On 15/10/2016 at 11:45 PM, Tom-Ass said:

It would be awesome if she didn't show up for the South American leg of the tour..

Tom: what´s your problem with Melissa?  I live in South America and I´m going to be thrilled to watch the band ( including her). Counting the days...

1 hour ago, Billsfan said:

Pretty clear pitman is only suing because he's out of the band now. Had he sued while he was in he would have been fired. 

Im not exactly sure what led to pitman being out of GNR but it seems clear he thought he was more important than he was. Even after some Richard fortus Facebook comments, it's pretty clear he and the band didn't see eye to eye. Hopefully we get the full story.

Cant say I miss pitman, but he should be paid for all the time he did in GNR. 

Which Richard Fortus facebook comments?? I missed something..

11 minutes ago, DIST said:

But but..how can Axl be broke after releasing the most successful album ever Chinese Democracy??? 

Run back to Slashy for dough..

Karma is a biAtch!!  

I don´t get your sarcasm, the CD did well considering a lot of factors, including the streaming services, piracy, music crisis,etc. Selling millons of CD´s is not bad in today´s world. Was not a success like other Cd´s but the problem here was the cost (too high). The cd had great critics ,  

The singers and bands don´t come out music for all that shi* , they prefer touring.

11 minutes ago, Ota said:

  I think you are right. Maybe I saw her on one of the video in Buffalo. From 1.25 to 1.45 behind Axl.

 

 

 

Are you sure? I don´t see any woman behind Axl (at 1.25 - 1.45) 

2 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I'm intrigued myself. 

Stupid paparazzi never get a good shot when you need. 

Is Sasha, look at the height and the hair. 

7 minutes ago, Andy14 said:

There were models but with big lemons and overweight

On 12/9/2016 at 7:09 PM, killuridols said:

Her painting is shite and was thrown there just like when Axl got Shannon a job at the Cathouse

He  thanked SASHA. He thanked SASHA!!! hahhahahha. Look, she is part of his life. 

28 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

 Omg...Axls bag 

hahhaha nop nop ,. Is Sasha´s bag.

32 minutes ago, maxpax said:

Was Team Brazil responsible for Axl's financial problems? There were rumors that Axl had a lot of property costs. Houses/Apartments for Kat, Fernando, Vanessa, etc? But I expected Axl in the 100mio $ league.

WAIT Axl bought a house/apartment for Kat?? She is not his girfriend or relative..only a employee...Really strange. Fernando and Vanessa are like his siblings, I understand but not at all because they get a high percentage for the management of the band.

35 minutes ago, stella said:

I agree with this, I have little patience for people who stiff their employees - but I can't honestly imagine that this one is true. If it were, wouldn't we have heard from other band members? Why would Pitman have continued to work with Axl for many more years if he hadn't been paid? And wouldn't any IOUS, etc. have come from management and not Axl directly?

There's actually a statute of limitations on enforcing contract terms. In California, you only have four years to sue if a written contract is broken and two years to sue if an verbal agreement is broken. Why would he have waited until now to sue? http://www.courts.ca.gov/9618.htm  It's a little interesting that this story broke right after the announcements of how much money the NITL tour made.

And Axl's reputation has always been that regardless of whatever else he does, he makes sure people get paid on time.

Yeah Axl has the reputation of being a generous and loyal guy. I don´t believe in this legal bullshit. And if this guy says the truth maybe is a management issue, or Pitman bitterness for the "nostalgia tour"  success.

17 minutes ago, Modano09 said:

I defend Axl on basically everything but if the guy wasn't paid, he wasn't paid, it doesn't matter if you think he's a tool or not. I know people will just say he's being spiteful but if he was on good terms with Axl and in the band he'd be more likely to let the money slide and keep on waiting for it than he would be now that he's been turfed. 

 

Yeah but what surprise me a lot is he waited 4 or 5 years to sue..Why didn`t he demand  before? It is weird. If the band wasn`t pay him ok. Anyhow, I think is the management  of GNR the responsible, I guess. 

8 minutes ago, maxpax said:

So...pitman earned 163k in 2011? 

Does Axl really had financial problems back then? Its not the first time I read about it, but it sounds weird, cause he never went nuts with his money...except the 14 mio $ for CD (which makes the album even more bad)

If Axl had financial problems what can we (the other mortals) expect? They should (including Axl) sue the TB haha.

TMZ comments are so digusting 

Is Pitman an Engineer? 

Very strange this demand. He waited 4 years to sue him?

Didn´t he work with Axl until a couple of months ago? 

For me, he request for attention,maybe he wants to come back.

