IndyRose

an independent individual who pursues a vision to an end

What vision?

I don't have the patience to figure out how to quote someone, I already fucked it up once so I'm just going to speak to those who still, after everything, likes to blame every GNR problem on Axl.

One more quote for the Axl haters/blamer's...

Talking about Scott (Velvet Revolver) "Then Scott released his own rebuttal. He attacked Axl on every level. And my instinctual reaction wasn't 'you're right,' it was 'You can't talk shit about Axl!' I can talk shit about Axl, I can talk shit about Axl all day if I want to-that's because I've had to deal with him for years. But neither Scott, NOR ANYONE ELSE has that right."

Also Slash from "Slash". I added the all caps thing in order to emphasize...YOU weren't there, YOU have no right to form an opinion, YOU talk a bunch of shit, using as many big words as your thesaurus can generate, adding to the lies and bullshit that has done NOTHING but help create more lies and more bullshit, which does NOTHING but add just one more fucking exclamation point to "The original GNR will never play together again!!!!!" For me, and fans like me...it's the saddest true statement that has ever been uttered.

I doubt many will read all of this, I know it's too long, but for those of you who love GNR, in every way...old and new, who love Axl and everything that makes him who he is, as well as every other member, thank you. Thanks for supporting them no matter what. You are my favorite people in the world. This band is who I am, and I'm proud as hell of that fact. If you don't like who I am, don't like what I have to say...I see you standing there, you think you're so cool, why don't you just...Fuck Off!

And who the hell are you to put all fans here in one place and decide that we are all talking out of our ass? HUH?

You do the same thing you are complaining about. You dont know ANY person here. So unless you know all of us, in person and from a long time ago, you shouldn't come telling us to shut up if you can't do the same from your sidewalk.

You know jack shit too. YOU WEREN'T THERE EITHER. Unless you are some undercover member of the band, unless you are Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy using a nickname to post here, you have no right to come tell us these things.

Show your ID or fuck off!

I haven't put all the fans in here in one place, I haven't decided that you are all talking out your asses. I don't do the same thing I am complaining about. The only thing you're right about it that I don't know any person here. I was talking to one person. That's why I said I intended to quote someone, but didn't have the patience to figure it out on my handheld. I was talking to the member who lumped it all together, everything that took place between the original members, and pointed it all at Axl. I wasn't there, that's why I don't have an opinion as to why it went down the way it did, because I don't know what happened, just like everyone else here. I used Slash's own words to prove that he can look back and see how each of them played their roll in the decline of the group's collaboration and friendship. Slash also said that Axl's version of events are just as real and relevant as his own. Simply put, it pisses me off that anyone (here or anywhere) thinks they have the right to place blame on someone concerning a situation they weren't involved in, especially when the media is involved. I truly am surprised by the animosity SOME fans feel they have the right to have towards Axl, and wonder what it's like to be a fan of a band who has a singer/songwriter you hate, or dislike enough to bitch and complain about. You...need to pop a xanax and try not assuming the worst in people. I wasn't talking to the group as a whole, in case you didn't read that part either. Every forum has members who the rest are too afraid to tell the truth to, for all I know, you run this shit. Thing is...I don't care. I'm a fan, I'm here because I need more, more GNR, in whatever way I can get it. I wanted to talk about the greatness that is GNR, which whether some like it or not, means the greatness that is Axl muther fucking Rose! Yeah, maybe you can like the music and not like the man, but why bother commenting on the aspects of the band you don't like? This is a fan forum, correct? Oh, and, fuck you too:))

Who has time to write an essay like that on a gnr forum?

Me. I can spend the next hour telling you why I have the time, but instead I'll just say...GNR is what I do most of the time, and I couldn't care less what that means to you.

if it's gnr 24/7 for you how come you just recently found this place?

you have a comment on the topic? you think axl just said fuck it one day he's dissolving gnr? or was it a spiteful employee?

I recently came to a place in my life where I can spend my time doing what I want. If you're implying that I'm not a real GNR fan because I'm new here, it's just too stupid to respond to. Do you want me to post a daily log reporting on exactly how I spend my GNR time? There are other ways to be a fan without being a part of forums, many other ways. My rant was in response to someone saying Axl made Slash quit. As far as the topic...I think it's clear I don't pay attention to rumors. If he doesn't say it, it doesn't mean shit to me.

Who has time to write an essay like that on a gnr forum?

Me. I can spend the next hour telling you why I have the time, but instead I'll just say...GNR is what I do most of the time, and I couldn't care less what that means to you.

Nice! He's def taught me a few things...

I don't have the patience to figure out how to quote someone, I already fucked it up once so I'm just going to speak to those who still, after everything, likes to blame every GNR problem on Axl.

