truadmirer

Oh noooooooo! This hurts, I'm really going to miss Ashba! So pleasant a bandmember!

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Truadmirer , you're a great poster!

Why thank you, sweetness , I'm very honored

again with this bipolar shit? Axl took the time to explain that shit to us in 2008, why do we keep to discussing that shit? We don't believe in the guy who actually it's the only one who can tell us the truth on that kind of info?

Axl ADMITTED he was diagnosed Bipolar/Manic depressive in earlier interviews. But of course you can't stand for the truth to come out so you can keep pointing fingers at Axl for his bipolar symptoms. Blame the disease, not the person.

The thing is there's no blood test for being bipolar, so Axl backtracking on his admittance that he was professionally diagnosed is all he can do at this point.

OJ admitted he murdered his wife while being chased by police, but his lawyer had the audio recording thrown out as evidence. Doesn't mean he didn't do it!

People with money can have their lawyers change the meaning of words to hide the truth.

I only put in this quote because truadmirer is going on about FACTS and the truth that he's proved. I don't know if Axl is bipolar or not and I don't really care. But don't go on about facts if you base part of your case on the assumption that he is bipolar, because that is something we don't know for sure. As for the rest, I won't be dragged in this discussion, as I don't know Axl personally and can't comment on his being an asshole.

Axl Rose was diagnosed Bipolar, prescribed lithium, that's a fact.

Well let me inform you about something, the truth doesn't have a shelf life, and never goes extinct. What I've stated about Axl is the truth, and I've PROVEN it. You being a fan longer doesn't make what you say more truthful. It just shows how ignorant some people are, that they have been "fans" for so long long, yet didn't know the simple facts, the truth about Axl, and let themselves be brainwashed for so long. The truth is, Axl is a SWEETHEART. Sure he has moments at times, mostly due to bipolar, but that isn't his general character.

From every celebrity/musician that has spoke of Axl in interviews, they say he is a great, nice human being. Chris Cornell said he is the nicest person he has ever met.

You, sir, have never met Axl.

Listen, and LEARN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPhYzxYgv_Y

OK, so the rest of the world is mistaken and you have it straight. Got it.

Good talk.

Actually, the rest of the world agrees with me, fans who are observant, and people who've actually MET Axl.

But that just shows ulterior motives on your part. If you were ignorant to something, and somebody opened your eyes to the truth, you no longer have an excuse to remain ignorant.

No, the truth is coming out about Axl. Most of the negative things said about Axl are NOT true. But Slash on the other hand, has many negative things that have flown under radar, to refresh your selective memory,remember this about Slash? A case of NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE involving Slash?

Look, I'm not trying to big time you here. I'm really not.

But your initial post in this thread states you've been a GNR fan for almost 18 whole months now. With all due respect, myself, and a lot of others around here have been in the game since 1988.

I bring this up only because it would take someone such as yourself to make this argument that Axl is a great guy and this is all just a misunderstanding.

Axl is a hell of a frontman, but a pretty nasty human being. Is there a story or two out there that might be inaccurate. Obviously. But there are FAR more stories out there perfectly accurate that show Axl to be petty, vindictive, hurtful, and with a temper not to be believed.

Well let me inform you about something, the truth doesn't have a shelf life, and never goes extinct. What I've stated about Axl is the truth, and I've PROVEN it. You being a fan longer doesn't make what you say more truthful. It just shows how ignorant some people are, that they have been "fans" for so long long, yet didn't know the simple facts, the truth about Axl, and let themselves be brainwashed for so long. The truth is, Axl is a SWEETHEART. Sure he has moments at times, mostly due to bipolar, but that isn't his general character.

From every celebrity/musician that has spoke of Axl in interviews, they say he is a great, nice human being. Chris Cornell said he is the nicest person he has ever met.

From the Axl Rose chats:

I've not been diagnosed as being bipolar though many misconstrue statements I made earlier as alluding to such and unfortunately there's been an abundance of misguided or unqualified speculation of various events but I definitely can relate to needing my own space.

In my world all bi polar means (and not to offend or make light of those suffering from a genuine condition or involved with those who are) is that someone can try to take cheap uneducated shots or try to claim I'm bipolar thus justifying why they should get paid a financial settlement for whatever nonsense they're up to. Fortunately that hasn't proved successful.

Mental illness isn't something to brag about. But doctors don't prescribe 'Lithium', to patients without good cause,;

Prompted to get a psychiatric evaluation, Axl told Del James in The World According to Axl Rose that he’d been diagnosed with bipolar disorder but hated the idea of taking medication.

At concerts, fanatical fans thrashed about, creating injuries and the death of two fans in 1988, crushed while the band played “It’s so easy.” It seems at this point something awakened in Axl. Through the drugs, the lack of sleep, the notoriety, the money, the fame, and the royalty status he’d been afforded, Axl refused any mental healthcare. Guns-N-Roses concerts became platforms for Axl to rant for long periods of time about perceived wrongs and self serving pet peeves.

No, the truth is coming out about Axl. Most of the negative things said about Axl are NOT true. But Slash on the other hand, has many negative things that have flown under radar, to refresh your selective memory,remember this about Slash? A case of NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE involving Slash?

Look, I'm not trying to big time you here. I'm really not.

But your initial post in this thread states you've been a GNR fan for almost 18 whole months now. With all due respect, myself, and a lot of others around here have been in the game since 1988.

I bring this up only because it would take someone such as yourself to make this argument that Axl is a great guy and this is all just a misunderstanding.

Axl is a hell of a frontman, but a pretty nasty human being. Is there a story or two out there that might be inaccurate. Obviously. But there are FAR more stories out there perfectly accurate that show Axl to be petty, vindictive, hurtful, and with a temper not to be believed.

Well let me inform you about something, the truth doesn't have a shelf life, and never goes extinct. What I've stated about Axl is the truth, and I've PROVEN it. You being a fan longer doesn't make what you say more truthful. It just shows how ignorant some people are, that they have been "fans" for so long long, yet didn't know the simple facts, the truth about Axl, and let themselves be brainwashed for so long. The MEDIA has greatly contributed to this ignorance, has been adversarial to Axl from the beginning. The truth is, Axl is a SWEETHEART. Sure he has moments at times, mostly due to bipolar, but that isn't his general character.

Let's talk instead about Axl Rose's domestic battery, or does that not suit your agenda?

Domestic battery between two adults is on a different level than pedophilia, and don't try to act like its not.

