Schnippy

Who would actually pay that much money to meet those guys? Nothing against them, but it's not like they've written the music that we pay to see.

So if they wrote any of the music you would pay to meet them? I mean, you're already paying to see them. They're awesome musicians. But I wouldn't pay to meet them, just like I wouldn't pay to meet Axl, Slash or anyone else.

>I think it's more awkward for a fan who paid to meet "Guns N Roses" and then meet BBF (lol), DJ Ashba (hahaha) and Frank Ferrer (fking ROFL).

You pay to meet Guns N Roses today, you meet Guns N Roses today. Logical? If a fan is surprised by meeting BBF, Ashba or Frank (who are members of Guns N Roses), I wouldn't exactly call them a fan.

I wonder what you'd talk to them about? Wow BBF those few solos you did on CD changed my life... Frank, that one song you've played on was better than anything that old gnr ever did. Oh DJ you haven't even been on an album but I'm sure if you were, it would be better than anything the old guys did. I'm a massive fan of all you touring musicians. You've change the world covering those songs!

Sounds fair to charge people to meet these guys.

How awkward do you think it is for Ron, Tommy and them, knowing that after every show, they're going to have to deal with angry fans who paid 250 dollars thinking they were going to meet Axl Rose, but instead they get these guys? I imagine it's the worst part of the job.

I think it's more awkward for a fan who paid to meet "Guns N Roses" and then meet BBF (lol), DJ Ashba (hahaha) and Frank Ferrer (fking ROFL).

Schnippy you sure are a drama queen. As i've been saying, these threads always appear predicting doom and gloom for the tour. All that pomp and circumstance over a 2-for-1 special though? You're really reaching. Hey do you remember when people were saying the Vegas gigs would not sell? Whatever happened with that?

History repeats itself.

LIke I said, let me know when a show is cancelled or the tour is cancelled. Then you can run your mouth all you want. Oh and... maybe you didn't notice... but Guns isn't the only band playing the event. *lightbulb moment*

As for the Axl late thing. It's a joke. it was a joke that was made on Kimmel. Everyone goofs on Axl being late. Way to be "offended" though. Braaaavo.

Saber,

Tickets are not selling on the Australian tour. That is not doom and gloom, trolling, exaggerating or anything else. That is a stone cold fact. Why do you think they are doing a 2 for 1 deal? because ticket sales are strong and its selling great?

I think denial has reached new heights with you saying that comment was simply a joke. Last time NuGNR were here there were mass walkouts and massive complaints about how late Axl was. Why are you saying I'm offended? I'm laughing at the fact that the promoter has addressed this issue in this ad and in his facebook group reassuring people numerous times that Axl will be on time this tour. This is not a joke you idiot, the promoter is desperate to start selling some tickets!

Where on the internet can I find that promotion? It seems like it is something for people who signed up for a mailing list or something.

http://premier.ticketek.com.au/shows/show.aspx?sh=ESSD0000013AM&utm_source=GUNSKISS&utm_medium=FriendlyLink&utm_campaign=ESSD0000013AM

I guess any idiot can make some bullshit up, post no source, and top it off with a Conspirators video, and some of the lesser-brained individuals around here will just eat that shit up.

Every time Guns goes on tour, there's one of these threads. It's too funny and predictable. And out of the woodwork, all the angry anti-Axl obsessive start jumping up and down for joy like special olympian winners. There's always predictions of failed tours and the anti-Axl crowd whip out their e-peens, circle jerking eachother (then going to gnfnr and bragging about it). If the tour is cancelled, then you can talk. Until then, lol.

Now, about that source...

You were saying? ...

AXL IS DOING 2 FOR 1 DEALS ROFL :rofl-lol: :rofl-lol:

Let me guess Saber. I photoshopped it? I hacked into the ticket merchants site and added this fake link?

Hearts are breakin' tonight.

Time to break the poor Axl fans hearts........

LINK 1: 2 for 1 deal -- http://premier.ticketek.com.au/shows/show.aspx?sh=ESSD0000013AM&utm_source=GUNSKISS&utm_medium=FriendlyLink&utm_campaign=ESSD0000013AM

LINK 2: GNR downgrade from 30,000+ stadium to 6,000 seat venue (a venue clash with a football team is cited for the reason) :rofl-lol: The usual suspects will of course believe this. http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1304388/knights-beat-guns-n-roses-to-stadium/

To top it off, this is part of an email I got from the promoter McManus Entertainment...

