SONOFABUTCHER

Why is New GNR music treated like it is Area 51 by Axl Rose? Can somebody get me a security clearance pass so I can finally listen to Atlas Shrugged and The General?

I'm going to assume that Guns N' Roses wants their music released the way they want it released.

Do you think he's holding out for multi-million dollar music videos with speedboats and supermodels?

No, but my guess is he would at least like any sort of proper promotion.

CD got more promotion than 99.9% of albums that are released.

Please provide a source for this statistic.

Was going to say, there's already a thread on this, but realized it's nowhere to be seen. FFS, are threads still getting moved constantly? Last time I checked DJ is a member of Guns n' Roses, and it's clearly news people might like to discuss.

The mods here don't have a clue, they've let this place go to the dogs, now they're getting worried that MSL's site is going out do them and CONTINUE to take all of their traffic. So they've implemented all of these new changes... won't work, too much damage done, the band hates this place. They've chased or banned all the great posters away too.

Does anyone else feel this way?

Like, I don't want to talk about it. I don't care. It doesn't impact my life in any way. If all the churches in the world suddenly disappeared, I wouldn't even notice.

I feel this forum has become a flame war about religion recently, and quite honestly the atheists are just as annoying as the spiritual.

Can't there be something more to life than arguing about this bullshit? C'mon people, seriously.

So you start a topic about something that you wish people wouldn't talk about............

I made a comment once in a topic you started and you told me something like "nobody asked you to comment. If you don't like my topics, don't read them."

Maybe you should follow your own advice.

Instead of constantly complaining about everything, why not stick to topics that you enjoy and ignore the ones you don't like? Pretty simple stuff.

Sure will, Pretentious Old Man.

Oh no..........the kid who complains about everything and how terrible is life is just insulted me and called me old!!!!!!

(You might want to look up the word pertentious though, so you know what it means).

Good luck kid!

You think you know all the answers, and you're think you're the shit. Then you go around flaunting yourself like you're better than everyone, but really you're just an asshole.

Wrong.

I don't know all the answers. I post my opinions - just like you do.

I don't think I'm the sh*t. I've worked hard to carve a nice life out for myself. I don't sit around and moan and cry about my life like you do. If I was as miserable as you are in life I'd do something about it. That's a big difference between you and me. I'd fix my life, whereas you seem happy to just sit around in a drunken and drug filled stupor crying about how bad the world is.

Flaunting myself like I'm better than everybody..........again, no. I've got a good job that I enjoy, a great wife and three wonderful kids, and am a happy person. In your eyes.......that's flaunting and thinking I'm better than everybody else? Uhh, OK. Would you like it better if I came on here and cried and moaned every day about how terrible life is? Life isn't about judging it against others, it's about how happy YOU are with YOURSELF. The fact that I'm happy with my life makes you very angry. That says everything about you, not about me. I don't think I'm better than random complete strangers on a rock n roll message board. Somebody would have to be pretty pathetic if that made a difference in their lives. I share my personal life stories with people, just like EVERYBODY else on the board does. Again, if that makes you angry, then you need to look deep inside yourself and figure out why it does.

I'm an asshole? What would you call yourself? A bitter, angry little kid who is constantly whining and crying about how bad is life is - that about sum it up? I'm glad you think I'm an asshole. What do I feel about you? I feel sorry for you, as you seem pretty miserable and unhappy in life. I hope someday you get off the booze and drugs and can find something/somebody that will make you happy in life. (Of course, me hoping that you find happiness someday will make you very angry for some reason).

You're both a pair of cunts if you ask me.

what a load of horse shit

There has to be material from the old band. They used to record their shows, rehearsals and behind the scenes extravaganzas. There is at least one album worth of material that Duff commented on that they had worked on. It wasnt 2000 intentions but one with the old line up mostly intact.