Also, on Erin's "battery", it seems Erin was pretty good at that herself. In fact, Erin was described as the aggressive one in the relationship with Axl, by people who witnessed them. And it later came out she was a continued domestic abuser even with her new spouse and children needing a restraining order. So lets get the facts straight before crying victim for aggressive, violent Erin.

Yes, let's get facts straight. I can give you the names of several people who described Axl's violence towards Erin in great detail. Can you provide the names and details provided by those who claimed the reverse? Matthew Klyn has since publicly recanted his claim that Erin was aggressive towards him on the night she was arrested, so that's not so cut and dried either. And let's not forget Axl also has been accused of abuse by multiple women.

Actually, you need to get your facts straight! The only reason Matthew recanted is because Erin is a very manipulative b#tch, like everybody has said of her. Nobody runs down street in a fearful panic and orders a restraining order and arrest against someone for NO REASON. Also, police don't arrest in these cases without cause. Erin's abuse was witnessed by SEVERAL witnesses, including some of Axl's ex-girlfriends, who had enjoyed problem free relationships with Axl.

Here's what an ex-girlfriend,

I hope people are not getting too carried away with this latest bit of Slash news.

If that is proven to be true, yes, Slash will come off looking bad.

But in no rational universe does this put him on par with Axl. That's false equivalency if I ever heard it.

And is damn sure does not retroactively make Axl some great guy. Axl's rep is what it is, and he absolutely earned it. It wasn't all made up.

No, the truth is coming out about Axl. Most of the negative things said about Axl are NOT true. But Slash on the other hand, has many negative things that have flown under radar, to refresh your selective memory,remember this about Slash? A case of NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE involving Slash? Much worse than anything Axl was said to do.

http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=5990

Ok Rambo.

It's like when Nancy Grace went on Larry King she talk about a murder case for 10 minutes then Larry would get bored and ask why did he do it? She'd laugh and say we have no idea! Point being you can be a good hearted murderer.

No, really you can't.

Nobody knows why people have a violent streak. It's given no weight in court. Whether you were abused or had a bad childhood doesn't mean much in court. But you could still be a pretty good guy. Just one night you lost your mind and blew someone's head off. Yep I'm definitely gay for you!

Just because something does something wrong to you doesn't give you any sort of excuse to do something wrong to someone else. Especially when it involves rape, murder, pedophelia and so on.

That's sweet that you're gay for me and all, I do have to admit that I would be too if I wasn't myself; but you simply don't produce enough estrogen to satisfy me. Sorry.

Point taken.

That's what I'm saying i think. That law doesn't care why. If you hit chicks people just judge you on that. But reality is you could be alright guy. In the court of the media Axl is just an asshole. Serial killers get more girlfriends than me. Aww he's really a nice guy once you get to know him.

Being bad is not the same as being destructive. Lots of bands have built their reputation on being bad boys, that's what rock n roll was all about. In Axl's case however, he took it too far, to the point where the band could no longer exist. I don't think it was a game, I think it was all too real in his mind.

It's actually still real, for him anyway. "Fighting the good fight" and all that nonsense. Somewhere the music got lost in it all.

You see, its ignorant comments like this that keep the need for truth to be recognized.

First of all, clearly you are a bitter, Slash vain worshipper. You are bitter because Slash was either too dumb, or too wasted to recognize what he was doing when he slashed his own jugglar, and walked away from Axl. It didn't take a genius to see that Axl was the primary one that carried that original band. Slash is good, but Slash needed Axl lots more than Axl needed Slash.

That has proven a BIG mistake for Slash, who would like to get back in but can't, because of his own stupidity. All Slash has to his credit is a long list of failed solo projects and broken band line-ups, nothing but failure, due to his OWN stubborness and douchery.

And since Slash has proved such a FAILURE since leaving Axl, all bitter Slash fans can do is constantly Blame and blow hot air on Axl to hide their embarrassment over Slash.

As for "Hitting chicks", well, not all cases are equal. You have to look at the WHOLE picture. And you make it sound like Axl was a madman that just randomly hit chicks for no reason,First of all, Axl didn't just randomly hit chicks! Most of Axl's relationships with women were actually very cordial and friendly . This was even true of Axl's relationship with Stephanie.

As for being respectful, Axl treated women as friends AND lovers, (and also most of the women weren't abusive) , which is why most of his relationships were actually very cordial. Axl has had MANY relationships. Some are - Brigitte Monroe, Barbi Von Grief, Yvonne, Gina, Michelle Young, Jennifer Driver, Lindi Hingston, Dianne O'connor, Kat Mack, Rosario Dawson, Sasha Volkova, Deniz AkKaya , Sophie Anderton, besides Erin and Steph. None had physical violence, and most relationships were very cordial. Most of these women speak very highly of Axl.

Axl also has maintained a very good relationship with Beta.

Axl has written the best Love songs on record , "Sweet Child" "This I Love" because he has such deep reverence and feelings for women. These songs bring many women to tears. Axl really admires women, he wrote "Rocket queen", to honor a female friend and hero, and women like her. He also has her tattooed on his arm. And he wrote "My Michelle" in sympathy for another female friend.

The only violent relationship he had was with Erin. He and Stephanie only got into a fight when he tried to stop one of her drug parties, and she assaulted him!

The truth is, some actions can warrant violence upon a woman.

Take for example, the fact that Axl LOVED his step son, Stephanie's son, only to catch her throwing drug parties with him present. Add to that the fact she assaulted Axl first, by attacking him in the nuts, then throwing a table on him when he tried to end the party!

In these cases, most would find violence on such a woman justifiable, or unavoidable at the very least.

Axl was only trying to protect his stepson from DRUGS, and himself from assault. Axl Rose can become very protective at times. And Axl really Loves children.

Axl also was not the average guy, or a big guy, but very thin, about 5'8" to 5'9", effeminate in appearance.

He was described by one as ;

"he looks very effeminate, with his long hair -not common for that area- and very thin legs, and he had a long coat on. These police were making comments, gestures, because they thought he was a woman." Axl was smaller than Stephanie.

As for Erin, she was even MORE violent than Stephanie, and knew just how to push Axl's buttons, who already suffered from bipolar. She was eventually arrested and served a restraining order because of domestic violence!!

Axl and company had said this all along about Erin, but in outdated thinking, the man is always wrong!

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Well, one of Axl's girlfriends, who had enjoyed a very peaceful relationship with Axl put it best when she said ,

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I couldn't manage to post this successfully under that huge multicoloured wall of text!

