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Hail to one of the greatest producers in history of music, who knew what to do, when hearing shitty materiał.

Beginning of the end of the band who just 4 years prior released greatest album in music history...

2 hours ago, Amir said:

 

 

...I prefer the GNR cover of Sympathy for the Devil to the Rolling Stones original. I even love the "call"/"answer" thing between Tobias and Slash's guitar that infamously pissed off the latter.

I'd like to hear GnR version of SFTD, unfortunetly, it never happened... 

8 hours ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

Aerosmith released Pump and Get A Grip almost 20 years into their career and they are 2 of their best and most successfull albums. I wouldn't put it behind GNR to release something close to that in greatness, they're pretty much the same genre too. Depends on what direction Axl will steer the music and if it will be a mess, largely anyways IMO.

Wouldn't call Get A Grip great record. Pump-Yeah, but not in Toys In The Attic class...

24 minutes ago, jamillos said:

But we do have the marks, we just call them differently:

Mark 1: Pre-AfD aka the Tracii era 
Mark 2: AfD aka the treasure trove 
Mark 3: UYI 1 aka AfD sans Steven goes chorus (1991)
Mark 4: UYI 2 aka it’s not the real GN’R, part I. (1992+) 
Mark 5: 2000 intentions aka nobody knows what the fuck is going on (97–2001)
Mark 6: CD 1 aka this even has nothing to do with GN’R (02–08)
Mark 7: CD 2 aka no Tuesdays left / ChinDem tours 4ever (2009+)
Mark 8: The holy trinity aka it’s not the real GN’R, part II. 

Lol, must say I laughed at that...

Members-AFD5

Hired hands-other peasants.

This is clear to me.

Slash and who???

12 minutes ago, lame ass security said:

I survived one.😄

Yeah, but thanks to you, Axl went home...

8 hours ago, zigzagbigbag said:

If they got the nerves to release anything with more than one cover song at maximum, I am finally done with this band.

Anything but new own material is unacceptable after all these years. And new material does not mean to polish some thirty years old demo tracks.  

 

Well, Rolling Stones released cover album lately...

Besides, its not like album sales are main source of income for bands these days.

5 hours ago, Gibbo said:

He will be there till the end now.

This. Money for touring are too good now for hm to leave. Besides, he says it clear that he prefers to tour than to record, and he always has solo career to be "creative", if he want.

4 minutes ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said:

It sounds like you just don't like the music on UYI, if that's the case, just say so!

To claim it wasn't a massive success, you're being disingenuous. Most bands having an album that sold 7 million copies would be considered the highlight of their career. To have two such albums released on the same day is massive. 

Im not telling it wasn't massive success (it was, just like Spice Girls were massive)... Im just telling that:

a) it wasn't something that build their legacy (actually it could be argued that it damaged their legacy- I won't go that far) and

b) it wasn't as massive as AfD in commercial terms

Just now, moreblack said:

UYI is the biggest they ever were. Without it they're a one album wonder. With all the UYI hype they're RNRHOF.

They would be in Hall Of Fame anyway- see Sex Pistols...

19 minutes ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said:

UYI era GnR not legend? That is an asinine claim. 2 albums in the top 5, massively successful 2 year tour, 4 top 40 hits, the MOST viewed music video of the pre 2000 era! GTFOH!

"2 albums in top5" based strong pre-sale (wich was based on AfD legacy)

Massive succesful 2 year tour- yep, Im sure St. Louis and Montreal concert goers have a nice memories... Not mentioning leader turning band into travelling circus, and founder of the band was replaced by some peasant halfway...

And yeah- music videos made their legacy...

Took UYI out of their discography- they're Sex Pistols

Took AfD out of their discography- they're random pop band...

32 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

What evidence would that be? What possible evidence could you even have for such a statement?

I don't think it is correct. The UYI tour, especially the stint with Metallica and the legs in Europe and South America, turned GN'R into the hottest rock band of the time. The AFD touring lifted them from anonymity to one of the most exciting things happening, but it was when they stadium headlined across the world it really blew up.

But back to evidence. Thinking about the few metrics we have, like amount of press coverage, sizes of audiences, and the number of times the media referred to them as "the biggest rock band" (or similar), then GN'R hit their peak in the early 90s.

We don't have evidence for press coverage, as nobody counts it... Sizes of audiences is a poor evidence... While touring with AfD they were mostly a support band, in fact when AfD broke out big, they were in the middle of supporting tour... We don't know what audiences they would pull if they toured in 1989.

Evidence we have (and OP for some reason decides to ignore) are record sales and chart positions and they left no doubt wich era was more superior not only artisticlly, but commercially as well...

27 minutes ago, zigzagbigbag said:

 

But your statement that they had been bigger before UYI than afterwards, specially in between 91 and 93/94, is complete nonsense. Show me your evidence. 

And with respect to the „legend“ status: To be a legend has NOTHING to do with records sales but with the respect that a certain group of people (small or big) brings you after some period of time. In no way GNR were called legends by anyone during the AFD era. They were a massive (!) rock band. Nothing more and nothing less. No mass phenomenon, no legends. 

In fact, they were not to be considered as a legend before 2000 at the earliest, by no means while the AFD/UYI lieup was still active. What they turned legends for the mainstream was their omnipresence during the UYI era. The people on this forum are not representative. 

For 5434354 time. Go to Wikipedia. Check record sales. Check single charts. Here is your evidence. Better than testimony of your coworker, or whoever... AfD out sold both Illusions combined. Biggest single wasn't NR, it was SCOM.

Only commercial edge UYI'S have over AfD is bigger initial sales, but its only because of post AfD hype. Otherwise its clear wich album was more popular.