"None of us stood back and took a moment to ask one another or ourselves, 'How do we do this? How can we get everyone together and working and satisfied?' We needed to be clearheaded about it; if one thing didn't work, we'd need to keep trying. But we didn't do that. Outside of the fact that our management didn't care to take the lead, the biggest catalyst to the demise of the band was the lack of communication among the members.

Admittedly, I was pigheaded; I didn't want to always feel like I was bending over backward. I thought of us as equals, and I was making a conscientious effort to get things going, but I didn't have the wherewithal to understand what Axl was expecting, or the patience to sit down and talk it out with him."

"If you rundown the history of the demise of great rock bands, more often than not you'll discover that many of them dumped their original manager on their way to grasping the brass ring, and once they did it, it all got fucked up. I'm kind of pissed off that we followed that tradition. As self-destructive as we may or may not have been, and despite the communication barriers between the members, we had the desire to play music and move forward at all costs. That an outside influence completely disrupted the band really is a shame."

"If I knew then what I know now, had I been more experienced and more self-protective and more suspicious of the players involved-and I'm not even talking about Axl so much as the people he hired to guide him through this-it might have been handled differently. He hired people who had nothing but money making off him in mind. If it had been otherwise, or if he and I had been able to discuss it face-to-face, there might have been a greater degree of preservation in regard to our mutual interests as a band. But I don't believe in 'if's'"

All quotes from Slash's book "Slash" There's an ass-load more instances in the book, and so many other sources, actual words from the actual members, all saying basically the same thing. Axl wasn't always easy, but he was brilliant and integral to the success of GNR, without him they wouldn't have had the same success, they wouldn't have written the music we all love, they wouldn't have been GNR, they wouldn't have been, period. He didn't think, behave, or react to the world the way most do, he had then, and maybe still does, a different way of seeing things. Which, in my personal opinion, is my favorite thing about him. Slash doesn't blame Axl for the break-up...so why do you? Why do you think you know more about it then they do? Why do you think you know these guys, or why they did what they did, or do what they do? THAT's why I CAN, and DO, point my finger at you and ask how you know what you say you know, or why you speak as though you know them? How can anyone, anywhere, use what we hear and see in the media as factual information? If I don't hear it from their mouths, it has the potential to be misconstrued, manipulated, misinterpreted, simply...not true.

One more quote for the Axl haters/blamer's...

Talking about Scott (Velvet Revolver) "Then Scott released his own rebuttal. He attacked Axl on every level. And my instinctual reaction wasn't 'you're right,' it was 'You can't talk shit about Axl!' I can talk shit about Axl, I can talk shit about Axl all day if I want to-that's because I've had to deal with him for years. But neither Scott, NOR ANYONE ELSE has that right."

Also Slash from "Slash". I added the all caps thing in order to emphasize...YOU weren't there, YOU have no right to form an opinion, YOU talk a bunch of shit, using as many big words as your thesaurus can generate, adding to the lies and bullshit that has done NOTHING but help create more lies and more bullshit, which does NOTHING but add just one more fucking exclamation point to "The original GNR will never play together again!!!!!" For me, and fans like me...it's the saddest true statement that has ever been uttered.

I doubt many will read all of this, I know it's too long, but for those of you who love GNR, in every way...old and new, who love Axl and everything that makes him who he is, as well as every other member, thank you. Thanks for supporting them no matter what. You are my favorite people in the world. This band is who I am, and I'm proud as hell of that fact. If you don't like who I am, don't like what I have to say...I see you standing there, you think you're so cool, why don't you just...Fuck Off!

Cheesus kryst. (0:28:)

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I don't have the patience to figure out how to quote someone, I already fucked it up once so I'm just going to speak to those who still, after everything, likes to blame every GNR problem on Axl.

"None of us stood back and took a moment to ask one another or ourselves, 'How do we do this? How can we get everyone together and working and satisfied?' We needed to be clearheaded about it; if one thing didn't work, we'd need to keep trying. But we didn't do that. Outside of the fact that our management didn't care to take the lead, the biggest catalyst to the demise of the band was the lack of communication among the members.

Admittedly, I was pigheaded; I didn't want to always feel like I was bending over backward. I thought of us as equals, and I was making a conscientious effort to get things going, but I didn't have the wherewithal to understand what Axl was expecting, or the patience to sit down and talk it out with him."

"If you rundown the history of the demise of great rock bands, more often than not you'll discover that many of them dumped their original manager on their way to grasping the brass ring, and once they did it, it all got fucked up. I'm kind of pissed off that we followed that tradition. As self-destructive as we may or may not have been, and despite the communication barriers between the members, we had the desire to play music and move forward at all costs. That an outside influence completely disrupted the band really is a shame."