Okay, to start with you cannot diagnose someone you don't know from an online stance with any degree of accuracy no matter how many colors you post it in

Also Truadmirer, You have assumed a great deal and taken a lot of liberties here that are not warranted. This entire topic is ridiculous and should not have been posted at all.

It makes me queasy and dizzy

Actually AXL HAS seen doctors, and WAS diagnosed with bipolar, Axl has said so himself in interviews. Don't you read anything legitimate?

And it was confirmed by all that Axl was prescribed Lithium, an anti depressant prescribed only for Bipolar/ Manic Depression.

There's more ways to know a person, especially a public figure, is bipolar other than being the actual diagnosing physician yourself.

LOL - only been a fan for 1.5 years but "educating" the rest of us on what really happened within the band 20 years ago!!!!! And talking about how the media and fans reacted to him 20 years ago.

Everybody knows you are an alt account, so why not just drop the act? Surely you can do better.

Pretty much everything you wrote was incorrect. Deep down you know this. It's clear you are an alt account just trolling, trying to make people mad. It ain't working - sweety. You are just making people shake their heads and laugh.

Anti-Axl agenda? Axl is my favorite rock singer of all time and I've said many times that he is the best rock singer of my generation, that CD is the best rock album of the last decade, and that if Axl wanted to (by releasing albums and taking touring seriously) he could easily be the King of the mountain once again. The only time I go on negative rants about Axl is when I run into weird people like you who worship his every move and who aren't capable of thought outside of their Rose covered glasses.

I'm a bigger fan of Axl the singer than you are. You are a bigger fan of Axl the person than I am. People like you rarely talk about the actual MUSIC, instead ranting on how evil Slash is, how the media is out to get Axl, how those evil crazy bitches deserved to get smacked around, etc.

And lol at your comment about Axl being more successful than his former bandmates. That is laughable and a flat-out lie on your part. VR's debut album outsold CD. Received more critical success than CD. VR released more music than Axl has. That's a win in everybody's book except yours. That's the thing that just infuriates people like you. It drives you knockers that Slash has been more successful and relevant than Axl has since they split ways. I don't even like Slash and his music, but it cracks me up at how much his success drives you crazy. Numbers don't lie. Slash has been more successful than Axl, and he didn't even have the GnR name to sponge off of.

But you keep your Axl worshipping going......it makes the boards amusing for the rest of us. And I'll keep hoping my favorite singer puts out a new album soon.

Keep making me laugh! Everything I said was incorrect? Yet I provided the proof, with links, for EVERYTHING I said.

Well, i'm glad to see you and I agree on something very important. .Chinese democracy was a great album, and Axl is truly the best, the King. Yes, Axl can be King of the mountain again, because it was Axl that gave GNR the bulk of their original success to begin with. Not saying the others weren't good, they were, but Axl was GNR.

Albeit, Axl is much older now, which is the only real factor that makes capturing the full essence of his youthful glory more difficult. But he is still Axl, so it can be done.

As for the former bandmates being more successful than Axl? There's no words!

Come on, really, was that a serious comment?

Izzy's "band" died in the 90's, and the material is no longer even in print!

Steven is part of a 'joke band'.

Duff's best assets are non music related, though he does join various projects.

Slash, Slash has been through more broken band lineups than any other bandmember, as one observer put it;

"Nevans1991 answered 4 years ago

Chinese Democracy has sold over five million copies worldwide.

Libertad, as of October 12, 2007, it has sold 222,000 copies and had fallen off the charts.

As for Contraband, it has sold 4 million worldwide.

Chinese Democracy has sold 5 million to this day the 2 million number is from Febuary, Contraband may have debuted at #1 in the US, but even then it sold less than Chinese Democracy in it's first week. And WorldWide Chinese democracy was #1 for 3 weeks.

Chinese Democracy had a slow start due to lack of promotion and accessibility. True, that it would have done much better with more promotion, from management but including from Axl, and more accessibilty.

Axl Rose has far surpassed the others including Velvet Revolver, in terms of concert attendances and popularity.

As one fan observer put it;

"new gnr sold more albums of Chidemo than any of the o'gnr all together includeing VR! Slash is the tribute band w/his cronnie myles that sounds like shit THEY REALLY SUCK! Axl sells out madison Sq garden ,the rose bowl,the collusieum in la,VR barely sold out 2 thousand seat auditorium,look it up on here matt tells it like it is! gnr has always been owned by AXL no slash=better band no axl= no gnr PERIOD! "

And of course, we all know that Velvet Revolver now 'RIP'.

Songs on CD in some cases can go down to be classics, see Better, There Was a Time, This I Love, Madagascar, and Sorry.To compare VR is to new guns is ludacris...GNR has more wholesome, gritty sound.

I have never heard about Slash wanting smaller crowds. Izzy yes but Slash liked - still does like - big crowds. It was Slash remember who put together the Illusion tour, with the horn section and Tracy and Roberta. Slash (with Teddy) put all that together. That is not exactly the actions of a man who only wants to play clubs, is it? Also, do not forget that, with Velvet Revolver, Slash was playing arenas again!

I have never heard of Aerosmith only wanting to communicate with Axl. This is bollocks. They communicated freely with all bandmembers. The only proviso was, that Guns had to keep their drug usage in their dressing room, and that, their booze (outside this dressing room) was in unmarked cups. But what you say is just complete bullshit. There are anecdotes from Slash and Adler about meeting Aerosmith. There was even a photoshoot with Slash and Joe Perry. There is proof, if you ever needed, that they mingled.

You claim to be GNR fan, but never heard of Slash's complaints on how big GNR was getting? And how much Slash resented large crowds? Don't you people ever do any research before you blindly make statements regarding Slash?

Yeah Slash helped put some things together for UYI tour, begrudgingly, only because he was delegated to do so.

Slash AND Izzy wanted smaller crowds. This comes from Slash's own words!

And yes, Aerosmith WERE separated from all GNR members except Axl, because of the other band member's wasted recklessness! This is a fact. Go do some reading before you make blind comments.

I agree, Axl is a thoroughly nice chap. He always treats his women with respect and care. He is such a nice work collegue, that no band member has ever left Guns N' Roses. GN'R is literally, the cosiest team ever. Additionally, he is nice to his fans, always keeping them informed, always diving into them to see if they are alright. Axl was so distraught over Hetfield's injury, that he refused to play - that is what a decent sort he is.

Well, Axl IS respectful and caring towards women, who are not violent and aggressive themselves. And his record shows it.