Legally speaking this GNR is not structured the same as the old GNR and id bet that there is some behind the scenes legal suites to block access to any and all of the old material. Axl cockblocked the old band from capitalizing on the idea that the old music could be utilized in movies..even went so far as to have the new band record the whole AFD material ..(and did so under the guise that they had to learn it in the first place)The real reason was to reduce actual revenue streams to the old group. Its complicated but the actual playing and using of the song increase in % depending on who is playing on the recording.

But take for instance the use of WTTJ in BlackHawk Down...that would have been a bonanza for old GNR to make some revenue off of but Axl flat out denied the use of it.

That legal manouver is so common in the US. A corporation can disperse and cease to exist legally and then turn around and restructure with the same name, same CEO,Same board and same players/employees etc BUT dump its stockholders and its pension plans and benifit policies.It can even change the terms of employment. It declares that it has gone out of business when in fact all it has done is shift laterly. It has dicked millions of people out of their retirement pensions and investment portfolios while consolidating its assets under another legal entity.Most of our car manufactures have done it, major electronic firms and manufacturing firms like Whirlpool. Its a shitty and unfair thing to do but it is legal.Insideof that manouver is also the protection of any of the old assets and business affairs from lawsuits. It absolves any wrongdoing of the Ceo and board from further legal threats to their assets etc...(for Axl that could have been a motivating factor given the myriad of legal issues he commented on in 08)

This is exactly what Axl did with GNR. He got the name, ended the old corporation and then turned around and made former memebers of that corporation ..hired employees and it changed thier ability to capitalize on OLD GNR ASSETS.

So many in this forum dont understand when they say "Slash quit the band" No Slash was reduced to a minor player and hired hand for AXLS new GNR entity.He and Duff and the rest of the crew were no longer able to make any decisions or choices in the direction , execution and image of GNR. Axl stated that way back in 95 when he said that Slash hadnt done business with GNR for something like 2 years.

When a band is signed they form a legal entity that defines who and what their business is about. Depending on the structure.. often its equal imput from the members. This was true of OLD GNR. TO make financial and business decisions required a vote. Just as in any and all corporations do. That was eliminated when Axl "quit" and legally disolved the old GNR legal entity and turned around and formed new GNR. That is what Paul Huge was doing on the record without consultation to the rest of the newly formed GNR entity but at that time the same band structure of old UYI era GNR. It was a shot across the bow of Slash and the rest of them that they would have NO SAY in the future business of GNR. That was Axls legal right. Thats what was behind him seeking out Fink before Slash departed. Absolute control over the GNR empire and its future enterprises.

Consider how controlled the present era is on band exposes like magazines features,photoshoots, cross over promotions, celebrity functions particularly when it is GNR related. Notice how squimish some of them get when asked about the future of GNR. Evasive to a large degree or vague about concrete plans. Im betting that none of them feel tremedously secure in thier positions. That isnt because the band doesnt want recognition or promotion individually as rockstars and music makers- that is Axls doing. The take home message is teh band...are employees and will remain in the background until further notice.

You have got so much wrong, it's hard to know where to start, guess I just wont bother, pal.

Perhaps...perhaps not and that is the question. It happens all the time in the US...it not only is possible it is probable and more so closer to the truth than what most feel comfortable in admitting. I would hope Im dead wrong in some respects because its is sleazy lawyering and it goes on all the time. Litigation of these matters take years and years to resolve. It so easy to think that Axl actually saved GNR and that he is as he said and I quote..Literly "the last man standing"

Inside the discussion that took place when the crew signed over the name probably was the reminder that GNR was headed into some major duty litigation that would and could effect GNR as it was and by doing this it could shift a majority of the responsibility onto the one entity that was primary in causing it. AXl. Its so easy to assume that Slash and Duff were wacked out of their mind and didnt see the end game Axls lawyers were devising for GNR.

why wont he shut up?

Real SOB > Fake SOB

I'm not impersonating SOB, he's my old friend, you should mind your own business.

who is warchild? I thought Warchild was a girl who came under different usernames and would come up with all of this fake news all the time and try to stalk Axl as well. That's what i heard

No andre! that was you who used to do that!

