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I really dislike Miser. I really, really, really don't like him. He expends hours away posting apologies for Axl just because he identifies with the misery and unrequited love. Reading his posts on hair, musical tastes, I have the feeling he wants to be like him. On top of all that he made a cupcake thread insulting Kurt Cobain's memory to further a sophist's apologies for Axl. I've changed my mind about his posts now, and remember now why I didn't like him.

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What you have to remember is that Kurt didn't just hate Axl, he hated GN'R in general and thought their music was crap. The Axl haters here will cling on to him disliking Axl and cheer Kurt, but he hated GN'R's music in general. He was one of these ironic hipster effeminate Political Correctness Nazi types who'd feel people like us--GN'R fans--were dumb meatheads.

Also, this interesting thing comes from "Come as You Are" by Michael Azzerad, page 214-215:

There weren't any hipsters 20 years ago Miser. Hipsters imitate Kurt, not the other way around. Kurt was passionate about his political views and punk rock music. Based on your open description of your personal behavior I would categorize you as the resident hipster of the forum but I guess you would sacrifice any respect to further your apologies for Axl.

People like us? Get a life Miser. Kurt didn't like racists or misogynists. It's not that hard to understand and there is no reason to elaborate. It's no wonder you try to make it more complicated like it's Kurt's conspiracy. And who could disagree with everything Kurt said? From his vantage point Axl was unapologetic about it and Kurt was brave to say what he said. Kurt liked Metallica and Sound Garden. He wasn't out to annihilate competition. Fact is that if Guns N' Roses music wasn't racist or misogynistic, he might have liked them. I agree with everything he said, and if you look at the comments on the YouTube videos most of the world agrees with him too.

Do yourself a favor and go post this same thread on a Nirvana form. You appear to have an equal interest in both parties as you mention. Please, please go and do this.

Have seen both of those Frusciante videos, funny that you went to dig them up though.

Call him talented, sure. He had a great sense of melody. I just have no idea how anyone could call him a genius or close to it. I REALLY think that label comes directly from his suicide.

What? I have a good memory that's all. Those videos just prove your glib hypocrisy. I remember you made a really dumb thread one time about how you thumb your nose a RATM fans. Like I said, no one needs your childish comments. I surprised you even made that post instead of posting a GIF.

You seem literally offended that any, even slight, comparison could be drawn between him and Axl.

Absolutely. I think this thread is pure shit. Out of respect for Kurt I think you should ask a mod to delete this thread. This thread became a wall for people that don't like Nirvana to talk about how much they don't like Nirvana. Your thesis isn't accurate and would never make it as a thread on a Nirvana forum. This whole thread is unintentional trolling.

I know his life didn't revolve around Axl or GN'R...It revolved around his life, his wife, his personal issues, his child, stress, music, etc I'm sure....I'm no Kurt or Nirvana die hard so yeah, I can't speak to his world, what the center of his life was. I just wanted to better bridge the gap between two guys who were seen as total enemies and also as the opposite of the other...They were icons of the same era, of the same generation, in some cases even icons to the same people....IMO Axl and Kurt are two of the biggest figures of the 90s. Their feud is sadly legendary. I just wanted better understanding and I thought analyzing or comparing the two men would be interesting and cause discussion. I never meant it to denigrate Kurt or Nirvana or anything. I just was in a thoughtful frame of mind.

I always thought his book was considered like THE Nirvana book...I didn't know Nirvana fans hate him. I'm not a Nirvana die hard, more a casual fan who'd like to be more than that.

Oh I realize Kurt was a human being. A brilliant, sensitive, amazing human being who touched a lot of others' lives and who sadly didn't love himself enough and took his own. He was a guy like any guy, full of flaws, good points, hopes, dreams, etc. I don't really know too much about Kurt the human being so much as Kurt the public figure....I hope you get that I'm not coming from a place of malice or anything toward the man. I'm not subconsciously trolling or anything. I'm coming I suppose from a place of ignorance of Kurt as a person....

I want to learn more about him and who he was and what he was as a human being....I used to hate him because when you're a young stupid teenaged GN'R fan Kurt Cobain is like the enemy who brought down GN'R and Rock N' Roll...But I've come to realize he was a very compelling, brilliant, tortured person who made beautiful music and I want to learn more about him and end the feud....Maybe help people who hate him simply because he hated Axl better understand him.

No Miser, I explained the Charles Cross's perception amongst fans back around the first or second time you made this thread. You must be willfully ignorant; have a forgetful memory, or intentionally went ahead with your thesis despite the doubt you should really have in the back of your mind. There really wasn't that much of a connection between the two people other than what was naturally incidental at the time. If anything, you are bastardizing history and creating a screenplay of drama and interconnectedness that didn't exist.

