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Steven Adler & Buckethead

However, Steven Adler isn't a realistic option at this point in time in regards to touring.

I think it'd be interesting to have a Buckethead/Slash guitar combo, two incredible guitarists in the same band!

1 hour ago, wasted said:

Definitely has that sound to some of the vocals. That's why I thought ITW was a single, maybe the only song with crossover potential. It seemed sort like an autotune RNB vibe song. 

Is auto tune something artists hide or is it just something common? In pop world it seems de rigueur. Every other song has comical robot vocals. 

But what songs on CD are autotune, Shackler's seems processed or something. But's more Korn production. The whole compressed productiion make the vocals less rock. 

It really depends on the kind of artist. Some bands/artists use auto - tune as an artistic option, some bands/artists use auto - tune to hide their lack of talent.

CD songs that have auto - tune: Street Of Dreams, Scraped, If The World and possibly Shackler's Revenge.

2 minutes ago, wasted said:

I just think someone like Axl who likes to be seen as real, isn't going to be lip synching much. I'm not really sure if I'm against auto-tune, but in rock would seem strange. If the World is inhumanly high on helium though. I read Axl did Sorry line by line. So now we know why CD took so long. 

Oh, I don't think Axl is lip - syncing. However, there are a few songs on CD where the auto - tune is palpable. You also have to consider that those tracks had auto - tune added to them probably in the early 2000's, back then auto - tune didn't have the same stigma that surrounds it now.

1 hour ago, wasted said:

True, I've heard stories like that too. Kiss might be one for their reunion record?

 

 

Yeah, "reunion record". That album was just Gene and Paul with session musicians. 

I've had a couple of bands that I've worked with pull those kinds of stunts on former band members and it's always deplorable, but I like getting paid. I'd rather go along with the action instead of potentially having the band work with another producer/audio engineer and have my months of work go down the drain.

40 minutes ago, wasted said:

There's no auto-tune production credits in the CD booklet. I think Beavan produced most of the vocals and he might have used NIN and MM production techniques which captured Axl's vocals cleaner or higher than Clink. 

I just looked at the vinyl copy I have of "Chinese Democracy" and that's true, however, just because something is not credited does not mean it wasn't used.

I've worked with bands in the past that replaced key members half way during the recording process, and instead of the band crediting the previous members contributions they choose to credit the current member that didn't contribute anything! 

Bands/Artists don't have to be completely honest when issuing credits, and many times they aren't honest.

1 minute ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

I'm on the fence on this one. Some parts you can make that argument but we also have to remember that the vocals in the specific video do just have effects from the artist isolating the vocal tracks. Any of you alumni or major CD fans on this forum have a definite answer?

I'm an audio engineer by profession, I know auto - tune/pitch correction/melodyne when I hear it. 

None of the other tracks suffer from auto - tune use to the same extant that this song does, however, "Scraped" has some pretty horendous vocal editing. 

13 minutes ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

What bleep do you mean? I'm not denying but if someone can show me a Timecode with a video that would be great. As for Street of Dreams, I don't believe any auto tune was used. 

1:37

The vocals on "Street Of Dreams" most certainly do have auto - tune on the effects chain, if you doubt me listen to this video.

3:00 and on is where the auto - tune is especially apparent

I don't need a vinyl box set of already released material.

As a Guns N' Roses fan what I want is new material.

Although, I do think a "Chinese Democracy" boxset would be interesting! I would love if they did something akin to the "Let It Be...Naked" project, some of the overdubs and mixing decisions on the released version of "Chinese Democracy" make me scratch my head sometimes. Why out of all the takes Axl must've done for the vocals of "Sorry" did he pick the take with the faux Jamaican accent? Why is there a random saloon piano in "Catcher in the Rye"? Why is there an audible bleep in "Chinese Democracy"? Why is there auto - tune on "Street Of Dreams"? I could go on and on, I love the album, it could be better though.

Meh. 80s/90s Axl actually wrote good music.

Sweet Child O' Mine would have an orchestral backing ala "Beth".

8 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

I prefer Appetite yet I wouldn't say I unduly prefer songs about ''sex, drugs, and rock n' roll' although admittedly Guns were never my first port of call for lyrics (I always concentrated on the guitars when I was growing up). And you cannot use this seeing as some of GN'R's dumbest lyrics are on Illusion, case in point 'Back off Bitch', 'Shotgun Blues', and 'Get in the Ring' and Chinese has 'Sorry' which is basically the sequel to 'Get in the Ring' and equally to that song in its childishness.  Heck, much of Illusions was written before Appetite was recorded so there is not even a historic progression here.

'The Garden' is about going to brothels!

'Pretty Tied Up' is about kinky sex with some bondage woman (alongside some pithy Stradlin lyrics about the decline of the band)!

'Bad Obsession' is about taking drugs!

The list goes on...

The way you are acting it is as if Guns lyrically advanced from Appetite's 'sex, drugs and RNR' to Dylan, Lennon or Leonard Cohen standards of lyrical complexity with Illusion!!

That's aside from the point.

Appetite doesn't have a song like Coma, or Estranged, or Civil War.

Again, I'm not saying that the whole "Sex, drugs and rock n' roll" cliche is bad, some of my favorite songs have lyrics with that as a subject matter. Just that UYI and Chinese will largely appeal to a different listening audience.

