Axl Rose Husband

So would Axl fronting Slash's Snakepit or Velvet Revolver be considered "Guns n Roses"?

If Axl proclaimed that it was...would you accept that?

I'm afraid that's a hypothetical question that I will never need to answer because I'm pretty sure Axl rejected it.

That is why there are people still crying about it.

Don't you mean the band that didn't have the balls to move forward until they found a young superstar lead singer from the alternative rock era to join them because that was only way they could be consider cool and relevant?

Cool and relevant is something Axl could only dream of at this point I'm afraid.

The same band that got a grammy for the first album, but then nobody bought their second album? What happened?

Well at least they had one album that sold well but I guess that on the positive side nobody at Best Buy will ever be short of a coaster or an ashtray in this lifetime.

The same band that never headlined any festivals or sold out any stadiums?

Which is exactly the same situation Axl's band would find themselves in had they had to go it alone without the GnR name to sell tickets.

The band then imploded a midst creative differences and personal in-fighting that also included spats towards Axl?

Now where have we seen that before?

A band that is searching for a new lead singer that will help sell records for them but who will also not change anything Slash creates?

At least we know that Slash will create something at sometime in the next decade or so.

If Axl accepted Slash and Duff back into GnR, we would still be getting "Chinese Democracy" part II.

You're never going to get CDII irrespective of who is in the band! Not in this lifetime!

Nice story bro! Whatever makes you feel good about being a VR fan - I guess.

Izzy did actually want to work with Slash Duff and Matt but when Scott came along he took off because it was starting to remind him of Axl. Notice how it was the lead singer situation he wanted to avoid

Think about this: 2010 is the first time Slash and Izzy actually released a song together

Izzy is smart guy when it comes to the media. So is Slash and Duff. So don't be fooled by all the PR-like political correctness of everything they say.

There is absolutely no similarities between Izzy's music and Slash's music. ZERO.

If Slash had started GnR, he would never had hired Izzy. Just like how Izzy didn't want Slash either.

Them getting together was no different then Slash and Duff experimenting with a bunch other musicians.

It could have also been nothing more than just a ploy to get old GnR fans excited to diminish what current GnR was doing.

If Slash and Duff really wanted Izzy to join VR, they would have begged him to join.

If the original band reunited, they would be 100 times better than the line up now. I love the current line-up, but let's be honest here.

Being honest, as someone who saw the old band and has been a GN'R fan since 1988, the new lineup is as good, if not a better group of players all around than the old band.

And, if the old band reunited now, there's no telling what kind of chemistry, if any, they would have.

Ali

That chemistry never goes away. Go look at David Lee Roth and Eddie Van Halen

But the chemistry did go away for GnR.

That is why the pre-1993 GnR is gone.

It's pedantic to point out that 40% of the AFD lineup is missing in that performance (not to mention the two principal songwriters)? And, last I checked, GN'R doesn't play instrumentals, so the lead singer is kind of necessary.

Yeah, o.k. I guess when you need to make an argument work, 40% can be an insignificant number

Ali

Says the guy who claims that it's fine to call a line-up consisting of only 20% by the Guns n' Roses name?

So would Axl fronting Slash's Snakepit or Velvet Revolver be considered "Guns n Roses"? I mean that is like 90% UYI GnR right there.

Of course not!

Because it is about the music.

If Slash and Duff had not left GnR, we would still have gotten "Chinese Democracy" as it is.

If Axl accepted Slash and Duff back into GnR, we would still be getting "Chinese Democracy" part II.

Some folks seem to think that Axl is going to change what he wants the music for GnR to be, if suddenly Slash and Duff returned.

"Guns n Roses" is Axl Rose's solo project. If you don't want to make the music he wants to sing to, then he will not sing to your music.

What happened to Velvet Revolver again?

You mean the band that had the balls to make a name for themselves without relying on the name of their old band and in doing so won a grammy and outsold Chinese Democracy by 4:1 in the US? You mean that Velvet Revolver?

Don't you mean the band that didn't have the balls to move forward until they found a young superstar lead singer from the alternative rock era to join them because that was only way they could be consider cool and relevant and sell records?

The same band that got a grammy for the first album, but then nobody bought their second album? What happened?

The same band that never headlined any festivals or sold out any stadiums?

The band then imploded a midst creative differences and personal in-fighting that also included spats towards Axl?

A band that is searching for a new lead singer that will help sell records for them but who will also not change anything Slash creates?

Yeah, that's the Velvet Revolver we all know!

Okay Lana, i'll do just that.

This:

+ this:

+this:

= perfection!

How many times do we to say this! Keep your points grounded on reality!

They don't look like that anymore. Even if they did, because you are a guy ... you should captioned it as NO HOM...

And how many times do we have to say this: it is not 1987 anymore!

Keep your arguments about the PRESENT.

And, if the old band reunited now, there's no telling what kind of chemistry, if any, they would have.

Ali

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp6vny8wngg

You mean like this? ^^^

Miles N' Revolvers FTL.

What happened to Velvet Revolver again?

HA! Look at these GnR-haters look for any excuse!