I don't know why you posted the entire Advocate article. If anything that shows you how honest and independent Kurt was. He turned down a lucrative tour with GN'R which was bigger at the time. Back in the day it was culturally acceptable to make fun of gay people. Kurt's brave venture in doing an interview with the Advocate doesn't make him anyway like Axl.

Kurt was always this way. They even got rid of one of the original drummers back in the day because he was racist redneck. Kurt's ashes are spinning tornado in their grave.

This whole thread by you was a disaster. Any crank can draw lines of comparison two opposite beings with slight evidence. I really wish you didn't make it.

LOL smells like teen spirit riff stolen (and then used in another nirvana song! )

LOL come as you are riff stolen

So if any musician with bitchy teenage angst lyrics (on catchy pop songs) commits suicide, they're a genius. Cool

Here's John talking about where Under a Bridge actually came from:

Here's John Frusciante talking about how he likes to sign fan's autographs @5:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVAYUIYFUAE

If you don't like Nirvana, fine. No one really needs your childish comments.

Kurt was a very humble guy despite Miser's misinformation:

Here he talks about his embarrassment at fans having unconditional love for him which he didn't understand

This is also one of my favorite quotes:

“I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not.”

^

Maybe Miser can say that quote was actually subconsciously about Axl.

You are are missing the point Miser. At the end of the day, Kurt's life didn't revolve around Axl. There's a handful of anecdotes that you tried to tie together to point out how Kurt and Axl were alike. I really wish you had never made this thread.

Official biography? Did Kurt pen an introduction? Charles Cross is hated by a lot of Nirvana fans for good reason. You appear to have overlooked a lot of what I said on purpose.

At some point criticizing a celebrity has to be silly because you forget the fact that people are real and had real problems. Kurt wasn't an archetype in a movie. He was a human being.

Kurt Cobain and Nirvana's music was of an entirely different wavelength. I think he was a genius and many artists like Eric Clapton and David Bowie respected the guy. It may be hipster chic to deride Nirvana now. Nirvana may not have been more popular than GN'R at their height but they were popular before he died. People deriding the music just seems to be resentment for the band's popularity. I think RHCP and John Frusciante are terrible but that's my opinion. I can't think of time where I told someone how much I dislike them. I think Chinese Democracy was horrible.

This is all Miser's fault. He takes a f@*#ing Venn diagram with two polar opposites ideas, tries to turn thread into gold with some tabloid rumors. It's subconscious trolling. Kurt's dead. Leave him be.

Ahhh...Courtney Love, bad music, really ugly junkie guy....now I remember.

So he's ugly now? This is about looks?

Posts like this make realize my shame in liking an 80s hair band that has a pretty boy for singer. Well maybe not the band itself but for the fans it has.

So this turned into a Kurt Cobain/Nirvana hate thread. Brilliant job Miser.

I really wish Miser didn't make this thread, again.

More dislike than they were friends.

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Because he didn't want to be in the band anymore.

I really dislike Miser's way of starting his 60 minutes thesis posts without any links so he can be the center of the conversation with his copy pasta. He strings together quotes and connects the dots to make up some bullshit deduction based on partial evidence. That being said I do like his threads a lot since they are entertaining and he does put a lot of thought into them. I wish Miser would stop talking shit about Kurt though. He needs to lay off the Courtney & Charles Cross's version of events.

Kurt's music was vastly different. His music had a palpable authenticity that couldn't be replicated. Like Billy Corgan he put the effort in writing pretty much all the songs on his own. When I listen to Nirvana, the last thing I think about is GN'R. Stop trying to make it look like Kurt revolved around Axl in the GN'R universe. In 1993 alternative bands like REM, Pearl Jam, AiC were eclipsing the older bands' novelties that just sounded passe. Kurt's sense of humor in using the name Bill Bailey at hotel does not make him obsessed with Axl Rose. In fact, that's a little ironic coming from the OP.

If you don't like their music, fine. What does that have to do with Axl Rose? Nirvana was never GN'R's little satellite and this whole post is an insult to Nirvana fans in my opinion.

I think the OP's theory is complete BS. I've always thought the opposite. If anything, musicians live lives with the least amount of stress. No reason to get lines or grey hairs. Look at Joe Perry at 61, he's only shown a little bit of grey in recent years. I'm in my 20s and I got grey hair.

The best example is Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth (the word Youth in the band name is just a coincidence).

@ 50 years old