Are you blaming Axl for the bandmembers that left, of their own free will? Blame Axl for everything, even the actions of others!

The ex-members had better 'priorities' than GNR; like addictions, pursuing their own solo careers. Slash and Izzy said on several occasions that they resented how big GNR had become, the sheer numbers in the audience of the stadiums, and wanted to go back to the bars and clubs. And that's exactly what they did. How's that for fan appreciation?

Duff left for his family.

Axl complained about everybody wanting to go their separate ways with GNR's success, instead of sticking closer together, like he wanted. Axl was the one that remained loyal to GNR, appreciated the fans, and had the vision and determination to take GNR further. To give the fans more. Its not his fault the others bailed out!

Whew. At first I thought you truly were one of those creepy people that worship celebrities.

Then I read this post and realized you are just being sarcastic and trying to show your dry sense of humor.

You got me - good job.

And good job on your posts in here. Especially this last one. You've managed to twist several negative aspects of Axl's career and life and either justify or blame it all on other people!

Your sense of humor isn't for everybody, but I enjoy it! Thanks for posts and laughs!!!

No, I've just given the complete picture, which by your own words, vindicate Axl. Its true, Erin is and was a aggressive abuser of Axl and others. Stephanie was aggressive with Axl at the end.

The others in the band weren't faultless, innocent bystanders, with no motives of their own.

STOP...........you are cracking me up. I'm trying to get some work done!!!!

Your posts are cracking me up. Satire at its finest.

Oh, and you didn't answer my earlier question.

Do you think people who worship celebrities are just "true" fans, or do you agree with the rest of the world that they are creepy and are probably suffering from some sort of mental illness?

You are so transparent, and redundant. I've answered all your questions, go back and see. Clearly, you can't handle the truth. So stop wasting my time.

Nice. You actually just went back and "edited" your post to answer my question.

The fact is, your version of the "truth" is so pitifully biased and wrong that it is hard to take you seriously as a poster.

I can't handle the truth? LOL. We are talking about a ROCK BAND. At the end of the day, none of us should really care that much about what went on between a band. The fact it means so much to you, and that you are twisting everything to make Axl look like a saint and the other guys like evil, just shows that you aren't to be taken seriously. Celeb worship is weird and creepy.

ER has handled your weird twisting of truth very nicely and respectfully. Almost everything you have posted is 100% either factually incorrect, or you completely twisting the facts around to try and support Axl. It's weird.

But for fun, I'll play along.

"""Axl complained about everybody wanting to go their separate ways with GNR's success, instead of sticking closer together, like he wanted."""" Wrong, that's not what he wanted at all. Axl totally and completely removed himself from the rest of the band during the Illusions. Axl rarely showed up in the studio when the band was there. After Illusions when the band would get together to write and rehearse songs for the follow up.....guess who WOULDN"T show up or would just make occasional appearances? Your boy, that's right. Matt, Duff and Slash would have loved to worked together and kept GnR going. Axl is the one who DIDN"T want to continue GnR as a band with that group. If he wanted the band to 'stick closer together' why did he want to own the name of the band and regulate the rest of the guys to just being PAID PLAYERS?????? Everything Axl did is the OPPOSITE of what you describe.

"""""Axl was the one that remained loyal to GNR, appreciated the fans, and had the vision and determination to take GNR further. To give the fans more. Its not his fault the others bailed out!y."""""" LOL. One album in since he took over sole ownership of GnR, rarely communicates with the fans.....how in the world is that taking GnR futher and giving the fans more? How is that showing appreciation to the fans? Again, your statement is the 100% opposite of what actually happened.

""""Its true, Erin is and was a aggressive abuser of Axl and others. Stephanie was aggressive with Axl at the end."""""""" You say that as a female? Wow. Act like a bitch, get slapped like a bitch - right? Those girls got aggressive so they deserve to get beat up by their man. Holy Cow. I feel dirty just writing that. Luckily for those aggressive women - Axl decided to NOT try and clear his name and instead just pay them 1.4 million dollars to go away. Because that's what innocent people do.

""""""The others in the band weren't faultless, innocent bystanders, with no motives of their own.""""""" I don't recall anybody saying that. Most logical people.......most sane people..........people with triple digit IQs.........they all realize that everybody in the band was at fault. And they don't feel like they need to position themselves as to worship one side or the other. Axl - Slash - Duff - matt - Adler - Izzy - Gilby - these guys are complete strangers to us. So we don't feel we must "love" or "hate" or make decisions about them and their careers based on what Axl Rose thinks. Only complete delusional mentally ill people do that.

""""Well, Axl IS respectful and caring towards women, who are not violent and aggressive themselves. And his record shows it.""""--- Those aggressive women deserve to be beat up!!!!! Hopefully Axl is respectful and caring towards women. Not sure how is record shows it. I think there were four different women who accused him of violent acts towards them? But I'm sure they all deserved what they got.

"""""Are you blaming Axl for the bandmembers that left, of their own free will? Blame Axl for everything, even the actions of others!""""" -- yes, I am. Are you saying that Izzy didn't leave because of Axl's behavior? Are you saying Slash didn't leave because of Axl's behavior? Duff? Matt? Finck? Bucket? How many band members have to come and go through GnR before you admit that the ONE common denominator might be the problem???

"""""The ex-members had better 'priorities' than GNR; like addictions"""""---how many shows did GnR have to cancel because of their addictions? How many albums were delayed because of their addictions? How many albums and tours did Axl do with those "addiction" saddled band members? (For the record - they put out four amazing albums in five years, and they broke touring records).

"""""pursuing their own solo careers."""" -- they all would have rather put out another GnR record than pursing solo careers.

""""""Slash and Izzy said on several occasions that they resented how big GNR had become, the sheer numbers in the audience of the stadiums, and wanted to go back to the bars and clubs. And that's exactly what they did. How's that for fan appreciation?"""""""--- wow, you do have a unique ability to twist facts. I'm actually a bit impressed. They said that because of Axl's ego and his need to be the biggest and craziest at everything. Axl wanted to do million dollar vidoes and spend millions of dollars tooling around with future songs. The rest of the band just wanted to write, record and play music.

"How's that for fan appreciation"---uhhhh, sometimes you make this too easy. Since 1996, Axl has put out one album. Done 4-5 interviews? Duff, Izzy and Slash have each basically put out 10 albums of material during that time. They release music videos. They interact with fans. They meet fans back stage. They do interviews all the time. I'm not sure you actually know what "fan appreciation" means.

