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Yes, all you naysayers of the original/classic band sure won out.

Now we can all go back to the nonstop nostalgic cover shows, and wonder, hope, and pray for a new nu album that's realistically about half a mile closer to happening than a actual reunion...

And we all know how far, far, far, away a reunion was from reality. You guys just went on and on and on and on and on about it since December. Thanks for the reality check, now I guess I'll return the favor...

Yippie, what a glorious occasion, now the whole world can be let down as the "GNR" name gets further dragged through the mud on April 14th. But as long as you 60-80 nu band fans are happy.

Enjoy your victories everybody!

You'll never see her make the same "jokes" about Slash.

That's because Slash is not a singer.

Axl is fat! - Slash too.

Other than that I got nothing at the moment.

Slash is fat?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oae8ighlCA

First fat guy with a six pack I've ever seen. Just sayin...

How classy would it be if Axl came out with one of his press releases saying that for one night and one night only...only for the fans...that he will play a few songs with the band. And then go there separate ways. The world will always want and ask for a gnr reunion. Promoters have been throwing offers at Axl for yrs. All that wont change. So why not throw a bone to the people who got you there. I respect Axls decision to carry on the gnr name. I have been on his side this whole time. Playing one night with the old band is not caving in, is not selling out.

Exactly what I've been saying since day one. The general population will always want a reunion over what we have now regardless. A one night only show won't do much to change that. Especially if Axl just emphasized that notion beforehand. It's just petty and stupid that he won't do it. Slash didn't mass murder Axl's family, they had a falling out over what to do with the band. 17 years ago. Get the fuck it already. Throw the fans a bone already and put the pissing contest aside for 20 minutes. What's complex about that?

GNR are about to play their second major european tour in 2 years with again the majority of tunes on the setlists coming from the old lineup, so whats the difference if they played one or 2 songs at the HOF with the old lineup? either way theres going to be a lot of conversations about why they didnt play together or how great it was that they did...

I don't see how the two are related.

As for the "constant greatest hits tours," greatest hits tours don't include 7 songs from your new album, obscure covers, deep cuts from EPs, etc.

A very poorly written and illogical attempt to criticize the band.

And if there was no difference between a reunion and the current band continuing to play classic material, then why do you even want a reunion? Your own premise suggests that there's no need for a reunion. Wow, fail.

#trollbetter

An album that, let's be honest, most people wouldn't bat an eye if those songs were removed. When your shows consist of 80% of songs most of the "band" didn't play on, you're basically a glorified cover act.

And the difference between the nu band partaking in a mostly nostalgic tour, and the original band doing a nostalgia tour, is that all the masterminds behind the music are all there together.

Damm_Smooth, couldn't understand the cluster fuck that was your last post, so I'll just say what I said again.

And you know he and/or his management didn't possibly make contact with Beta, Fernando, or somebody associated with Axl...how?

How did a thread that proves that Slash is a spineless, two-faced liar turn in to a Slash vs. DJ and an everybody vs. MSL thread?

I could see if Slash was still drinking and doing drugs like back when he had talent, but totally switching his story 2 days after he refused to play has nothing to do with memory at this point in time.

He didn't change his story. In fact, it was more or less what I thought. Seems like Axl's people were in contact with him, but he didn't have contact with Axl "directly".

Never has he ever said he didn't want to play. You're just trying to twist shit to make Slash look like some anti-christ.

I have no need to twist anything, and Slash as any form of anti-christ would be a complete failure.

I will admit that I didn't waste my time listening to an interview with someone that I lost interest in long ago, but I did read the thread title and the first post.

So day 1, Slash doesn't want to play, day 2, Slash doesn't want to talk about the HOF, and day 3, Slash wants everyone to forget day 1 and 2 and blame Axl so he can come off as the good guy to his overly-gullible fans.

Typical.