How pathetic, they wrote on there "management says this time Axl will be on time" LOL They actually have to put that in the advert! :rofl-lol:

If Slash's shows were being turned into '2 for 1' deals, and being downgraded in capacity, we would never hear the end of it: ''Slash plays half empty clubs blah blah blah''. Yet Rose bombs in Oz and it is considered a 'successful tour'. Rose fans are freaks

Yep, it would be hilarious if it wasn't scary. All this talk how Slash plays to nothing but 2000 seat places and in Sydney Slash sold out a 14,000 seat arena and "GNR" is downgrading to 6000 seaters.

"Be here at the end of the tour! Axl will slam his mic down and say good fuck**g night.......this = successful tour.

if they didn't do a newacastle show, they could of sold a good number of tickets to ANZ stadium (as per 2010, which sold extremely well), and playing here twice in less than 3 years isn't optimal , not to mentioned the number of other bands and musicians coming here in the first quater doesn't help matters.

They can't even sell 20,000 tickets, how are they going to do 80,000 at ANZ Stadium? By cancelling a 6000 seat show in Newcastle? Is that comment serious?

In 2010, they ran the event in conjunction with the Clipsal 500 car race. The only reason there was a good turnout for the concert was because people were already at the race, so may as well check out a "GNR" concert.

The only way I could think that a show at ANZ stadium might work, is if it was the only show they were doing in Australia!

Dude. It happens.

Even IF Slash had never left and they had continued to put out albums all those years, in the year 2013 they would still be considered a dinosaur classic rock nostaliga act.

And they would be playing to 6000 seat arenas in Australia.

So why did Aerosmith just get booked at the Sydney Olympic stadium (ANZ Stadium) which holds 80,000 people? And U2 in 2010 at the same stadium? Shouldn't they be nostalgic acts playing 6000 seaters?

Schnippy, i want you here when the Australia tour is over. Throwing random shit doesn't make them true.

Huh?? Random shit? I'm giving you 100% irrefutable facts about this Australian tour.

Yes, I'll be here when the tour is over and I'll be face-palming reading the usual suspects clanking beers over the "highly successful" 2 for 1 tour.

if they didn't do a newacastle show, they could of sold a good number of tickets to ANZ stadium (as per 2010, which sold extremely well), and playing here twice in less than 3 years isn't optimal , not to mentioned the number of other bands and musicians coming here in the first quater doesn't help matters.

They can't even sell 20,000 tickets, how are they going to do 80,000 at ANZ Stadium? By cancelling a 6000 seat show in Newcastle? Is that comment serious?

In 2010, they ran the event in conjunction with the Clipsal 500 car race. The only reason there was a good turnout for the concert was because people were already at the race, so may as well check out a "GNR" concert.

The only way I could think that a show at ANZ stadium might work, is if it was the only show they were doing in Australia!

Dude. It happens.

Even IF Slash had never left and they had continued to put out albums all those years, in the year 2013 they would still be considered a dinosaur classic rock nostaliga act.

And they would be playing to 6000 seat arenas in Australia.

So why did Aerosmith just get booked at the Sydney Olympic stadium (ANZ Stadium) which holds 80,000 people? And U2 in 2010 at the same stadium? Shouldn't they be nostalgia acts playing 6000 seaters?

Same old shit again and again..

It's like Vegas, they were not interested. Yet they manage to have a very successful tour.

If tickets not selling, offering 2 for 1 deals in a key market and drastically downgrading the size of venues is going to be classed as a successful tour, then I'd like to know what would be classed as unsuccessful.

Playing a 6000 seat venue is just sad at this point. This band is bleeding out and the enablers just go with it, as if everything is fine.

Tickets for the bands Australian tour are not selling.

The promoter has had to do a two for one deal in Sydney, where you pay $150 and get entry to the GNR show and KISS' second show (first was sold out until restricted view seats were added recently). Both bands are having their shows at the same venue. It holds about 18,000 people, depending on the layout. There's just no interest in this show and tickets aren't moving.

The show at Newcastle which was originally to be held in a 30,000+ seat stadium, has now been moved to a venue which holds 6,000 people.

Quite sad seeing as 20 years ago GNR held one of the biggest concerts ever seen in Sydney with 80,000+ people there.

There's only been one city to show any interest which is Melbourne. They've had a second show added.

The reason this is worth bringing up as well is because some have mentioned that this incarnation of GNR are still relevant in Australia. I think this ends that argument.

People seem to be growing tired of this act, which is obviously at the end of it's line.

Maybe tickets aren't selling because this guy somewhat recently sold out arenas around Australia.

I didn't join Guns N Roses to only play guitar. I write songs everyday

Yes DJ we know you didn't join GNR to only play guitar. Infact, you said that you don't even consider yourself a guitarist.