So basically........everything you've said is wrong. Either factually or in the way you've twisted it.

The transparent, redundant one surfaces again!! I told you to stop wasting my time Groghan!!

Nothing I said was true, but yet I proved everything! The only one twisting things here is you.

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But for fun, I'll play along.

"""Axl complained about everybody wanting to go their separate ways with GNR's success, instead of sticking closer together, like he wanted."""" Wrong, that's not what he wanted at all. Axl totally and completely removed himself from the rest of the band during the Illusions. Axl rarely showed up in the studio when the band was there. After Illusions when the band would get together to write and rehearse songs for the follow up.....guess who WOULDN"T show up or would just make occasional appearances? Your boy, that's right. Matt, Duff and Slash would have loved to worked together and kept GnR going. Axl is the one who DIDN"T want to continue GnR as a band with that group. If he wanted the band to 'stick closer together' why did he want to own the name of the band and regulate the rest of the guys to just being PAID PLAYERS?????? Everything Axl did is the OPPOSITE of what you describe.""

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Did you recall that Axl was the only sober member of the band?Drunkards and sober don't mingle. The others were a train wreck waiting to happen, so debaucherous , that nobody that was sane could handle them! They were destroying themselves and everything in their path, suicidal! Recall how Aerosmith were separated from them and refused to communicate with any of them, due to their reckless wastedness. Aerosmith ONLY communicated with Axl, whom they described as the ONLY sober, level headed member!

Izzy ALWAYS did his own thing and later didn't even travel with the band! Do you accuse Izzy of removing himself from the band?

Izzy started majorly avoiding Slash and Duff after becoming sober for fear of them sucking him into their destructive ways.

Axl, being sober, could not realistically hang out with them all the time neither. They were always looking for the next fix. Axl was the sober outcast. But Axl remained dedicated to GNR as a band,never pursued solo ambitions, and focused on ways to drive the GNR machine into the future.

As for Axl not being present when the band rehearsed the instrumental parts, nothing new, that's the way Axl ALWAYS did his practice, from the very beginning, separate from the band. Nothing had changed, that's what worked best for Axl and the band from the start. You should know that.

Axl has EVERY right to own the name. He created the band, was the oldest original member of the band, did the most work for the band, was the primary functioning brain for the band, the main force of the band, never gave up on GNR. GNR is Axl's band.

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"LOL. One album in since he took over sole ownership of GnR, rarely communicates with the fans.....how in the world is that taking GnR futher and giving the fans more? How is that showing appreciation to the fans? Again, your statement is the 100% opposite of what actually happened."

Axl is manic depressive/bipolar, and much older now. Axl has had to deal with the emotional impact of GNR split with manic depression, then regroup everything on his own, and rearrange things until he found something that worked. It wasn't going to happen overnight. But Axl has focused all his efforts entirely on GNR, and nowhere else, and has come up with something that is more and more recognized as a masterpiece.

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"""""Its true, Erin is and was a aggressive abuser of Axl and others. Stephanie was aggressive with Axl at the end."""""""" You say that as a female? Wow. Act like a bitch, get slapped like a bitch - right? Those girls got aggressive so they deserve to get beat up by their man. Holy Cow. I feel dirty just writing that. Luckily for those aggressive women - Axl decided to NOT try and clear his name and instead just pay them 1.4 million dollars to go away. Because that's what innocent people do."""-------------------------------------------------------------------

Are you stuck in some cave? Do you not realize that females are capable of abusing males, or was this not enough proof for you?

http://georgia.arrests.org/Arrests/Erin_Everly_6434460/

Think the police just made it up? Erin was given a RESTRAINING ORDER.

Need more?

http://www.helpguide.org/mental/domestic-violence-men-abused-by-women.htm

1 of every 3 domestic violence sufferer's are men! So is it right for women to abuse men? Thank God the rest of the world is evolving.

Is it just coincidence that the only relationships Axl had with violence was with abusive women who were aggressive him? Especially with his bipolar.

And it doesn't hurt to mention that Axl, was skinny, petite, of feminine size and appearance. Often mistaken for female. Not your average guy.

Axl has said he was defending himself. Witnesses confirm this. Violence is never good, but self defense is sometimes a necessary or unavoidable solution.

Even moreso if you are bipolar, less capable of managing emotions, which the women were well aware of about Axl. Not good for any of them.

This is what a girlfriend of Axl's, Michelle Young, said about Erin and Axl's relationship;

"Erin would call me and say 'Axl's crazy; he's throwing things around'. She pushed his buttons,but I know that he loved her. Axl's anger had qaudrupled from the person I use to hang out with. He used to be very carefree."

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""-- Those aggressive women deserve to be beat up!!!!! Hopefully Axl is respectful and caring towards women. Not sure how is record shows it. I think there were four different women who accused him of violent acts towards them? But I'm sure they all deserved what they got.""

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http://www.nytimes.com/movies/movie/412676/Men-Don-t-Tell/overview

So a man should get beat up, or accept abuse, just because he's a man?

Or, if its a woman, that makes it ok for her to abuse a man???

Nobody should beat on another human being, male or female!

--Axl said he was in self defense.

No, There were only two 2 women that claimed any physical violence. Erin and Stephanie. Coincidence? And Stephanie was lying because she admitted publicly there was no violence in their relationship, before they broke up. Others can confirm it.

Those 2 women are adults, who should know better, first because he's HUMAN, but also considering his bipolar condition and past abuse.

Stephanie Stated there was NO PHYSICAL violence during their relationship at all. She has said in interview they didn't even verbally argue. Others, including Axl, agreed and confirmed this.They even described their relationship as a friendship! This interview was public.So there relationship was without violence. Until Stephanie attacked him, and hosted a cocaine party with her son present, whom Axl really loved.

No other woman has claimed any physical violence in her relationship with Axl, for the record.

As for being respectful, Axl treated women as friends AND lovers, (and also most of the women weren't abusive) , which is why most of his relationships were actually very cordial. Axl has had MANY relationships. Some are Brigitte Monroe, Barbi Von Grief, Yvonne, Gina, Michelle Young, Jennifer Driver, Lindi Hingston, Dianne O'connor, Kat Mack, Rosario Dawson, Sasha Volkova, Deniz AkKaya ,besides Erin and Steph. None had physical violence, and most relationships were very cordial.

Axl also has a very good relationship with Beta.

