do, but they were only glimpses.

LP