Only Slash never said he didn't want to play, he said they weren't playing. And it turns out from this most recent interview, well at least implied, that he was apparently in some kind of contact with Axl's people. Just not Axl "directly". Which seems pretty believable to me...

So he met some guy that used to be roomates with Beta's uncle's nephew's ex girlfriend, or something along those lines, and he decided that they weren't playing.

Got it.

Maybe he should get in contact with someone real before deciding not to play though.

How did a thread that proves that Slash is a spineless, two-faced liar turn in to a Slash vs. DJ and an everybody vs. MSL thread?

I could see if Slash was still drinking and doing drugs like back when he had talent, but totally switching his story 2 days after he refused to play has nothing to do with memory at this point in time.

He didn't change his story. In fact, it was more or less what I thought. Seems like Axl's people were in contact with him, but he didn't have contact with Axl "directly".

Never has he ever said he didn't want to play. You're just trying to twist shit to make Slash look like some anti-christ.

I have no need to twist anything, and Slash as any form of anti-christ would be a complete failure.

I will admit that I didn't waste my time listening to an interview with someone that I lost interest in long ago, but I did read the thread title and the first post.

So day 1, Slash doesn't want to play, day 2, Slash doesn't want to talk about the HOF, and day 3, Slash wants everyone to forget day 1 and 2 and blame Axl so he can come off as the good guy to his overly-gullible fans.

Typical.

Day 1, Smooth speaks like he knew exactly what Slash meant, Day 2 He admits he has no clue what the fuck hes talking about as usual.

Slash simply stated at first he didnt expect them to play as there wasnt any communication. This interview basically says the same thing and he repeats as he has in the past that he would like to play.

Your reading comprehension skills are seriously lacking my friend. I have not, and never will, admit that I don't know what I'm talking about.

Slash is simply trying to backtrack because he knows how easy it is to get his fans, such as yourself, to blame Axl for anything he wants you to blame Axl for.

And you know he and/or his management didn't possibly make contact with Beta, Fernando, or somebody associated with Axl...how?

How did a thread that proves that Slash is a spineless, two-faced liar turn in to a Slash vs. DJ and an everybody vs. MSL thread?

I could see if Slash was still drinking and doing drugs like back when he had talent, but totally switching his story 2 days after he refused to play has nothing to do with memory at this point in time.

He didn't change his story. In fact, it was more or less what I thought. Seems like Axl's people were in contact with him, but he didn't have contact with Axl "directly".

Never has he ever said he didn't want to play. You're just trying to twist shit to make Slash look like some anti-christ.

I have no need to twist anything, and Slash as any form of anti-christ would be a complete failure.

I will admit that I didn't waste my time listening to an interview with someone that I lost interest in long ago, but I did read the thread title and the first post.

So day 1, Slash doesn't want to play, day 2, Slash doesn't want to talk about the HOF, and day 3, Slash wants everyone to forget day 1 and 2 and blame Axl so he can come off as the good guy to his overly-gullible fans.

Typical.

Only Slash never said he didn't want to play, he said they weren't playing. And it turns out from this most recent interview, well at least implied, that he was apparently in some kind of contact with Axl's people. Just not Axl "directly". Which seems pretty believable to me...and was what I suspected and said two days ago...

BS -

Yes, the rock charts. Ashba has had multiple #1 hits at Active Rock radio here in the US in the last five years. Slash's resume improves if you go back far enough to include Contraband, but the statement I made that had the school girls giggling pertained only to the last five years.

I count one. "Lies of the Beautiful People" was number one on the mainstream rock charts for two weeks in 2011. I don't see any others on the mainstream rock charts, or the modern rock charts going as far back as 2007.

How did a thread that proves that Slash is a spineless, two-faced liar turn in to a Slash vs. DJ and an everybody vs. MSL thread?

I could see if Slash was still drinking and doing drugs like back when he had talent, but totally switching his story 2 days after he refused to play has nothing to do with memory at this point in time.