Axl has written the best Love songs on record, "Sweet Child" "This I Love" because he has such deep reverence and feelings for women. These songs bring many women to tears. He really admires women, he wrote "Rocket queen", for a female friend and hero. He also has her tattooed on his arm. And he wrote "My Michelle" in sympathy for another female friend.

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"""""Are you blaming Axl for the bandmembers that left, of their own free will? Blame Axl for everything, even the actions of others!""""" -- yes, I am. Are you saying that Izzy didn't leave because of Axl's behavior? Are you saying Slash didn't leave because of Axl's behavior? Duff? Matt? Finck? Bucket? How many band members have to come and go through GnR before you admit that the ONE common denominator might be the problem???

"""""The ex-members had better 'priorities' than GNR; like addictions"""""---how many shows did GnR have to cancel because of their addictions? How many albums were delayed because of their addictions? How many albums and tours did Axl do with those "addiction" saddled band members? (For the record - they put out four amazing albums in five years, and they broke touring records).

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So back to blaming Axl for the breakup of the band. You really need your crutch don't you?

Well, its not because of Axl that they left. But rather their own personal weaknesses and inabilities to handle what was going on, and also to manage their addictions. Axl was the sober outcast. But to give your delayed, 'blame Axl' mind some extra help, here's some words from an insider, about the ex-band!

http://www.antimusic.com/news/08/may/10Weiland_Defends_Axl.shtml

No cancelled shows, but how many times did those members pass out on stage? Too many to count.

'They' put out four albums? If you added them together, more than four. Yet Axl puts out one, and is more successful than all the ex-members combined?

In tours, sales, the whole nine yards! Nuff said.

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/guns-n-roses-2011-tour-of-the-year-winner/

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/guns-n-roses-2012-tour-of-the-year-winners/

Axl IS GNR!

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"""""pursuing their own solo careers."""" -- they all would have rather put out another GnR record than pursing solo careers.

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No. They all (ex-members) hoped and worked towards solo careers, Fact!

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""""""Slash and Izzy said on several occasions that they resented how big GNR had become, the sheer numbers in the audience of the stadiums, and wanted to go back to the bars and clubs. And that's exactly what they did. How's that for fan appreciation?"""""""--- wow, you do have a unique ability to twist facts. I'm actually a bit impressed. They said that because of Axl's ego and his need to be the biggest and craziest at everything. Axl wanted to do million dollar vidoes and spend millions of dollars tooling around with future songs. The rest of the band just wanted to write, record and play music.

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You are such a liar. Slash and Izzy has said numerous times THEY DIDN'T LIKE HOW BIG GNR'S AUDIENCES WERE GETTING, AND BECAUSE OF THAT WANTED TO LEAVE THE BAND IN PURSUIT OF SOLO CAREERS, OR DIFFERENT SMALLER BANDS!! This is even common knowledge. They don't like large venues,deny all you want, thats the flat out truth, so deal with it!

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"How's that for fan appreciation"---uhhhh, sometimes you make this too easy. Since 1996, Axl has put out one album. Done 4-5 interviews? Duff, Izzy and Slash have each basically put out 10 albums of material during that time. They release music videos. They interact with fans. They meet fans back stage. They do interviews all the time. I'm not sure you actually know what "fan appreciation" means.

So basically........everything you've said is wrong. Either factually or in the way you've twisted it.

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Welcoming and embracing large audiences rather than rejecting them, playing longer and giving 1000% in each and every show so no fan feels cheated, staying focused on GNR's success rather than doing 10,000 unrelated trivial projects, that's fan appreciation, and that Axl does 1000X's over, world's Greatest Frontman.

I have PROVED everything I've said.

So you see, EVERYTHING you said was WRONG, denial, and twisted to suit your anti-Axl agenda!

He didn't mind the huge numbers of fans that were gained, and he was not occupying any of his time in search of a solo career. He focused only on GNR, and wanted GNR to progress, always trying to please the fans.

But...here's where the two-sides-to-every-story bit comes into play. Duff, Matt, Slash, and others involved with the band at the time have all expressed how they felt that Axl was effectively turning GN'R into a solo vehicle, dictating the direction it was headed and being bullheaded about certain things. (And Axl has accused them of the same, such as his claim that Slash abandoned the Fall to Pieces riff when he expressed interest in it.) No doubt there was a lot of bitterness back then. But just look at what Axl did regarding the Sympathy for the Devil cover: it's pretty clear there were faults on both ends. Whether their ongoing drug addictions and lack of focus led to his gradual control of the band is beside the point: they sought solo ventures partly because they felt the band was becoming Axl's. And after they left/were fired, he regrouped with new members, which furthers the idea that he kind of viewed GN'R as a brand more than a band. Whether that was appropriate or not is what has divided fans for almost 20 years now. Your thread is really nothing fresh or insightful in that regard, and you're not going to change anyone's minds around here.

Well said. However, still forgot something. Slash and Izzy, have said over and over, they were not comfortable with the size of the audiences and how it was growing. Too many fans !!! They wanted out, and for that reason they began pursuing solo careers. Not because of Axl, at least initially. Too many in the GNR community have ignored these things, and only focused on Axl. Also, Axl should not have to stop his dreams and visions because the others walked away, they were not fired, he had the right to continue.

Truadmirer fucking rules

LEAVE HER ALONE!!!

Thank you sweety . Its just frustrating to somebody who can see the whole picture, and how Axl has been unfairly mistreated.And he really cares about the fans

i don't think any true fan here denies that izzy leaving was the beginning of the end, realistically speaking.

Well, I happen to like Chinese Democracy.It was a great piece of work, that people came to gradually realize. I totally see Axl bringing promise back into the future of GNR. Axl has always been the mainstay of GNR.

He didn't mind the huge numbers of fans that were gained, and he was not occupying any of his time in search of a solo career. He focused only on GNR, and wanted GNR to progress, always trying to please the fans.

But...here's where the two-sides-to-every-story bit comes into play. Duff, Matt, Slash, and others involved with the band at the time have all expressed how they felt that Axl was effectively turning GN'R into a solo vehicle, dictating the direction it was headed and being bullheaded about certain things. (And Axl has accused them of the same, such as his claim that Slash abandoned the Fall to Pieces riff when he expressed interest in it.) No doubt there was a lot of bitterness back then. But just look at what Axl did regarding the Sympathy for the Devil cover: it's pretty clear there were faults on both ends. Whether their ongoing drug addictions and lack of focus led to his gradual control of the band is beside the point: they sought solo ventures partly because they felt the band was becoming Axl's. And after they left/were fired, he regrouped with new members, which furthers the idea that he kind of viewed GN'R as a brand more than a band. Whether that was appropriate or not is what has divided fans for almost 20 years now. Your thread is really nothing fresh or insightful in that regard, and you're not going to change anyone's minds around here.

