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I think slash made some overdubs on the songs like guitars on center, right channel and sometimes on left channel too but if you listen carefully you'll hear some rhythm track lower on the mix on left channel that has a izzy style of playin with less distortion and similar to the rhythm that he played on AFD,the problem is that slash overdubs a LOT of guitar parts in the final mix and this difficults to hear izzy tracks...i think the best way is pay attention on left channel...but someone said that slash overdubs all izzy's parts and i have to disagree because i think izzy himself plays his own parts ... his style and tone is unique...

I made this topic to share opinions and to know what you guys think

Exactly. With the exception of Civil War, Shotgun Blues, Locomotive, The Garden and Coma; Izzy defintely plays on all the other tracks. His guitar in the mix does vary from not as audible as Slash (Perfect Crime, YCBM, RNDTH, DTJ) to barely there (Bad Apples, 14 Years, Yesterdays). In general, he's much more audible on UYI 1 over 2.

Hi brother morphine you're welcome...i can hear izzy better on some tracks like perfect crime...today i was listening "don't damn me" with headphones and you can hear his chords and rhythm ideas...i think who said that slash overdubed ALL izzy parts on UYI is saing bullshit...there are parts that are izzy cool way of playing like perfect crime, YCBM, dust n bones, back off bitch, bad obsession etc...

thanx for replying

I think slash made some overdubs on the songs like guitars on center, right channel and sometimes on left channel too but if you listen carefully you'll hear some rhythm track lower on the mix on left channel that has a izzy style of playin with less distortion and similar to the rhythm that he played on AFD,the problem is that slash overdubs a LOT of guitar parts in the final mix and this difficults to hear izzy tracks...i think the best way is pay attention on left channel...but someone said that slash overdubs all izzy's parts and i have to disagree because i think izzy himself plays his own parts ... his style and tone is unique...

I made this topic to share opinions and to know what you guys think

i have some questions to you guys

first of all i want to know if the booklet information on UYI is correct...izzy did not play on coma, civil war and locomotive??

the solo on back off bitch intro is izzy, but lead guitar on double talkin jive is izzy too?? the booklet says that lead guitar is izzy

next i want to know if you guys can hear the izzy's parts on songs like estranged, november rain, 14 years and right next door the hell for example...i know that his parts are more proeminent on tracks like perfect crime, pretty tie up and some others

sorry for the number of questions but these are questions that i really want to know since years ago and i know things like izzys parts is on the left or his style of play rhythm

Thanx

Hello BumbleBoob! first of all thanks for reply my topic...i like to read what you think and what you discovered...very fine informations.

I think the same that you wrote...i am listening with headphones and izzy have a peculiar style...some tracks has it more proeminent than others...

i would like to question you if you can listen to izzy's parts on november rain, don't cry or estranged..did you??

sorry my bad english and thanks one more time

Nice topic man.

I've always loved Izzy's playing but felt a lot of that boogie kinda shuffle thing he had going on AFD got a bit lost in on some of the UYI tunes. I just listened to 'Bad Apples' and he is definately very low in the mix. It is understandable that as the rythmn player he is not as predominant i guess, it helps him to lock into the bass and drums better. If you compare it to 'Anything Goes' though then there is a massive difference...

My guess also would be that as they were all off writing and doing whatever in after being on tour it became more of a set of different collaberative efforts rather than five guys in a room bouncing off of each other. So when they came to actually record Illusions then maybe it was like the demos had been used and changed and he didnt really get a chance to really carve out a significant part given the timeframe he gave himself through not going to chicago so he just 'banged out the chords' u know and because his parts weren't jumping out of the can then when it came to mixing he just got put under the bass....

Sounds a bit harsh to say in hindsight but hey...

That's Rock 'n' Fuckin' Roll and he gave us some great fuckin' tunes

Aha I just found this:

On the Illusion albums, Izzy Stradlin is credited with rhythm guitar while you're credited with lead and rhythm. How does that break down on any given track?

It's simple. Izzy, even on the songs he wrote, put on a very bare-bones guitar part -- just basic chords. And sometimes, very rarely, a single-note melody. He has one guitar solo on Illusion I -- at the beginning of "Back Off Bitch."

You also solo on "Back Off Bitch."

Yeah, I play the main solo. I used to play this high-end trill thing for the first solo, but I could never play it consistently. So I just took it off altogether and let Izzy put a lead on, which is really a lot cooler.

Here's the source, quite a cool interview from '92 that i will now read the rest of

http://www.guitarworld.com/slash-talks-guitars-and-guns-n-roses-1992-guitar-world-interivew

Yeah, i can hear his rhythm parts on some songs like perfect crime, bad obssession , dust n bones, pretty tied up... they are scratchy and more clean sound than slash distorted ones...i think his parts are in the album because of his trademark sound and the info on booklet...but this question always seems to blow my mind hehhe and because of this i want to hear more opinions if you have...Thanks one more time my friends

More opinions??none??

Hi man! first of all thanks for your reply! i read the booklet of these CD's and there are the info about who play what on each song and seems to make sense since the izzy name dont appear on civil war or locomotive(he did not play)..but i would like to know if these info on booklet are 100% right....and to this i would like to hear opinions like yours... songs like dont cry for me have a clear guitar on left channel but a lot of overdubs that make it difficult to know about..

Hello gnr fans! i have a question... i know that izzy stradlin was in the band when they recorded the illusions albums, he recorded his parts dont show much for the final overdubs and mix sessions and slash recorded a lot of loud guitar that made izzy's sound inaudible in some tracks...but when i listen to the albums with headphones i can hear the izzy's parts on left channel, because his rhythms are scratchy and have a unique sound that is different from slash...i can listen this more on some tracks like dust n bones, perfect crime bad obssesion, pretty tied up, you could be mine... I know that in the original booklet is the info about who played what in each song...

Now my question is: can you guys hear the izzy sound on ALL the tracks?? tracks like yesterdays or don't cry for example i cant hear it very well... i know too that he didnt play in songs like locomotive or coma, civil war...

PS.: i searched in this forum and found a topic that have a question like this but i didnt found the answer that i want...

Sorry my bad english...and congratulations for this awesome forum.. i think this is the best on net!

Hi, you are right.

Long since I don't listen those songs...but I remember myself doing the same thing with the headphones and thinkin' Izzy's work is great and quite different from Slash's style. I gotta check what you say about the others songs...

Rock on.

Hello gnr fans! i have a question... i know that izzy stradlin was in the band when they recorded the illusions albums, he recorded his parts dont show much for the final overdubs and mix sessions and slash recorded a lot of loud guitar that made izzy's sound inaudible in some tracks...but when i listen to the albums with headphones i can hear the izzy's parts on left channel, because his rhythms are scratchy and have a unique sound that is different from slash...i can listen this more on some tracks like dust n bones, perfect crime bad obssesion, pretty tied up, you could be mine... I know that in the original booklet is the info about who played what in each song...

Now my question is: can you guys hear the izzy sound on ALL the tracks?? tracks like yesterdays or don't cry for example i cant hear it very well... i know too that he didnt play in songs like locomotive or coma, civil war...

PS.: i searched in this forum and found a topic that have a question like this but i didnt found the answer that i want...

Sorry my bad english...and congratulations for this awesome forum.. i think this is the best on net!