He didn't change his story. In fact, it was more or less what I thought. Seems like Axl's people were in contact with him, but he didn't have contact with Axl "directly".

Never has he ever said he didn't want to play. You're just trying to twist shit to make Slash look like some anti-christ.

BS -

Yes. Not only did Lies of the Beautiful People go to #1 on the charts and a subsequent single crack the top ten, "Life is Beautiful" was the #1 rock song of the entire year of 2008. It was at the top of the charts for several months and is one of the biggest rock hits of the last ten years.

You mean the rock charts? I can't seem to find any links or sources for it's charts positions. The only thing I found was that "Life is Beautiful" reached #2 on the billboard modern rock charts, so I don't know where you're getting these other numbers from...

Because if we're talking from the past decade, Slither was number one on the mainstream rock charts for 9 weeks, and number 1 on the modern rock charts for 4 weeks. Fall to Pieces reached the number one spot on the mainstream rock charts for 11 weeks, while hitting number 2 on the modern rock charts. Shit, even She Builds Quick Machines reached number 2 on the mainstream rock charts as well. Slither hit 56 on the top 100, and FTP hit 67 on the top 100. Quite impressive feats. if you ask me...

And I'll put DJ's best riffs from the last five years up against Slash's any day.

:rofl-lol: Funniest post of the year.

If my post was so funny, you should be able to easily name all of the great songs Slash has written in the last five years.

Interesting that you chose not to.

Meanwhile, DJ has written several major hits in the last five years, including one of the biggest rock hits of the last decade.

I also live in 2012 and don't see why it's required to long for 1987 in order to call yourself a fan. I'm enjoying 2012 quite nicely.

2012 GNR primarily covers 2002, 1991 and especially 1987 GNR. I'm waiting to hear the rest of the Chinese Democracy era material, but I'd much rather have a new album from the 1987 GNR than the 2012 GNR.

GNR still has a member left from '87, two members left from '91, five members left from '02, etc. Not sure they're exactly "covering" that material . . .

And I'll put DJ's best riffs from the last five years up against Slash's any day.

:rofl-lol: Funniest post of the year.

One too many steel chairs to the head, methinks.

Go for it dude. Instead of insulting my mental capacity, why not list songs Slash has written in the last five years that you feel disprove my premise.

Or are you allergic to facts?

What are these "major riffs/hits" DJ has written? I've heard "Lies of the Beautiful People" a few times last year on fm radio and that was it. Has any of his shit charted?

Interesting but as some others have mentioned, doing so would undo everything Axl has been trying to do for years. It is a catch 22 either way.

It's not the fans fault that Axl has only managed to release one album since the Hall of Fame GNR broke up. I don't think there is really anything to undo at this point.

Yes, I really don't understand this logic...

I think not performing a quick set at the hof would more than likely do Axl more harm than good. Even if it somehow wasn't his fault, or sole decision, he'd still come off as the asshole who denied the fans quite a juicy bone, suffer a lot of public ridicule, and get crucified in the press.

Where as if he just did it, it would just be a temporary inflation to an already existent problem. Sure, the public is aware Slash and co are out of current day "Guns N Roses", but it doesn't mean they're happy with it. The general public is ALWAYS going to want the original/classic incarnation of GNR over what we have today. Axl has never succeeded in gaining the public preference to the nu band. And probably never will. It's just one fucking night. 1-3 songs; 20 minutes tops. The fans end up happy, see Axl in a better light, the reunion gossip goes up for a couple of months, and then Axl continues to do whatever he wants to do with the nu band, Slash and co go back to their projects, and we're back to where we are now. Don't understand why it'd be too hard for Axl to clarify this is as a one night deal. Simple twitter post a few days beforehand would suffice. He, and the rest of the inductees seem to be aware that this is for the fans. Nothing says thank you for the years of support louder than that.

I mean, if the nu band's status is still THAT fragile after 15 years of work, maybe Axl should reevaluate what he's trying to accomplish...