Well said. However, still forgot something. Slash and Izzy, have said over and over, they were not comfortable with the size of the audiences and how it was growing. Too many fans !!! They wanted out, and for that reason they began pursuing solo careers. Not because of Axl, at least initially. Too many in the GNR community have ignored these things, and only focused on Axl. Also, Axl should not have to stop his dreams and visions because the others walked away, they were not fired, he had the right to continue.

Izzy didn't like playing to huge crowds. Where has Slash, the same guy who has played The Super Bowl, Download, Rock Am Ring, Ozzfest, Ribfest, and countless other massive venues since leaving GNR ever say "too many fans"?

Sweety, haven't you read Slash's biography?

He complains about it repeatedly.

He didn't mind the huge numbers of fans that were gained, and he was not occupying any of his time in search of a solo career. He focused only on GNR, and wanted GNR to progress, always trying to please the fans.

But...here's where the two-sides-to-every-story bit comes into play. Duff, Matt, Slash, and others involved with the band at the time have all expressed how they felt that Axl was effectively turning GN'R into a solo vehicle, dictating the direction it was headed and being bullheaded about certain things. (And Axl has accused them of the same, such as his claim that Slash abandoned the Fall to Pieces riff when he expressed interest in it.) No doubt there was a lot of bitterness back then. But just look at what Axl did regarding the Sympathy for the Devil cover: it's pretty clear there were faults on both ends. Whether their ongoing drug addictions and lack of focus led to his gradual control of the band is beside the point: they sought solo ventures partly because they felt the band was becoming Axl's. And after they left/were fired, he regrouped with new members, which furthers the idea that he kind of viewed GN'R as a brand more than a band. Whether that was appropriate or not is what has divided fans for almost 20 years now. Your thread is really nothing fresh or insightful in that regard, and you're not going to change anyone's minds around here.

Well said. However, still forgot something. Slash and Izzy, have said over and over, they were not comfortable with the size of the audiences and how it was growing. Too many fans !!! They wanted out, and for that reason they began pursuing solo careers. Not because of Axl, at least initially. Too many in the GNR community have ignored these things, and only focused on Axl. Also, Axl should not have to stop his dreams and visions because the others walked away, they were not fired, he had the right to continue.

Truadmirer fucking rules

LEAVE HER ALONE!!!

Thank you sweety . Its just frustrating to somebody who can see the whole picture, and how Axl has been unfairly mistreated.And he really cares about the fans

I agree, Axl is a thoroughly nice chap. He always treats his women with respect and care. He is such a nice work collegue, that no band member has ever left Guns N' Roses. GN'R is literally, the cosiest team ever. Additionally, he is nice to his fans, always keeping them informed, always diving into them to see if they are alright. Axl was so distraught over Hetfield's injury, that he refused to play - that is what a decent sort he is.

Well, Axl IS respectful and caring towards women, who are not violent and aggressive themselves. And his record shows it.

Are you blaming Axl for the bandmembers that left, of their own free will? Blame Axl for everything, even the actions of others!

The ex-members had better 'priorities' than GNR; like addictions, pursuing their own solo careers. Slash and Izzy said on several occasions that they resented how big GNR had become, the sheer numbers in the audience of the stadiums, and wanted to go back to the bars and clubs. And that's exactly what they did. How's that for fan appreciation?

Duff left for his family.

Axl complained about everybody wanting to go their separate ways with GNR's success, instead of sticking closer together, like he wanted. Axl was the one that remained loyal to GNR, appreciated the fans, and had the vision and determination to take GNR further. To give the fans more. Its not his fault the others bailed out!

Whew. At first I thought you truly were one of those creepy people that worship celebrities.

Then I read this post and realized you are just being sarcastic and trying to show your dry sense of humor.

You got me - good job.

And good job on your posts in here. Especially this last one. You've managed to twist several negative aspects of Axl's career and life and either justify or blame it all on other people!

Your sense of humor isn't for everybody, but I enjoy it! Thanks for posts and laughs!!!

No, I've just given the complete picture, which by your own words, vindicate Axl. Its true, Erin is and was a aggressive abuser of Axl and others. Stephanie was aggressive with Axl at the end.

The others in the band weren't faultless, innocent bystanders, with no motives of their own.

STOP...........you are cracking me up. I'm trying to get some work done!!!!

Your posts are cracking me up. Satire at its finest.

Oh, and you didn't answer my earlier question.

Do you think people who worship celebrities are just "true" fans, or do you agree with the rest of the world that they are creepy and are probably suffering from some sort of mental illness?

You are so transparent, and redundant. I've answered all your questions, go back and see. Clearly, you can't handle the truth. So stop wasting my time.

Axl complained about everybody wanting to go their separate ways with GNR's success, instead of sticking closer together, like he wanted. Axl was the one that remained loyal to GNR, appreciated the fans, and had the vision and determination to take GNR further. To give the fans more. Its not his fault the others bailed out!y.

You are reducing a very complex history to an insultingly simplistic level. I'm not saying Axl was solely to blame, but neither were the other guys. Sure, in Axl's mind, they abandoned GN'R and he remained dedicated to the band's future. That was his reasoning, and to an extent that's an accurate enough statement. But on the flipside, they've all outlined their various reasons for feeling disillusioned by GN'R and the direction it was headed, regardless of whether they were partying too much. It was a situation where everyone just got burnt out, there were a lot of clashing egos and a lot of money involved, a lot of excess and debauchery, and the band was growing apart from each other and becoming diluted as more original members dropped out of the picture. It is what it is. But to say Axl was in the right about everything is really simplifying something that isn't quite so straightforward as you'd perhaps like to believe.

Well, I appreciate your objectivity, unlike some others here.

I'm sure things were more complicated than can all be mentioned at once, but overall, Axl was the sober, driven one, that stuck to GNR.

He didn't mind the huge numbers of fans that were gained, and he was not occupying any of his time in search of a solo career. He focused only on GNR, and wanted GNR to progress, always trying to please the fans.

I agree, Axl is a thoroughly nice chap. He always treats his women with respect and care. He is such a nice work collegue, that no band member has ever left Guns N' Roses. GN'R is literally, the cosiest team ever. Additionally, he is nice to his fans, always keeping them informed, always diving into them to see if they are alright. Axl was so distraught over Hetfield's injury, that he refused to play - that is what a decent sort he is.