12 minutes ago, -W.A.R- said:

you got me before i edited

i had a slow moment that i quickly realized there was no way they making that much EACH but rather they were making 3m total 

 

Ok Ok 

7 minutes ago, -W.A.R- said:

offering Izzy 5 figures is a disgrace

if Axl/Duff/Izzy are making 3m per show then Izzy should at a minimum offered 1m per.

but im over it at this point though 

I`m sorry boy, what are you smoking?  Slash , Duff and Axl are not making 3 m per show individually..is between the three, and not forget Axl has to pay the other musicians.

Do you honestly think that Izzy (who is not in the band anymore) deserves make 1 millon for one or two songs???

If this information is correct, he was offered more 5 figures for one or two songs, is a lotttt of money . (I`m not complaining, just saying).

My god, how many people are working in the band?   . Huges costs, it seams. For me is clear there were not changes in the management thing. Beta and her family manages the band, for what we have seen of stories about Fernando telling people if they can access or not, and other things. In my opinion, Duff and Slash have their managers because they are like islands associates for the money thing.

If it were changes in the management, probably they`d hire someone else (I`m talking about D & S)., but the TB continues in the map.

Totally disgusting what Gene Simmons said, and the idiots who agree with him

Maybe he is so jealous of him, I guess.

Yes, they seem happy together (with Meegan).

2 hours ago, Blackstar said:

@BOSSY78, I found the 1992/1993 contract on the other forum and read it (until now I had read only the two pages that can be found in Chinese Whispers). It may not be related to this tour, because we don't know the form of the current entity, if it's a reconstruction of the 1992 partnership or something new (my assumption is that Slash and Duff have become partners in or with the band Axl formed after quitting in 1995), but it's an interesting read if someone wants to know about this stuff.

There is nothing in the contract about Izzy selling his share. It is known that he sold it, but there's no mention of it in the document, apparently because there was a separate arrangement.

From what I understand:

- The first partnership was established when the band got signed by Geffen, with Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff and Steven being equal partners with 20% each (this is interesting, because, based on Slash's book, I thought, as many others, that Axl had 25% and Steven 15%).

- Steven was demoted to an employee before been fired in March 1990, and the partnership reformed as a partnership of 4 equal members. Izzy quit that reformed first partnership.

- The new partnership of Axl, Slash and Duff, established with the 1992 contract, was effective in retrospect from the day after Izzy quit (Sept. 10 1991 according to the document). From that day to the day the contract was signed, the profits were considered as having been split equally between the 3. From the day of the signature, the shares would be 36 1/3 Axl, 33 1/3 Slash, 30 1/3 Duff. Those shares included profits from record selling, touring revenues, merchandising profits and 'miscellaneous' revenues. The publishing profits would be divided in respect to songwriting and performing credits.

- If a partner quit or was expelled from the partnership, he would have to sell his share equally to the other partners. This wouldn't apply to Izzy, because he wasn't a member of the new partnership (but probably there was a similar prediction in the first partnership contract).

- According to the contract, Izzy and Steven would continue to receive their share (20%) from the "old records profits" (meaning AFD and Lies, which were recorded and released during the first partnership). Izzy would also have to receive (it isn't mentioned, but it can be assumed) his 25% share for the shows of the Illusion tour that took place the time he was an equal member of the first partnership (probably that was the money he was owed).

- The Illusions were released after the date the new partnership of the 3 was effective. This means that Izzy would receive only publishing profits from them.

- All the decisions regarding the management of the band should have the signatures of Axl and Slash. If there was disagreement between them, Duff would be involved in the decision making and a majority of 2 would be needed. A unanimous vote of the 3 would be needed in the case of accepting another person as partner. In the case of expulsion of a partner, the signatures of the other 2 would be needed.

- There were predictions of what would happen if a partner died or was disabled due to health problems.

- If 2 of the partners quit, it would be obligatory for the partnership to dissolve, liquidate its assets and split the profit equally to the 3 partners.

- The infamous clause which granted Axl the name in case he quit or was expelled was probably a later 1993 addition (according to the Chinese Whispers info).

This is old. There are other articles in the same internet site that said the things changed in 1996, axl owned the name, etc. Said for the same Slash.
 

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@DOUBLE TALKIN JIVE

the craziest thing of this whole thing is how axl feels that the piece of shit that the CD was such a monumental masterpiece and that anyone who wasn't involved sort of plays second fiddle whereas all of the best HITS yes best HITS were written by none other mr straddlin

 

The Cd was acclaimed for several critics (press articles) and so many people bought the material. (If you don´t like it is other thing).