Yet, he's been selling out arenas around the world.

Based on what material? The hits that still make up 80% of the setlist?

And who are the fans more than likely coming to see? The unique legendary singer who sang on those hits that make up 80% of the setlist, right?

My point was, the general public, all over the world, still wants the original/classic GNR over what we have today. That is fact, and a fact Axl has never been able to change.

I think not performing a quick set at the hof would more than likely do Axl more harm than good. Even if it somehow wasn't his fault, or sole decision, he'd still come off as the asshole who denied the fans quite a juicy bone, suffer a lot of public ridicule, and get crucified in the press.

Where as if he just did it, it would just be a temporary inflation to an already existent problem. Sure, the public is aware Slash and co are out of current day "Guns N Roses", but it doesn't mean they're happy with it. The general public is ALWAYS going to want the original/classic incarnation of GNR over what we have today. Axl has never succeeded in gaining the public preference to the nu band. And probably never will. It's just one fucking night. 1-3 songs; 20 minutes tops. The fans end up happy, see Axl in a better light, the reunion gossip goes up for a couple of months, and then Axl continues to do whatever he wants to do with the nu band, Slash and co go back to their projects, and we're back to where we are now. He, and the rest of the inductees seem to be aware that this is for the fans. Nothing says thank you for the years of support louder than that.

I mean, if the nu band's status is still THAT fragile after 15 years of work, maybe Axl should reevaluate what he's trying to accomplish...

Come on, it's been almost 4 full years since Chinese Democracy. And that is long in itself compared to some artists/bands these days...

Now put into consideration the wait since 1993 for that album, and then add on that we was aware of 75% of CD's tracklist for 5-10 years prior. I don't think it's being greedy of the fans to be curious to hear new material, and I don't think it should be labeled as so.

It's been much closer to three years than four years, which is why I say three years. You say "almost 4 full years" because you've allowed your emotion to influence your ability to analyze facts.

And while it may be a long time compared to SOME bands, it is *NOT* a long time compared to bands from the 80s with massive worldwide followings.

But Axl was working on more than just CD during that 14 year period, wasn't he? So the fact that it's going on four years with nothing, absolutely nothing, is a bit absurd, given that Axl's had more than enough time to get his shit together, and the initial intentions he's told us throughout the years. But that's just me I guess...

And where did this "possible Axl appearance" stem from? The guys themselves, or press related "I heard from the grapevine" crap? Because from what we know from later on, Axle had a straight up rabid hatred for Slash, Duff and Axl weren't cool yet, there were back and forth lawsuits going about, so I just can't see how anybody in the band could have thought Axl was going to show up. Looks more like the press was just milking that reunion crowd, and strengthens Slash's implications that he did want to do a half assed reunion, when it wasn't a reunion. Seemed like he was trying to dodge a media frenzy.

It doesn't matter where it stems from. The point is that if you read the comments in their entirety, there is no indication given by Slash that his decision to not play that night was anything other than an independent one.

Ali

Yeah, it was his decision. But it's apples and oranges. If you read the comments seems like he doesn't want to promote a half assed reunion as a gnr reunion. He pretty much says this. Pretty hard to interpret it any other way.

The hof is on a much bigger scale. Slash has said in the past he'd be willing to do it if they could start communicating. They all realize how important this is to the fans. I'm confident slash wouldn't have told the fans no, unless a confirmed no was given to him. He was just being the messenger, and nothing he's said in this current article suggests that he's the reason a reunion performance at the hof is not happening

He doesn't say that in relation to it being half-assed or being related to Axl's appearance or lack thereof that night.

It's not apples and oranges, therefore. The HOF is on a bigger scale, but the underlying question is one of a reunion regardless of the occasion.

Ali

The way he says "I can't support it, because that's not what it is", seems to mean that he didn't want to support the impression that this was a gnr reunion, when it wasn't. Why wasn't it? Hmm. Seems like an easy enough puzzle...