Well, Axl IS respectful and caring towards women, who are not violent and aggressive themselves. And his record shows it.

Are you blaming Axl for the bandmembers that left, of their own free will? Blame Axl for everything, even the actions of others!

The ex-members had better 'priorities' than GNR; like addictions, pursuing their own solo careers. Slash and Izzy said on several occasions that they resented how big GNR had become, the sheer numbers in the audience of the stadiums, and wanted to go back to the bars and clubs. And that's exactly what they did. How's that for fan appreciation?

Duff left for his family.

Axl complained about everybody wanting to go their separate ways with GNR's success, instead of sticking closer together, like he wanted. Axl was the one that remained loyal to GNR, appreciated the fans, and had the vision and determination to take GNR further. To give the fans more. Its not his fault the others bailed out!

Whew. At first I thought you truly were one of those creepy people that worship celebrities.

Then I read this post and realized you are just being sarcastic and trying to show your dry sense of humor.

You got me - good job.

And good job on your posts in here. Especially this last one. You've managed to twist several negative aspects of Axl's career and life and either justify or blame it all on other people!

Your sense of humor isn't for everybody, but I enjoy it! Thanks for posts and laughs!!!

No, I've just given the complete picture, which by your own words, vindicate Axl. Its true, Erin is and was a aggressive abuser of Axl and others. Stephanie was aggressive with Axl at the end, when they had their fight. The only relationships for Axl with violence.

The others in the band weren't faultless, innocent bystanders, with no motives or free will of their own.

I agree, Axl is a thoroughly nice chap. He always treats his women with respect and care. He is such a nice work collegue, that no band member has ever left Guns N' Roses. GN'R is literally, the cosiest team ever. Additionally, he is nice to his fans, always keeping them informed, always diving into them to see if they are alright. Axl was so distraught over Hetfield's injury, that he refused to play - that is what a decent sort he is.

Well, Axl IS respectful and caring towards women, who are not violent and aggressive themselves (and plain devious-Stephanie). And his record shows it.

Are you blaming Axl for the bandmembers that left, of their own free will? Blame Axl for everything, even the actions of others!

The ex-members had better 'priorities' than GNR; like addictions, pursuing their own solo careers. Slash and Izzy said on several occasions that they resented how big GNR had become, the sheer numbers in the audience of the stadiums, and wanted to go back to the bars and clubs. And that's exactly what they did. How's that for fan appreciation?

Duff left for his family.

Axl complained about everybody wanting to go their separate ways with GNR's success, instead of sticking closer together, like he wanted. Axl was the only one that remained loyal to GNR, appreciated the fans, was sober and had the vision and determination to take GNR further. To give the fans more. Its not his fault the others bailed out!

I've only been an Axl/GNR fan now for about a year and a half.

I totally came to love and respect everyone in the band, especially Axl. But over time, I have read some comments that has baffled me. I was absolutely flabergasted, Axl's good heart is very easy to see. He is also humble.

I just couldn't see why some negative comments on Axl were being made.

It really doesnt take much to see below the surface to what a really good guy he is.

From the beginning there was a lot of Jealousy against Axl primarily in both the media, and rock industry. Axl has often complained about this. As soon as they saw how successful Axl was with people, and that he had so much power with people, they went on the attack! People would literally riot on a whim over Axl!

He has also said that the more successful he got, the worse it became.

I looked, and tried to see where all of this negativity started !

Would you believe, as hard as it is to believe, that THIS is the very incident where they first labeled the band dangerous, and especially Axl! They even blamed Axl, when he is clearly doing everything he can to help, the very opposite of what was reported in media!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M125PLevphk

But why are some people in the public so easily brainwashed?

Axl has made some mistakes, like everyone has, but He is truly a good man deep down that doesn't deserve the negative things said of him.

WHat we have here is...an emerging Axl nutter... a true defender of the faith..a person who recognizes that Axl is the messiah and will lead the faithful masses back to the promised land. Woe unto you who proclaim to know what Axl himself has openly discussed and addressed.. for you will be severely mistaken in your opinion. let us Pray:

Oh father who art on Stage hollowed by thy scream.. thy deeds be done so we can have fun .. in both realitys and illusionsthat thou has layed out before me. Give us the stregnth to refrain from seeing you as HUMAN and let us not discuss the truths that you so desperately need us to deny. Let us be quick to rip the faces off of those that would detract from your awesomeness even if we have to beg cheat steal and lie. Let us take up your holy cause and banish all things Slash and the past so we MAY find favor in your anger and fury. Let us not whine let us not be disappointed that you no longer speak to us.. no longer write and record music that fills our dismal souls with soothing and provacative purpose. Please oh lord Axl.. let the masses hear your thunderous melody give unto us.. a sign that your still alive. Amen

*this blasphemy was sponsored by End the Spin productions.

You're being ridiculous! Nobody said anything about a messiah. Though Axl is a remarkable and gifted human being. Just pointing out things that have been incorrect about him over the years. The media has a reputation for this,slander, and Axl has been a major recipient of media slander.

Traud - do you think people who worship Celebrities are just "true" fans or do you think they have deep rooted mental issues?

There's a difference between truth and worship, Groghan.

Beating? How about this?

http://inmates.fulto...ditid1=1028988

I can not open the link...

Sorry about that. You do know that Erin Everly, who was aggressive all along to Axl, was finally arrested for domestic violence on her spouse and child?

http://georgia.arrests.org/Arrests/Erin_Everly_6434460/

Lead singers have to be egomaniacs, but not to where it's crippling the band. Telling your fans to beat the shit out of someone in the audience isn't being an asshole?

Not when the assholes in the audience can't stop throwing objects at people on the stage, causing safety hazards! That in fact makes Axl honorable!

Let's talk instead about Axl Rose's domestic battery, or does that not suit your agenda?

Domestic battery between two adults is on a different level than pedophilia, and don't try to act like its not.

Also, on Erin's "battery", it seems Erin was pretty good at that herself. In fact, Erin was described as the aggressive one in the relationship with Axl, by people who witnessed them. And it later came out she was a continued domestic abuser even with her new spouse and children needing a restraining order. So lets get the facts straight before crying victim for aggressive, violent Erin.

And while on the subject, what about Slash's responsibility for the death of his best friend (poss. negligent homicide?) Or is that against your agenda?

http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=5990