The HITS HITS were written by Axl. "November rain" is maybe the more successful song of the band (critical - acclaimed and has more than 650 k of views on youtube). Other hit: "Sweet child of mine" was written by Axl too,-with Izzys collaboration but was a Axl story- "Coma" was written by Axl, "Estranged" was written by axl, "Don´t cry" was written by Axl with collaboration, "You could be mine" were written by the two (Izzy and Axl)  ..etc.

You are overestimating Izzy a bit.

18 hours ago, Slash787 said:

I know what you are trying to say and from a business point of view, you are somewhat correct, this is how things work now days and yeah the 3 of them have taken this decision and not only Axl. 

Well I´m referring about the money because would affect Duff and Slash percentage, I´m still thinking that Axl and the TB (as manager of the band) have the control of the brand and make the decisions, and for what happened in court the last years.

21 hours ago, BOSSY78 said:

The problem here is Axl,Slash and Duff have agreed to their terms, why dispute them?

I don't care if you were a fan of GnR once Slash left or not.The name was derived from Axl Rose and Traci Guns not any other member. He had a right to keep that name. Much as Slash told Steven the name he came up with and Steven wanted to use after he was fired for his new band was his.

You are right.

I thought Izzy was a co-founder.

--

Guns N' Roses (1985)

In 1985 Tracii and Axl Rose decided to merge their groups L.A. Guns and Hollywood Rose to form a new group. Rose named the band Guns N' Roses, combining the two names of the bands. The lineup featured Axl Rose on vocals, Tracii on lead guitar, Izzy Stradlin on rhythm guitar, Ole Beich on bass and Rob Gardner on drums.^[12] Tracii had been trying to recruit Rose and Stradlin into a group before. However, Tracii, as well as the other former L.A. Guns members Ole Beich and Rob Gardner, departed the group and were replaced by Slash, Duff McKagan and Steven Adler.^[13]

--

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracii_Guns

4 hours ago, IncitingChaos said:

he was flawless in Los Angeles in 06...YCBM, SCOM, November Rain were all perfect, his voice was studio good

I absolutely love Richard´s movments at 44.25 -44.39

2006 was a great year, Axl was healthy and with great energy. I find it relly amusing to re-watch this vids

11 hours ago, Slash787 said:

Well he even said that the new band are working hard than ever and Duff likes to take challenges, what challenge? A Challenge to play his own bass lines? 

Really sometimes Axl is very delusional. Yeah they were working very hard by not having freedom to do anything and just covering songs from the past 25 years. 

Izzy never saw Axl's solo band as Guns N' Roses. He did those guest shows for fun and yeah for the money, even Duff din't see that as Guns N' Roses. 

So If Izzy is asking for equal money in his own band, then its nothing wrong. 

Money is just a part of life, not everything in life. 

Buddy you should understand is not Izzys band anymore. He is the co-founder- along with Axl -and brought great collaborations but he sold his part (or quit) twenty years ago according with several articles. Is like a founder of a magazine or a clothe´s brand that sold: That person is not the owner anymore. In this case, the same. Axl wanted the involvement of Izzy (his friend) and gave him a lot of money for his guest spot few years ago. but now that Slash and Duff are involved too, maybe they´ve decided not share equally with Izzy.  On twitter he said: "they..."

For the songs he contribuited , earns the royalties. Simple as that.

2 hours ago, pacu44 said:

14 original songs since 1991,,, and most of it written by others... Yeah, Axl needs to rest with all that hard work...

 

Izzy 122 original songs since 1991 with a few more in the oven... Axl clearly producing more than Izzy, that's that new fangled common core edumacation u have there is in impressive...

Izzy made 11 Cd´s (122 songs) but without repercussion. Few people know the material (I´m  talking about the casual, not hardcore fanbase). In other hand, Axl maybe was a little lazzy in these period but don´t forget all his health issues. Anyhow, he always is in the spotlight (with or without new material) because is a rock star.

Believe it or not,  I had been reading messages on Periscope of people thought that Richard was Izzy, so no many people know Izzy as independent celebrity, like Axl or Slash.

 All the CD songs were written by Axl (all the lyrics, there are songs that the melody or the music had the colaboration of other musicians) but with Izzy happens the same, he didn´t write all the songs solely.

21 minutes ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:

i bet he said he was in 100% for all shows but his role in the band was reduced due to axl's loyalty towards fortus and then was delegated to guest spots where he would be receiving a little bit more than what he had been making for his previous spots with axl 

funny when axl really needed izzy to establish some sort of credibility with his nuguns, izzy was there in spades and sang well on 14 years etc 

and now the tables are reversed and axl didn't find a way to make it work 

 

Izzy was there for the BIG money Axl gave him, not for loyalty.  Izzy´s motivation is the $$$$$$$$, takes first place for what have shown. Now Axl is in another position, has to share with Slash and Duff.