"If I knew then what I know now, had I been more experienced and more self-protective and more suspicious of the players involved-and I'm not even talking about Axl so much as the people he hired to guide him through this-it might have been handled differently. He hired people who had nothing but money making off him in mind. If it had been otherwise, or if he and I had been able to discuss it face-to-face, there might have been a greater degree of preservation in regard to our mutual interests as a band. But I don't believe in 'if's'"

All quotes from Slash's book "Slash" There's an ass-load more instances in the book, and so many other sources, actual words from the actual members, all saying basically the same thing. Axl wasn't always easy, but he was brilliant and integral to the success of GNR, without him they wouldn't have had the same success, they wouldn't have written the music we all love, they wouldn't have been GNR, they wouldn't have been, period. He didn't think, behave, or react to the world the way most do, he had then, and maybe still does, a different way of seeing things. Which, in my personal opinion, is my favorite thing about him. Slash doesn't blame Axl for the break-up...so why do you? Why do you think you know more about it then they do? Why do you think you know these guys, or why they did what they did, or do what they do? THAT's why I CAN, and DO, point my finger at you and ask how you know what you say you know, or why you speak as though you know them? How can anyone, anywhere, use what we hear and see in the media as factual information? If I don't hear it from their mouths, it has the potential to be misconstrued, manipulated, misinterpreted, simply...not true.

One more quote for the Axl haters/blamer's...

Talking about Scott (Velvet Revolver) "Then Scott released his own rebuttal. He attacked Axl on every level. And my instinctual reaction wasn't 'you're right,' it was 'You can't talk shit about Axl!' I can talk shit about Axl, I can talk shit about Axl all day if I want to-that's because I've had to deal with him for years. But neither Scott, NOR ANYONE ELSE has that right."

Also Slash from "Slash". I added the all caps thing in order to emphasize...YOU weren't there, YOU have no right to form an opinion, YOU talk a bunch of shit, using as many big words as your thesaurus can generate, adding to the lies and bullshit that has done NOTHING but help create more lies and more bullshit, which does NOTHING but add just one more fucking exclamation point to "The original GNR will never play together again!!!!!" For me, and fans like me...it's the saddest true statement that has ever been uttered.

I doubt many will read all of this, I know it's too long, but for those of you who love GNR, in every way...old and new, who love Axl and everything that makes him who he is, as well as every other member, thank you. Thanks for supporting them no matter what. You are my favorite people in the world. This band is who I am, and I'm proud as hell of that fact. If you don't like who I am, don't like what I have to say...I see you standing there, you think you're so cool, why don't you just...Fuck Off!

So many fans being Axl hater's...It's certainly not what I expected... Why the original GNR fell apart IS opened to debate. Slash himself admits to his roll in the breakdown of their friendship (Axl/Slash). As well as how each member fucked up in their own personal way...which in turn lead to Axl's isolation and his decision/obsession with owning the GNR name.

This isn't directed toward you Dando, but those who have bought into the general public's view/media hype surrounding the demise of the original line-up.

What's the point of the majority of people on here as more than half don't like Axl or GNR? Get real about a reunion too, never in a million years will that happen . Just can't see point of 'fans' coming on a forum n hating Axl or the band. Pointless

New to this forum, just really surprised how many GNR fan's there are out there (in here) who do to Axl what the general public and the media have done to him for the last 25-ish years. Not to mention the people in his life before GNR. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion...what we're not entitled to do is think we know everything about someone we've never met and use rumors to pass judgement.

Just surprised by all the Axl criticism and how it seems some fans have accepted the media's version of who they say he is. Or do you guys know him personally? Are you his friends? If so, my apologies, just ignore me...can you introduce us?

Causing drama out the gate wasn't the way I wanted to introduce myself...but, fuck it! I learned from the best.

Rocket Queen, any version, but I usually go for Live if I only have time for one song.

Shit! I'll take em. $100? I've paid way more on a lot less for GNR stuff. You aren't responding to the last comment...if you still wanna get rid of them, let me know. I'm new here so I don't know how shit works, if you can DM me or not, so just email me, it's listed in my bio thing.

Just lost a bidding war over an original Live Like a Suicide record to someone who lurked and outbid me at the last second...are you in here lurker? Are you laughing at me still? You broke my heart. I have a feeling you're going to resell it, since you got it so cheap... Just put it up already...you know I'll pay out the ass for it, let's get it over with...

If I can't have you right now I'll wait dear...

It's HERE!!

It's clearly, here...

You wanted this to be a funny thread...but all I saw was an opportunity to say...

HERE!! He says HERE!

Thank you...I feel a little lighter now...

- See original line up show (as many members as possible)

- Tell Axl everything...

- Find the person who pulled Axl's hair at the Ritz Live Show and rip every hair out of their head

Not just a GNR bucket list, my bucket list period...I'd die happy