We all know why you're in GNR. Its to sell Ashba Swag beanies and Ashba swag make up kits.

What I just don't get is, how do these guys even have "fans"? BBF has played a couple of solos on one record, Frank played on one song and Chris plays parts that are barely heard for most of the show...

Crazy world.

Kiss and Motley hasn't been a huge seller either.

They've practically sold out night #1 at Allphones arena, night 2 is selling pretty slow admittedly, but it is around a 18,000 seat arena. They sold out Brisbane entertainment centre and have now added extra restricted view seats. They added a second show in Melbourne. They have sold out all meet and greets in every city going for $1500 a pop.

Springsteen has sold out 2-3 shows in each city around the country.

You're right, people can't go to everything, but If people want to see a band like GNR, they will make it happen.

The tour is selling poorly, I think mainly from the terrible press guns have received the past few tours (late start times, people saying it was a sh*tty coverband, allegations of lip synching in Townsville or Mackay, wherever it was, resulting in mass walkout of fans).

At any rate I don't think it's right to try and make excuses and blame the time frame they are touring or saying that no one else is selling out but a festival at the moment. It's just simply not true.

I understand why Axl doesn't want to reunite the old band, but I can't figure out why he won't move ahead with the rest of the Chinese Democracy material.

This.

To bring it back to the original comment this thread is about.... this is partly why new GNR cannot be taken serious and classed as a real version of GNR. Axl has never put in an effort to establish new GNR as a force to be reckoned with. Every marquee performance they have done has not just been substandard, is has been outright embarrassing. New music? 1 album in 20 years. How about lineup changes? how many replacements have replaced the replacements? The band is in a complete shambles as well. BBF speaking out, how many times now? clearly unhappy in the band..the list goes on.

This band has not been able to grow and establish itself because of Axl's complacency and complete stubborn nature. This band could have been anything. Axl had the pick of any world class musician he wanted. What did he do? hide in his mansion for most of the past 2 decades. Then, when he had great musicians leave out of frustration gets in guys like Frank Ferrer, BBF and Ashba.........

That is why this is not the real GNR, not because Slash isn't in it.

So if you're not a fan of the current lineup, how come you persist in coming to the post-2001 section? Most of your posts about the current band are negative. Why don't you have more posts in the classic GnR sections if you're more of a fan of those lineups?

Luckily, I'm 99% sure that Axl will reject any songs that Bumble comes up with anyway.

This is the only saving grace from the unfortunate fact that BBF and DJ are in the band. Axl will can any sh*t they turn in.

Hopefully we hear the rest of the Finck, bucket era stuff. BBF can remain the guy that is there to play the stuff that no other guitarist would even want to contemplate doing and DJ can remain there.......well we all know why. Top hat/Les Paul anyone?

Not in this lifetime.

I think we should adopt this as our official response to everything Dicey, Rusty, Maggie and Izzy(doesit) say?

I'd rather GNR not go down in history as a joke.

Axl Rose sounding like Mickey Mouse, with Slash on stage, still sounds like Mickey Mouse.

It's not even entirely about Mickey Mouse. It's become a clown show with the lead guitarist trying to act like the evil man that will remain nameless. Mickey Mouse is the icing on the cake.

Forget explaining to people that you can be a GNR fan without being a fan of the current lineup. To a lot of em, Axl IS gnr.

Not in this lifetime.

I think we should adopt this as our official response to everything Dicey, Rusty, Maggie and Izzy(doesit) say?

You don't know what you're talking about. I get it. But I'll respond anyway.

I don't think there will be a reunion. Would it be pretty cool if it happened? Sure. But it probably won't. That being said, your whole "not in this lifetime"-of-course-we-parrot-Axl schtick is a bit sad. I'm sure Axl meant it when he said it. I'm sure he means it now. But to use it as a pseudo mantra is juvenile, because it is to say that circumstances between people cannot change, that past quarrels must continue ever, that once angry, stubborn comments are made, clinging to whatever pride one believes on has precludes any possibility of maturity or growth. I ain't down with that.

Don't forget to mention that Axl also made the claim, "never again" in regards to Izzy.

The fact is, the people who support new GNR are people who are obsessed with Axl. They can't see past him because he fronts the band. I have no doubt that if they were into the band when the old lineup were around, they didn't even care about any of the other members but Axl. He's upfront so it's all they see. Anyone else in the band is completely irrelevant and interchangeable...... Enter the Slash hatred and love for the new band (whoever is in it this month).

Not in this lifetime.

I think we should adopt this as our official response to everything Dicey, Rusty, Maggie and Izzy(doesit) say?

I'd rather GNR not go down in history as a joke.