So there are better performances of "Sorry" out there? Well, then you just proved to yourself that even on GnR's worst days, they kick more ass than anything else your precious Slash or Duff can do.

If Axl was fronting Velvet Revolver, you all would be orgasming about how great his singing is! LOL

THIS is Guns N Roses. Raw, grimy, primal:

That WAS Guns n Roses.

But it's not 1987 anymore.

I know and it's such a shame. They used to actually be good.

By 1987 culture, yes.

By 2012 culture, no.

THIS is Guns N Roses. Raw, grimy, primal:

That WAS Guns n Roses.

But it's not 1987 anymore.

Nothing any of the pre-1993 members has done comes even remotely close to this:

See the rest of the playlist:

It has nothing to do with who has rights to the name. It has nothing to with who is in the band.

It is about the music!

Is is the music that determines whether it can be labelled as "Guns n' Roses".

Some seem to think that if the pre-1993 GnR got back together that some how they would be able to give us music that can even come remotely close to what we have with the Chinese Democracy era.

Not a chance! That is why they all quit on GnR in the first place. The pre-1993 band couldn't make music anymore that is worthy of being called "Guns n Roses".

And when you listen to everybody's discography, only Axl Rose has been able to deliver us music that is worthy of the name "Guns n' Roses". The music and live performances we are getting right now is definitely worthy of being called "Guns n Roses".

Axl has proven that he has every right to call the music "Guns N Roses".

When Axl Rose can no longer give us what we see in these videos, that is when "Guns n' Roses" should end. And his time is far from over.

HA! Look at how GnR-haters wiggle and squirm out of their own hypocrisy!

Everybody's lying. That's exactly why former members, management, other bands such as metallica and nirvana, and other people all had similar stories about him. Right.

Well, don't keep us in suspense.

Please do tell us what these other people said that you believe is true that proves Axl is the "bad guy" for not wanting to front Slash's Snakepit.

RE: http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=186407

If "Slash" would go by his real name "Saul Hudson" instead ... as well as cut his hair and lose the top ...

then maybe he can finally release music without people comparing and judging him to GnR past and present?

Imagine the pressure that would be lifted off his shoulders without having to live in the shadows of the present and past glory of GnR!

Maybe it would free him from having to make the same songs over and over again. Maybe he would be willing to experiment and innovate more too!

But I guess I understand why he still keeps his GnR look. Because that is the only way he can make a decent living! $$$

Who else feels the same way?

Chinese is one of my 10 favorite albums of all time. And I think if we had 3 more albums just like it right now, the majority of the rock world wouldn't still be harping on the breakup of the old band or the fact that Axl kept the name. Music is the one and only thing that will shut up the critics.

Who are these *majority* in the *rock world* that are *harping* at Axl?

Nobody cares that Slash and Duff are not in the band anymore. Really. Nobody cares!

Pre-1993 GnR became yesterdays old news ... like in 1992!!!

Nobody cares about pre-1993 GnR because its 2012!

All people care about is what is happening RIGHT NOW!

If this is the pace that it takes GnR to make great music ... then so be it. There is nothing you can do about it!

Nobody cares about the quantity of songs. You will be remembered for making great music.

I don't know but ... is Axl constantly doing a woe-is-me and everybody is at fault except me thing?

Not at all. It's just that nothing has ever been his fault and everyone he's ever met eventually winds up conspiring against him. *tear*

Are you talking about those managers who wanted to cash in on a reunion tour?

Because no band members present and past of the Chinese Democracy era has ever made any negative or derogatory comments about Axl. They have given nothing but praises and thanks to Axl.

People forgot when axl got his mate To Record over slashes stuff on sympathy for the devil.. Ultimate disrespect..

Even the axlholics can't say that wasn't a dog move..

Ummm... but ... except ....

Axl only got one of his best friends to do the rhythm parts only - just like how it was with Izzy in the old days.

It was done to maintain *balance*.

Slash was never a fan of Izzy's guitar playing. He said that himself! Hence, the comment made by Axl where he said that Slash didn't even like AFD except for his own parts.

Listen to Slash's solo (or VR) records. When you have Slash do both the rhythm and lead guitar parts, it does not sound like GnR. It sounds like Snakepit!

Look at UYI too. Slash re-recorded all Izzy's parts. That is why UYI sounds more like Snakepit than it does AFD.

Axl knows the GnR sound because he's the one that mastermind it. Axl's the one that brought Slash into the band - against Izzy's wish.

Slash has always wanted to be the main song writer in GnR - just like how he is for Snakepit and VR. Slash has always been trying to get Axl to join his band. With Izzy gone, Slash got his wish.

That is why Axl got one of his childhood best friend to do the rhythm parts on Sympathy for the Devil: to ensure the sound is GnR and not Snakepit, and to keep Slash's power grab in check.

So no. It was not a "dog move" by Axl. Axl was doing what was best for GnR's music.

I'm pretty sure most gn'r fans know about this. Elton John asked him to give the induction speech. Nothing new here.

And just like that, the Axl haters go searching for something new to attack him and GnR with.

Axl never called the HOF a sham either. He explained clearly why he did not attend.