Adler would perform a guest spot for free, that´s the difference with Izzy.

I´m glad for you boys

Great pics , thank for share it with us.

Yeah thanks God, Axl is getting all the praise he deserves, for being so talented and a nice guy .

http://www.freep.com/story/entertainment/music/brian-mccollum/2016/09/10/acdc-review-palace-detroit-axl-rose/90178846/

AC/DC makes rock 'n' roll thunder with an impressive Axl Rose

Brian McCollum, Detroit Free Press Pop Music Critic 10:01 a.m. EDT September 10, 2016

(Photo: Tim Galloway/Special for DFP)

We knew the rhythm section would be steady and unflinching. We knew Angus Young would be electrifying. We knew the set list would be loaded with the classics.

So just one question loomed going into Friday night’s AC/DC show: How was Axl Rose going to sound?

The verdict, after an exhilarating 2½ hours at the Palace of Auburn Hills: simply spectacular.

Stepping in for the sidelined Brian Johnson, the Guns N’ Roses vocalist delivered a vigorous, note-perfect performance and a show of modesty that seemed to recognize his place in the scheme of it all.

Rose’s enlistment hasn’t been without controversy. Called into duty when Johnson stepped away because of hearing damage — forcing postponement of this Palace show in March — Rose has provoked a fair bit of blowback from skeptical AC/DC purists.

That’s understandable; rock ‘n’ roll allegiances run deep. But as evidenced Friday night, the reality is that there’s a power and robustness in Rose’s voice long missing from Johnson’s live performances — and it helped fortify one of the strongest AC/DC shows metro Detroit has seen in some time.

This was the second Detroit visit on the band’s Rock or Bust Tour, following a jam-packed Ford Field show one year ago this week. While Friday didn’t bring the scope and spectacle of that stadium bash — there were plenty of empty seats amid a Palace crowd that numbered maybe 10,000 — it was certifiably a superior concert experience.

The set lists were similar, save for a handful of intriguing new additions from the band’s Bon Scott era, with the built-in elasticity of Rose’s voice making a solid fit. These were tunes that hadn’t been heard at a Detroit AC/DC concert in years, even decades: “Rock ‘n’ Roll Damnation,” “If You Want Blood (You’ve Got It),” “Live Wire” and “Riff Raff,” with the last two providing some of the night’s most inspired moments.

Rose, on break from GNR’s reunion tour, had a tricky needle to thread: make it sound like AC/DC without overdoing the Axl Rose, but sound enough like Axl Rose not to overdo the mimicry. With lyrics scrolling on monitors at the foot of the stage as a safety net, he managed to pull it off, his voice holding up for the duration of a marathon show where only the bridge of “Hell’s Bells” seemed to test the top of his range.

In a show of respect to the audience and, most of all, to the musicians he’d joined onstage, he kept a humble approach. Rose may be subbing as a singer, but clearly not as a front man. He was satisfied to stand back for much of the night, making only occasional journeys up the stage runway and ensuring the attention sat squarely on Young.

And rightfully so: At 61, the schoolboy-outfitted guitarist is still an an indefatigable sparkplug and the heart of the whole enterprise, scampering and duck-walking across the stage while serving up fiery fretboard heroics on epics like “Whole Lotta Rosie” and “Let There Be Rock.” He seemed as invested as ever as he stood astride the wall of Marshall amps on Friday, cranking out his lengthy improvised solo to end the regular set.

For a seasoned audience that showed up to indulge in a familiar rock ritual, the AC/DC concert trademarks were intact. There were the flames and smoke accompanying “Highway to Hell,” the swinging overhead bell on “Hell’s Bells,” the booming cannons of the show-closing “For Those About to Rock (We Salute You).”

There are just four Rock or Bust shows to go, and the band's future is uncertain. Bassist Cliff Williams has announced his retirement, Malcolm Young is already out because of dementia, and Phil Rudd is mired in ongoing legal troubles. Group founder Young will be the last man standing once this tour wraps up Sept. 20 in Philadelphia,

So the world is dealing with a stitched-together AC/DC at this point, and there’s no telling if this is the end of the road for one of the towering names in the annals of hard rock. If that does turn out to be the case, let the record show: AC/DC certainly didn't limp across the finish line.

Contact Brian McCollum: 313-223-4450 or bmccollum@freepress.com.