And where did this "possible Axl appearance" stem from? The guys themselves, or press related "I heard from the grapevine" crap? Because from what we know from later on, Axle had a straight up rabid hatred for Slash, Duff and Axl weren't cool yet, there were back and forth lawsuits going about, so I just can't see how anybody in the band could have thought Axl was going to show up. Looks more like the press was just milking that reunion crowd, and strengthens Slash's implications that he did want to do a half assed reunion, when it wasn't a reunion. Seemed like he was trying to dodge a media frenzy.

It doesn't matter where it stems from. The point is that if you read the comments in their entirety, there is no indication given by Slash that his decision to not play that night was anything other than an independent one.

Ali

Yeah, it was his decision. But it's apples and oranges. If you read the comments seems like he doesn't want to promote a half assed reunion as a gnr reunion. He pretty much says this. Pretty hard to interpret it any other way.

The hof is on a much bigger scale. Slash has said in the past he'd be willing to do it if they could start communicating. They all realize how important this is to the fans. I'm confident slash wouldn't have told the fans no, unless a confirmed no was given to him. He was just being the messenger, and nothing he's said in this current article suggests that he's the reason a reunion performance at the hof is not happening

Again,

The point Smooth is trying to twist to help defend his lord and savior Axl, implies to those with common sense that Axl and Slash themselves haven't talked face to face, or man to man about their zerogame plans. Doesn't mean their managers weren't talking to each other in terms of a performance. Each to their own.

I'm confident that Slash wouldn't throw a solid no to a performance, unless a solid no was given to him. NOTHING in this article means, or indicates he's the one refusing to play. He's just the messenger in this scenario. And actually, I think he should be commended for not keeping the fans in the dark any longer.

Really? You're confident about that? Do you remember the 20th Anniversary of AFD and the Key Club gig? Yes, Axl did not show up for that. But, Slash independently elected to not perform.

http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=78428

Once I started getting phone calls and e-mails from all over the world about this gig, I said, 'You know what? I can't support it as such 'cause that's not what it is.' So I went down there but I didn't wanna get up and play because I didn't wanna fuel that any further. So I think Duff got up and played, and Izzy got up and played, and it was what it was, but I don't see any reunion happening for real."

Ali

That was also during the time when Axl released a statement about Slash showing up at his house wanting to talk things through and said bad things about Scott and Duff. slash didnt preform because he wanted to give the impression he was committed to VR

Axl released that statement more than a year before that Key Club gig in 2007. It was in May 2007 that Slash admitted he lied initially about visiting Axl's house.

Yeah, you cracked the case on that one, Sherlock. That's exactly how I am. That's exactly what I was saying.

Pathetically immature

Ali

It what you always say! It's all you ever say! I just thought I'd save you the trouble of posting again. All you have to do is copy and paste that each time now! You're welcome!

The classic sign of someone who has nothing of substance to say in a discussion is when they engage in a personal attack as opposed to responding to the point the other party has made

Again,

The point Smooth is trying to twist to help defend his lord and savior Axl, implies to those with common sense that Axl and Slash themselves haven't talked face to face, or man to man about their game plans. Doesn't mean their managers weren't talking to each other in terms of a performance. Each to their own.

I'm confident that Slash wouldn't throw a solid no to a performance, unless a solid no was given to him. NOTHING in this article means, or indicates he's the one refusing to play. He's just the messenger in this scenario. And actually, I think he should be commended for not keeping the fans in the dark any longer.

Really? You're confident about that? Do you remember the 20th Anniversary of AFD and the Key Club gig? Yes, Axl did not show up for that. But, Slash independently elected to not perform.

http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=78428

Once I started getting phone calls and e-mails from all over the world about this gig, I said, 'You know what? I can't support it as such 'cause that's not what it is.' So I went down there but I didn't wanna get up and play because I didn't wanna fuel that any further. So I think Duff got up and played, and Izzy got up and played, and it was what it was, but I don't see any reunion happening for real."