What is worse?

Axl with the constant woe-is-me and everybody is at fault except me thing.......or the people in this forum who label anybody a hater or reunionist if they don't praise everything thay Axl does?

The reason this topic is funny is because a large group of posters keep saying that the HOF is a joke and that Axl showed integrity by not showing up.

So does that mean he didn't have integrity and he wasn't a rock n roll badass back when he DID show up and participate???

I don't know but ... is Axl constantly doing a woe-is-me and everybody is at fault except me thing? Or does Axl just do his thing with his band, and responds when necessary to people who go over the line with their accusations against him?

You are a Axl hater if you blame Axl for everything without acknowledging the faults of the others involved.

You are s reunionist if you keep wishing for 1987 even though it is 2012. It is not going to happen!

Axl inducted Elton John to the HOF was over 20 years ago. So that's a long time ago. Perhaps at the time, the HOF had more integrity. Maybe people still had high hopes for the HOF. But it's 2012. And maybe today, people's view of the HOF has changed.

That is why trying to attack Axl with this is not funny but IRRELEVANT.

Axl did not want to front Snakepit, Loaded, or Velvet Revolver.

He wasn't even asked to front those bands. How could he not want to in the first place?

This is often the second of two available responses to people who feel the need to blindly defend Axl.

So it was Axl's decision that he didn't want to front Snakepit styled music, but it's Slash, Duff and Izzy's fault for walking away.

Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

Here's a third option: Izzy, Duff and Slash got tired of dealing with Axl's bullshit and left to work on music that appealed to them.

Axl can't cry abandonment by his former band members all the while putting down the music they'd write for the band.

Axl seems to want to argue that he didn't force anyone out besides Adler and Sorum, that everyone left. But then he argues that he wasn't interested in their music anyway. So if he wasn't interested in what Slash was putting down, why is he so pissed at Slash for leaving and letting Axl work on the music he wanted to.

None of this makes any sense.

Firstly, trying to group Izzy's situation in with Slash and Duff is totally inaccurate. Heck, it's just plain LYING.

Secondly, it was Slash and Duff's idea to replace Adler with Sorum. Axl didn't force Adler out. Adler's drumming became a problem and it was Slash and Duff who found a solution for it. Axl just agreed to it. That is why Axl helped pay for a lot of Adler's rehab bills. Adler called Axl a "sweet heart" for taking care of him and hated Slash because he thought Slash was suppose to be his best friend.

Thirdly, Axl hasn't cried *abandonment by his former band members*. He has only defended himself after years of accusations by mostly Slash that Axl fired them all. Which is just untrue.

Fourthly, Axl is not pissed at Slash for leaving. Axl is pissed at Slash for his *revisionist* account of GnR history and for perpetuating lies that painted Axl as the "bad guy" who victimized him and every one else.

Lastly, as Axl stated, from Day 1, Slash has been trying to get Axl to join his band. With Izzy gone, Slash got his wish.

But with Izzy gone, Axl needed a new song writing partner. Axl was looking for a replacement for Izzy.That is why Axl tried many different guitarists to work with Slash.

But that's not what Slash wanted! Slash wanted to be that song writer like how he is on Snakepit and VR. Slash was unwilling to work with a new song writer in the same kind of way like how it was with Izzy for AFD, Lies, and UYI.

Axl was the one who invited Slash to replace Tracii Guns - even though Izzy did not want Slash! But by the end of UYI, the power in GnR had completely shifted in Slash's favor! It was now 4 against 1! Team Slash (Slash, Duff, Matt, Gilby) vs Team Axl (Axl only). That is why Axl called Slash a "cancer".

I'm pretty sure most gn'r fans know about this. Elton John asked him to give the induction speech. Nothing new here.

And just like that, the Axl haters go searching for something new to attack him and GnR with.

Axl never called the HOF a sham either. He explained clearly why he did not attend.

“Our songs are basically Axl. Like 80% is Axl, 15% Izzy, and 5% me and Duff just adding words here and there.”

According to Slash's GnR-ometer: only 5% GnR was at the HOF!

It's not the Poetry Hall of Fame. That quote is in regards to lyrics. That quote is not speaking about the actual music.

HA! Look at how they try to wiggle and squirm out of this one!

I'm pretty sure when "Stevie" woke up today, Slash, Duff, Sorum, Gliby, and Miles were long gone.

I even bet once the cameras were off, everybody avoided "Stevie" like the plague.

In terms of drug problems, "Stevie" was no different than Slash and Duff.

So it wasn't just Stevie's drug problems that forced Slash and Duff from wanting to replace him with Matt Sorum.

So just likea reunion will never happen, Slash and Duff will never replace Sorum with "Stevie", nor will Slash want to replace Dave Kushner with Izzy. If you know anything about the Slash-Izzy music relationship, you know that they don't really enjoy each others style of music playing.

So no, Velvet Revolver is only searching for new singer.

“Our songs are basically Axl. Like 80% is Axl, 15% Izzy, and 5% me and Duff just adding words here and there.”

According to Slash's GnR-ometer: only 5% GnR was at the HOF!