Axl Rose sounding like Mickey Mouse, with Slash on stage, still sounds like Mickey Mouse.

I'm not biting Black Sabbath, I'd rather discuss it with someone who doesn't have a horse in the race.

If you don't have a "horse in the race," why are you even here? Honest question.

I appreciate the flipside: that perhaps you were a fan of the old lineup, hate the new band and want a place to discuss it and vent. Okay, but after two decades it's sort of been-there, done-that. And while you're still more than welcome to talk about it (in the reunion section and/or Attitude for more 'heated' stuff), can you understand why these sorts of topics and the responses they elicit might offend those who do still 'have a horse in this race'? Again, to clarify -- I'm not saying this is an inherently bad topic, but I don't really get where you're coming from, and just because someone is a moderator doesn't mean they are protecting the band or are going to be ignorant to your views. In fact, if you're just coming here to preach to the choir, what's the fun in that? As I said before, Black Sabbath is really not wearing any rose-tinted glasses or whatever the phrase is. Pretty sure he can handle the real talk.

The whole basis of his comment is New GNR, which is why I put it in this forum. There is no attitude in his comment, or in my initial post. It is a comment about new GNR, which is why I posted it in the D/N section.

That's fine, but these kinds of topics generally elicit 'passionate' responses from fans, so it's a matter of time til we have the all-out war of words between some of our more impassioned users. And then it becomes a question of moving the topic or removing the posts where people start flinging insults (stuff that used to be completely against the forum's rules, but we now tolerate to a degree) every direction. If it's the latter, it's supposedly censorship; the former, it's 'protecting the band.' It's kind of a damned-both-ways sort of scenario, so we just try to do the best we can. I assure you there's no censorship, agenda or bias from our side with any of this.

And again, I do believe any fans here saying they have no interest in the original lineup reforming are ultimately deluding themselves to some degree. But it's played-out.

What I mean by the horse in the race comment is, I am hesitant to talk to someone who even subconsciously hopes to become the next Jarmo, flying around the world with the band so will not even give their true opinion on the band.

I understand topics can get heated. That's where you guys come in. You can either warn people or make them magically disappear. It's up to you. As it stands, I'm not trying to be an outright idiot I just wanted people to see what someone who doesn't have any real connection with the band thought of the situation.

By the way, I like CD. I think it's a very good record. Good music is good music, it doesn't matter who writes it or plays it. There's some filler on there but some of the songs are quite good. Could new GNR do a tour where they played CD from start to finish? of course not.

Since when is this guys opinion the "general vibe" and the feelings of "the rest of the world"?

To be honest, I'm not even interested in wasting time even talking to a mod, who has to actively set out to protect this band.

I guess that would be the easy way out of a discussion, but OK. Didn't know Dana meant so much to you.

And on a side note: Moving/deleting posts in the D&N section isn't always about protecting the band. There are sections designed for more "raw" discussions (where a lot of the content is moved to), and other sections provided for older members and other incarnations of the band. Like it or not, the D&N section is mainly about New Gn'R, so I apologize if my supportive question has offended you.

I'm not biting Black Sabbath, I'd rather discuss it with someone who doesn't have a horse in the race. I thought the comment from Dana was a good opportunity to show people what a lot of people think. The vast majority of people, actually. Again, not including South America.

The whole basis of his comment is New GNR, which is why I put it in this forum. There is no attitude in his comment, or in my initial post. It is a comment about new GNR, which is why I posted it in the D/N section.

Cheers.

Since when is this guys opinion the "general vibe" and the feelings of "the rest of the world"?

Yeah, that's not how I feel. I really don't want a reunion because I don't think it'll work out and it's clear both Axl and Slash don't want it. I think it's time we move on from a reunion because it's probably never going to happen. But I would like if Axl and Slash were able to reconcile but I don't think a full scale reunion with he old line-up would work.

I agree with you. A reunion would absolutely not work out (and would not even happen). But, you cannot deny that this new band is going nowhere fast and generates zero interest*

*Except in South America

Since when is this guys opinion the "general vibe" and the feelings of "the rest of the world"?

To be honest, I'm not even interested in wasting time even talking to a mod, who has to actively set out to protect this band.

I think it's interesting and shows what the general vibe out there is. Even with people who are completely impartial to the whole old/new GNR wars.

If you are going to rely on your openers to draw for you, there is something wrong lol.

And let's face it, fans of The Angels and Angry (which are basically pub bands) aren't going to pay the prices that are being asked.......

$169 for gold seats. $150 for silver. Yeah.........Nah......

It would be stupid at this point to reunite. Too much bad blood, and like you said will never happen.