13 minutes ago, Kasanova King said:

As in your original post.  You asked what was the best GN'R album is.  This isn't a thread about your opinion about what the best GN'R album is.  It's a thread where you asked other members what the best GN'R album is. 

 

I stated what it was and the vast majority of the rock world probably agrees with me.  You disagreed and went on about why you think Illusions was the best album....when you've already stated why in several other posts in this thread.

 

If you want this thread to be about what you think the best GN'R album is then you should retitle the thread something like "I think Use Your Illusions are the best GN'R albums" and have a discussion about it.

 You don't need to answer everyone's post who doesn't agree with you because that's not what the topic of this thread states.

Just my 2 cents but do as you wish..lol.

 

 

 

This thread is ultimately subjective. There is no objective greatest GN'R album, if a person likes AFD and that more sleazy hard rock style they are going to like that album.

If a person likes more progressive songwriting, and songs that go beyond the whole "Sex, drugs, and Rock N' Roll" cliche they are going to prefer UYI and In some cases Chinese Democracy.

Also, I've never heard OP be used to mean "original post" in every forum I've ever been in it stands for original poster.

I've only answered two posts out of the 46 posts in this thread, one because someone was claiming their opinion was fact, and one also claming their opinion was fact. It's your fault for not understanding the point of this thread, I clearly prefaced this thread with "What is in your OPINION the best Guns N' Roses album?".

31 minutes ago, tsinindy said:

And that's why I said what I said originally

Duly noted.

8 minutes ago, Kasanova King said:

lol

 

I was responding to the OP, not your opinion buddy.  And I'd bet most fans would agree with me more so than you....so moot point.

 

 

I'm the OP bud.

6 minutes ago, tsinindy said:

But the question isn't your "favorite" it is literally "best".  Those are and/or can be two different things

In my case it does mean the same. I think that the best GN'R albums are the Use Your Illusion albums. AFD is a fantastic record but I think that the UYI are better.

37 minutes ago, Kasanova King said:

If you took the best 12-14 songs from both Illusions Albums and put them into 1 album then I would say it would be on par with AFD....but as a single album, AFD takes the cake.

 

AFD is a near perfect/perfect rock album...possibly one of the best in the history of rock n' roll.

 

I like all of the songs on the UYI albums besides My World, and Get In The Ring so I don't agree.

5 hours ago, tsinindy said:

Anyonr who doesn't feel AFD is not GnRs best album is just being a contrarian.

 

Eh. I disagree. The UYI albums (UYI I specifically) are my favorite GN'R albums and I'm not trying to be contrarian.

2 minutes ago, WhenYou'reTalkinToYourself said:

Can we consider the Illusions as a single album? This would make it easy for me. No? Why not?

That's why I allowed multiple choice answering. You can vote for both UYI I and UYI II. However, I did not want to make them both a singular choice because I personally prefer UYI I and some people will prefer UYI II

What is in your opinion the best GN'R Album?

1. Estranged

2. Locomotive

3. Don't Cry (Alt)

4. Civil War

5. You Could Be Mine 

6. Knockin On Heavens Door

7. Yesterdays

8. Pretty Tied Up

9. 14 Years

10. So Fine

11. Breakdown

12. Get In The Ring

13. Shotgun Blues

14. My World

1. Coma

2. November Rain

3. Don't Cry

4. Double Talkin Jive

5. Perfect Crime

6. Don't Damn Me

7. Right Next Door To Hell

8. The Garden

9. Back Off Bitch

10. Live And Let Die

11. Dead Horse

12. Bad Apples

13. Garden of Eden

14. Bad Obsession

15. Dust N' Bones

16. You Ain't The First

1. Civil War

2. It's So Easy

3. Coma

4. Estranged

5. Nightrain

6. Out Ta Get Me

7. Locomotive

8. Double Talkin Jive

9. The Garden

10. Don't Cry

11. There Was A Time

12. Catcher In The Rye

13. Rocket Queen

14. Paradise City

15. November Rain

1. Patience

2. Used To Love Her

3. One In A Million

4. You're Crazy (I prefer the AFD version)

5. Move To the City

6. Reckless Life

7. Mama Kin

8. Nice Boys

Meh. I'd rate the album a 6/10 at best. I honestly think the band sounded their best on Appetite for Destruction and that performance is only seconded by their sound on the Use Your Illusion albums.

The guitars on The Spaghetti Incident sound a tiny bit more crispier and not so "produced" sounding like the guitars on Use Your Illusion but I'm not going to sit here and act like it's some monumental difference.

Matt Sorum sounds a little more human and less like a programmed machine in his drum performances on this record, but then again I've never been a fan of Sorum.

The songs themselves aren't fantastic but they aren't putrid dog shit either. Since I Don't Have You is an odd choice for an opener of a Punk covers album but I digress.

New Rose is great, Down On the Farm is passable, Human Being is my favorite song on this record, Raw Power is passable, could do without the jangly saloon piano, Ain't It Fun is great, Buick Makane/Big Dumb Sex is a Big Dumb Song, Hair Of The Dog is great, Attitude is great, Black Leather is passable, You Can't Put Your Arms Around A Memory is pretty good, I Don't Care About You/Look At Your Game Girl is right behind Human Being as my favorite song.

All in all this album is a 6/10 at best, this album is in my opinion the weakest of all the albums released by the '86 - 95' incarnation of the band. 

Chinese Democracy is fine as is, I want new material.