Its obvious they were not "a legend" during AfD era, because status of "a legend" comes with time. Nirvana wasn't a legend in 91-94 era, Led Zeppelin weren't legend yet during first half of 70s- but its music that they made that time made them the legend.

And no, reason why they are big name now is not UYI era... Its because they used to be legendary band, and their legend was built mostly on AfD.

13 minutes ago, zigzagbigbag said:

 

Nobody said this is not „massive“. Don’t use wrong words. 

 

Lol. Yeah right! And there is no climate change. Its all fake news. 

Ad 1. You said first UYI made them "legend", now "massive phenomenon", wich is implying they weren't massive before.

And while their legend status during AfD era, and fact that UYI's legacy is neglible at best is obvious to everyone, I also said that by all available evidence (it means-record sales, not opinion of your neighboor, work mate or whoever) they were massive before-in fact more than after- UYI.

Ad 2. Ummm... Take your pills???

16 hours ago, zigzagbigbag said:

Dude, but I was referring to NITL tour in my original post! Within this post I used the word „legend“ as a synonym for „mass phenomenon“  in the context of explaining the NITL tour‘s success. I don’t think it’s that difficult.

But legend and mass phenomenon are two different things... UYI Era GnR are not "legend" of any kind... Don't use wrong words to discribe things.

Although I must say, if having diamond album and #1 single is not massive, then I don't know what is... By all available evidence,, GnR were bigger band during AfD era (post AfD era actually, as it took a while for the album to break out) than during UYI era.

32 minutes ago, zigzagbigbag said:

16 minutes ago, zigzagbigbag said:

No offense, but you are some damn wrong if you truly believe that NITL tour is such an success because of AFD alone. Or in other words: You don’t think NITL tour would be that successful as it is even if there were no UYI albums?!

I cannot remember a tour like NITL GNR did in between 87 and 91, can you? 

Apart from this, it seems you didn’t read my post. I did not say that GNR didn’t reach legend status because of AFD alone. Maybe they  would be considered as legends from todays point of view even if AFD would have been their one and only album. Who knows. 

What I did say is, that UYI gave them the legend status they still do profit from to date. In other words: If there would have not been the mainstrem hype during 91-94 there wouldn’t be packed stadiums for nearly four years now

 

Im not talking about NITL tour at all... You used the word "legend", and that's what I was referring to... I wasn't talking about popularity (although sales levels of AfD and UYI seems to contradict your pov)... And there's no maybe in wheter they'd be a legends if they released only AFD... Its a fact. 

7 hours ago, zigzagbigbag said:

Furthermore the UYI albums and the UYI tour are the (only) reason why the band can still tour stadiums from 2016-2019 without having released one single note of new music. The average joe comes because he got into GNR via the UYI era. Of course AFD is a classic and the average joe got known Sweet child, PC and WTTJ after he got into GNR in 92 or 93, maybe already in 91. But its not that these three AFD songs had filled the biggest stadiums worldwide back then or they alone could fill stadiums these days. The people come to the NITL tour because of their 90s nostalgia caused by then omnipresent cartoon characters named Axl Rose and Slash and songs like KOHD, NR, Don’t Cry, LALD, YCBM (T2), maybe even Estranged or Yesterdays. Of course they are not coming for the Garden, Garden of Eden or Dead Horse. But they are also not coming because of Sweet child or PC alone. 

Hence, in my opinion the UYI era got GNR the legend status they still do profit from to this day. This is why they should give the UYI the anniversary party these albums deserve even more than AFD. 

LOL, AfD and AFD alone gave them legend status... Do you even know what "legend" means? Maybe UYI circus got them additional exposure to, as you say "avarage Joes", but their legacy is AFD and Lies...

On 26.07.2019 at 12:30 PM, Tadsy said:

Sorum, Gilby Slash... 

 

all that was needed was axl and duff and you had a very much enhanced version of the G’n’R we have right now 😂

Lol, NO... This "version" of GnR wouldn't be any more legit than current one...

Late, but happy birthday for my favourite lead guitarist anyway...

Along with 4 other guys you changed my life.

1 minute ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:

imagine how slash feels 

he's probably like fuck... 

Also wondered how he must feel when he needs to trade solos with... what was that guy's name again???

19 minutes ago, moreblack said:

And let's be honest, Izzy hasn't set the world on fire with anything he's written since AFD either.

Like anyone else from the band did that...

9 hours ago, UsedYourIllusion said:

Of all the things I've ever heard on this forum, this might be the craziest to me. But, that's your opinion. I'll respectfully disagree though. Especially given the great performances of the UYI songs during the '91-'93 tour. Heck, I even prefer Black Leather, Since I don't Have You, Patience, all of Live Like a Suicide, to Anything Goes and AfD You're Crazy

In this particular thread you had someone's claiming that CD>>>Lies, but my statement about kickass rocker being better than bloated ballads is crazy???

20 minutes ago, UsedYourIllusion said:

Wut.. Anything Goes and the AFD version of You're Crazy is not better than Dust N' Bones, Double Talkin' Jive, The Garden, Coma, Estranged, Civil War, You Could Be Mine, November Rain, Don't Cry, Don't Cry Alt... 

Yes. If i had to make top12 of Gnr songs, it would be all AfD... BTW- some of songs you mentioned are among the worst songs of GnR IMO (Novemer Rain and both versions of DC especially).

AfD was greatest album all the time...

Lies was great.

UYI was inconsistent and over the top... Hovewer, even heights of UYI don't reach AfD lows...

Whatever happened later was not Guns N Roses in my book. Even if they stayed together, they would not create another masterpiece. UYI was already a huge step down... Does it makes a Band overrated or underrated? I don't know...