Ali

That was also during the time when Axl released a statement about Slash showing up at his house wanting to talk things through and said bad things about Scott and Duff. slash didnt preform because he wanted to give the impression he was committed to VR

^This statement, and the fact where he says "I can't support it as such, cause that's not what it is", meaning it's not a GNR reunion, without all the core of GNR, specifically Axl, playing. So why would he support it as such when the end result probably would've led to more trouble than it was worth, promoting (or implying) it as a GNR reunion when it's not? Apples and oranges my friend.

No, that's you reading into his statement. He said nothing about Axl's appearance or gave any indication that affected his stance. Sorry. Read the whole statement. He mentions Axl's possible appearance, or the rumor of his appearance. Your point only stands if he knew Axl was not going to be there.

Ali

And where did this "possible Axl appearance" stem from? The guys themselves, or press related "I heard from the grapevine" crap? Because from what we know from later on, Axle had a straight up rabid hatred for Slash, Duff and Axl weren't cool yet, there were back and forth lawsuits going about, so I just can't see how anybody in the band could have thought Axl was going to show up. Looks more like the press was just milking that reunion crowd, and strengthens Slash's implications that he did want to do a half assed reunion, when it wasn't a reunion. Seemed like he was trying to dodge a media frenzy.

Again,

The point Smooth is trying to twist to help defend his lord and savior Axl, implies to those with common sense that Axl and Slash themselves haven't talked face to face, or man to man about their game plans. Doesn't mean their managers weren't talking to each other in terms of a performance. Each to their own.

I'm confident that Slash wouldn't throw a solid no to a performance, unless a solid no was given to him. NOTHING in this article means, or indicates he's the one refusing to play. He's just the messenger in this scenario. And actually, I think he should be commended for not keeping the fans in the dark any longer.

Really? You're confident about that? Do you remember the 20th Anniversary of AFD and the Key Club gig? Yes, Axl did not show up for that. But, Slash independently elected to not perform.

http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=78428

Once I started getting phone calls and e-mails from all over the world about this gig, I said, 'You know what? I can't support it as such 'cause that's not what it is.' So I went down there but I didn't wanna get up and play because I didn't wanna fuel that any further. So I think Duff got up and played, and Izzy got up and played, and it was what it was, but I don't see any reunion happening for real."

Ali

That was also during the time when Axl released a statement about Slash showing up at his house wanting to talk things through and said bad things about Scott and Duff. slash didnt preform because he wanted to give the impression he was committed to VR

^This statement, and the fact where he says "I can't support it as such, cause that's not what it is", meaning it's not a GNR reunion, without all the core of GNR, specifically Axl, playing. So why would he support it as such when the end result probably would've led to more trouble than it was worth, promoting (or implying) it as a GNR reunion when it's not? Apples and oranges my friend.

Again,

The point Smooth is trying to twist to help defend his lord and savior Axl, implies to those with common sense that Axl and Slash themselves haven't talked face to face, or man to man about their game plans. Doesn't mean their managers weren't talking to each other in terms of a performance. Each to their own.

I'm confident that Slash wouldn't throw a solid no to a performance, unless a solid no was given to him. NOTHING in this article means, or indicates he's the one refusing to play. He's just the messenger in this scenario. And actually, I think he should be commended for not keeping the fans in the dark any longer.

I think it's a combination of Axl's fear of failure and further ridicule, and the record company not believing in another "Guns N Roses" album without any of the people who made Guns N Roses what it was. I mean, honestly, how many people believe the label still has faith in nu guns in terms of new material?

How is "Axl not ready to be done with CD"? He's about to tour the same places he already has SINCE the album has been released. Talk about beating a dead horse. It's done and over with, and it's been done and over with for years. The publics' opinion of it is already cemented in stone. That ship has sailed.