On 8/9/2016 at 3:09 AM, BorderlineCrazy said:

I just hope these numbers aren't real.

I mean, forget about Izzy for a second. Fn' Axl pushed everyone away, fucked up GNR's legacy and ruined his own career. Then Slash comes back, makes him relevant again and at the same time accepts to get half of what Axl gets? The poor victim's getting everything his way and all thanks to the evil cancer...

What are you talking about?

Slash comes back for his own benefit, he realized that only in GNR -along with Axl -gonna be RELEVANT in world´s music, again. Come on, do you think he was successful at 2 -5 K shows attendance with Myles? haha . well. And for the percentage , don´t forget Axl has to pay all the structure, employees,etc because he had/has the control of the brand. They (Slash-Duff) sued him years ago (for licensee,etc) and lost in Court.

http://www.alternativenation.net/guns-n-roses-axl-rose-hired-slash-duff-mckagan/

Stop with the cancer thing. Slsh said shitty things on Axl too, now they are in peace..that´s what matters.

1 hour ago, Martin Riggs said:

I'm not gonna speculate on Duff, but I'm quite certain Slash wouldn't of signed up unless him and Axl are basically making the same. He had all the leverage. Just him being back in GN'R is what caused all of this hype. They're selling out stadiums because he's back. Before he returned Axl was a Vegas act and then many members of his band quit. This is high level negotiations that all their people were doing and leverage is king.

It should be totally unfair if Slash -after quit the band more than twenty years ago- makes the same as Axl.

I think the percentage that the guy said pages back is accurate. 50% Axl , 50% between Duff and Slash. If you ask me, is too much what obtain the guys because Axl is the co-founder (along with Izzy), the frontman, stellar songwriter (contribuited in almost all the songs) lead singer, the boss of the other musicians (employees) owns Guns N Roses name and kept the band´s name alive ...while the other guys leave so many years ago. He is the soul of the band.

He (with GNR) sold-out stadiums few years ago with the other musicians (before the reunion) in south america for example, believe it or not.

2 hours ago, GNR1975 said:

As soon as the line-up for this tour was announced , anyone with a grain of common sense knew exactly what was happening. I was amazed that people actually thought that Izzy wasn't included because he did not want to do a big tour, or that Adler wasn't up to it. That was  bullshit right from the start....... It was always about the $.

As much as we love him, I think that we all accept that Axl can be a bit of a dick. He wanted to do a cash grab tour, which is fine, but he knew that it would never work with the complete nonentities he's been touring with for god knows how long. He had to get at least some of the original band back for those $ to roll in. Thing is, being a bit of a dick, he wanted most of those $ for himself. He wanted to get the AFD members back, but keep the  employer arrangement he had with the likes of Buckethead! Izzy probably thought it would be cool to get the band back together, but then realised that Axl was trying to fuck him over and said..... "No thanks"! Slash and Duff on the other hand have excepted Axl as their boss, or perhaps have taken a junior partner type role.

 

On the one hand I admire Izzy for telling Axl to shove it up his arse, because as we know, Izzy is a cool guy. A guy with integrity, who did not say a word about the reasons he wasn't on the tour. He just moved on in his own quiet way. Axl then opened his fat mouth and started talking shit, so Izzy had to speak the truth, which he has. However, on the other hand, I'm glad that Slash and Duff have agreed to bend over and take it up the cornhole from Axl, because if they didn't....... we would not have these shows.

Wow !  Don´t love him that much

" we all accept" ??¿- you should talk for yourself !!!!! And if this is a cash grab tour it is for the other guys involved too: Slash , Duff..

1 hour ago, DieselDaisy said:

''Patience'' is more Stradlin - Rose's input is minimal

how do you know that? 

The motivation for the track is generally accepted to be the troublesome relationship between Axl Rose and his now ex-wife Erin Everly, though this was never stated in the album or interviews. According to bass guitarist Duff McKagan, "Axl came up with a great lyric, seemingly out of nowhere, that of course became the story and melody of that song". (7) 

Duff is a better source than you, I guess.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patience_(Guns_N%27_Roses_song)

1 hour ago, bacardimayne said:

Founding member and primary songwriter excluded from reunion tour because they didn't want to pay him as much as the bass player.

The most pathetic revelation in the history of Guns N' Roses.

You mean co-founding member and the second best songwriter (after Axl).

I agree with other poster here: they won´t fire Richard (he has been for 14 years now),probably they offered Izzy  a small rol (and in consequence, smaller money).

He was important to the band (no doubt) but the guy had no commitment with the band at all and is very volatile. I understand their decision (if this tweet was real).