There has to be material from the old band. They used to record their shows, rehearsals and behind the scenes extravaganzas. There is at least one album worth of material that Duff commented on that they had worked on. It wasnt 2000 intentions but one with the old line up mostly intact.

Legally speaking this GNR is not structured the same as the old GNR and id bet that there is some behind the scenes legal suites to block access to any and all of the old material. Axl cockblocked the old band from capitalizing on the idea that the old music could be utilized in movies..even went so far as to have the new band record the whole AFD material ..(and did so under the guise that they had to learn it in the first place)The real reason was to reduce actual revenue streams to the old group. Its complicated but the actual playing and using of the song increase in % depending on who is playing on the recording.

But take for instance the use of WTTJ in BlackHawk Down...that would have been a bonanza for old GNR to make some revenue off of but Axl flat out denied the use of it.

That legal manouver is so common in the US. A corporation can disperse and cease to exist legally and then turn around and restructure with the same name, same CEO,Same board and same players/employees etc BUT dump its stockholders and its pension plans and benifit policies.It can even change the terms of employment. It declares that it has gone out of business when in fact all it has done is shift laterly. It has dicked millions of people out of their retirement pensions and investment portfolios while consolidating its assets under another legal entity.Most of our car manufactures have done it, major electronic firms and manufacturing firms like Whirlpool. Its a shitty and unfair thing to do but it is legal.Insideof that manouver is also the protection of any of the old assets and business affairs from lawsuits. It absolves any wrongdoing of the Ceo and board from further legal threats to their assets etc...(for Axl that could have been a motivating factor given the myriad of legal issues he commented on in 08)

This is exactly what Axl did with GNR. He got the name, ended the old corporation and then turned around and made former memebers of that corporation ..hired employees and it changed thier ability to capitalize on OLD GNR ASSETS.

So many in this forum dont understand when they say "Slash quit the band" No Slash was reduced to a minor player and hired hand for AXLS new GNR entity.He and Duff and the rest of the crew were no longer able to make any decisions or choices in the direction , execution and image of GNR. Axl stated that way back in 95 when he said that Slash hadnt done business with GNR for something like 2 years.

When a band is signed they form a legal entity that defines who and what their business is about. Depending on the structure.. often its equal imput from the members. This was true of OLD GNR. TO make financial and business decisions required a vote. Just as in any and all corporations do. That was eliminated when Axl "quit" and legally disolved the old GNR legal entity and turned around and formed new GNR. That is what Paul Huge was doing on the record without consultation to the rest of the newly formed GNR entity but at that time the same band structure of old UYI era GNR. It was a shot across the bow of Slash and the rest of them that they would have NO SAY in the future business of GNR. That was Axls legal right. Thats what was behind him seeking out Fink before Slash departed. Absolute control over the GNR empire and its future enterprises.

Consider how controlled the present era is on band exposes like magazines features,photoshoots, cross over promotions, celebrity functions particularly when it is GNR related. Notice how squimish some of them get when asked about the future of GNR. Evasive to a large degree or vague about concrete plans. Im betting that none of them feel tremedously secure in thier positions. That isnt because the band doesnt want recognition or promotion individually as rockstars and music makers- that is Axls doing. The take home message is teh band...are employees and will remain in the background until further notice.

You have got so much wrong, it's hard to know where to start, guess I just wont bother, pal.

Slash is a cancer, my vote is for Robin.

Prevent tarnishing his image and legacy? What planet have you been living on?

Well he did block rapidfire, and tried to block Hollywood rose, for that exact reason.

You don't know what his reasons were, pal.

This is way better than anything Slash has done post 96.

Not great, but remixes usually suck. Better is a great song, Better Gone sucks.

"We are playing song we are thinking of NOT putting on the album" Leeds 06. When I heard that I went OH yeah these are just general interest songs that are there to fill up the time. Then CD dropped and all of them were on it. Something fishy about all of this certainly.

Guns N Roses didn't play Leeds in 06, old pal.