Well there has to be something wrong since newguns has only released one album compared to old guns who were less together than newguns and released 4 albums+1 cover album

Record company.

I kinda find it hard to believe that this is all due to his perfectionism. It must be some kind of problem with the record company, or, perhaps, they lied when they said they had 3 albums worth of songs.

I partially agree with you. I don't think the record company has any interest in releasing more New GNR records. It makes more business sense for them to hold out in the hopes that Axl will reunite with the real band. The potential pay off for the record company is simply too great to risk letting Axl finish GNR's contract with New GNR albums.

You ever read about new coke or Pepsi clear? They basically market those the next big thing until the public got pissed off so when they reintroduced Classic Coca Cola sales have never been better.

Same with GN'R. They hoped Chinese Democracy wil tank so bad Axl will be forced to reunite with Slash and Duff. Nevermind Izzy or Steven.

You can't beat the real thing.

You really can't...

I'm sure some kind of communication has taken place from December until now, whether it'd be person to person, or management, etc.

Again, I'm confident he got a solid no by some means before shutting it down completely.

Again, you're not sure of anything.

Why would he contradict himself in the same interview if he had contact with Axl?

You really believe that there hasn't even been manager to manager contact about a performance between December and now? By the way, gullible's written on the ceiling.

He said they haven't talked, doesn't mean their managers haven't.

Doesn't mean that they have either.

The only fact there is is that you're as clueless on the subject as I am on whether management has had any contact.

Slash saying that they haven't talked implies more that management hasn't been involved more than it implies that it has though.

And that to me implies that Axl and Slash themselves haven't talked face to face, or man to man about their game plans. Doesn't mean their managers weren't talking to each other in terms of a performance. Each to their own.

I'm confident that Slash wouldn't throw a solid no to a performance, unless a solid no was given to him. NOTHING in this article means, or indicates he's the one refusing to play. He's just the messenger in this scenario.

I'm sure some kind of communication has taken place from December until now, whether it'd be person to person, or management, etc.

Again, I'm confident he got a solid no by some means before shutting it down completely.

Again, you're not sure of anything.

Why would he contradict himself in the same interview if he had contact with Axl?

You really don't believe that there hasn't even been manager to manager contact about a performance between December and now? By the way, gullible's written on the ceiling.

He said they haven't talked, doesn't mean their managers haven't.

I think you're kind of missing the point. There is a difference between you think or would guess has happened, and what you KNOW for a fact has happened. None of us know ANYTHING for a fact. And without knowing anything for a fact as to whose decision it was, whether or not it was person's decision or multiple parties' choice, the blame is being automatically shifted to one party.

Ali

I get that I don't know anything for a fact.

But you don't need CSI to realize Axl's refusal is the reason this is not happening.

To know for sure you do need to know the facts. Facts are what create certainty. Speculation and intuition do not.

Ali

Yes Judge Judy, I know. And I never stated it was fact. Actually, I stated that it wasn't in my previous post. Damn_Smooth was the one stating it was Slash that's the one putting the performance to a kaput, when really all he was doing was informing us of the situation.

But I think we all know deep down that Axl was the stop light to this.

I'm sure some kind of communication has taken place from December until now, whether it'd be person to person, or management, etc.

Again, I'm confident he got a solid no by some means before shutting it down completely.

Again, you're not sure of anything.

Why would he contradict himself in the same interview if he had contact with Axl?

You really don't believe that there hasn't even been manager to manager contact about a performance between December and now? By the way, gullible's written on the ceiling.

He said they haven't talked, doesn't mean their managers haven't.

I think you're kind of missing the point. There is a difference between you think or would guess has happened, and what you KNOW for a fact has happened. None of us know ANYTHING for a fact. And without knowing anything for a fact as to whose decision it was, whether or not it was person's decision or multiple parties' choice, the blame is being automatically shifted to one party.

Ali

I get that I don't know anything for a fact.

But you don't need CSI to realize Axl's refusal is the reason this is not happening.